Stargate: USAF Prometheus | Extended Ship Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
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Hammond had 2 stars wasn't he a major General not lt.general
Imagine designing a ship based on upside down kok dik
That’s a Nice ship
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One of the best thing about Stargate was seeing the technological evolution of the Tau'ri. Before the Prometheus was built, we saw the SGC find naquadah and trinium mines on other planets, steal Goa'uld ships to analyze their technology, and even being gifted some components from the Asgard for helping them. Seeing the Prometheus take off for the first time in season 6 was the culmination of a great adventure, and it makes this ship even better.
Yup. Unlike today's shows where they pull stuff out of their arses. They created their lore and technology as they go.
They really nailed a very fine line between long-form plots where you have to watch every episode, in order, just to know what's going on, and a completely detached, episodic format where the adventures are mostly just loosely-connected short stories. Stargate had it both ways: most episodes are kind of one-offs that someone new to the series can jump into it almost wherever they want, but there is enough continuity for fans who are more invested to tell where almost any given ep fits into the overall timeline.
@@N1lav rewatch Stargate(starting with the movie) and you'd lose those pink nostalgia glasses. A lot of techs are one episode gimmicks that never reappear even(or rather especially because) if they would resolve the problem of new episode.
@@tba113 every season had a central plot that around half the episodes moved forward well the other half where stand alone. Mostly a big bad every season Apophisis season 1, Anubis season 6, the ori season 9 Adria and the Ori invasion season 10 etc etc.
@@TheArklyte They deal with that diegetically: Area 51. There are several episodes where they actually go into that, bringing back some of those "OP" tech devices showing them being stored / tested / reverse engineered at Area 51.
I think the biggest and perhaps only example of an OP tech that really gets swept under the rug is the Zat's 3rd shot disintegrate feature. But that was introduced early in the show before they even knew if they'd have a show. They hang a comedic lantern on it in later episodes.
I still remember how well they did the reveal for the ship. By calling it the X-303, the audience were naturally expecting just something along the lines of a more advanced fighter craft, so the full scale of it when it was finally shown was a real treat.
I remember. As it came out of the hidden hangar, it just kept going. It was a great reveal.
I really loved how SG1 imagined the Prometheus as very much as a pathfinder design for different acquired technologies. It never really worked like they hoped, but it's evolution in the show laid out a believable path for the USAF to learn from it's flaws and eventually build the Daedalus class.
I love the Prometheus - it really does look and feel like humanity’s first attempt at a bona fide starship. Kudos to the designers!
I’d like it as a personal ship if it was a thing tbh
Even with the whole it's like a naval ship as they haven't quite advanced enough or tested enough
It's chunky. It's inelegant. It feels exactly like something the navy/airforce WOULD build, and while it is outgunned it isn't helpless, and while there is a technology gap it's... surprisingly small, and mostly being a matter of powerplants, with humanity squeezing what they can out of such a small power core due to ditching the ostentatious 'temple ship' concept and going for something more reminiscent of a submarine.
@@singletona082 it is a brute force solution to an immediate problem. You can see some of the refinement in the Daedalus class, but even that is still brute force. If they were to have an off world shipyard, then they could actually do the refinements to the designs and make bigger and better ships to take on all challengers.
@@hokutoulrik7345 Indeed. It's ugly. Inelegant. However it absolutely feels RIGHT designwise.
Ooooo! As someone who only watched Stargate for the first time last year and watched your old videos on it I was wondering if the 303 would get a new video! Great stuff as always!
The BC-304 is one of my favorite starship designs.
Indeed!
What does the BC stand for?
@@jaystarr6571 battle cruiser
@@k.a.p.x3642 thx.
The destruction of the Prometheus is still one of my "favourite" ship destruction scenes. It's so...slow and painful. Just one final beam, secondary explosions, creaking metal, one last look at her commander, silence...and then the big ol' explosion. o7
Absolutely. Second to that, for me, is the destruction of the Defiant on DS9.
And a lesson on having proper damage control...
"...We need to bypass this circuit! Rather than have a competent team already on hand to do it, let's waste several minutes clambering down from the bridge so we can get to fix it ourselves!"
It might be one of your favorite ship-destruction scenes, but it still ranks low on the realism scale. The concept of a ship exploding when destroyed is based on wooden sailing ships with gunpowder magazines being detonated by fires. A spacecraft would not behave that way. It would crack apart and experience local depressurization blowouts, but even with nuclear weapons onboard it wouldn't explode, because nuclear weapons only explode when intentionally detonated in a very specific way -- haphazard explosions nearby won't do the trick.
Having said that, the only realistic ship-destruction scene I've ever seen was in Firefly when the IAV Dortmunder destroyed a private ship that had been overrun by Reavers. Everyone else goes for the Big Kaboom for visual entertainment.
@Shawn Elliott they have Naquada and its even more unstable cousin variant. Which for the Naquada was built into every part of the ship and the MK VIII and IX on board would blow up because of the enhanced nature using unstable minerals.
