would you be willing to assist in something? i am trying to get orthographic designs of all of the ships to make them in minecraft i would need a top/bottom/back/front/right/left presentation of the ships with each image being equal to the other with length width and height, with each pixel being equated to one meter atleast......in truth, the larger, the better, so, if each meter took more pixels, better, 5 pixels per meter would be great if you are willing to assist, please let me know, as, there would also be the issue of color.....all in different shades of grey including the background would be difficult to use
Makes you wonder what the design looked like during development and testing... and what Goa'uld was sensible enough to refine out most of the propagandistic elements and questionable aesthetics...
Just don’t try to destroy one as you’re about to cross through a stargate. Other wise it might crash into it and explode causing you to be trapped in the stargate buffer that you’re travelling to.
No need to worry if the receiving gate has a functional DHD, as it will supply the gate with power to make sure everything gets reassembled properly. But if one doesn't know if there's a functional DHD on the other end, then that is certainly something to be concerned about. Good episode, one of many good episodes
I doubt there are many who will say the Al'kesh is their favourite ship, but the ship was built to fill a role that wouldn't be filled otherwise, and it did that job very, very well, even being versatile enough to perform other tasks outside its usual duties.
I always felt that it would make a good 'hero ship', with a few advanced modifications of course. Plenty of bounty hunters and other rogues could get ahold of one, especially after the System Lords fell.
@@jbz4788 The hatak is probably the best designed warship in the franchise. It can rotate in its axis whilst having 360 fire from over and under the ship, and can circle another ship whilst doing that.
@@nihilityjoey There are some glaring flaws with Ha’tak design such as the massive internal negative space from its need to land on a pyramid (when any flat surface should suffice) which could be used for more generators or death gliders (or simply made the ship smaller and harder to hit). And the fact things can just be tossed into the shield generators from several decks above. But yes it’s firing arcs are top notch.
How to make this same design practical even in harder sci-fi? Reinforce the bridge, add secondary command post, add two extra turrets on "pyramid" sides to allow it to have no blind spots and at the same time lay whole 6 staff cannons onto the same target in front of it. Now you can paint it beige and sell as transport in Elite: Dangerous.
As colonel jack O'Neill once put it. Goa'uld technology is designed to inflict terror on subjugated populations kept at a barely medieval state. Not to actually be practical in warfare. Which he so handily demonstrated by eviscerating a log target with a p90
@@epicstyle1000 hell flatten the top and add a extra turret their to and you have 360 firing arcs and can bring atleast 4 staff cannons onto the same target no matter where it is and 8 at targets in front or behind
But why? It's basically an APC with optional heavy armaments. You could easily view this as basically a Striker apc with an autocannon/tow mount. Add all of that and it's going to be far more expensive. They'd be better off making an entirely new ship. Remember, without shields it doesn't matter where they hit you most of the time. Stargate weapons are immensely powerful compared to a lot of scifi, just not very accurate or heavily militarized. For the Goa'uld's purposes, where war is very rare and terror bombing of civilians without destroying them too much is important, this works just fine. In a situation where the shields are down and they need more turrets, they're already far outside any normal usage of the vessel. It's kind of like an A-10, usage-wise. While it CAN do other things, it's main purpose is to destroy relatively undefended enemies, not to contest peer enemy forces. And also to move troops and cargo, which it does better than its little sibling. It's just expensive because of the size, which arguably is an even better reason for it to fulfill multiple roles.
@@thelordofcringe reinforcing the bridge and adding 3 more turrets would not cost too much. if it is only to the level to counter handheld weapons like staff cannons or missiles the turrets just make it better as a gun ship and more effective in space
I. Any future set Stargate I'd love to a human version of this ship (general bomber transport)jack of all trades just happens to have an intergalactic hyperdrive
they did really tick all the boxes to make a practical utility ship. didn't give it too much thought when watching the show, but i appreciate it a lot more now
Not gonna happen. Flapazon will destroy Stargate when they'll eventually start a new show. Writers today are incapable of actually writing. I mean, look what they did with Foundation. I mean, for crying out loud, that's a cornerstone of modern SciFi as we know it. One of the pantheons of SciFi that any SciFi fan should read through at least once in their life... and apart from making it look good, big deal these days, they absolutely butchered the plot. Like took a freaking RPG to the task of unclogging a toilet levels of bad. Do not get me wrong, the plot of Foundation as is, wasn't something one can put on screen. There's some things that would not survive, but what Amazon did was just heinous.
The biggest weakness of the Al'kesh is the death glider. Lot's of people are saying the Al'kesh is lacking direct fire weapons, but that's not its job. In a proper war, that ship should have fighters escorting it. But, the death glider lacks a hyperdrive for *practical* inter-system travel, and is overall underwhelming once up against near-peer threats. If the Al'kesh had a complementing fighter that could keep up with it, it would be able to function as a medium range bomber. Unfortunately, Gua'uld fighters are launched from a mothership and if you have one of those, you don't need the Al'kesh. So ironically the Al'kesh becomes the single most useful ship to everybody who *isn't* aligned with the Gua'uld and is actually pretty useless to the faction that actually makes them.
