@@Lennox032 over the last year has been an hour or more husband and wife show with a bit of tech thrown in.. 🙄🙁 Keep that for your patrons.. These comparisons are now back again on free RUclips and what I originally tuned in for years ago. 🙏 👍
I just absolutely love this guy, so clear and always has real-world knowledge to help illustrate benchmarks. used to watch byte-size tech when trying to brush up on my knowledge for a new build, and was worried when I saw you guys last uploaded 3 months ago! glad I finally found your main channel. Keep it up, awesome work!
Some of the most practical and meaningful content when it comes to real world use. No one ever talks about how CPU’s or GPU’s will perform with background tasks running. Also stressing if you are using the system for work is another good point. Reviews tend to lead hard towards gaming, fps is king. At this point in time however it’s really not that simple. Many folks are using these machines as work horses. Whether that’s fair or not is a different question. As always thanks for the measured review and comparison. Which ever platform new adopters chose, good luck 🍀
I am agree, I am working in that business, video editing area. And the editors in my office need this kind of power. They still gaming but only occasionally, and still only in 1080p 75hz lol
I may sound combative in my other comments, but for this one, I just want to thank you for taking the time to review these products and share your opinions. Thanks, Tech!
I am holding on to my i9 10900k and rtx 3090 no need to upgrade at this time.i look forward to the next video where you will compare 8th 9th and 10th gen cpus against the 13900k. thank you for another great tech video..
i9 10900K is still a monster CPU especially with a 3090. You won't need to upgrade until maybe 15th or 16th gen. Plus, any 9th gen CPU or above is compatible with Windows 11.
first of all thanks a lot. 2:55 I dont know where you live, but where I Iive, temps are high, like the current temp as of now is 27.3 C, and my 12700K's temps are around 70-80 c degrees and I have a 360 AIO(Lian li galahad360). When under full load, it reaches 81 degrees (all cores at max) and I'm doing research so thats not some artificial benchmark stuff. A month ago, when it was much hotter, around 30~33 c degrees (and very humid like 80+ humidity), it easily hit 94/95 c degrees. I had to buy an air conditioner to keep my rig cool 24/7. Were I to use an air cooler like noctua or Assasin3, I'm sure I couldnt do anything unless I had my ac turned on all the time. So imho the ambient temp must always be mentioned so the user can know what to expect for him/herself. Edit: updated the timestamp
Air conditioning is a thing :) If you don't have AC, well... I'll be honest, I don't take that into account. I figure anyone who is buying this stuff has AC. But that's me.
Man, I just found your channel and just love it. Watched every minute of the video. The way you present information so clearly and informatively is better and down to earth in practicality. Much better presentation than even GN or LTT. Awesome work, will definitely keep up with you in the future.
I took your advice during the great shortage, I'm glad I can skip a gen or two but these new releases are making me all giddy Can't wait to see what's next!
I remember watching your videos when i built my first PC, which was when you first started your channel, around 2k subs. I said to myself then, that you so underrated. Its good to see now, years later when I am looking to upgrade and build a new system. That you're still here, and still providing the best in class videos on the platform, and that your sub count has grown so much. GG WP👍
The best 13900K overview (regarding power usage) I've seen is done by PC World. Gordon and Adam shows the power usage over time, and in various light or heavy workloads, also with different power limits. The interesting part is that if you use the default intel PL of 253W, there isn't a huge difference compared to going fully unlimited. There's even a decent drop in power usage and temperature if you limit it to something like 205W. And it shows during normal usage, the 13900K sips power less than the 7950X.
28:13 I don't think enough people have seen this part though it's very important. Many people tend to overblow their reaction if one recommends high end parts. But putting things perspective is key. Look at what your set up is right now, check your needs/budget and plan your upgrade path accordingly so no money is wasted. There is no shame in not buying "the best" if you get your moneys worth in mid range or even low end parts. At least, if prices aren't out of whack in comparison to their performance. (Looking at you, 7600x!)
I remember watching you since the 8770k, there's a good reason to keep watch your content. In my 7-Zip I get 66% less than the 13, with my puny i7 8770.
I went for the 7950X in the end despite the higher and frankly insane X670E cost. The 13900K CRUMBLES as soon as you prevent it from reaching its full wattage. The Ryzen will keep a little over 80% of its performance even when limited to 65W and the loss isn't even noticeable in daily tasks at 125/105W.
would you be interested in making a video about the cpu usage of DX11 or older and DX12 games and how disabling hyper-threading or using cpu affinity to limit the cores/threads used by games is a must in 2022 now that we have 8+ cores cpus available to everyone, it's sad to see supposedly "reference" reviewers and youtubers completely miss the point despite some showing abnormal cpu usage with an overlay but not noticing "it's weird" Linus from LTT actually noticed it while reviewing 3000 threadrippers saying "the game usage seems to jump to random cores which creates stuttering" but never went deeper or tried to fix it (that's what cpu affinity is for and anyone can do it with the task manager)
Late on this but after watching this I feel more confident about considering 13900k now then I had in the past. Cuz I kept on hearing nonstop how the 13900k was a power hungry little gremlin and that really turned me off from considering Intel but now it's back up on the table after having watched this, thank you, Tech
@saithetruth4722 Performance is on the top, but I will probably reduce E-core frequency for lower temps and power draw to about 2.2 GHz, they are not that usefull in gaming, maybe if I was streaming using obs in background :P
@saithetruth4722 Honestly, 64GB is overkill and you can't reach that high DDR5 speed like with 32GB (also using 2 sticks instead of 4 gives more stability)
Tech, when you mention having a clean test bench, are you eliminating as many processes running as possible, or leaving them as is with a clean install of Windows? You may have mentioned it before, I don't remember. Anyway, thanks for another great video.
