As a person who's had vocal training and been performing the art of song since the age of eight, I can easily tell you from what I've seen in the encore stages and Coachella that's not singing. These girls are actually screaming, and I can't believe that people these days are actually mistaking screaming for singing. For starters, where are the notes? I barely heard any. Two, if they weren't screaming their lungs out, where the notes should be was replaced by stylistic talking (which is not singing either. You can watch Gerard Butler failing in Phantom of the Opera as proof of that). Lastly, while people say that encore stages are supposed to be "fun," yes, they are, but encore stages are also meant to prove why these artists deserved the awards they win, to show off the skills that got them there. If the song was rap based, then you would expect the rappers to show off what got them the win, right? With that logic, if the song is singing vocals based, you have to show off your talented vocals to the audience, proving that the win was justified. People are pissed at Le Sserafim, not just because their vocals are nonexistent or bad, but they are pissed because Le Sserafim won awards on vocals that practically don't exist. How can you prove to people that you deserve those wins when you can't even show it off afterwards? So when they were one of the Kpop groups to go to Coachella this year, their next goal was to show the west (America more specifically) why they deserved to be performing at that festival, which they obviously did not do whatsoever. The fact they were outshined by ATEEZ, a group famous for not being a Big 4 group, who also performed the same festival, made Le Sserafim look so much worse. If anything, this just proves that people still look for good vocals when they go see concerts in the modern day, and thank god for that.
No group wins music show awards because of their talent, they win them because of their popularity and dedicated fans. No one votes objectively, so to say the winners are meant to "show why they won," when it all comes down to fanbase is interesting.
sure they dont know how to hold a note forget that they might even dont know low and high pitch. They need more than vocal training they only know dancing.
That extra vocalist was very crucial, I.actually really liked Garam's tone and was kind of sad cause I wanted to hear more from her. I was like hmm how are they going to make this work. I think Chaewon & Yunjin voice probably gets tired & strained after some time after always having to carry the vocals.
My opinions: Did They messed up coachella 1st week? -yes, they did Did they sing well on encores? - no Did hybe act like it's nothing? - yes he did Does the last one make me wanna pull the trigger? -yes it does Did lefim improve? -sakura: In my opinion she did -kazuha: The downfall of a very talented rapper -Chaewon: How is that is izone she had much better vocals??!! -yunjin: I simlpy cannot understand... People were saying that for years that she is the strongest member.... Well if she is than there IS a big problem -eunchae: She is just a little teenage girl, who is thinking she got the world ny becoming idol Do i think they would be better is garam stayed? - yes i think so Did i ever stan them? -YES, I DID😢
@@KenAlbertson that’s why I don’t watch it . And she’s 17 , only 2 years younger than wonyoung . Yet if wonyoung does cringe stuff she gets hated and eunchwe doesn’t ? I don’t want her to get hate but we can let her age be an excuse for her low talent
@@KenAlbertson Yes, and we all were very worried about her. but not her company. we talk about talents not visuals here. also wonny is 100 times more talented than eunchae. also wonyoung writes songs for ive and also they release them. and i love that nowadays people cannot hate or defend an idol without bringing another down or up too
The way i agree with everything in this vid. Le sserafim fans will do anything to defend their idols its literally pathetic. A fan in yunjin's live asked her to do a heart if she supports palestine nd its happens so that she did a heart in the same time? like tf is that supposed to prove? she was the one who made the consious decision to buy starbucks nd till now doesnt have the face to apologize for it. The fans really are insufferable
She drank coffee, and that is it. Stop making drinking coffee a big deal. Remember Starbucks is american and not from Israel. Not everyone believes stuff from Tiktok. No proper source has talked about boycotting american products. News in my country reported the stuff happening in Gaza, but not about any boycott.
@@rosesforzb1 Please educate yourself. Korean Starbucks is not owned by the problematic Starbucks. They sold their shares in it years ago (back in 2015, I think). Korean Starbucks is now owned by a Korean company called Shinsegae. So it's fine if she wants to drink Starbucks in Korea. If she was in a Starbucks ad then maybe you could argue that she was promoting it to international fans or whatever but she just happened to have some coffee in a paparazzi picture. It's ridiculous that you expect everyone to be educated on the boycott list, even people who aren't native English speakers (not talking about Yunjin in this but other Korean idols that don't speak English), but you can't take 10 seconds to google and find out that Korean Starbucks is independent from the other Starbucks before you start blasting someone for no good reason.