They're not terribly useful in an offensive war, perhaps. That isn't what Goa'uld spent most of their attention on. A single Al'kesh can end a slave rebellion by itself. Also, it does have direct fire weapons in that underslung turret. I doubt it would have trouble taking down a couple rebellious Jaffa who'd stolen death gliders, even without escort gliders of its own. If you, as a Goa'uld, hear about some sort of uprising, you can likely send an Al'kesh and stop it before it even gets going.
I'd like to suggest that in terms of goa'uld vs. goa'uld violence, they tend to like to win by subterfuge and conversion. That is, they like to create turncoats in their oppant's forces who they can then use to win in battle. the actual violence is to test your subversion of your enemy's troops and your control over your own. As such, having a bridge you can destroy in your support vehicle is a nice way to take care of a of a turncoat.
@@reliantncc1864 This is always worth remembering when analyzing Goa'uld weaponry: actual tactical effectiveness always came second to the ability to shock and awe victims or rebels with demonstrations of overkill and horror.
I dont think the size is too small: This would put it comparable to a C-130H Hercules and if you look up the specs, and remember this is a lifting body design spaceship with extra equipment and a life support system that wouldn't be needed for a Hercules, it makes sense.
Lifting body design? I don't think any part of this ship (or almost any other in Stargate) is actually trying to get aerodynamic lift. Their sci-fi engines can lift them from ground to orbit without any use of aerodynamics. I do agree it's not too small, and its vastly greater volume-dimensions ratio gives it far better capacity for systems and cargo. Also, unlike the Hercules, it has significant offensive and defensive armament.
This is basically the sci-fi version of a WW2 flying boat like the PBY. Long-ranged multi-purpose craft, capable of doing a bit of everything, and so versatile that they remained in use LONG after the conflict they were built for.
I would be so bold to tell that most people didn't like the Al'Kesh ship and well I can say that it looks unique enough to be checked under the hood and it didn't disappoint this old starship lover.
It wasn't meant to be operating as a lone armoured cruiser, but under escort with gliders or part of a fleet. Plus it's hyperdrive would allow it to run quite quickly from danger. I'd liken it more close to late 19th century protected cruisers: Transports or unarmored ships with smaller gun platforms added to allow for commerce raiding/self protection while making deliveries/clearing areas at distant regions of minor assets that would be overkill to use heavy cruisers/battlecruisers/battleships.
It was designed as essentially a policing/mob suppression vehicle not a ship to ship slugger. While used in fleet actions against other ships its not ideal but works. Where it shines is unruly subjects who are technologically inferior and where the goal is to disperse not destroy.
No, I didn't. A twin turret suitable for ground/air/space targets, plus bombing capability? When you add troop-carrying capacity, it's a very effective multipurpose ship, as was clear every time SG teams had to face them.
Should have told me you were doing this, i would have rendered out the VFX models for you and got you the right sizes haha For those wondering, the VFX model was 69m long, 45m wide, and 25m tall.
I've thought that for some time as well. That the Al'Kesh could fill the "hero ship" role rather well, given the medium size, versatility, possibility for upgrades, and flexible number of crew.
@@7dragons7swords so? Bounty hunter used Teltak alone... Hatak can be flown by one person too... Asgard and Ancients ships can be flown by one person too... In Teltak single person can live for long term. Or transport group of people for short time. In Alkesh group group can live for long time. Or transport dozens/hundreds of people for short time.
I'd like to see Spacedock's opinion on the ships from an anime called: "Starship Operators". The series has some interesting concepts for warship design. One that was shown in the first ep was essentially a mobile railgun attached to a munitions factory. It's mode of engaging in battle is that it would attach to an asteroid and use it for raw materials to produce its ammunition to fire repeated volleys until it completely consumes said asteroid to saturate the combat area and limit its enemy's ability to close the distance to fire on them.
I did not wake up today expecting be blessed with a SpaceDock Episode on the Al'Kesh, but I'm not about to look a gift undomesticated equine in the mouth.
I’d greatly appreciate a video that compares the relative scale of technology the weapons in the “Realistic Weapons” series exist at. How lowtech or hightech each weapon is and whether one would need to be developed before an other in sci-fi weapons development. Comparing things like energy yield, cost of production, cost of ammunition, etc. For example, on a scale of lowest to highest range, you have railguns, particle and dust guns, then lasers. Missiles are a variable option, as it depends on how much fuel they have and how efficient they use it.
Al'kesh were more more useful than the Tel'tak in almost any sense for me, the latter being better only on stealth infiltration missions, it's also my fav Goa'uld spaceship.
I have to be honest this is my favorite space ship i have no idea why there are plenty of great ships in stargate, star wars, halo, star trek, battle star galactica and farscape but this small black prymid has all ways been my favorite sifi ship no idea why.
Well, i think it was stated that all Goa'uld tech is just older ancient tech, and the ancients would have designed a versatile, adaptable ship design that could suit all their needs pretty well, and the Goa'uld just repeated the design without altering it. Later ancient Tech like the puddle jumpers, while very utilitarian, also had that versatility, they could be used as fighters in a pinch, had enough room for cargo and personal, while having potent weapons and a cloaking device. Though i will admit that an Al'kesh is more of a battleship configuration while a puddlejumper is a mini-van.