I don't overkill it, but I do turn off Windows updates, make sure nothing active is running, and close everything in the task tray. We don't keep multiple game launchers open and reboot between them.
I managed to buy a 13700k for 400 at my local microcenter at 3.5% tax, I think that was a good deal because i was going there to buy the 13600k for 330.
There is a new customer promo code for -$25 off any processor there, I'm gonna use my sibling's phone number to get the 13700k for $375~ or you can get it for $355 if you also get a motherboard with it
I have a 420mm Corsair capellex aio and my temps spike up to 86 for a second and back down to the 50-60 range. I ordered a contact frame that should arrive tomorrow and should help with the temps
Finally someone saids true, only people see benchmarks and results at 100% used CPU. But in real life, how much times a tipycal person or normal user getting closed to that used 100%, really a few persons I think and how much time, few minutes or maximun 1hour. I loved your video.
hi, which controller manufacturer do you think is the safest and has a history that proves its reliability? Between Kioxia, WD, SK Hynix, Silicon Motion, InnoGrit and Phison?
Sir my question is these 4 cpu's have so much reserve performance left that has not been utilised but still we see difference in fps? How cpu provide so many frame rates from upgrading to a older gen to newer gen ? i9 12th gen to 13th gen knowing the fact that game is not utilising cpu's full potential! Is it the extra cores in i9 13th gen that fetch more framerates while still utilising 30% cpu usage Similar example for i5 12th gen to 13th gen I am asking this on the fact that you don't to many more cores for gaming
Tech Deals always deliver the most practical, reasonable, and meaningful review. I still remember the day when I watch your Zen 1 launch VDO, still the best and simply amazing. Thanks for mentioning power consumption and real-world gaming benchmark. Some people seem to think these CPUs take 300W all the time. Your gaming test is also realistic, both 7950X and 13900K are both great for gaming. The difference is minor, they are practically tied, just get the one we like. I am not a fan of the artificial unrealistic tests, says 500++ FPS CS:GO. Yes, we can see the difference but who is gonna buy 7950X or 13900K and RTX 4090 for that? for real? For me, Zen4 and Raptor Lake are both great, tie, at the top end. However, I agree with you that Raptor Lake wins the mainstream (i5 and i7). E-core is just too good to ignore and Zen4 platform cost is too expensive for a 6-8 core CPU in 2023. People can get Raptor Lake + Z690 + DDR4, the price difference covers the cost for another MB. For the top-end system, platform cost becomes less concern :)
what about temperatures in computing tasks meaning using 90% cpu time and all core load with 360mm aio it will throttle? and what is inside in that big box?🤔something juicy is hidden there i think😁 18A will be some type of nanosheet maybe but it´s incredibly hard to even imaginate how it will be made or even...will electron sometimes pass through transistor? this becoming a serious question anyway it will be interesting or maybe they can use light instead of electrons to reduce or get rid of chance particle pass through problem🤔🤷♂
I've been looking at upgrading my ryzen cpu but heard about the Windows 11 requirement for the i9. There are plenty of people out there running Windows 10 on i9-12900k processors apparently.
Planning a gaming rig, what would you guys change ? Any tips ? ➖CASE: Corsair Graphite Series 780T Black (using an old case that I already have for years, love the design) ➖MOBO: Still to be selected ➖Cooler: Noctua NH-U12A ♾ CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K ♾ LGA-1700 (Raptor Lake) • 36 MB • 24C/32T ➖RAM: DDR5 2x 32GB --> ???? MHz CL?? (I know, I know 64 gigs is overkill for gaming and even future proofing, but want it anyways) 🔛GPU: Sapphire RX 7900 XTX • (24GB) ➖NVMe: 2x 2TB Samsung 980 PRO (RAID-0) ➖PSU: Corsair HX1200 (already have the PSU from a previous system) 🌀OS: Windows 11 PRO (64 Bits)
I looked at the test bench specs section, but didn't see it. Did you bench Ryzen 7000 on Windows 10 or Windows 11? Brian from Tech Yes City had some bad 1% low stuttering with the 7950X about 2 mo ago and in wondering if you had issues at all with that. I don't recall you mentioning any, so was wondering what OS you tested Ryzen on.
I would highly consider the Ryzen platform more than intel. Simply because you will be able to upgrade later on. This fact was something I never considered until I bought a 5700x for $200 to upgrade my 2700x on a budget b450 and there was a substantial boost in performance.
So do you think i could just buy a noctua instead of AIO for the 13900k if I'm just gaming? I'm a little nervous about water leakage, never used them before.
I love Tech Deals, the benchmarks are realistic and trustable comparing to some other channels. If possible, could I suggest testing the motherboards-based performance? such as cheap microATX Z690m/Z790m vs. expensive ATX Z690/Z790? Cuz recently a lot of rumors about that the cheap micro-ATX Z690m/Z790m cannot sustain long-term high-performance 12900K/13900K under full loads, so we need to buy the expensive ones if we want to get max performance from 12900K/13900K. But is this true???
In general, motherboards don't really matter to performance, so long as you have enough power delivery and solid VRMs to prevent thermal limits. As for testing a bunch of them, I'm afraid I don't have the budget for that, the CPUs and GPUs are expensive as it is.
@@Zagaara i have a good micro-ATX case, it can only use micro-ATX z690m/z790m mobos. However, z690m/z790m does not have many options to choose from. I am just curious how z690m/z790m can handle full load of 12900k/13900k... btw, cheaper mobos really do not necessarily mean they are worse than more expensives one (not even the high end mobos), which has been benchmarked somewhere else already.
this was helpful yet im stil kinda stuck between 13900k or the 7950x im getting a pc build mainly for production and my friend whos doing it says the ryzen would be better for me but on online i get mixed reviews stl trying to take my time and figure it out
Great video! Something I’ve wondered if you have heard anyone with issues with xmp on the i9 13900k. Just upgraded with that, Strix z790e, 4 sticks of Corsair vengeance RGB CL36 6200. Systems boots normal, but ramcache isn’t reading the ram. If I try to use XMP 1 or 2, then I just go into a boot loop. So not sure if bios on new boards, XMP, drivers etc. Just wondering if any others with this issue on these new toys!