@@deusexaethera Considering that the beam hit right in the section with missile pods, I'd say the big boom which separated the ship was plausible.
The introduction of that ship also changed the game in the show dramatically - with Earth no longer just confined to the Stargate network. And they did a great job pacing it's introduction and the eventual successors (which, I am sorry but I must admit, I do *love* the BC-404 design far more, particularly as an evolution on a prototype design) and how they began to change the dynamic of Earth's role in the galaxy and their capabilities. It's a shame they ended when they did, as it felt like the show was beginning to pick up into a place where the Tau'ri would be a major galactic power among several peers and possibly verging on having the gate program go public as increasing numbers of countries began getting their own 304s. I'm also sad we never got to see an F-305 or a BC-306. Maybe someday.
The planed third SG1 movie was about the gate network going public
I think there was Talks for a New stargate series made by amazon.
But i'm not sure.
@ Quinn, nice piece you have written. I'm sad we never got to meet the Furlings.
There’s a fanfiction story that crosses Stargate with the original XCOM game (by original I mean the one made in the 90s, not the remake). In it there’s a mention of a BC-305 (or 306, can’t remember) laying waste to the Aschen homeworld in an alternate future. The ship appears to use much of the tech discovered in both galaxies (including being powered by that system-destroying reactor McKay tried to tame) because the Aschen were being… well, the Aschen. This time it was the Aschen sending a message back to tell their past selves not to fuck with XCOM
BC-404 not found!
Just kidding.
“We can’t call it the Enterprise.” - Sam Carter
WHY NOT?!
@@spartan078ben because the navy already have that one
@@moprooduhad
Still feel like one of the 304s should have been named Pendergast to honour the commander of the Prometheus.
Seconded. New series should have the USS Pendergast
Gotta appreciate how each Tau’ri cruiser looks like it’s based on the technology that most influenced its design. The X-303 looked Goa’uld in its blocky and tower oriented structure, the 304’s looked more Asgard in their wide frame and wing like hangar set up. Who knows, maybe the 305 might look Ancient in nature?
Would it look like an aurora class or more like destiny? I always like the look of the Asuran cruiser, the one that looks like a puddle jumper on steroids, looks so menacing and mean. A 306 could be modeled after atlantis but then there'd be a risk of falling into the same trap as the goa'uld, taking everyone else's technology,
@@t3h51d3w1nd3r i don't think it will be like Atlantis. And to remember Goaulds technology was disregarded mostly after getting Asgard Tech. And now they have Atlantis database for research. It will be more like Ancient-Asgard mix of tech with constantly increasing ancient part in it. And i feel more like towards Destiny military design since city isn't really required now. Earth is in dare need of fleet, not in flying cities. It's not like StarTrek "We will bring peace" more like ordinary "We will make peace... Believe me you better to...!"
I think the other 30x ships would be more specialized designs. Both the 303 and the 304 are do-anything battlestar-like capital ships that could act as carriers, duke it out with other capital ships in a slugfest, transport cargo, personnel, etc... but after the success of the 304, Homeworld Command doesn't really need another one of that type, at least not for a while.
So the 305 might be a smaller cargo / troop transport, kind of like the Tel'tak (but of course armed with at least a few railguns and better shields, because it's a Tau'ri ship after all).
The 306 might be a dedicated carrier with an enormous through-deck hangar capable of carrying dozens of fighters (and maybe even the aforementioned 305 could fit inside) but somewhat lighter armaments than the 304.
307 might be a destroyer, kind of like Homeworld Command's version of the Defiant. Basically a pair of Asgard plasma beams (and some railguns and missiles) strapped to an engine.
308 could be a bomber / gunship specifically for supporting ground troops in situations where sending a 304 would be overkill.
And finally the 309 might be a human-made puddlejumper (of course armed with A2A and A2G missiles and railguns, without retracting engine pods, and built with a shield). Possibly with a swappable mission module in the back.
Then when they have a full array of vessels, they can start pushing upgrades to these in the 31x series (with the 311 being a Tau'ri needle-threader, and the 313 maybe a dedicated missile cruiser with extended missile magazines instead of hangars).
@ this numbering "scheme" completely ignore US air numbering precedent (cargo ships gets a C prefix, fighters get F, bombers get B, attack aircraft get A; multi-role planes get a two-character combination), and *REALLY* ignores Navy ship numbering.
I like the name. The myth is basically a cautionary tale about not crossing the gods but humanity took the myth about the guy being brutally tortured for stealing the gods knowledge for humanity and slapped it on the ship they used to fight the self proclaimed gods like a giant metaphorical middle finger to the goluld
kinda like in the movie "Sunshine" a ship designed to travel to the surface of the Sun was named Icarus.
Hell yeeees! I knew the Greek connection, but the metaphorical middle finger is straight-up awesome!
I can't believe I never made that connection!