Damn, I miss Stargate, it was peak series at it's time... Atlantis was amazing too, maybe even better! Universe was good too but in a different way. I hope the franchise gets rebooted soon!
If I was a system lord I’d definitely have a highly customized one of these as a personal transport alongside a Ha’tak. Something to take me down to the planet with more flare than the transporter rings or act as an escape shuttle.
The Al'Kesh is the perfect example of a ship that isn't "designed by plot". It was designed as a ship in a fleet. It had the kind of versatility you'd see in a "hero ship", without the crutch of being "good at everything".
Can someone tell me what the music is called that is used in this video? I see "Battlezone II Music by Carey Chico" in the description, but aftrer listening to various tracks, I don't think I've found the exact one yet.
Ah yes, the ship added because they wanted to retcon out ring glider, the ship that is important to many episodes yet barely acknowledged in others since having one carpet bomb SG-1 position before dropping in a whole group of royal Jaffa would be problematic to deal with without 1)heavy vehicle support; 2)tactical nuke; 2)retreating through the gate. It's like that plate insert Teal'c used in first episode or every time staff slaps because it can destroy a meter of solid rock or melt down naquadah alloys or power the stargate to call another galaxy😅
@@Percebob second episode of first season. Glider is used to deploy the rings down and beam up Apophis and Daniel's wife. The show autors later decided that they needed the craft to be able to space the cargo it beams up inside it, BUT 1)darts in Atlantis don't and they weren't retconned out; 2)when Death Glider is being used in conjunction with its mothership, I don't see the logical problem with glider not having space inside or "memory storage" - it's just a transmitter used by mothership. I guess it presented the same problem to writers, giving Goa'uld an IFV to completly abuse SG-1 in terms of mobility. So they immediately retconned it out. Or rather tried. Don't see the contradiction outside impacting tauri plot armor=still canon😂
I just started re watching SG1. In the pilot there is a death glider that is clearly a personnel transport. Is it a one off or is just a ship that isn't used much and I don't remember from watching SG1 before?
hi, been a viewer of this channel for some time and was wondering if you lot can do ships from killzone like the Helgast/ISA cruisers and the andromeda ascendant from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. thanks
I have a question that y'all might be able to answer: “Do Al'Kesh have bathrooms?” We've seen every square inch of a Tel'tak and it doesn't seem to have a bathroom. I have no doubt that a Ha'tak has bathrooms. But what about an Al'Kesh?
1:22 Are you sure that length of 35 meters make sense? That's the size I'd give a Tel'Tak. Also, what's "Manufacturer: Up to 50" about? EDIT: Seems the figure was lifted from an 'official' source that's known to be inaccurate. Some people consider it canon, but the highest example of canon is still the show and that thing is way damn longer than 35 meters. Even official sources can be wrong.
Each System Lord made their own ships. Collectively over the millennia along with the rise and fall of different Lords, there were up to 50 different manufacturers.
@@axelord4ever If you look at the specs of the Hercules and compare it to the Al'kesh, I think you'll see that it makes sense to list the Al'kesh as 35 meters long and 27 meters tall, especially when you take into account the extra equipment it had to haul for the Jaffa, the ring transporter, the hyperdrive along with the sublights and most importantly, the life support system which would restrict the total amount of people to carry. Something the Hercules doesn't.
Always wondered where the Goa'uld got their ships. Never saw a world or Space Dock with the infrastructure to build anything more advanced the a Canoe.
I don't think the plot ever took us to a Goa'uld shipyard. Assaulting major facilities like that, with their no-doubt impressive defenses, was not a good idea for our heroes.
When they had superpowers they raided a world with a shipyard.heavy fixed defenses at the gate. They had a wide shot of a mothership being built atop a pyramid.
That's because they dreamed their ships into existence. We see pyramid ships being built by heru'ur, and Ba'als new prototype ship. In both cases they are using advanced gravidic methods and nano technology to make their ships. I haven't wondered where a galactic empire like the gou'ald get their ships from, they obviously had to make them, or they wouldn't have them.
It's design a ground assault vehicle shows strongly in the location of the bridge and the weaponry. All the people you're mad at are supposed to be below you and thus not in a position to fire on the bridge. Gun enplacements away from what's being fired were apparently not concidered and thus not planned for as, well, the Tau'ri have a lot more experience at war than the folks the goa'uld generally fight. Jaffa subduing a world doesn't count and System-lord vs. System-lord struggles likely have more than a bit of the ceramonial about it. Anyway, the goa'uld seem to prefer to win through subversion and absorbsion than forcing a surrender. The actual violence is only there to test that subversion of the other side's troops and the control you have over your own troops in which case, being able to destroy a vessle that's been compromised is a definate plus. Granted, fighting tok'ra is a different thing. Here, they're stacking above a supposedly hidden base and bombing it to hell. The tok'ra they RESPECT as a danger to themselves as a community In terms of near-planet or free-space combat? That's what hataks are for. With this design, however, you can sneak around the edge of the hataks shooting at each other, get as close as you dare and fire while turning away so you can GET away. You're not a flying gun, you're a troop carrier. Not landing isn't helpful to many people on your side. That's the job of the death-gliders. I wonder what they used the pyramid point at the top for. The smaller shuttle too.