Intel 13th gen has stability issues compared to AMD 7000... Many people are having issues withemory timmings when using 4 dimms. It's a voltage issue it's recommended to use only 2dimm configs or wait for the issues to be addressed on BIOS updates. If I we're You Id send the RAM back and pay for a 2dimm memory kit.
What is better in my county 7900x is 750 euros and 7950x 1000 euros are 4 cores / 8 threads worth 250 euros? For gaming new games like new assasins creed, uncharted and more. I have 3400x1440 ultrawide and rtx 2060 i m wnaiting for rx7000 series (rx 7900)
You literally one of the best reviewers that there is. There's just no drama, it's about numbers and facts. Your delivery is just so matter of fact, to the point, and concise. I love your channel and always miss you when you're gone for a while.
Plus I FREAKIN love how you do benchmarks with GPUs. You use optimised settings instead of ultra so we can all see how the game actually runs in real time when we all adjust our settings. Ultra settings are also needed but everyone does those.. Thank you!!!
I think I come upgrade from I9 9900KF @5GHz all cores to new cpu+motherboard and memory next year normaly I dont need upgrade but Microsoft flight simulator with lot of installed scenery and aircraft its hard demand on hardwares like around KORD Chicago I whish hade litle more fps from 25-30 all set on Ultra @ 1440 with 3090TI to around 45fps hade be good, but question is new I9 13900KS or 7590X 3D then they maybe be released next year?
I recently bought an 5950x with motherboard and ECC ram. It seems that Ryzen 7000 series "normal" motherboards do not support ECC memory ? At least officially they don't say that.
Can I make a suggestion tech; Much like how you did with your stream background, incorporate a more friendly background for your normal videos too? Just something not so bright and white, maybe grey? 🙏
@@TechDeals Thanks for your replay, that particular question kept me from deciding on my upgrade from my trusted 8600k. You mentioned in your 7700X review that it feels like stuff happens faster in windows (at that point in time compared to alderlake and ryzen5000). Also jays two cents said the same thing about Zen4 - that he felt windows speeds he didnt feel before. I'm only upgrading every 3-5 years, so having SO much choice like right now makes it kinda difficult to decide :D your content is very helpful in coming to a conclusion for these topics, ty very much :)
Thanks, Still on 9th gen, eventually I will upgrade again. Also wondering about those 4090 connection plugs melting, might wait for AMD's offerings though I hear they could have that issue also.
If you're on 9900K, it really is time for an upgrade. But another year is an option. Depends on what you do with your PC, but I'm noticing my 9900K at home is slower than it used to be.
I'm a harsh critic and all reviewers and youtubers suffer my wrath because I know better than them while it's their job not mine they are "fake users" who only make "content" and say-show lots of wrong things, but I find it hard to criticize you, actually you are the most accurate reviewer of pc hardware I've seen this far congratulations this is the best well explained comparison made, I really hope your adobe premiere workstation will work as expected but I have doubts about 4 dimms ddr5 working properly read my other comment
The 5950x aged really well and i am keeping it, its a simple cpu without the bells and whistle such as the 3d cache that needs tweeking to make it run or e cores and p cores which causes some issues on some older games, just a pure 16 core cpu that still performs very well except in the single core which slightly falls behind
I just got the Ryzen 7900X, it is blazingly fast but I’m having so much instability issues, mostly due to memory, I think? Anyway, if I don’t figure it out ill be returning for an i9-12900K because that will be within the same budget at my local Micro Center
Hey Tech Deals, I own a 5800X3D and use it, as of this week, with a 7900 XTX - the performance is gloriuos! I play at 4k resolution and most games are fantastic and can hold the 120FPS for my 120Hz Monitor. But I have dips, sometimes for splitseconds into the 80s or even in the 70s(Witcher 3) or worse the 30s on Cyberpunk. I wonder, if money wouldn't matter - would an upgrade to a 13900k or maybe the new 7900X or 7900X3D CPUs be sensible/usefull? I also could overclock my Monitor to 144Hz so if the CPU would bring everything up, I could also go higher in Hz. I am just wondering, is this a stupid idea? Or would make a CPU Upgrade a noticable difference in 4K? Thanks, if you ever get to answer this!!! Love your videos!
@@TechDeals Wow, very fast answer! 🙂 Thank you very much! Alrighty then, I'll wait for your review of the new X3D-CPUs from AMD and then I'll ask my wallet 😅
It's great that you show performance gains compared to previous gen from both brands; however I think you should show previous gen products also when talking about power consumption.
Yeah I ask some questions about some upgrades I just seeing what your recommendations were at the moment I'm running a system with I-5 9600k and with a RTX 2070 want to see what your best recommendations for a upgraded
Thanks for the video. Would like to see a video where all the cpus are set to lets say 4.5 GHz then tested to see if it is the speed giving you the better performance ie ipc. I like the cpu cooler you use, non of these 360 coolers, that would only go on i9 or r9 cpus. A 360 cooler on a i5 or r5 is over kill and price to performance is not a good use of your money. The biggest reason I like your show is on screen display of info. This gives the viewer more info to make better purchases. This video was missing a lot of those. Still a good video with lots of info.
I've seen a couple benchmarks that OC the 13900k to all core 5.5ghz and get almost 40k points in r23 multicore. Is that true? how can the difference be that big from stock speeds ? Is that even possible on noctua d15 ?