The thing that I like about Prometheus was that the show itself admitted that it was kind of meh jack of all trades ship that was mostly just a prototype/technology testing testbed. It was not a warship due to its weak armament and rather vulnerable design and yet was used as one,
It wasn't a carrier due to having very small flight hangars for dozen craft at best with no extra facilities for maintenance, training and housing pilot crews and yet it was used as carrier,
it wasn't a troop transport or drop ship due to lack of internal space, a sense of reentry capsules and rather lacking design of loading compartment and ramps and yet it still had to do.
It wasn't Serenity or Bebop, but it still marked the part in the show where Earth had to improvise and make do and not the part where everybody else opposing USAF starting to roll up dead to their knees be it Goa'uld, Azurans, Replicators, Ancients or Ori.
And the lessons learned showed in the daedalas class ships.
@@singletona082 ehm... no, no it didn't. Daedalus class operated solely on plot armor with "Asgard gave us all their tech and then killed themselves off because writers didn't want to use them further".
It didn't fix either of drawbacks I've mentioned. Prometheus had excuse for that, Daedalus and ships that followed it didn't:(
@@TheArklyte The asgard dying off that way made no sense. They could go to an older DNA body? For that matter the concept of copy of a copy makes no sense.
@@icecold9511 the dumbest part isn't just their pointless mass suicide, but that for Atlantis writers ignore it and reintroduce Asgard in the form of "completely new and original, do not steal" Vanir for a short plot "reveal" just like they do with Goa'uld remnants/splinters all the time.
@@singletona082
to elaborate further on what I've said, Daedalus can't be a good:
1)battleship since hull form didn't change. There are a lot of blind zones, the hull is not optimized for reserve systems and they are too afraid to invest tech into their main armament ie ICBM sized torpedoes. Irl ICBM has higher budget priority then even the best fighter plane. In Stargate they don't equip their torps with either shields or hyperdrives. Which leads to dumb situations like in Atlantis;
2)carrier because it has very small strike craft complement, lacks specialization of said strike craft into scouts, fighters, bombers, attackers and interceptors, lacks expanded crew quarters and training facilities, lacks onboard production facilities to produce ammo and components for strike craft, lacks an ability to rearm and refuel strike craft on the fly or outside ie tankers, doesn't have secondary flight control bridge;
3)support vessel/FOB because it lacks extended shuttle bays, lacks shuttles that would allow to lift cargo and vehicles, lacks onboard Stargate to connect to SGC for resupply, lacks space for vehicles and extra crew.
Daedalus fixed nothing. It remained "jack of *no* trades", but this time without excuse.
I never really cared for the design of the Prometheus. Compared to the streamlined BC-304s, it just looks like a blocky mess of ugly. Got the job done, but it was always an eyesore.
That was probably the idea.
I totally agree, but I kind of like the idea that Humanity's first space warship looks so ugly. It also fits with the fact that the Prometheus was very much a prototype/testbed and had a lot of operational issues. It looks ugly because it is ugly
Yeah it's ugly but I like that. It's a good way to show that humans were just feeling out how to put these types of ships together. The next generation of ships being bigger and sleeker really makes the point of just how experimental this first ship was.
I think it also looked like a clumsy attempt to emulate the Asgard ships, which were probably a big inspiration and aspirational goal to the in-universe designers.
I mean I totally agree the prometheus is pretty current compared to the BC304 but that's really part of the charm because it's the first design and it represents the real growing pains of ship design. The bc304 represents all the lessons learned from this first crude attempt which considering the prometheus capbilites as a space vessel is a great start all things considering.
While I think that the _Daedalus_ is a much sexier design, I have a special place in my heart for the _Prometheus_. And the shot of it swooping in over Antarctica leading a wing of F-302s is probably the most triumphant moment in the entire franchise.
So now we know where all the $ trillions supposedly spent on the F-35 really went.
I love that we see every step of human technology evolving from the SG-1 pilot to the end of SGU. It's rare in scifi for the status quo to be so different over the course of a franchise.
Loved the design and evolution of the BC-303. It looked, and usually functioned, like the prototype it was. Only thing I feel they could have improved on would be the 303 kicking off a process that would lead to the gates becoming public. IMO, the construction of an interstellar battle cruiser, when combined with all the other off world tech, would require too much secrecy from too many people and too many groups to keep it secret. Its even more egregious when they're building multiple 304s and funding expeditions in Pegasus. Any future SG show should have the SGC being made public.
I think the fact that the other major nations being in on the secret helped a lot with that. Covering for each other when needed.
@@dawgman6654 Man, that just expands the number of people 'in the know', making it even harder to keep it secret.
Brad Wright, writer and producer of SG-1, actually wants to address this.
He says that one of the ideas he has for a new Stargate series (assuming Amazon greenlights it) would involve the Gate being public knowledge.
