Hi there, have you actually done an experiment to confirm leaving the Cotyledon leaves weakens the hatched seedlings overall performance? Second question please, should the Cotyledon leaves be removed from all species of seeds? Thanks very much in advance.
Yes I have... I noticed that if you germinate the tomato seeds like I do and then plant the germinated seed, they do much better if you take off the Cotyledon leaves when the second leaf gets nice and big enough. They tend to go stringy and leggy if you don't... They will fall off later if you leave them on, but it helps the plant get more robust earlier in their growth instead of leaving them on and letting the growth get leggy with skinny stalks. I do it specifically for tomatoes because of the better outcome if I do. As with other species of seeds, I don't recall honestly... I can't think of any veg that you have to do that to... Eventually some of the veg that gets the 2 first leaves do fall off like melons and squash types... etc. without altering their growth, but with the tomatoes I do notice the difference... specifically with indeterminates... I do them to all tomatoes anyway. Hope this helps, and thank you for your question...
@@RascalandCrowFarm You're very welcome, thanks very much for taking your time to answer it for me. I am attempting to grow two organic pink lady apple trees & am currently at the Cotyledon plus a few leaves stage. It took about a week or so for full sprouting of roots (via the seed within wet tissue then sealed bag way), after germination i have given each one their own pot. Been using a top notch fertilizer one which contains sea weed plus some well developed compost for their home. Brought some all rounded lights to give to them during indoor stay plus some occasional UV light which i think will give them that sensational boost. First time i've ever tried this & have found it highly educational, thanks again.
Hi Lawt Colt, That is fantastic that you are growing the "Pink Lady Apples" by seed... I also grew about 10 apple trees by seed myself, by re-creating the cold stratification process in the fridge to break their dormancy and jump start the germination process ... since I sprouted the apple seeds out of their natural season for growing. My trees are about 5 years old now pruning to help shape and I am still growing them in pots to plant hopefully next year in ground. I grew Ambrosia Apples from it's original seed from the agricultural center that originally created them here in British Columbia in Summerland in the "Okanagan" fruit and wine country. I noticed that Oregon grows our apples from the Okanagan now... My Ambrosias are looking beautiful and tall at about 6 and a half to 7 feet tall but of course they are susceptible to the plagues that love apple trees. This year they have fared better... I have never used any kind of natural pesticides on them but next year will spray them in their leaf dormancy stage in February to see if they fair any better. I don't take off any Cotyledon leaves other than my indeterminate tomatoes when they get a good growth on their second leaf as experimenting for some years showed they particularly fared better to grow robustly when removed. Like I said, the cotyledon leaves will naturallly fall off if left but the plant grows spindally and not as robust early on as I mentioned above. It does really make a difference... All other plants I leave the cotyledon leaves alone. When I planted my tiny apple trees outside finally, I grew them all in a 4 x 4 area until they grew to about 2 feet and then I replanted them in their own pots for which they took off. I replanted them as they grew into bigger pots... Ambrosia's are interesting as they grow like a stalk tree with the apples growing mostly along the main tree stock trunk... making it easy to pick and compact on a plant. I'm so loving that you are sharing what you are doing and am learning with your method experimentation.... Thank you so much for sharing what you are doing and your experiences with growing as well... Give us all an update on your wonderful growing experience and educational lessons... Thank you for your kind support and sharing your excellent experimentation knowledge as well... so appreciated! Hope any of this helps...
@@RascalandCrowFarm Hey, apology for taking what feels like an eternity to reply! It has been on the tip of my thoughts to do so for so long hahahaha, thanks for your patience ;-j ah wow that all sounds amazing, thanks for sharing that with me, i have already taken notes lol. With my Apple plants i have hit a snag! I left them outside for about a month to get some of thatr natural light air flow, & for the last few days the leafs appear to be dry & have developed a white dusty coating over them! Wish i just left them indoors & fed them the bulb way ;-( Not sure what to do now, i have brough them back in, given them a boost of the seaweed fertiliser with water, and put them back under the light. I have read some where that said i should spray them with a fungal pesticide? Another place said i should remove the white leaves & leave the rest to regrow? Clueless, may i seek your guidenece in this, thanks again for all your input & help, take care.
@@RascalandCrowFarm Aren’t apples like some other fruits where you don’t get anything close to harvesting fruit that is like the fruit the seeds came from?