It exceeds 40k in r23 actually with adequate cooling on stock. Most reviews thermal throttled. undervolting may allow the cpu to boost higher with less heat so that too can help exceed 40k r23.
@@Techsnowball very likely because he's using D15. Even the 7950x is likely thermal throttling too. These cpu will need at least 360aio. A Basic high flow Custom watercooling with soft tubes would be the best.
It’s not an oc. It out of the box clocks all cores to 5.5ghz. Pretty sure I heard in the video he used a air cooler on the cpu and that would be why performance results are under performing. Mine stock scored 40188 in r23. I did a quick oc on mine and it doesn’t go over 84c and scores 43045-43100 now. The 24c i9 is a bit much for a air cooler but it can certainly perform still.
Amazing video! Battlefield 2042 just released season 3 last week, and there seem to be significant increase in cpu performance not to mention striking improvement in gameplay resulting in resurgence of interest among gamers. Can you please compare recently released CPUs (ryzen and intel) in new BF2042 season 3? You did a great job last year. ( I would suggest using coop mode to eliminate variability in live multiplayer games and easier benchmarking). Thank you!
With less GPU power, the results will compress as the GPU becomes the limit. The idea here is to show what to expect over a 3-4 year life as future GPUs get installed.
@@TechDeals maybe instead of lower end gpus. Previous high end gpus if that makes sense. Just to show if you can push further by removing completely any bottleneck from the cpu. With expensive gpu prices, maybe a new cpu can make the gaming experience better
I got a i9 12900k it ran so hot I had to get an aio for it which I didn't want to and Now it runs pretty cool. I would suggest anyone thinking of buying these processors to get a decent aio with it because once you start encoding it starts to hit 90 to 100c, or when running rpcs3 while on noctua black heatsink.
One thing I'm really curious of is how they compare in the task manager utilization %. Of course different programs will utilize differently. It'd also be interesting if multitasking performance as well, though how and which programs to run is a bit of a tricky thing.
Comparing my Xeon E-5 2666 v3 to this 13th gen absolute monster really puts into perspective what competition between AMD and Intel did to the market, in 7 years we went from server-grade and ultra expensive to consumer grade and reasonable price, sure i bought my Xeon used but new it was over 2000 USD, still, AMD got me with their 3D V-Cache, i bid my time until they launch next year.
I've gotten a lot of value from this review. watched it like 4 times to get all the info and mull over the info. Thanks for the work, sir.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for the support!
Glad these comparison videos are back on free youtube..have been missed: hope there is more to come. :)
They have always been free!
@@Lennox032 over the last year has been an hour or more husband and wife show with a bit of tech thrown in.. 🙄🙁 Keep that for your patrons.. These comparisons are now back again on free RUclips and what I originally tuned in for years ago. 🙏 👍
So my i7 2600k is out of date and it’s time to upgrade. Thank You
Same one I have!
Microcenter got 12700k and Asus TUF mobo for 349 right now.
Yup, have the same cpu. Upgrading to 12700k this month.
I followed your advice on the 10850k (no regrets there), and I can't wait for the next generation and your 10850k upgrade guide... keep the good work
Exact same situation with me!
I just absolutely love this guy, so clear and always has real-world knowledge to help illustrate benchmarks. used to watch byte-size tech when trying to brush up on my knowledge for a new build, and was worried when I saw you guys last uploaded 3 months ago! glad I finally found your main channel. Keep it up, awesome work!
Some of the most practical and meaningful content when it comes to real world use.
No one ever talks about how CPU’s or GPU’s will perform with background tasks running.
Also stressing if you are using the system for work is another good point.
Reviews tend to lead hard towards gaming, fps is king.
At this point in time however it’s really not that simple. Many folks are using these machines as work horses. Whether that’s fair or not is a different question.
As always thanks for the measured review and comparison.
Which ever platform new adopters chose, good luck 🍀
I am agree, I am working in that business, video editing area. And the editors in my office need this kind of power. They still gaming but only occasionally, and still only in 1080p 75hz lol
Love your videos. I honestly gain so much insight about upgrade paths from your videos.
I may sound combative in my other comments, but for this one, I just want to thank you for taking the time to review these products and share your opinions. Thanks, Tech!
I am holding on to my i9 10900k and rtx 3090 no need to upgrade at this time.i look forward to the next video where you will compare 8th 9th and 10th gen cpus against the 13900k. thank you for another great tech video..
i9 10900K is still a monster CPU especially with a 3090. You won't need to upgrade until maybe 15th or 16th gen. Plus, any 9th gen CPU or above is compatible with Windows 11.
first of all thanks a lot.
2:55 I dont know where you live, but where I Iive, temps are high, like the current temp as of now is 27.3 C, and my 12700K's temps are around 70-80 c degrees and I have a 360 AIO(Lian li galahad360).
When under full load, it reaches 81 degrees (all cores at max) and I'm doing research so thats not some artificial benchmark stuff.
A month ago, when it was much hotter, around 30~33 c degrees (and very humid like 80+ humidity), it easily hit 94/95 c degrees.
I had to buy an air conditioner to keep my rig cool 24/7.
Were I to use an air cooler like noctua or Assasin3, I'm sure I couldnt do anything unless I had my ac turned on all the time.
So imho the ambient temp must always be mentioned so the user can know what to expect for him/herself.
Edit:
updated the timestamp
Air conditioning is a thing :)
If you don't have AC, well... I'll be honest, I don't take that into account. I figure anyone who is buying this stuff has AC. But that's me.
You’re bugging. I have a ton of fans with a beast Aio and this chip is running 100c.
Man, I just found your channel and just love it. Watched every minute of the video. The way you present information so clearly and informatively is better and down to earth in practicality. Much better presentation than even GN or LTT. Awesome work, will definitely keep up with you in the future.