The X-303 is one of my favourite ships in Stargate (apart from the Ha'tak). Hopefully it will appear on the Hero website so I can buy it.
i prefer the ha'tak but all stargate models have been out of stock
@@AgentK-im8ke I've been trying to buy the Ha'tak in Europe (where I'm from) and I don't think it's ever been in stock.
So today I asked the support on any ETA, but they didn't know anything.
I know there are some models on etsy but most are really expensive or uncoloured 3d prints.
@@lordjuhca I’m from EU too it was in stock but but no longer
@@AgentK-im8ke Welp. I hope it comes in stock some day :)
@@lordjuhca yep me too
Great job ! I awlays loved the Militar style of the prometheus ! :)
I absolutely LOVE this sort of lore about the Tau'ri in Stargate. Every single advancement in humanity's technology is __EARNED__ with nothing just handed to them. They had standard FN P90s and typical handguns. They learned, they developed, they reverse-engineered captured tech, they made alliances and it all took a reasonable amount of time.
By the time Earth took down the Goa'uld, it felt legit that Earth _could_ take down the Goa'uld. Earth tech now actually outpaced the Goa'uld's (partly because the Goa'uld stagnated after seizing/reverse-engineering what Alteran tech they could, and partly because the Goa'uld never really came together in force against Earth until we had the means to fend off attack thanks to their society and some plot armor…)
There are ways Stargate is technically deficient (fighters in space move like they're planes for example), but the worldbuilding is not one of them.
well thats the thing though, despite everything earth never actually took down the goa'uld. it was the replicators who defeated them in the end.
They definitely didn't earn anything which is one thing I hate about the show. How do you go from a bunch of people barely capable of going to the moon to owning God-like technology in less than 20 years?
Look at what fuels technological advances, war. War is the best source of technological advance. They also had help from more advanced races to boost their program along.
@Imaboss8ball
Note: the hangars were originally the hyperdrive cells, pre-refit.
Yes! Love all Stargate content, the more the better!
Indeed!
Wish the size specs were correct...
If it was that small it couldnt fit one f302, let alone 8...
The actaul vfx model size is, Length - 520m, Width - 250m, Height - 180m (175m not inc the antenna)
And thats the size its shown at in the vfx shots.
Yup, then the 304 is 732 meters
@@stargatecommand714 Exactly. I did a whole thing about it that BaronDestructo shared all over the place. But no one wants to hear it lol
Show runners confirmed this too
@@Spinobreaker oh, it's you!
I still want to see some Space: Above and Beyond love… 🙂 The Hammerhead is an interesting craft, and the attention to some of the detail of naval strategy in the show was relatively unique for the show's age.
Kinda wanna see a breakdown of the Fan made human ships from stargate. Especially the Excalibur class.
Or the skorpion (scorpion?) asault ship.
I love that thing.
Its pretty much a human made puddle jumper
The 40k Dawn of War music is welcomed but feels a bit weird.
I truely adore the Prometheus. It's blocky but sleek at the same time. It looks like a spaceship. It looks cobbled together. The design team that created her did a fantastic job. I honestly cried when she was destroyed
This video just as I been binge watching all seasons of SG1! GREAT timing
I thought at some point they mentioned that the Prometheus was built using the unfinished ship that was recovered in the episode Nightwalkers. I suppose at the very least they may have scavenged parts from that vessel to incorporate into the Prometheus. It could also explain why there weren’t any additional of the class built as well.
Prometheus remains one of my favourite spaceships. Because it looks so human built, it’s not pretty, and I love that for it.
Also O'Neill wanted to name it "Enterprise"
The Prometheus never have Goa´uld shields, and the most important fact
SHE WAS STOLEN 3 TIMES KKKKKKKK
The Homeworld Comand needs better security kkkkkkkkkk
The BC-304 is my fav ship, the BC-303 looks way too phallic, im happy they didn't go that route for the rest of the show
Well if you hink about it it's the first crude but functional attempt to make viable spaceship it has its charms in that regard were if that was our first attempt then it's pretty good start all things considering
@@808INFantry11X im not saying I wasn't happy they went with such a big ship for the series im thinking the 303s design seems very weird, like we don't have a predecessor to see the reasons for the 303 design like we can see with the 303 to 304
The 304 is more sleek and seems betther thought out. The 303 had two engines while the 304 has more engines in a more distributed array, rhe bridge is also lower and closer to the center of mass and you can see an overall increase in "aerodynamics" and something less boxy
@@nahuelleandroarroyo Yeah the 304 just has a much more tough brawler type look, like it can dish out as much as it can take over the 303 imo
@@nahuelleandroarroyo I get that but you got appreciate what it represents its crude but it represents the first real functional design for earth. It's the first ship capable of interstellar travel, intergalactic travel and let's not forget the most important thing for us humans gravity. Already those 2 qualities make it a really good start considering.
As a functional prototype, the Prometheus was an incredible feat of engineering. And the design aesthetic behind it inspired all of the Tau'ri ship designs to follow (esp the Daedalus class).