@@Mr.Agateophile. Considering that a Tel tak has one and it's about 1/8 the size or smaller, I would have to give the totally scientific answer of "an amount so small it's negligible"
It’s so odd that this one design has the visible engine bells well every other Goa’uld ship doesn’t. I mean you would think the Tel’tak or the death gliders would. Same for the plasma blasts. The turrets are cool but shouldn’t the Ha’taks have those?
Tel'Tak's were Cute and Versatile but honestly , just too Small . Ha'Tak's were just plain Weird . Deadly , but weird . The Al'kesh's looked GOOD , more like you would recognise as a Ship/Boat , and performed well . Sort of like the VCX-100 of Goa'Uld space .
I think the size of the windows on the command deck is what they're using as size comparison to the Tel'tac. As for the size, it would be comparable to the C-130 Hercules. Your 70 meters is near the size of the C-5 Galaxy. You really think the Al'kesh is as big as a Galaxy?
@@harlankovacs6276 Keep in mind that most of those shots were with the Al'kesh zipping around the _Prometheus,_ not flying in formation or in proper perspective. I suppose they could look that way, and they weren't exactly holding to exacting accuracy of scale. If 70 meters is your headcannon, good on ya. Technically the _Prometheus_ is 195 meters and some six times the length of the Al'kesh per the Wiki (dubious I know.)
You are correct. They keep using the magazine sizes. At about 1:45 we see the true size of the alkesh. Same as the Prometheus and the BC 304 respectively. Both of those are vastly bigger than the stated sizes on these videos. 550m and 680m for them both. With a hatak being just over 800m in length at its widest point.
I never liked the Al'kesh. As a bomber (against groundtroops) or bigger carco ship it will do its job. But its underarmed if you want to fight othervships. At least I see it this way :)
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would you be willing to assist in something?
i am trying to get orthographic designs of all of the ships to make them in minecraft
i would need a top/bottom/back/front/right/left presentation of the ships with each image being equal to the other with length width and height, with each pixel being equated to one meter atleast......in truth, the larger, the better, so, if each meter took more pixels, better, 5 pixels per meter would be great
if you are willing to assist, please let me know, as, there would also be the issue of color.....all in different shades of grey including the background would be difficult to use
Showing even the System Lords could be practical from time to time.
Makes you wonder what the design looked like during development and testing... and what Goa'uld was sensible enough to refine out most of the propagandistic elements and questionable aesthetics...
Just don’t try to destroy one as you’re about to cross through a stargate. Other wise it might crash into it and explode causing you to be trapped in the stargate buffer that you’re travelling to.
Well obviously. 😜
Indeed
No need to worry if the receiving gate has a functional DHD, as it will supply the gate with power to make sure everything gets reassembled properly.
But if one doesn't know if there's a functional DHD on the other end, then that is certainly something to be concerned about.
Good episode, one of many good episodes
funny thing about that tho, it means an alkesh has more destructive power then a meteor heating a gate directly.
The classic blunder! Second only to starting a land war in Asia.
I doubt there are many who will say the Al'kesh is their favourite ship, but the ship was built to fill a role that wouldn't be filled otherwise, and it did that job very, very well, even being versatile enough to perform other tasks outside its usual duties.
Honestly out of all the Goa’uld ships I’d say it was the best and most well suited to it’s intended role
I always felt that it would make a good 'hero ship', with a few advanced modifications of course.
Plenty of bounty hunters and other rogues could get ahold of one, especially after the System Lords fell.
Well, I will say that Al'kesh is my favourite Stargate ship. If I could get any ship from the franchise, that would be it.
@@jbz4788 The hatak is probably the best designed warship in the franchise. It can rotate in its axis whilst having 360 fire from over and under the ship, and can circle another ship whilst doing that.
@@nihilityjoey There are some glaring flaws with Ha’tak design such as the massive internal negative space from its need to land on a pyramid (when any flat surface should suffice) which could be used for more generators or death gliders (or simply made the ship smaller and harder to hit). And the fact things can just be tossed into the shield generators from several decks above.
But yes it’s firing arcs are top notch.
How to make this same design practical even in harder sci-fi?
Reinforce the bridge, add secondary command post, add two extra turrets on "pyramid" sides to allow it to have no blind spots and at the same time lay whole 6 staff cannons onto the same target in front of it.
Now you can paint it beige and sell as transport in Elite: Dangerous.
agreed only have one turret on a ship that size is not practical in combat
As colonel jack O'Neill once put it. Goa'uld technology is designed to inflict terror on subjugated populations kept at a barely medieval state. Not to actually be practical in warfare.
Which he so handily demonstrated by eviscerating a log target with a p90
@@epicstyle1000 hell flatten the top and add a extra turret their to and you have 360 firing arcs and can bring atleast 4 staff cannons onto the same target no matter where it is and 8 at targets in front or behind
But why? It's basically an APC with optional heavy armaments. You could easily view this as basically a Striker apc with an autocannon/tow mount. Add all of that and it's going to be far more expensive. They'd be better off making an entirely new ship.