I honestly don’t think the group was ready to debut . Their skills aren’t up to par especially from certain members who have been idols previously . Source music needs to up their training for the girls or it’s just more hate waiting for the girls.
I believe hybe were trying to show everyone that the whole situation wasn’t affecting the members by continuing to post regular content and sending them off to more activities. Eventually the hate got too much and they had to threat with legal actions and turn off the comments.
I didn’t really like sakuras statement you NEVER respond to knets/nets when controversy happens it always makes it worse and you can’t really just call out the people who are going too far but especially since the criticism was valid. She of all the members would be the worse to have respond since she was criticized the most also chaewon posting that doja cat story when no one was criticizing her she had the most hype at the time it just seemed dumb like it’s not people’s fault that yall can’t sing just improve yourselves like IVE, AESPA, and BLACKPINK did their hate train was just as bad and the pulled a dua lipa.
Why do you want them to just sit there and endure it? They have a right to defend themselves against hate. Just because other girl groups don't defend themselves, doesn't mean they shouldn't too. And they also are improving from their coachella performance.
I feel like the thing a lot of people aren’t getting is that there is genuinely valid criticism about sakura’s vocals and the members performances and stuff. Like no one, literally not a single fan that i’ve seen, has disagreed with that base statement. It’s the manner in which this information is being so disproportionately weaponozed against the idols themselves. I really can’t understand how people can’t understand that it’s not about their skills it really about the lack of empathy being showed from people that are clearly bullying them. Like THIS amount of hate is actually gross. Not to mention how their lack of confidence can directly correlate to their persecution of skills, skills they’re probably okay at doing. Or the fact that everyone’s so preachy about mental health until they’re the ones causing the damage. OR the fact that le serafim is getting more hate than literal criminals in the same industry.I know like any hate train this will pass and stuff but I’m so fucking tired of thinly failed destructive criticism (aka bullying from all these mfs) has become so normal….
I don't understand the issue with dancing in a church when said church ( Immanuel Presbyterian Church ) has agreed to movies and music videos being filmed in there, as well as hosting concerts and other artist's performances. How come Classic and Contemporary artists are allowed to use religions for their art, or even get to blasphemous territory but a Music Video Director cannot ? What happened to freedom of expression ? Also if people do have an issue with this, then complain to the Director Nina McNeely. The same goes for the issue with the Mosquee. First of all they never danced in a Mosquee, Izone had a performance at a show, and the LED screen showed a background ressembling a Mosquee. Were the Izone girlies in the control room deciding that ? No, the organizers were. Were the Le sserafim members in the UnderWork Content company's reunion deciding what to film for the MV ? No To me that's a non issue but over religious people want them to have a scandal
It's wrong to use religion for things that aren't good especially when it's being mocked also many people know it's not their fault but the company's choice to film in a "church" is completely wrong also they chose to also post photos of them showing there skin in that "church" in Instagram, so yea it is also part of their fault so it's not only the company's.
As a predebut fearnot, it's disgusting how much misinformation has been spread. Can't sing my ass. Can't dance my ass. Ppl at coachella even said that they were really good but ofc no fucking research was done about their opinions. When lesserafim won first place for fearless, their encore stage was live with NO backtrack, backtrack is EXTREMELY COMMON for ALL kpop groups, so how come only one group is getting hate for it ? I'm a huge hybe hater ( as in the company's staff such as the ceo and min heejin ) people looked at ONE performance and said 'no they can't sing ew I hate them' PLEASE for the love of God, WATCH THEIR OTHER PERFORMANCES, one performance doesn't determine their entire talent. Yunjin situation deeply confuses me. I don't want to say I anti her because then I'm not a fearnot. But the thing that confuses me the most is how chuu wasn't hated for it because she is 'cute' yes she has donated to Palestine but that was AFTER she drank starbucks so it was a hypocritical thing to do as she basially has done nothing to physically help the people who are dying. The same people who are calling chuu 'cute' for drinking starbucks are the same ppl who hate on yunjin for doing the exact same thing. ( also when the fuck did chaewon wear cornrows ?? )
its not a compition who drinks more starbucks first of all. secondly yujin did not apologize what so ever, so un apologetic but we have chuu who realised her mistake nd changed for the better
for you information, all the encore stages do not provide backtrack for ANY group. its the groups vocals that have to shine through nd plenty of groups have no problem show casing their true talent, nd now if lesserafim cant do that, that means its their fault not the back tracks fault. And please we all have ears, they were horrible on day one coachella, they did better on 2nd day tho with the help of the back track i get why you are mad but some criticism in needed for the grp to grow.