I'm glad that Stargate took the show "there". Meaning they allowed the Stargate program to actually show "fruit" in terms of technological advance. They didn't just try to keep the universe static with what worked in the first few seasons, but adapted and expanded to show progress. They did struggle a bit with the power curve, tho, and started to shift the show away from the people and more towards the plot and the drama. Anywho - great video, and great rundown on the Prometheus!
They designed and build a functional prototype of an FTL starship in less than a decade, and depending on when they started with the development either less than eight (movie) or less than five years (Season 1 of SG1).
And they did so in secret, until the NID tried to steal it. (I'll never buy the "rogue agent" excuse they gave. Every operation of "rogue agents" was fully supported by them)
That's less time than it takes to built a Geralt R. Ford-class aircraft carrier! (And that was "just an update" to the already existing Nimitz-Class)
@@Tezunegari Yes, but while some components were outsourced, the construction of the Prometheus itself was kept in-house. Cut out the capitalist middle man and you can save a lot of time and money ;) Nevermind the possibilities for construction to be accelerated using some of the advanced alien tech they'd reverse-engineered.
Also, it's entertainment, I'm not gonna fault them for speeding up a construction timeline to give the fans something cool.
@@pufthemajicdragon
The US military heavily relies on the capitalist middle men because it has no in-house capabilities. The whole military industrial complex exists for a reason.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the US, once motivated enough, could pull it off.
Really, the implication is that they have really good vetting processes (except perhaps the NID with all those rogue agents).
Can someone please tell me why does the united states air force has space ships and the united states navy doesn't have any of them?
The biggest problem with the Prometheus was obviously that it looked horrible. Luckily the designers were able to fix that flaw in the Dedalus.
Glad it got replaced by the Daedalus class. Those are some sexy ships, while this is bleugh
Well I love the deadalus class one of my top 10 favorite ships I owe much gratitude to the Prometheus for making the design possible
Dawn of War Space Marine theme on a Stargate Ship. Hmmm... yeah, it checks out.
Love that episode ! such a nice design of a ship. Isn't the ambient music around 0:40 to 0:50 from the first Dawn of War game ?
Yeah, they're using the Space Marines DoW theme for the whole video (kinda fitting)
I guess THQ are not going to claim copyright 😏
Is that music from Warhammer 40k - Dawn of War ?! Ah, good memories.
I always liked the Prometheus class. The designers did a good job of making it look like a serious effort by the US Air Force to play with the big boys despite being thousands of years behind the learning curve.
Ah yes “rogue” NID agents. We have dismissed this claim.
“Sir, we’re not going to name it Enterprise.”
“It’s a Greek tragedy!”
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The Prometheus was a ship unlike any other. It showed Earth's growth.
So.. is gould space full of death gliders on auto pilot to homeworlds now liberated?
If the Stargate program went public. Hopefully Earth would turn into the Hebridan like civilization so that we build this in an assembly lines.
It's so ugly
Could you possibly answer this question: what’s the effective firing range of the rail guns in The Expanse?
We know 1,000km is basically point blank for them, with no time for an enemy to react.
Theoritically it is *INFINTE* because out in space Newton's Third Law is the biggest son of a bitch. " Objects in motion stay in motion until acted by an external force ".
TLDR; Those slugs will hit someone somewhere and give them a bad day.
This also applies to the PDC bullets.
There is no air in space so its infinite but the enemy has more time to move.
@@N1lav I know they’ll go on until they hit something. But I’m talking about actively trying to shot a ship in a combat scenario. Like is 10,000km too far because the enemy has time to react?
@@jimmyryan5880 I know the slugs will keep going. I’m talking like if the ship is 10,000km away does that distance give the target enough time to evade completely, or can you still lead it. If I remember right the ships in The Expanse can’t stop on a dime and can only turn so hard before you pass out.
What would you define as effective? If you simply mean the ability to hit a target and do damage their range is in practical terms limitless as once you have fired the projectile its velocity, and thus damage potential, will remain unchanged unless acted upon by a large bodies gravity or atmosphere. The suns radiation, interstellar gas, and 'cosmic wind' will all have an effect on the projectile over astronomical distances but unless you are trying to hit another planet in the local cluster this isn't really a concern.
If you mean in ship to ship combat then you are limited by the enemies capability to maneuver and react. We don't know the Expanse railgun velocities but on Earth we tend to fire prototypes at 2-3km/s to find a balance between barrel wear and kinetic energy. That means anything within 2-3km will be hit within a second - so if you are firing at a ship completely controlled by a human you would have a high certainty of hit within that range envelope. There is the caveat that the average human reaction time is 250ms so assuming they detect and are alerted to the shot, and their ship is sufficiently mobile/responsive, they may be able to have effect on the point of impact of the shot by attempting maneuvers.