Remember, without shields it doesn't matter where they hit you most of the time. Stargate weapons are immensely powerful compared to a lot of scifi, just not very accurate or heavily militarized.
For the Goa'uld's purposes, where war is very rare and terror bombing of civilians without destroying them too much is important, this works just fine. In a situation where the shields are down and they need more turrets, they're already far outside any normal usage of the vessel. It's kind of like an A-10, usage-wise. While it CAN do other things, it's main purpose is to destroy relatively undefended enemies, not to contest peer enemy forces. And also to move troops and cargo, which it does better than its little sibling. It's just expensive because of the size, which arguably is an even better reason for it to fulfill multiple roles.
@@thelordofcringe reinforcing the bridge and adding 3 more turrets would not cost too much. if it is only to the level to counter handheld weapons like staff cannons or missiles the turrets just make it better as a gun ship and more effective in space
The Al'Kesh is my favorite goa'uld ship in the series. It's size an shape just makes me like it for some reason.
I. Any future set Stargate I'd love to a human version of this ship (general bomber transport)jack of all trades just happens to have an intergalactic hyperdrive
One was also used by O'Neill and Teal'c because they got so bored of the Stargate being offline and decided to steal the ship instead.
they did really tick all the boxes to make a practical utility ship. didn't give it too much thought when watching the show, but i appreciate it a lot more now
Never did I think I'd hear someone describe a Goa'uld ship as a "practical design", but it makes sense here.
Always love stargate content. Really hope Brad Wright can get the series back up after his recent pitch to Amazon.
I hope not. It's great as it is.
Well i would have liked a decent PC game.
I thought he said it was a no go because they wanted full creative control so it would have been gates of power lol
@@Transgender-ProphetMohammed The best you'll find are mods to strategy games like Sins of a Solar Empire and Star Wars: Empire at War
Not gonna happen. Flapazon will destroy Stargate when they'll eventually start a new show. Writers today are incapable of actually writing. I mean, look what they did with Foundation. I mean, for crying out loud, that's a cornerstone of modern SciFi as we know it. One of the pantheons of SciFi that any SciFi fan should read through at least once in their life... and apart from making it look good, big deal these days, they absolutely butchered the plot. Like took a freaking RPG to the task of unclogging a toilet levels of bad. Do not get me wrong, the plot of Foundation as is, wasn't something one can put on screen. There's some things that would not survive, but what Amazon did was just heinous.
Always a good day when SD covers SG (the Best ships of any SF franchise)
The biggest weakness of the Al'kesh is the death glider. Lot's of people are saying the Al'kesh is lacking direct fire weapons, but that's not its job. In a proper war, that ship should have fighters escorting it. But, the death glider lacks a hyperdrive for *practical* inter-system travel, and is overall underwhelming once up against near-peer threats.
If the Al'kesh had a complementing fighter that could keep up with it, it would be able to function as a medium range bomber. Unfortunately, Gua'uld fighters are launched from a mothership and if you have one of those, you don't need the Al'kesh.
So ironically the Al'kesh becomes the single most useful ship to everybody who *isn't* aligned with the Gua'uld and is actually pretty useless to the faction that actually makes them.
They're not terribly useful in an offensive war, perhaps. That isn't what Goa'uld spent most of their attention on. A single Al'kesh can end a slave rebellion by itself. Also, it does have direct fire weapons in that underslung turret. I doubt it would have trouble taking down a couple rebellious Jaffa who'd stolen death gliders, even without escort gliders of its own. If you, as a Goa'uld, hear about some sort of uprising, you can likely send an Al'kesh and stop it before it even gets going.
I'd like to suggest that in terms of goa'uld vs. goa'uld violence, they tend to like to win by subterfuge and conversion. That is, they like to create turncoats in their oppant's forces who they can then use to win in battle. the actual violence is to test your subversion of your enemy's troops and your control over your own. As such, having a bridge you can destroy in your support vehicle is a nice way to take care of a of a turncoat.
@@reliantncc1864 This is always worth remembering when analyzing Goa'uld weaponry: actual tactical effectiveness always came second to the ability to shock and awe victims or rebels with demonstrations of overkill and horror.
It's always nice to see Stargate content !
I dont think the size is too small: This would put it comparable to a C-130H Hercules and if you look up the specs, and remember this is a lifting body design spaceship with extra equipment and a life support system that wouldn't be needed for a Hercules, it makes sense.
Lifting body design? I don't think any part of this ship (or almost any other in Stargate) is actually trying to get aerodynamic lift. Their sci-fi engines can lift them from ground to orbit without any use of aerodynamics. I do agree it's not too small, and its vastly greater volume-dimensions ratio gives it far better capacity for systems and cargo. Also, unlike the Hercules, it has significant offensive and defensive armament.
This is basically the sci-fi version of a WW2 flying boat like the PBY. Long-ranged multi-purpose craft, capable of doing a bit of everything, and so versatile that they remained in use LONG after the conflict they were built for.
I would be so bold to tell that most people didn't like the Al'Kesh ship and well I can say that it looks unique enough to be checked under the hood and it didn't disappoint this old starship lover.