@@vixxexo6855 It's 2024 and there are actual sources everywhere that prove her innocence. Even the so called "victim" manipulated info that you can prove wrong yourself 😭 y'all don't have anything to do
"Downfall" nope! They're doing just fine. This is just what happens to all the successful women in this industry. Yall did the same to aespa a few years ago! And Ive up until last year! Goodbye
@@xiaorina who said what? Nobody ever denied Aespa’s talent. They were mocked for lipsync, but nobody ever denied their skills. IVE’s Wonyoung and Leeseo were only hated on for that one lipsync performance and yes, because Wonyoung is a successful woman. You cannot show me ONE clip with any of these girls doing THIS bad on stage. Learn what misogyny means before using it as an excuse for unqualified people getting opportunities that others who work 10 times as hard will never get
@@amiboacid7183 calling girls “dozen with a pretty face” is misogynistic and if i need to explain why then you don’t have the constitution to have this discussion. again im not taking anything that comes from ur keyboard seriously lol good night
@@xiaorina then why are you bothering replying? Again, go look up the definition of misogyny. Pointing out somebody got an unfair opportunity over someone else who is more qualified is not magically misogynistic just because the someone in question happens to be a woman LMAO As if I was arguing a boy group should be there instead. As if I didn’t exactly explained to you why it’s a skill issue, and not a “successful women” issue, since I had no problem with TALENTED women getting the recognition they deserve Just say you feel bad for your faves without misusing big words you don’t understand
Is downfall in the room with us rn lmao? Yall be saying anything at this point. Easy is lsfm's most successfull album so far charting in bb 100 which is impossible for many idols lol and they managae to stay keep crying...
I feel like y'alls are hyping up Garam too much. Yes, Garam's good with higher notes. But so is Yunjin, Chaewon and Eunchae. I absolutely love Garam and detest what happened to her, but her lower register needed work. If she wasn't kicked out of the group then you would've been dragging her left right and centre just like netizens did to her in Fearless encores... just 5x worse.
i titled the video "the downfall of le sserafim" because a lot of k netizens have been saying that in korea their reputation is pretty much destroyed due to coachella.
As a person who's had vocal training and been performing the art of song since the age of eight, I can easily tell you from what I've seen in the encore stages and Coachella that's not singing. These girls are actually screaming, and I can't believe that people these days are actually mistaking screaming for singing. For starters, where are the notes? I barely heard any. Two, if they weren't screaming their lungs out, where the notes should be was replaced by stylistic talking (which is not singing either. You can watch Gerard Butler failing in Phantom of the Opera as proof of that). Lastly, while people say that encore stages are supposed to be "fun," yes, they are, but encore stages are also meant to prove why these artists deserved the awards they win, to show off the skills that got them there. If the song was rap based, then you would expect the rappers to show off what got them the win, right? With that logic, if the song is singing vocals based, you have to show off your talented vocals to the audience, proving that the win was justified. People are pissed at Le Sserafim, not just because their vocals are nonexistent or bad, but they are pissed because Le Sserafim won awards on vocals that practically don't exist. How can you prove to people that you deserve those wins when you can't even show it off afterwards? So when they were one of the Kpop groups to go to Coachella this year, their next goal was to show the west (America more specifically) why they deserved to be performing at that festival, which they obviously did not do whatsoever. The fact they were outshined by ATEEZ, a group famous for not being a Big 4 group, who also performed the same festival, made Le Sserafim look so much worse. If anything, this just proves that people still look for good vocals when they go see concerts in the modern day, and thank god for that.