Hi Alicia, Thank you for your question. If you watch it again, I clearly tell you the "Why" at the 3:00 minute mark... so that the seedlings grow strong and vigorous.... watch it again, if you would like. If you remove the Cotyledon leaves when you have your second leaves well established, it promotes the little seedling to get a thicker, stronger and more robust stem resulting in a stronger little plant as they grow especially in their last month of growing in pots before planting them. When you remove them later when they are quite big, they tend to grow scrawny and not leaf out as it should with especially indeterminate heirloom tomatoes. I read this years ago as an old school method and I can tell you it has made a difference for me for years... I need to start keeping my articles to pass on to ones interested.
Thanks for explaining. I Appreciate your time. I hope I didn't come across as being critical. I just wasn't understanding the reasons behind it. Seems like one of those things people either do or don't do adimately but can't really explain why. Thanks for pointing me in the right research direction & explaining more. Just a odd little thing I've been curious about. I hope you update your videos explaining a little more so you can help more people & their plants grow better. or maybe show s comparison would be awesome Thanks again! Happy Gardening!
Hi Alicia, no worries! You have great suggestions for next year for me to do a comparison in plants... of various situations. I think that is a great idea, and thanks for putting that idea in my head. I do like to try and help others which is why I do these videos. I try and keep the videos about 5 minutes as is suggested as people lose interest these days if the video is too long. Thank you again for the wonderful suggestions and I will start thinking about videos also in that way to further help ones. Your comments are so appreciated, keep them coming. One thing I've notice is that sometimes I can't find the research I did years ago... the searches have changed. Someone suggested to go to main Google search and look there as Yahoo and others only post limited articles or you have to try and sift through hundreds and still not find what you are looking for. I have recently started to log articles and research material from the sources that have my information.
@@RascalandCrowFarm Hello, Thank you very much for the video. I have read your comments and I wanted to say that you are right that a lot of people won’t stick around for a long video, unfortunately. but if it makes any difference I’m a young man and I would be delighted to listen to you flesh out your thoughts at your own pace, regardless of the algorithm. If you’re reading this, thank you for your time.
Hello, What a delightful comment... Thank you for your comments and your kindness and patience... you are a rare one! Thank you for your kind support... means the world to me.
I did not know this! Thank you!
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Hi Claudene. Love your info!
Hi Melody, Thank you kindly.... your comments are valuable and encouraging...
Hi there, have you actually done an experiment to confirm leaving the Cotyledon leaves weakens the hatched seedlings overall performance? Second question please, should the Cotyledon leaves be removed from all species of seeds? Thanks very much in advance.
Yes I have... I noticed that if you germinate the tomato seeds like I do and then plant the germinated seed, they do much better if you take off the Cotyledon leaves when the second leaf gets nice and big enough. They tend to go stringy and leggy if you don't... They will fall off later if you leave them on, but it helps the plant get more robust earlier in their growth instead of leaving them on and letting the growth get leggy with skinny stalks. I do it specifically for tomatoes because of the better outcome if I do. As with other species of seeds, I don't recall honestly... I can't think of any veg that you have to do that to... Eventually some of the veg that gets the 2 first leaves do fall off like melons and squash types... etc. without altering their growth, but with the tomatoes I do notice the difference... specifically with indeterminates... I do them to all tomatoes anyway. Hope this helps, and thank you for your question...
@@RascalandCrowFarm You're very welcome, thanks very much for taking your time to answer it for me. I am attempting to grow two organic pink lady apple trees & am currently at the Cotyledon plus a few leaves stage. It took about a week or so for full sprouting of roots (via the seed within wet tissue then sealed bag way), after germination i have given each one their own pot. Been using a top notch fertilizer one which contains sea weed plus some well developed compost for their home.
Brought some all rounded lights to give to them during indoor stay plus some occasional UV light which i think will give them that sensational boost.
First time i've ever tried this & have found it highly educational, thanks again.
Hi Lawt Colt, That is fantastic that you are growing the "Pink Lady Apples" by seed... I also grew about 10 apple trees by seed myself, by re-creating the cold stratification process in the fridge to break their dormancy and jump start the germination process ... since I sprouted the apple seeds out of their natural season for growing. My trees are about 5 years old now pruning to help shape and I am still growing them in pots to plant hopefully next year in ground. I grew Ambrosia Apples from it's original seed from the agricultural center that originally created them here in British Columbia in Summerland in the "Okanagan" fruit and wine country. I noticed that Oregon grows our apples from the Okanagan now... My Ambrosias are looking beautiful and tall at about 6 and a half to 7 feet tall but of course they are susceptible to the plagues that love apple trees. This year they have fared better... I have never used any kind of natural pesticides on them but next year will spray them in their leaf dormancy stage in February to see if they fair any better.