Man I love that you have the Battlezone II: Combat Commander music in your videos! Also more Stargate love? Yes please.
Didn’t anyone think this class of ship was very under armed?
It wasn't meant to be operating as a lone armoured cruiser, but under escort with gliders or part of a fleet. Plus it's hyperdrive would allow it to run quite quickly from danger. I'd liken it more close to late 19th century protected cruisers: Transports or unarmored ships with smaller gun platforms added to allow for commerce raiding/self protection while making deliveries/clearing areas at distant regions of minor assets that would be overkill to use heavy cruisers/battlecruisers/battleships.
It was created to instill terror in underdeveloped worlds, via its presence or troops
@@mrevp 3 shifts of 4 Jaffa work out nicely for longer missions
It was designed as essentially a policing/mob suppression vehicle not a ship to ship slugger. While used in fleet actions against other ships its not ideal but works. Where it shines is unruly subjects who are technologically inferior and where the goal is to disperse not destroy.
No, I didn't. A twin turret suitable for ground/air/space targets, plus bombing capability? When you add troop-carrying capacity, it's a very effective multipurpose ship, as was clear every time SG teams had to face them.
I was trying to figure out what ship the Firestorm from Xcom i played recently reminded me off. It was this.
Should have told me you were doing this, i would have rendered out the VFX models for you and got you the right sizes haha
For those wondering, the VFX model was 69m long, 45m wide, and 25m tall.
I love ships of this size.
Stargate SG-1 was such a good show and it's such a shame it's now owned by Amazon :(
An indeed sick ship.
The Al'Kesh is the perfect "hero ship", she deserve more screen time.
I've thought that for some time as well. That the Al'Kesh could fill the "hero ship" role rather well, given the medium size, versatility, possibility for upgrades, and flexible number of crew.
Hero crew ship... Teltak is for single hero LOL
@@AKUJIVALDO in season 10 episode 3 Teal´c use a Al´kesh alone
@@7dragons7swords so? Bounty hunter used Teltak alone... Hatak can be flown by one person too... Asgard and Ancients ships can be flown by one person too...
In Teltak single person can live for long term. Or transport group of people for short time.
In Alkesh group group can live for long time. Or transport dozens/hundreds of people for short time.
I love Stargate. This is a great rundown of a ship. I look forward to more from the various Stargate series.
Always loved this thing when i was growing up. Nice multirole craft
I'd like to see Spacedock's opinion on the ships from an anime called: "Starship Operators". The series has some interesting concepts for warship design. One that was shown in the first ep was essentially a mobile railgun attached to a munitions factory. It's mode of engaging in battle is that it would attach to an asteroid and use it for raw materials to produce its ammunition to fire repeated volleys until it completely consumes said asteroid to saturate the combat area and limit its enemy's ability to close the distance to fire on them.
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One of my favourite ships in Stargate!
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v grateful for the stargate content!
I did not wake up today expecting be blessed with a SpaceDock Episode on the Al'Kesh, but I'm not about to look a gift undomesticated equine in the mouth.
Wish I had an Al'kesh but even better a Ha'tak to stroll around the galaxy and meet some aliens.
Take me in.
Yep, this is a very well thought out ship, a multi role platform
I always liked the Al'Kesh they kinda feel Like Corellian freighters
Proof that at least one goa'uld ship designer knew what they were doing
Nice. I would like more Stargate content. It feels like there is only Star Wars and Star Trek.
I'm just rewatching SG1 and atlantis ! nice plz more ^)
I’d greatly appreciate a video that compares the relative scale of technology the weapons in the “Realistic Weapons” series exist at.
How lowtech or hightech each weapon is and whether one would need to be developed before an other in sci-fi weapons development.
Comparing things like energy yield, cost of production, cost of ammunition, etc.
For example, on a scale of lowest to highest range, you have railguns, particle and dust guns, then lasers. Missiles are a variable option, as it depends on how much fuel they have and how efficient they use it.
Dear spacedock...could you make an Video about A.I...like KITT,EDI,Serina,etc
KRI JAFFA!
You heard me! I said "Kree", damnit!
Al'kesh were more more useful than the Tel'tak in almost any sense for me, the latter being better only on stealth infiltration missions, it's also my fav Goa'uld spaceship.
I have to be honest this is my favorite space ship i have no idea why there are plenty of great ships in stargate, star wars, halo, star trek, battle star galactica and farscape but this small black prymid has all ways been my favorite sifi ship no idea why.
Well, i think it was stated that all Goa'uld tech is just older ancient tech, and the ancients would have designed a versatile, adaptable ship design that could suit all their needs pretty well, and the Goa'uld just repeated the design without altering it.
Later ancient Tech like the puddle jumpers, while very utilitarian, also had that versatility, they could be used as fighters in a pinch, had enough room for cargo and personal, while having potent weapons and a cloaking device.
Though i will admit that an Al'kesh is more of a battleship configuration while a puddlejumper is a mini-van.
Damn, I miss Stargate, it was peak series at it's time... Atlantis was amazing too, maybe even better! Universe was good too but in a different way. I hope the franchise gets rebooted soon!