I took your advice during the great shortage, I'm glad I can skip a gen or two but these new releases are making me all giddy
Can't wait to see what's next!
Great review - im so thrilled for the future videos on the 13700k and 8th 9th gen comparison
I would get the 13600
I remember watching your videos when i built my first PC, which was when you first started your channel, around 2k subs. I said to myself then, that you so underrated. Its good to see now, years later when I am looking to upgrade and build a new system. That you're still here, and still providing the best in class videos on the platform, and that your sub count has grown so much. GG WP👍
We win as customers! I'm planning to buy another laptop, waiting for the laptop variant to release.
The laptops are BEASTS... just got a i9-12900H laptop and holy crap, 14 cores on a laptop is beast mode.
The best 13900K overview (regarding power usage) I've seen is done by PC World. Gordon and Adam shows the power usage over time, and in various light or heavy workloads, also with different power limits. The interesting part is that if you use the default intel PL of 253W, there isn't a huge difference compared to going fully unlimited. There's even a decent drop in power usage and temperature if you limit it to something like 205W. And it shows during normal usage, the 13900K sips power less than the 7950X.
Looking forward to the video on 8th/9th/10th gen compared to the new stuff
28:13 I don't think enough people have seen this part though it's very important. Many people tend to overblow their reaction if one recommends high end parts. But putting things perspective is key. Look at what your set up is right now, check your needs/budget and plan your upgrade path accordingly so no money is wasted. There is no shame in not buying "the best" if you get your moneys worth in mid range or even low end parts. At least, if prices aren't out of whack in comparison to their performance. (Looking at you, 7600x!)
I remember watching you since the 8770k, there's a good reason to keep watch your content. In my 7-Zip I get 66% less than the 13, with my puny i7 8770.
6:14 How critical is the difference between trying to use this CPU with Windows 10 instead of Windows 11?
Edit: answer at 9:55.
I went for the 7950X in the end despite the higher and frankly insane X670E cost. The 13900K CRUMBLES as soon as you prevent it from reaching its full wattage. The Ryzen will keep a little over 80% of its performance even when limited to 65W and the loss isn't even noticeable in daily tasks at 125/105W.
would you be interested in making a video about the cpu usage of DX11 or older and DX12 games and how disabling hyper-threading or using cpu affinity to limit the cores/threads used by games is a must in 2022 now that we have 8+ cores cpus available to everyone, it's sad to see supposedly "reference" reviewers and youtubers completely miss the point despite some showing abnormal cpu usage with an overlay but not noticing "it's weird" Linus from LTT actually noticed it while reviewing 3000 threadrippers saying "the game usage seems to jump to random cores which creates stuttering" but never went deeper or tried to fix it (that's what cpu affinity is for and anyone can do it with the task manager)
Comparing a intel CPU not getting any hotter than a RTX 3090 Ti GPU is a big fail there buddy
Im in the market for a full gaming and productivity pc. This helped me alot. Thanks for the practical scenarios. Cheers!!
Late on this but after watching this I feel more confident about considering 13900k now then I had in the past. Cuz I kept on hearing nonstop how the 13900k was a power hungry little gremlin and that really turned me off from considering Intel but now it's back up on the table after having watched this, thank you, Tech
I'm on my i7 8700k and can't wait for order delivery to finally build this bad boy up ;)
@saithetruth4722 Now I'm on i9 13900k 5.8 GHz on P-core and 4.3 GHz on E-core with 32 GB DDR5 at 7200 MHz
@saithetruth4722 Performance is on the top, but I will probably reduce E-core frequency for lower temps and power draw to about 2.2 GHz, they are not that usefull in gaming, maybe if I was streaming using obs in background :P
@saithetruth4722 Honestly, 64GB is overkill and you can't reach that high DDR5 speed like with 32GB (also using 2 sticks instead of 4 gives more stability)
@@kenjiartoriaa If he's editing videos, the extra 32 GB is well worth it. RAM's very affordable now.
@@redslate I don't think that much RAM would help editing, you would get more by having 32 GB which is enough with higher frequency they offer.
Still loving my Ryzen 9 5900x. Always enjoy watching these videos to keep up to date, thanks!😀
Still looooove the bloopers 🤣😍😍😍 can't wait for the next videos you've mentioned 😍😍Respect 😎🙏
should do even 6th and 7th gen comparisons to newer as well! would be pretty cool to see how massive that leap is going from skylake to raptor lake
Cool, yes… time productive, no… that’s a time sink that would be amusing, but not all that useful. All of it is obsolete for modern software.
Tech, when you mention having a clean test bench, are you eliminating as many processes running as possible, or leaving them as is with a clean install of Windows? You may have mentioned it before, I don't remember.
Anyway, thanks for another great video.
I don't overkill it, but I do turn off Windows updates, make sure nothing active is running, and close everything in the task tray. We don't keep multiple game launchers open and reboot between them.
@@TechDeals 10-4 mate, thanks for the reply.
I have an MSI GL65 Leopard i7-10750H and 2070. For my usage, I don't see needing to replace this for a long time.
Excellent presentation I happen to have one of each of these processors in builds and your video confirms my thoughts exactly.
So my i7 860 ( September 2009) is out of date and its time to upgrade, thank you
should i upgrade my 10900k?
i love your videos!! informative, right to the point and crystal clear!!!
I managed to buy a 13700k for 400 at my local microcenter at 3.5% tax, I think that was a good deal because i was going there to buy the 13600k for 330.
There is a new customer promo code for -$25 off any processor there, I'm gonna use my sibling's phone number to get the 13700k for $375~ or you can get it for $355 if you also get a motherboard with it
nice here the diff is 120 euro
@ResistanceofNWO qq moar kid
They got a 12700k and Asus TUF board for 349 right now.