A computer can react hundreds of times faster than a human and so if you are firing at a ship that can take autonomous evasive action then your range shrinks dramatically. If we assume the ship takes 10ms (a low, but not exceptional, time for modern computers) to detect the shot, calculate, and execute an evasive maneuver you are looking at an effective range of 200-300 meters for a guaranteed "hit where I shot" impact and a larger distance for a "hit the ship I shot at" impact which would be determined by the other ships mobility/responsiveness.
Beyond the speed of the projectile the diameter of the projectile and the diameter of the specific target (for example; the enemy ships reactor vs the enemy ship captains coffee mug) will have great effect on your probability of damage. A large projectile fired at a large target will be more likely to produce a positive impact versus trying to fire a BB sized projectile at similarly sized target because even during maneuver there is a larger window in which the large projectile will overlap with a large target.
So in the end for ship to ship combat your effective range will vary depending on the specifics of your railgun and the capabilities of the target.
Anyone else think that side profile is distinctly phalic?
I honestly think that after they perfected the 304s manufacturing process and got the technology figured out they should have redesigned the Prometheus-class ships and that way they could have light and medium battle cruisers
Oh definitely. I'd go for less fighters for the 303 but more weapons more in line with a destroyer. I mean above the hangar you could fit plasma beams, one above and one below each side and forwards you could fire 4 simultaneously. Lots of firepower.
Was gutting to see the Prometheus go down 😢
"Sir we can't call it The Enterprise."
Star War: far far away.
Star trek: in the future
Stargate: RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!
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I was always disappointed that no more Prometheus-class ships were built. It seems if the larger Daedalus-class were carrier/battleship analogues, then they could have re-tooled the Prometheus class as an escort.
That the ship died because of Ori deus-ex-machina tech is a different rant...
I always thought the same thing. The 303's should be the destroyer escorts for the 304's
She did not die because of the Ori, she died because the show's producers preferred the design of the 304, they killed her and had the replacement undergoing its shakedown cruse the next episode.
Besides, the Ori superweapon that killed her was more machina ex deus than deus ex machina (machine by god, rather than god by machine) as it was an Ori designed satellite cannon, which won because Prometheus was not expecting it to have shields.
@@terryforsdyke306 The entire Ori storyline was a giant ass-pull by the producers that decided they need even BIGGER bad guys. It was lazy writing, at best. Honestly, SG-1 should have ended with the Battle of Antarctica. The Ori arc, ESPECIALLY the series finale, were so bad that it retroactively prevents me from ever recommending the rest of the series to anyone else.
I didnt know it lasted that long
Awesome review my friend! Some people think that the ship was a product of human engineering when in fact most of its main technology came from reverse-engineer technology and alien allies.
Reverse-engineering someone else's tech and then figuring out how to make it with our own materials and sciences and manufacturing is still a product of human engineering...
@@pufthemajicdragon they couldn't make it work the asgardians had to give them a hyperdrive and they gave them Shield technology as well. But I have to admit that humans were able to reverse-engineer it so I guess it is sort of our engineering prowess but none of the technology was created by humans
The sublight engine technology was purchased from the planet Hebridan in exchange for a Stargate. No need for research-- they even had the manuals translated into our language.
*O'Neill:* _(looking over the book)_ That's not our language!
*Carter:* It's _mine,_ sir.
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Review the Ori Warship!
The idea that the US government could develop such a craft with effective secrecy after the boondoggle that was the Zumwalt class seems like one of the least believable aspects of the show.
Did other nations like Russia and China take part in the development?
No, the X303 Prometheus was completely US Air Force designed (with salvaged/reverse engineered alien tech, and many upgrades thanks to the Asgard), Russia were given it's designs as part of a rental agreement for a DHD and Stargate, and after telling all the major powers about the gate program, Russia and China were both given one of the later BC304 class ships.
ThAt’S a PeNiS!!
While Daedalus is still my favourite, Prometheus is undeniably so so cool)
Yay more StarGate :3
Thank you
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Seeing the Prometheus get exploded was like seeing the Defiant get destroyed, 😕.
Great video
It's sister ship was called Daedalus. Looks like the authors are the Robotech fans.
P.S. Love the WH40K:DoW music in the background
F-305: new fighter based on Wraith darts. Sleeker and with the ability to deploy ground troops.
F-306: based largely on Ancient vessels, and the first Tau’ri vessel to come with a complement of Ancient Drones.
comprehensive.