No group wins music show awards because of their talent, they win them because of their popularity and dedicated fans. No one votes objectively, so to say the winners are meant to "show why they won," when it all comes down to fanbase is interesting.
@j.4867 then we can ask this question: who are the ones setting those standards while also setting these groups up to embarrass themselves?
sure they dont know how to hold a note forget that they might even dont know low and high pitch. They need more than vocal training they only know dancing.
That extra vocalist was very crucial, I.actually really liked Garam's tone and was kind of sad cause I wanted to hear more from her. I was like hmm how are they going to make this work. I think Chaewon & Yunjin voice probably gets tired & strained after some time after always having to carry the vocals.
My opinions:
Did They messed up coachella 1st week? -yes, they did
Did they sing well on encores? - no
Did hybe act like it's nothing? - yes he did
Does the last one make me wanna pull the trigger? -yes it does
Did lefim improve? -sakura: In my opinion she did
-kazuha: The downfall of a very talented rapper
-Chaewon: How is that is izone she had much better vocals??!!
-yunjin: I simlpy cannot understand... People were saying that for years that she is the strongest member.... Well if she is than there IS a big problem
-eunchae: She is just a little teenage girl, who is thinking she got the world ny becoming idol
Do i think they would be better is garam stayed? - yes i think so
Did i ever stan them? -YES, I DID😢
Euncchae ain’t even that little anymore ( there are idols and whole grps smaller than her and ppl only baby her ) . I’m starting to cringe
Agreee wiht u
@@KenAlbertson that’s why I don’t watch it . And she’s 17 , only 2 years younger than wonyoung . Yet if wonyoung does cringe stuff she gets hated and eunchwe doesn’t ? I don’t want her to get hate but we can let her age be an excuse for her low talent
@@KenAlbertson Ik ik but she got hate for everything poor girl 😭
@@KenAlbertson Yes, and we all were very worried about her. but not her company. we talk about talents not visuals here. also wonny is 100 times more talented than eunchae. also wonyoung writes songs for ive and also they release them.
and i love that nowadays people cannot hate or defend an idol without bringing another down or up too
The way i agree with everything in this vid. Le sserafim fans will do anything to defend their idols its literally pathetic. A fan in yunjin's live asked her to do a heart if she supports palestine nd its happens so that she did a heart in the same time? like tf is that supposed to prove? she was the one who made the consious decision to buy starbucks nd till now doesnt have the face to apologize for it. The fans really are insufferable
Starbucks has nothing to do with Palestine, so let's nip that in the bud now.
@@j.4867 It very much does, actually look into it instead of believing some tiktok comments
@@j.4867 There were mentioned in the official boycott list from major palestine support accounts
She drank coffee, and that is it. Stop making drinking coffee a big deal. Remember Starbucks is american and not from Israel. Not everyone believes stuff from Tiktok. No proper source has talked about boycotting american products. News in my country reported the stuff happening in Gaza, but not about any boycott.
@@rosesforzb1 Please educate yourself. Korean Starbucks is not owned by the problematic Starbucks. They sold their shares in it years ago (back in 2015, I think). Korean Starbucks is now owned by a Korean company called Shinsegae. So it's fine if she wants to drink Starbucks in Korea. If she was in a Starbucks ad then maybe you could argue that she was promoting it to international fans or whatever but she just happened to have some coffee in a paparazzi picture. It's ridiculous that you expect everyone to be educated on the boycott list, even people who aren't native English speakers (not talking about Yunjin in this but other Korean idols that don't speak English), but you can't take 10 seconds to google and find out that Korean Starbucks is independent from the other Starbucks before you start blasting someone for no good reason.
I honestly don’t think the group was ready to debut . Their skills aren’t up to par especially from certain members who have been idols previously . Source music needs to up their training for the girls or it’s just more hate waiting for the girls.