I have a 420mm Corsair capellex aio and my temps spike up to 86 for a second and back down to the 50-60 range. I ordered a contact frame that should arrive tomorrow and should help with the temps
Finally someone saids true, only people see benchmarks and results at 100% used CPU. But in real life, how much times a tipycal person or normal user getting closed to that used 100%, really a few persons I think and how much time, few minutes or maximun 1hour. I loved your video.
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Love your videos! Thank you. I have a 4770k, should I upgrade to this?
Sir my question is these 4 cpu's have so much reserve performance left that has not been utilised but still we see difference in fps?
How cpu provide so many frame rates from upgrading to a older gen to newer gen ? i9 12th gen to 13th gen knowing the fact that game is not utilising cpu's full potential!
Is it the extra cores in i9 13th gen that fetch more framerates while still utilising 30% cpu usage
Similar example for i5 12th gen to 13th gen
I am asking this on the fact that you don't to many more cores for gaming
Thank you very much for all the hard work you do for us.
This is the best CPU review I've ever seen. You just earned a subscriber.
Hey dude...
Used to watch you a bit when you started.
Dang your editing has lvled up
Green mushrooms for all
Aww, thank you :)
Tech Deals always deliver the most practical, reasonable, and meaningful review. I still remember the day when I watch your Zen 1 launch VDO, still the best and simply amazing.
Thanks for mentioning power consumption and real-world gaming benchmark. Some people seem to think these CPUs take 300W all the time. Your gaming test is also realistic, both 7950X and 13900K are both great for gaming. The difference is minor, they are practically tied, just get the one we like.
I am not a fan of the artificial unrealistic tests, says 500++ FPS CS:GO. Yes, we can see the difference but who is gonna buy 7950X or 13900K and RTX 4090 for that? for real?
For me,
Zen4 and Raptor Lake are both great, tie, at the top end. However, I agree with you that Raptor Lake wins the mainstream (i5 and i7). E-core is just too good to ignore and Zen4 platform cost is too expensive for a 6-8 core CPU in 2023. People can get Raptor Lake + Z690 + DDR4, the price difference covers the cost for another MB.
For the top-end system,
platform cost becomes less concern :)
hey you forgot to mention temperature of 7950x with air cooler
What’s your feeling about the 7950X3D ? Thx
what about temperatures in computing tasks meaning using 90% cpu time and all core load with 360mm aio it will throttle? and what is inside in that big box?🤔something juicy is hidden there i think😁 18A will be some type of nanosheet maybe but it´s incredibly hard to even imaginate how it will be made or even...will electron sometimes pass through transistor? this becoming a serious question anyway it will be interesting or maybe they can use light instead of electrons to reduce or get rid of chance particle pass through problem🤔🤷♂
I've been looking at upgrading my ryzen cpu but heard about the Windows 11 requirement for the i9. There are plenty of people out there running Windows 10 on i9-12900k processors apparently.
Indeed... you can run Windows 7 on one, or MS-DOS even. :)
Doesn't make it a great idea...
@@TechDeals you literally say Windows 11 is required in this video.
Planning a gaming rig, what would you guys change ? Any tips ?
➖CASE: Corsair Graphite Series 780T Black (using an old case that I already have for years, love the design)
➖MOBO: Still to be selected
➖Cooler: Noctua NH-U12A
♾ CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K
♾ LGA-1700 (Raptor Lake) • 36 MB • 24C/32T
➖RAM: DDR5 2x 32GB --> ???? MHz CL?? (I know, I know 64 gigs is overkill for gaming and even future proofing, but want it anyways)
🔛GPU: Sapphire RX 7900 XTX • (24GB)
➖NVMe: 2x 2TB Samsung 980 PRO (RAID-0)
➖PSU: Corsair HX1200 (already have the PSU from a previous system)
🌀OS: Windows 11 PRO (64 Bits)
Cool 5950x is solid for years to come, yet, I guess. Thanks for the cool info and video.
I looked at the test bench specs section, but didn't see it. Did you bench Ryzen 7000 on Windows 10 or Windows 11? Brian from Tech Yes City had some bad 1% low stuttering with the 7950X about 2 mo ago and in wondering if you had issues at all with that. I don't recall you mentioning any, so was wondering what OS you tested Ryzen on.
I would highly consider the Ryzen platform more than intel. Simply because you will be able to upgrade later on. This fact was something I never considered until I bought a 5700x for $200 to upgrade my 2700x on a budget b450 and there was a substantial boost in performance.
Fair point, totally ok with that, it's nice to do that :)
Special thanks, professional and helpful tips in your video aside, also thanks for positivity, bless
Can you expect a difference in results when 1440p/4k gaming?
A 4090 at 1440p will be really similar to these numbers.
@@TechDeals thanks
So do you think i could just buy a noctua instead of AIO for the 13900k if I'm just gaming? I'm a little nervous about water leakage, never used them before.
I love Tech Deals, the benchmarks are realistic and trustable comparing to some other channels.
If possible, could I suggest testing the motherboards-based performance? such as cheap microATX Z690m/Z790m vs. expensive ATX Z690/Z790? Cuz recently a lot of rumors about that the cheap micro-ATX Z690m/Z790m cannot sustain long-term high-performance 12900K/13900K under full loads, so we need to buy the expensive ones if we want to get max performance from 12900K/13900K. But is this true???
In general, motherboards don't really matter to performance, so long as you have enough power delivery and solid VRMs to prevent thermal limits. As for testing a bunch of them, I'm afraid I don't have the budget for that, the CPUs and GPUs are expensive as it is.
Thumbs of rules, for God sake just please don't get those cheap budget barebone MoBo.