You know that ship would have made an excellent escort class by refining it alongside the model . Here my headcannon of a far-off descendant :
The DSFM-Pendergast class is a direct descendant in term of design of the BC-303 Prometheus . It is a ship that is around the same length of the Prometheus . The ship was designed to be the main cheapbone of the growing military Fleet of Earth . Built to follow that concept . It was required to make severe modification of the Prometheus design to make it compatible with the advancement of the shipbuilding technology and advanced systems that have been developped on the ongoing years of development of Earth technology . Compared to the Prometheus , the ship design have a huge modification notably in the sternboard size . The huge ugly tower was removed and instead have been replaced with a new commandement structure that look like the same of the Daedalus class albeit modified and adapted to the size of the ship . An added shell equivalent of the BC-304 have been added but now surround the entire sternboard . Around the main block who correspond the neck of the ship , it has been elevated so the small tower could be put at the very back of the ship . The two small hyperdrive module that was previously seen in the Prometheus design have been removed and instead was put in the back of the blocky structure alongside a new design for its sublight engine . The sublight engine have been seriously re-designed to make sure to occupy the space . With one main sublight engine at the center of sternboard section and two smaller sublight engines both putted above and below the drive . In the case of the hyperdrive of the ship , the two hyperdrive have been putting each at their respective left and right side of the main sublight engine , forming a + shape of the propulsion . The secondary sublight engine could give a maximum acceleration of 50 000 gees while the main one could give the acceleration of a nearly one hundred thousand gees . With its hyperdrive , the ship was given a speed of 100 millions of the speed of light allowing to reach the Pegasus galaxy in a matter of two week . As for its offensive and defensive capabilities , the ship was equiped by diverse amelioration notably two plasma lance emmiters who was mounted of the prow on each side of the ship , 2 heavy plasma spinal turret both in the upper part and lower part of the nose of the ship , secondary anti-capital battery of plasma weapons and two heavy launcher of torpedo who was putted on his broadside on each part of the neck . As for its secondary weapons system , the ship was given the chance to be equipped with a series of interception laser weapons placed strategically on the ship , each powered by their own small naquadah generation .
For its defensive capabilities , the ship was given a upgraded version of the Prometheus shield generator far much more stable thanks to the advancement on shield technology and better power generation . The hull was also following the new established standard of the fleet with a multilayered composite alloy of metamaterials made of succesive fullerene trinium and titane alloy within the gap between the structure got integrated of a nanotube alloy composed of carbon and tungstene layered with sandwich alloy composed of fullerene of naquadah and tungstene mixed with carbons . The last defensive system was the energised armor using both structural integrity field mechanism and matter enhancer field .
To ensure the powering of every system , the new escort class was powered by mainly two heavy duty military class naquadah fusion reactor and one subspace power core and a supercapacitor able to power the ship efficently . Furthermore , the ship was equiped by four secondary power nodule running the neck of the ship each containing a dozens of the latest version of small naquadah fusion generator .
Seeing USS Prometheus for the first time really made me screaming in joy since this was the first time Earth could've fought Goauld on equal footing instead of fighting a glorified guerrilla warfare and cowering behind daddy Asgard when thing gets tough
That said I kinda realized(after rewatching SG-1) that before Asgard retrofit USS Prometheus is basically Hatak in different clothes. It uses primarily Goauld technology, uses Alkesh hyperdrive and like a Hatak, it was Earth's primary ship for space warfare. It can also house F-302 fighter like how Hatak could store death glider
Using the background theme of the imperium of man. Fitting the foreseeable future of the Tau'ri.
Dear Spacedock:
Do you have any plans to review the 1978 version of Battlestar Galactica? Maybe a point/counterpoint that compares the 1978 version vs the 2004 version. Show how each version compares stats wise. I am not too sure how the 1978 BSG compares to the 2004 version other than that the 1978 BSG uses energy weaponry vs the kinetic weaponry of the 2004 version (no cable/money for streaming, and only saw a few clips and stats videos like yours). Also it may be a good idea to introduce it to the newer generation that only knows of the 2004 reboot.
"Desperate times breed desperate measures, Major. Five years ago, the air force began exploring the possibility of building a new class of starship. This ship would have no families, no science labs, no luxuries of any kind. It was designed for one purpose only, to fight and defeat the Borg."
"Sir?"
"I'm sorry. I meant the dominion."
"Sir, are you alright?"
"Oh, what have I been saying? I apologize, lets take a break. We'll continue this meeting on how we can use this ship against the flood."
"Medical, we need you up here."
I'd love to see you do some videos on the AppleTV+ series "Foundation". Its based on (rather loosely) the Asimov series of the same name. There's a number of interesting ships and other items that are just begging for your analysis. Some examples - Trantor's Starbridge space elevator, Trantor the planet itself, the Genetic Dynasty, the slowship Deliverance, the Imperial Aegis, Hari Seldon's Raven, Hugo's Beggar, and especially the long-lost ghostship Invictus, even the escape pod used by Gaal. Let's not forget about the mysterious "Vault" on Terminus. So much ground you guys could cover.
-gosh darn damit they said NO
-to helping the Asgards ?!!
-they are all for that !!....... they refuse to call it Enterprise
Wouldn't it be an Heavy Attack Bomber Transport, rather than Battlecruiser?