Got one from czech craiglist called bazoš. It's trully an amazing ship.
It's good to see the Up to 50 corporation still manufacturing!
Takes ya back!
If I was a system lord I’d definitely have a highly customized one of these as a personal transport alongside a Ha’tak. Something to take me down to the planet with more flare than the transporter rings or act as an escape shuttle.
The Al'Kesh is the perfect example of a ship that isn't "designed by plot". It was designed as a ship in a fleet. It had the kind of versatility you'd see in a "hero ship", without the crutch of being "good at everything".
The irony is that it really is defined by "the plot needs something scarier than a shuttle but more personal than a mothership."
Indeed!
Thanks for the content.
Ah yes, spcecock, my 3rd most favorite channel
Can someone tell me what the music is called that is used in this video? I see "Battlezone II Music by Carey Chico" in the description, but aftrer listening to various tracks, I don't think I've found the exact one yet.
Spacedock: when are we getting the video on... The practicality of ship size
Ah yes, the ship added because they wanted to retcon out ring glider, the ship that is important to many episodes yet barely acknowledged in others since having one carpet bomb SG-1 position before dropping in a whole group of royal Jaffa would be problematic to deal with without 1)heavy vehicle support; 2)tactical nuke; 2)retreating through the gate.
It's like that plate insert Teal'c used in first episode or every time staff slaps because it can destroy a meter of solid rock or melt down naquadah alloys or power the stargate to call another galaxy😅
Ring glider?
@@Percebob second episode of first season. Glider is used to deploy the rings down and beam up Apophis and Daniel's wife. The show autors later decided that they needed the craft to be able to space the cargo it beams up inside it, BUT 1)darts in Atlantis don't and they weren't retconned out; 2)when Death Glider is being used in conjunction with its mothership, I don't see the logical problem with glider not having space inside or "memory storage" - it's just a transmitter used by mothership. I guess it presented the same problem to writers, giving Goa'uld an IFV to completly abuse SG-1 in terms of mobility. So they immediately retconned it out. Or rather tried. Don't see the contradiction outside impacting tauri plot armor=still canon😂
I think you're a tad confused, as it was the Tel'tak cargo ship that replaced the Ring Glider, not the Al'Kesh.
@@jpTankMan I don't recall what replaced it since to me the Ring Glider is still canon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I just started re watching SG1. In the pilot there is a death glider that is clearly a personnel transport. Is it a one off or is just a ship that isn't used much and I don't remember from watching SG1 before?
I was wondering when you were going to do another Stargate video. Let me guess copyrights?
The Goa’uld!!! Love StarGate
God I love turreted weapons
hi, been a viewer of this channel for some time and was wondering if you lot can do ships from killzone like the Helgast/ISA cruisers and the andromeda ascendant from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. thanks
Thank you
Nice.
"A Goa'uld mid-range bomber." -- Teal'c
I always liked them.
Any chance of getting a video on Baran's mercenary ship from Star Trek TNG or Seven of Nine's Fenris ranger ship?
I always thought it was weird that this ship had visible engines and the other Goa'uld ships had nothing visible (perhaps gravity drives).
I have a question that y'all might be able to answer:
“Do Al'Kesh have bathrooms?”
We've seen every square inch of a Tel'tak and it doesn't seem to have a bathroom.
I have no doubt that a Ha'tak has bathrooms.
But what about an Al'Kesh?
I'm sure it does, so long as you know how to use The Three Seashells. 😉
1:22 Are you sure that length of 35 meters make sense? That's the size I'd give a Tel'Tak. Also, what's "Manufacturer: Up to 50" about?
EDIT: Seems the figure was lifted from an 'official' source that's known to be inaccurate. Some people consider it canon, but the highest example of canon is still the show and that thing is way damn longer than 35 meters. Even official sources can be wrong.
Each System Lord made their own ships. Collectively over the millennia along with the rise and fall of different Lords, there were up to 50 different manufacturers.
@@danielseelye6005 riiiiiight
Regarding the 35 meter length, that's comparable to a C-130H Hercules
@@danielseelye6005 And?
@@axelord4ever If you look at the specs of the Hercules and compare it to the Al'kesh, I think you'll see that it makes sense to list the Al'kesh as 35 meters long and 27 meters tall, especially when you take into account the extra equipment it had to haul for the Jaffa, the ring transporter, the hyperdrive along with the sublights and most importantly, the life support system which would restrict the total amount of people to carry. Something the Hercules doesn't.
Nice design
I would love me an Al'Kesh
Please make more Stargate videos!!
Always wondered where the Goa'uld got their ships. Never saw a world or Space Dock with the infrastructure to build anything more advanced the a Canoe.
I don't think the plot ever took us to a Goa'uld shipyard. Assaulting major facilities like that, with their no-doubt impressive defenses, was not a good idea for our heroes.
When they had superpowers they raided a world with a shipyard.heavy fixed defenses at the gate. They had a wide shot of a mothership being built atop a pyramid.
That's because they dreamed their ships into existence. We see pyramid ships being built by heru'ur, and Ba'als new prototype ship. In both cases they are using advanced gravidic methods and nano technology to make their ships. I haven't wondered where a galactic empire like the gou'ald get their ships from, they obviously had to make them, or they wouldn't have them.