I don't take off any Cotyledon leaves other than my indeterminate tomatoes when they get a good growth on their second leaf as experimenting for some years showed they particularly fared better to grow robustly when removed. Like I said, the cotyledon leaves will naturallly fall off if left but the plant grows spindally and not as robust early on as I mentioned above. It does really make a difference... All other plants I leave the cotyledon leaves alone. When I planted my tiny apple trees outside finally, I grew them all in a 4 x 4 area until they grew to about 2 feet and then I replanted them in their own pots for which they took off. I replanted them as they grew into bigger pots... Ambrosia's are interesting as they grow like a stalk tree with the apples growing mostly along the main tree stock trunk... making it easy to pick and compact on a plant. I'm so loving that you are sharing what you are doing and am learning with your method experimentation.... Thank you so much for sharing what you are doing and your experiences with growing as well... Give us all an update on your wonderful growing experience and educational lessons... Thank you for your kind support and sharing your excellent experimentation knowledge as well... so appreciated! Hope any of this helps...
@@RascalandCrowFarm Hey, apology for taking what feels like an eternity to reply! It has been on the tip of my thoughts to do so for so long hahahaha, thanks for your patience ;-j ah wow that all sounds amazing, thanks for sharing that with me, i have already taken notes lol. With my Apple plants i have hit a snag! I left them outside for about a month to get some of thatr natural light air flow, & for the last few days the leafs appear to be dry & have developed a white dusty coating over them! Wish i just left them indoors & fed them the bulb way ;-( Not sure what to do now, i have brough them back in, given them a boost of the seaweed fertiliser with water, and put them back under the light.
I have read some where that said i should spray them with a fungal pesticide? Another place said i should remove the white leaves & leave the rest to regrow? Clueless, may i seek your guidenece in this, thanks again for all your input & help, take care.
@@RascalandCrowFarm Aren’t apples like some other fruits where you don’t get anything close to harvesting fruit that is like the fruit the seeds came from?
But why? I'm looking for the why?
Hi Alicia, Thank you for your question. If you watch it again, I clearly tell you the "Why" at the 3:00 minute mark... so that the seedlings grow strong and vigorous.... watch it again, if you would like. If you remove the Cotyledon leaves when you have your second leaves well established, it promotes the little seedling to get a thicker, stronger and more robust stem resulting in a stronger little plant as they grow especially in their last month of growing in pots before planting them. When you remove them later when they are quite big, they tend to grow scrawny and not leaf out as it should with especially indeterminate heirloom tomatoes. I read this years ago as an old school method and I can tell you it has made a difference for me for years... I need to start keeping my articles to pass on to ones interested.
Thanks for explaining. I Appreciate your time. I hope I didn't come across as being critical. I just wasn't understanding the reasons behind it. Seems like one of those things people either do or don't do adimately but can't really explain why. Thanks for pointing me in the right research direction & explaining more. Just a odd little thing I've been curious about. I hope you update your videos explaining a little more so you can help more people & their plants grow better. or maybe show s comparison would be awesome
Thanks again! Happy Gardening!
Hi Alicia, no worries! You have great suggestions for next year for me to do a comparison in plants... of various situations. I think that is a great idea, and thanks for putting that idea in my head. I do like to try and help others which is why I do these videos. I try and keep the videos about 5 minutes as is suggested as people lose interest these days if the video is too long. Thank you again for the wonderful suggestions and I will start thinking about videos also in that way to further help ones. Your comments are so appreciated, keep them coming. One thing I've notice is that sometimes I can't find the research I did years ago... the searches have changed. Someone suggested to go to main Google search and look there as Yahoo and others only post limited articles or you have to try and sift through hundreds and still not find what you are looking for. I have recently started to log articles and research material from the sources that have my information.
@@RascalandCrowFarm
Hello,
Thank you very much for the video. I have read your comments and I wanted to say that you are right that a lot of people won’t stick around for a long video, unfortunately.
but if it makes any difference I’m a young man and I would be delighted to listen to you flesh out your thoughts at your own pace, regardless of the algorithm.
If you’re reading this, thank you for your time.
Hello, What a delightful comment... Thank you for your comments and your kindness and patience... you are a rare one! Thank you for your kind support... means the world to me.