Also the "unknown assailant" mentioned at 6:56 is an alien species even more advanced than the Asgard and the ancient and they're basically playing gatekeeping to stop Earth from abusing their newfound capability, like Goauld before them
I thought we all agreed that the BC-303 was larger than just 200 meters in length since the CG model was scaled bigger and the F-302s don't fit within the reduced scale 303??? 😂
I like SG1, but be honest guys, Prometheus is the ugliest and most boring ship to ever grace the TV screen design-wise. It's so bone-fide "standard human scifi ship", but it's also give feel like it was designed by an intern. The "but it was cobbled by humans who were trying to make their first spaceship" Is and additional argument _against_ this design, not in favor of it.
How is it you guys make videos stating that Prometheus is much bigger than the 195m length...then make another video stating that exact same length? Uhhg!!!
Am I the only one who thinks the side view (thumbnail) of this ship resembles a certian male part? It's like the USAF in Stargate is giving a whole new meaning to: "sticking it to the enemy"...
I thin in the episode where Thire beamed down to tell he prefers the old comand of SGC he said he gave Prometheus Asgard protective shield and weapons and you Can see Prometheus using some kind of energy weapon something similar as Goaul’d wepons,yellow bolts as he was fireing at Anubis and the Alkesh
Stargate managed to present one of the most ugliest spaceships (sorry prometheus stans) and one of the most sexiest spaceship (Daedalus) in the one show...
One of the ugliest starships I have ever seen but damn if seeing it go up against Anubis wasn't a great moment.
If they mange to revive the franchise I will be super excited to see a "305" when the Tauri have had 15 years to digest the Asgard core and Atlantis DB. Not to forget whatever info they got from Destiny like those little repair bots.
the thing I always hated about the Prometheus being the only one of its class was that there was no reason for that to be the case. The Daedalus didn't start production until years later and if we go by the fact they could build 1 304 a year before they increased the production to about 2 a year then the could have built more 303s. Hell being smaller and cheaper than the 304 they likely could have built 2 a year from the start. There were 3 years between the 303 and 304 launch. taking 1 year away for the start of the 304 construction in 2004 that still leave nearly 2 years to at least build 2 more 303s. They had the other security council nations involved as well. Increased funding could have gotten each of them a single 303 in the 2 years. And unlike the original these would have the new advanced tech built in from the start instead of being slapped on as a retrofit.
Dude you used Warhammer music on a Stargate video... it's just wrong.
Wonder what the US Navy felt when they don't get new aircraft carriers in Stargate. How much would the battlecruiser costs?
I'm still sad that they didn't keep a small fleet of these to provide a support fleet for the BC-304s. It would have made sense to keep a varied fleet with some lighter ships to provide support for the, essentially, main carrier ships.
Earth become a major military power in the Milky Way Galaxy, still the majority of the civilian population of Earth have no idea about it.
Has there been something in the Zeitgeist that's making people watch/reference Stargate recently? I have just started to rewatch it when I've seen three different RUclipsrs make videos on them! I'm not complaining but it's so weird to see!
w8
how the fuck did i never realize that SG1 was basicaly an HFY story!
nice
I like that you are using my 303 line drawing for your graphic. Though that would be the older version of it.
With all its advanced technology the Prometheus still has 20th century telephone landlines.
What would it have?
Real navy ships have it too reliable and simple
A wi-fi network can be hacked into. The Wraith did exactly that in just their second encounter with the Daedalus.
Such a good ship! I will never forget Prommy
dear sspacedock over the years you have don manmy stargate ships. however there is one major ship missing. can you please do the O'Neill class
If you guys haven't done it already, you should do a video on the Kushan Mothership or the Pride of Hiigara (or both since one's basically an upgraded version of the other).
The size isn't 195 meters. Joseph Mallozzi confirmed the 303 (between 500 and 550 meters) and 304 (650 meters) are much larger than what is listed on the dvd commentary or Stargate wiki.
The 304 was actually narrowed down to 732 meters
I love Stargate but one nitpick I have is how ship sizes are inconsistent. In some episodes they look bigger and some they look smaller. For example in Camelot an O'Neill Class Asgard Battlecruiser is shown to be the same size as the Odyssey. However the O'Neill's are supposed to be 1500-1600 meters.
Yeah I once did some scaling on the 303. Specifically the u shaped structure on the bridge tower, would directly scale it to be between 375-450 meters. The 302 has to be able to fit in the Prometheus too.
@@kingofthenerds8235 the oniel class is roughly 1,688m long next to the 550m Prometheus it was towing. The beliskner class is roughly the same length. Some shots are done for effect, putting scaling out of proportions but there are shots that give you a very good sense of size and scale of most ships. I've done a lot of scaling pictures comparing mostly stargate and halo ships to each other and to real world elements, like pelicans to chinooks. I have most of the seen stargate ships worked out and they really fit the best shots of what is shown. And the halo ones show how a lot of their ships sizes have been made up by wrongly assuming fans. For instance I have the autumn class at 585m (590 max) long, scaled to pelicans from shots we see in trailers etc, and have them scaled next to the 303 and 304. Or the scorpion being 8.7m long. Its quite interesting.
Can you do the types Resistance Hovercrafts in "The matrix"