Can you try to do the Marathon class heavy cruiser?
It's design a ground assault vehicle shows strongly in the location of the bridge and the weaponry. All the people you're mad at are supposed to be below you and thus not in a position to fire on the bridge. Gun enplacements away from what's being fired were apparently not concidered and thus not planned for as, well, the Tau'ri have a lot more experience at war than the folks the goa'uld generally fight. Jaffa subduing a world doesn't count and System-lord vs. System-lord struggles likely have more than a bit of the ceramonial about it. Anyway, the goa'uld seem to prefer to win through subversion and absorbsion than forcing a surrender. The actual violence is only there to test that subversion of the other side's troops and the control you have over your own troops in which case, being able to destroy a vessle that's been compromised is a definate plus.
Granted, fighting tok'ra is a different thing. Here, they're stacking above a supposedly hidden base and bombing it to hell. The tok'ra they RESPECT as a danger to themselves as a community
In terms of near-planet or free-space combat? That's what hataks are for. With this design, however, you can sneak around the edge of the hataks shooting at each other, get as close as you dare and fire while turning away so you can GET away. You're not a flying gun, you're a troop carrier. Not landing isn't helpful to many people on your side. That's the job of the death-gliders.
I wonder what they used the pyramid point at the top for. The smaller shuttle too.
Anyone else miss this show?
in addition to being a sexy looking ship
I wish egalmoss made one of these a model
Only 50 troops in that massive thing? It looks easily big enough to hold 100 with full kit.
In the episode "Prometheus Unbound" it had roughly 115 people on board at one time.
Well one would have to account for supplies, weapons, and other vital equipment.
@@alduintheanti-dragonborn That still wouldn't account for all the space in there. That ship is almost 6 stories tall and almost a city block around.
@@Nidhoggrr How much space does a hyperdrive take up?
@@Mr.Agateophile. Considering that a Tel tak has one and it's about 1/8 the size or smaller, I would have to give the totally scientific answer of "an amount so small it's negligible"
Talk about the civilian ships of Battlestar Galactica
Can you do a video on the destiny shuttle?
dear sspacedock over the years you have don manmy stargate ships. however there is one major ship missing. can you please do the O'Neill class
I do love me some good stargate ships
Definitely much more useful than the Death Glider.
It’s so odd that this one design has the visible engine bells well every other Goa’uld ship doesn’t. I mean you would think the Tel’tak or the death gliders would. Same for the plasma blasts. The turrets are cool but shouldn’t the Ha’taks have those?
Ha'taks do have turrets. We see them trying to shoot down an Al'kesh in its debut appearance.
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Tel'Tak's were Cute and Versatile but honestly , just too Small . Ha'Tak's were just plain Weird . Deadly , but weird .
The Al'kesh's looked GOOD , more like you would recognise as a Ship/Boat , and performed well . Sort of like the VCX-100 of Goa'Uld space .
Both the Tel'tak and Al'kesh look like flying ticks or flying fleas
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ah yes, famous alkesh, measuring 20 meters in one shot and 100 meters in other :D
For me the length of the alkesh always was closer to 70 meters than 35 .
I think the size of the windows on the command deck is what they're using as size comparison to the Tel'tac. As for the size, it would be comparable to the C-130 Hercules. Your 70 meters is near the size of the C-5 Galaxy. You really think the Al'kesh is as big as a Galaxy?
@@danielseelye6005 many views of the ship show the prometheus is 2,5 alkeshs in lenght ,so i can believe it is equivalent or superior to a Galaxy.
@@harlankovacs6276 Keep in mind that most of those shots were with the Al'kesh zipping around the _Prometheus,_ not flying in formation or in proper perspective. I suppose they could look that way, and they weren't exactly holding to exacting accuracy of scale. If 70 meters is your headcannon, good on ya. Technically the _Prometheus_ is 195 meters and some six times the length of the Al'kesh per the Wiki (dubious I know.)
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In show, I think an Al'kesh was described as one fifth the size of Prometheus.
You are correct. They keep using the magazine sizes. At about 1:45 we see the true size of the alkesh. Same as the Prometheus and the BC 304 respectively. Both of those are vastly bigger than the stated sizes on these videos. 550m and 680m for them both. With a hatak being just over 800m in length at its widest point.
5:08 what are they looking at? The ship's right above them... no wonder the Tau'ri won
Fear the moldy 3D dorito!
Al-kesh v Millennium Falcon ?...
These were criminally underused in the series. Al'kesh >>> Tel'tak imo
I never liked the Al'kesh. As a bomber (against groundtroops) or bigger carco ship it will do its job. But its underarmed if you want to fight othervships. At least I see it this way :)
Like all Goa'uld ships, it's extremely inefficient for its purpose.
If you look closely this ship almost identical touch stone communication device
Hello there
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Manufacturer: Up to 50 (?!)
Each System Lord made their own ships so it depends on how many were active at any one time.
Manufacturer: Up to 50?
Each System Lord made their own ships.
Another stargate ship covered, giving the wrong size from the magazines. This ship is way longer than 30 meters. Aka 1:45.