@@Zagaara i have a good micro-ATX case, it can only use micro-ATX z690m/z790m mobos. However, z690m/z790m does not have many options to choose from. I am just curious how z690m/z790m can handle full load of 12900k/13900k...
btw, cheaper mobos really do not necessarily mean they are worse than more expensives one (not even the high end mobos), which has been benchmarked somewhere else already.
this was helpful yet im stil kinda stuck between 13900k or the 7950x im getting a pc build mainly for production and my friend whos doing it says the ryzen would be better for me but on online i get mixed reviews stl trying to take my time and figure it out
230W intel's power usage is "better" vs 120W AMD's 7950x in Cyberpunk 2077 ... total win. Where is other tests with CPU TDP?
Great video! Something I’ve wondered if you have heard anyone with issues with xmp on the i9 13900k. Just upgraded with that, Strix z790e, 4 sticks of Corsair vengeance RGB CL36 6200.
Systems boots normal, but ramcache isn’t reading the ram. If I try to use XMP 1 or 2, then I just go into a boot loop. So not sure if bios on new boards, XMP, drivers etc.
Just wondering if any others with this issue on these new toys!
Intel 13th gen has stability issues compared to AMD 7000... Many people are having issues withemory timmings when using 4 dimms. It's a voltage issue it's recommended to use only 2dimm configs or wait for the issues to be addressed on BIOS updates.
If I we're You Id send the RAM back and pay for a 2dimm memory kit.
DDR4-6400 CL32 will not run on our Z690 MSI Carbon... we have it set to 6000 CL32 for that reason - 2 DIMMs
it's a fact that 7600X and 13600K are more than enough for most of us...solid 1080p and 1440p performance
What is better in my county 7900x is 750 euros and 7950x 1000 euros are 4 cores / 8 threads worth 250 euros? For gaming new games like new assasins creed, uncharted and more. I have 3400x1440 ultrawide and rtx 2060 i m wnaiting for rx7000 series (rx 7900)
You literally one of the best reviewers that there is.
There's just no drama, it's about numbers and facts.
Your delivery is just so matter of fact, to the point, and concise. I love your channel and always miss you when you're gone for a while.
Plus I FREAKIN love how you do benchmarks with GPUs. You use optimised settings instead of ultra so we can all see how the game actually runs in real time when we all adjust our settings.
Ultra settings are also needed but everyone does those..
Thank you!!!
I think I come upgrade from I9 9900KF @5GHz all cores to new cpu+motherboard and memory next year normaly I dont need upgrade but Microsoft flight simulator with lot of installed scenery and aircraft its hard demand on hardwares like around KORD Chicago I whish hade litle more fps from 25-30 all set on Ultra @ 1440 with 3090TI to around 45fps hade be good, but question is new I9 13900KS or 7590X 3D then they maybe be released next year?
OMFG!!! You put sooo much work into your videos!!! Simply amazing! Kudos and thank you! 🙏👍
İ play games 4k resolution, my cpu 12900ks gpu rtx 3090 should upgrade my cpu ?
I recently bought an 5950x with motherboard and ECC ram. It seems that Ryzen 7000 series "normal" motherboards do not support ECC memory ? At least officially they don't say that.
might try and wait for meteor lake. 10850K system now. we'll see but meteor lake seems like it's going to be pretty awesome
Can I make a suggestion tech;
Much like how you did with your stream background, incorporate a more friendly background for your normal videos too? Just something not so bright and white, maybe grey? 🙏
My 10850k 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 down the drain 😭. Damn good video
I'm wondering if there are differences regarding perceived speed/smoothness for this comparison.
I can't tell a difference between Zen 4 and Raptor Lake in that regard.
@@TechDeals Thanks for your replay, that particular question kept me from deciding on my upgrade from my trusted 8600k. You mentioned in your 7700X review that it feels like stuff happens faster in windows (at that point in time compared to alderlake and ryzen5000). Also jays two cents said the same thing about Zen4 - that he felt windows speeds he didnt feel before. I'm only upgrading every 3-5 years, so having SO much choice like right now makes it kinda difficult to decide :D
your content is very helpful in coming to a conclusion for these topics, ty very much :)
Thanks, Still on 9th gen, eventually I will upgrade again. Also wondering about those 4090 connection plugs melting, might wait for AMD's offerings though I hear they could have that issue also.
If you're on 9900K, it really is time for an upgrade. But another year is an option. Depends on what you do with your PC, but I'm noticing my 9900K at home is slower than it used to be.
I got this CPU but when i play cyberpunk 2077, the temperature can went up to 86 C, is this normal?
Whenever I have a not so good day, I would just find this guy and watch to one of his vids, his voice just soothes me.
I'm a harsh critic and all reviewers and youtubers suffer my wrath because I know better than them while it's their job not mine they are "fake users" who only make "content" and say-show lots of wrong things, but I find it hard to criticize you, actually you are the most accurate reviewer of pc hardware I've seen this far congratulations this is the best well explained comparison made, I really hope your adobe premiere workstation will work as expected but I have doubts about 4 dimms ddr5 working properly read my other comment
I’m still rocking my i7 6950x on x99a MSI God Carbon motherboard
The 5950x aged really well and i am keeping it, its a simple cpu without the bells and whistle such as the 3d cache that needs tweeking to make it run or e cores and p cores which causes some issues on some older games, just a pure 16 core cpu that still performs very well except in the single core which slightly falls behind
I just got the Ryzen 7900X, it is blazingly fast but I’m having so much instability issues, mostly due to memory, I think? Anyway, if I don’t figure it out ill be returning for an i9-12900K because that will be within the same budget at my local Micro Center
Great stuff. Very informative
Temp in gaming is not bad. My 13900K in cyberpunk run like 70-77 C, most the time 75C on "small" noctua nh-u14s.
Is this the case till today and would you recommend 13900k or 12900k when comparing thermals first then performance?