I believe hybe were trying to show everyone that the whole situation wasn’t affecting the members by continuing to post regular content and sending them off to more activities. Eventually the hate got too much and they had to threat with legal actions and turn off the comments.
I didn’t really like sakuras statement you NEVER respond to knets/nets when controversy happens it always makes it worse and you can’t really just call out the people who are going too far but especially since the criticism was valid. She of all the members would be the worse to have respond since she was criticized the most also chaewon posting that doja cat story when no one was criticizing her she had the most hype at the time it just seemed dumb like it’s not people’s fault that yall can’t sing just improve yourselves like IVE, AESPA, and BLACKPINK did their hate train was just as bad and the pulled a dua lipa.
Why do you want them to just sit there and endure it? They have a right to defend themselves against hate. Just because other girl groups don't defend themselves, doesn't mean they shouldn't too. And they also are improving from their coachella performance.
I feel like the thing a lot of people aren’t getting is that there is genuinely valid criticism about sakura’s vocals and the members performances and stuff. Like no one, literally not a single fan that i’ve seen, has disagreed with that base statement. It’s the manner in which this information is being so disproportionately weaponozed against the idols themselves. I really can’t understand how people can’t understand that it’s not about their skills it really about the lack of empathy being showed from people that are clearly bullying them. Like THIS amount of hate is actually gross. Not to mention how their lack of confidence can directly correlate to their persecution of skills, skills they’re probably okay at doing. Or the fact that everyone’s so preachy about mental health until they’re the ones causing the damage. OR the fact that le serafim is getting more hate than literal criminals in the same industry.I know like any hate train this will pass and stuff but I’m so fucking tired of thinly failed destructive criticism (aka bullying from all these mfs) has become so normal….
I don't understand the issue with dancing in a church when said church ( Immanuel Presbyterian Church ) has agreed to movies and music videos being filmed in there, as well as hosting concerts and other artist's performances.
How come Classic and Contemporary artists are allowed to use religions for their art, or even get to blasphemous territory but a Music Video Director cannot ? What happened to freedom of expression ?
Also if people do have an issue with this, then complain to the Director Nina McNeely. The same goes for the issue with the Mosquee. First of all they never danced in a Mosquee, Izone had a performance at a show, and the LED screen showed a background ressembling a Mosquee. Were the Izone girlies in the control room deciding that ? No, the organizers were.
Were the Le sserafim members in the UnderWork Content company's reunion deciding what to film for the MV ? No
To me that's a non issue but over religious people want them to have a scandal
It's wrong to use religion for things that aren't good especially when it's being mocked also many people know it's not their fault but the company's choice to film in a "church" is completely wrong also they chose to also post photos of them showing there skin in that "church" in Instagram, so yea it is also part of their fault so it's not only the company's.
As a predebut fearnot, it's disgusting how much misinformation has been spread. Can't sing my ass. Can't dance my ass. Ppl at coachella even said that they were really good but ofc no fucking research was done about their opinions. When lesserafim won first place for fearless, their encore stage was live with NO backtrack, backtrack is EXTREMELY COMMON for ALL kpop groups, so how come only one group is getting hate for it ? I'm a huge hybe hater ( as in the company's staff such as the ceo and min heejin ) people looked at ONE performance and said 'no they can't sing ew I hate them' PLEASE for the love of God, WATCH THEIR OTHER PERFORMANCES, one performance doesn't determine their entire talent. Yunjin situation deeply confuses me. I don't want to say I anti her because then I'm not a fearnot. But the thing that confuses me the most is how chuu wasn't hated for it because she is 'cute' yes she has donated to Palestine but that was AFTER she drank starbucks so it was a hypocritical thing to do as she basially has done nothing to physically help the people who are dying. The same people who are calling chuu 'cute' for drinking starbucks are the same ppl who hate on yunjin for doing the exact same thing. ( also when the fuck did chaewon wear cornrows ?? )
I'm sorry about the language the hate for misinformation makes me angry sorry
its not a compition who drinks more starbucks first of all. secondly yujin did not apologize what so ever, so un apologetic but we have chuu who realised her mistake nd changed for the better
for you information, all the encore stages do not provide backtrack for ANY group. its the groups vocals that have to shine through nd plenty of groups have no problem show casing their true talent, nd now if lesserafim cant do that, that means its their fault not the back tracks fault. And please we all have ears, they were horrible on day one coachella, they did better on 2nd day tho with the help of the back track i get why you are mad but some criticism in needed for the grp to grow.
A whole lotta nothing...😐
What are you talking about all encore stages have no backtrack. You're talking about doing research but you don't even know that simple fact
i only like a kpop group bc of their music tbh 😭
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i feel bad for garam
I feel bad for the people Garam bullied. It was even proven Garam did verbally abuse someone.
@@vixxexo6855 It's 2024 and there are actual sources everywhere that prove her innocence. Even the so called "victim" manipulated info that you can prove wrong yourself 😭 y'all don't have anything to do
@@vixxexo6855 she is not a bully
@@vixxexo6855she's been proven innocent do you live under a rock?
i like how Sakura is the most cunning girl she can fool anyone with her charms.
"Downfall" nope! They're doing just fine. This is just what happens to all the successful women in this industry. Yall did the same to aespa a few years ago! And Ive up until last year! Goodbye
Yeah, but neither Aespa and IVE aren’t a bunch of dozens with a pretty face
@@amiboacid7183 yall said the same exact thing about them last year! im not taking u seriously lol
@@xiaorina who said what? Nobody ever denied Aespa’s talent. They were mocked for lipsync, but nobody ever denied their skills. IVE’s Wonyoung and Leeseo were only hated on for that one lipsync performance and yes, because Wonyoung is a successful woman. You cannot show me ONE clip with any of these girls doing THIS bad on stage. Learn what misogyny means before using it as an excuse for unqualified people getting opportunities that others who work 10 times as hard will never get
@@amiboacid7183 calling girls “dozen with a pretty face” is misogynistic and if i need to explain why then you don’t have the constitution to have this discussion. again im not taking anything that comes from ur keyboard seriously lol good night
@@xiaorina then why are you bothering replying? Again, go look up the definition of misogyny. Pointing out somebody got an unfair opportunity over someone else who is more qualified is not magically misogynistic just because the someone in question happens to be a woman LMAO
As if I was arguing a boy group should be there instead. As if I didn’t exactly explained to you why it’s a skill issue, and not a “successful women” issue, since I had no problem with TALENTED women getting the recognition they deserve
Just say you feel bad for your faves without misusing big words you don’t understand
When tf did chaewon wear cornrows?
Not everyone hates lesserafim. The girls can sing just had a bad time and sakura has improved
Is downfall in the room with us rn lmao? Yall be saying anything at this point. Easy is lsfm's most successfull album so far charting in bb 100 which is impossible for many idols lol and they managae to stay keep crying...
2 weeks*
Garam wouldve saved them
Actually nvm… sakura eunchae and kazuha cant really sing😭 and yunjin sounds like shit most of the time
I feel like y'alls are hyping up Garam too much. Yes, Garam's good with higher notes. But so is Yunjin, Chaewon and Eunchae. I absolutely love Garam and detest what happened to her, but her lower register needed work. If she wasn't kicked out of the group then you would've been dragging her left right and centre just like netizens did to her in Fearless encores... just 5x worse.
Not even in your dreams.
not really. She was better with notes but she also wouldve gotten dragged. Beacuse HYBE doesnt give them proper training
@@gahkkoher singing in fearless encores was better than their coachella performances
Wait what about somi?? Please tell me why she’s weird
Called her dad hot
She also drank Starbucks
@@WonyOnDaZai smell insest
Somi isn't weird she is just different and gets stupid hate
What downfall ??? The hate they get is ridiculous!!!!
There is no hate, the creator is just reporting on the ongoing events happening to lesserafim
@@rosesforzb1no hate? they've continuously been getting bashed lol wdym
i titled the video "the downfall of le sserafim" because a lot of k netizens have been saying that in korea their reputation is pretty much destroyed due to coachella.
@@celieistrying yes they nothing about music yet they decided to be idols. Sakura she is so cunning omg
@@celieistrying your seriously listening to k-netizens?