Hey Tech Deals, I own a 5800X3D and use it, as of this week, with a 7900 XTX - the performance is gloriuos! I play at 4k resolution and most games are fantastic and can hold the 120FPS for my 120Hz Monitor. But I have dips, sometimes for splitseconds into the 80s or even in the 70s(Witcher 3) or worse the 30s on Cyberpunk. I wonder, if money wouldn't matter - would an upgrade to a 13900k or maybe the new 7900X or 7900X3D CPUs be sensible/usefull? I also could overclock my Monitor to 144Hz so if the CPU would bring everything up, I could also go higher in Hz. I am just wondering, is this a stupid idea? Or would make a CPU Upgrade a noticable difference in 4K?
Thanks, if you ever get to answer this!!! Love your videos!
At 4K, your GPU is mostly the limit, but even then, a i9-13900K or R9 7950X would be a solid upgrade over the 5800X3D. Expensive, but solid.
@@TechDeals Wow, very fast answer! 🙂 Thank you very much! Alrighty then, I'll wait for your review of the new X3D-CPUs from AMD and then I'll ask my wallet 😅
It's great that you show performance gains compared to previous gen from both brands; however I think you should show previous gen products also when talking about power consumption.
Yeah I ask some questions about some upgrades I just seeing what your recommendations were at the moment I'm running a system with I-5 9600k and with a RTX 2070 want to see what your best recommendations for a upgraded
That needs replacing outright. You could keep your GPU until 4070 launches if you want, but otherwise, replace the rest of it.
Thank you I’ll hang on to the 10850k till 2024
Thnx for the video, very informative. Are the rdna 3 apu for laptops coming out Nov 3rd?
Believe me Tech, I really need at the least a Ryzen 5 5600 for future 60 FPS gaming since the Ryzen 5 2600 will not be enough.
Are you guys gonna start a live stream channel? I hope you do.
It isn't planned... anything is possible, but time is what is limited.
I'm curious why you didn't use the 5800X3D instead. I thought that was the superior gaming choice over the 5950x
We don't have a 5800X3D, and honestly, it doesn't stand up to the i9 and R9 in non-gaming tasks.
Thank you so much for this video, made me realize that my 10850k is still good for gaming
You say there's no difference betwen Z790 and Z690, but one has a white Apex and the other doesn't ;P
Thanks for the video.
Would like to see a video where all the cpus are set to lets say 4.5 GHz then tested to see if it is the speed giving you the better performance ie ipc.
I like the cpu cooler you use, non of these 360 coolers, that would only go on i9 or r9 cpus. A 360 cooler on a i5 or r5 is over kill and price to performance is not a good use of your money.
The biggest reason I like your show is on screen display of info. This gives the viewer more info to make better purchases. This video was missing a lot of those. Still a good video with lots of info.
I've seen a couple benchmarks that OC the 13900k to all core 5.5ghz and get almost 40k points in r23 multicore. Is that true? how can the difference be that big from stock speeds ? Is that even possible on noctua d15 ?
It exceeds 40k in r23 actually with adequate cooling on stock. Most reviews thermal throttled.
undervolting may allow the cpu to boost higher with less heat so that too can help exceed 40k r23.
@@bingbing3464 so tech deals is thermally throttled then ?
@@Techsnowball very likely because he's using D15. Even the 7950x is likely thermal throttling too. These cpu will need at least 360aio. A Basic high flow Custom watercooling with soft tubes would be the best.
@@bingbing3464 wow ok then. I see why those cpus dont come with stock coolers.
It’s not an oc. It out of the box clocks all cores to 5.5ghz. Pretty sure I heard in the video he used a air cooler on the cpu and that would be why performance results are under performing. Mine stock scored 40188 in r23. I did a quick oc on mine and it doesn’t go over 84c and scores 43045-43100 now. The 24c i9 is a bit much for a air cooler but it can certainly perform still.
Amazing video! Battlefield 2042 just released season 3 last week, and there seem to be significant increase in cpu performance not to mention striking improvement in gameplay resulting in resurgence of interest among gamers. Can you please compare recently released CPUs (ryzen and intel) in new BF2042 season 3? You did a great job last year. ( I would suggest using coop mode to eliminate variability in live multiplayer games and easier benchmarking). Thank you!
Can you also test this using lower end gpus? Just to show if someone thinks of upgrading the cpus and if it is worth the time
With less GPU power, the results will compress as the GPU becomes the limit. The idea here is to show what to expect over a 3-4 year life as future GPUs get installed.
@@TechDeals maybe instead of lower end gpus. Previous high end gpus if that makes sense. Just to show if you can push further by removing completely any bottleneck from the cpu. With expensive gpu prices, maybe a new cpu can make the gaming experience better
Thanks for keeping it real Tech!
I got a i9 12900k it ran so hot I had to get an aio for it which I didn't want to and Now it runs pretty cool. I would suggest anyone thinking of buying these processors to get a decent aio with it because once you start encoding it starts to hit 90 to 100c, or when running rpcs3 while on noctua black heatsink.
One thing I'm really curious of is how they compare in the task manager utilization %. Of course different programs will utilize differently.
It'd also be interesting if multitasking performance as well, though how and which programs to run is a bit of a tricky thing.
I have tried doing various tests to measure multitasking, I haven’t found one that is repeatable over and over. The results just vary too much.
Comparing my Xeon E-5 2666 v3 to this 13th gen absolute monster really puts into perspective what competition between AMD and Intel did to the market, in 7 years we went from server-grade and ultra expensive to consumer grade and reasonable price, sure i bought my Xeon used but new it was over 2000 USD, still, AMD got me with their 3D V-Cache, i bid my time until they launch next year.
Will a 240 mm aio be adequate for cooling the i9 13900k
No, and yes…. Please don’t, just… don’t…