Clowns tryna act like the Bucks don't have Trent, Prince and Wright. Surely if the Lakers got those 3 players then their song would be different. Bucks are winning the East. #1. As long as Giannis and Dame aren't sitting out games esp playoffs. No team in the East are beating them. Start at #2 and rank yalls favorites from there.. Bucks will be #1..😂
Boston Celtics still exists fool. At best, the Bucks is #2 team in the east. No one's beating Boston unless some catastrophic injury for Tatum or Brown.
Paul George in the 2024 playoffs : 19.5-7-5 on 41/37/84 and got his feelings hurt by PJ Washington Khris Middleton in the 2024 playoffs : 24.7-9-5 on 48/35/90 while hurt but sure Bontemps .. “not even a discussion”
You're ignoring regular season and that Middleton is as injured if not more injured than PG while being good at best on defense while PG is very good. Plus Middleton was going up against a average to bad defense while PG was up against a very good defense.
Philly more top end than bucks and not a debate ? giannis vs embiid - embiid is a constant playoff choker and is just as risky to have a health issue dame - maxey - basically a wash with dame having a more proven track record midd - george - midd is low key a better player, the stats in the playoffs confirm this
Embiid not having a title doesn't mean he's a choker yet you've never mentioned how Dame's never won a single conference final game in his entire career and is only getting older and worse whilst Maxey's on the come-up lol plus Bucks have Doc Rivers
@@Shortballa11 really? Well PG will be a third option who's one of the best shooters in the league and has been his entire career next to an MVP calibre player and one of the best players in the league in Tyrese Maxey
@@Sticktothemodels he was the 2nd option behind Harden in the most recent playoffs since Kawhi was hurt (again), he's never been anything less than a 2nd option his entire career
Nuggets title hopes depend a lot more on Murray's health than KCP not being there imo. Also ya'll are severely underrating Christian Braun's defensive impact.
They don't watch games or do actual analysis, they just go off of names and narratives. KCP was nonexistent on defense and offense last postseason. His offense wasn't good in the regular season but he never got the blame for whatever reason.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Yup. Losing KCP sucks, they are objectively better with pope in the lineup, but CB is a better defender against bigger guards like Ant and Luka, who theyre just as likely to see as SGA and booker in April. Only thing they collectively got right it seems is how bad Nnaji's contract is and how dumb it was to extend him when hes unplayable.
Y'all act like KCP isnt a big part of the defensive scheme of the Nuggets. He's a good one on one defender but gets bullied by bigger dude like Ant, now thats a specific thing because the man is one of the top 3 screen navigator in the league and a reason why Denver is a competent defensive team while not exposing Jokic too much, with his ability to disturb PnR and handoffs. The reality of last season for Nuggets IMHO, was that they were running to the ground big time by Malone and their regular season management was a joke. Either you make sure to have the best road for the playoffs (number 1 seed) either you go full "lets rest people, involve a potential 1/2 7-8 minutes rotational player for playoffs time, make sure we arrive fresh and healthy nobody can beat us". They just ended up with number 2 seed (with this horrible SAS game) while running on fumes. Now even with Murray coming back healthy, their defining factor will be a leap of CB and P Wat. Personnally, I would have run it back with the same crew, you still have CB/Pwat/Strawher with learning curve/solidifying the bench behind the 2 next solid year of KCP and your draft picks. I know 2nd apron can be a killer, but you have to maximize Joker prime where each year is a potential championship and let Booth prove the genius he thinks to be for drafting.
No way bucks are an easy sell. They got younger guys that can keep up with giannis and I’m sure dame is pissed on how he performed. Giannis will be a beast as always, he literally carries the team but I think this season will be different. You can’t count them out when you have giannis and dame. It’s impossible
Denver took the same approach GSW did after winning in ‘22. Instead of re-signing pivotal role players, ie Otto potter jr, GP2, Bjelica; they decided to let their young upcoming guys fill those roles. And obviously it didn’t work. DEN seems to be making the same mistake. First they let Bruce & Jeff Green walk, now they let KCP and Reggie walk. Role players are so important to winning a championship and not all young guys are immediately ready to fill those roles.
Wendy stop reaching with the Bucks. They are just a HUGE maybe 🤷🏾♂️. If Middleton is himself and healthy, they do have a shot. Start slow any injuries for the big 2 season might be on life support by Christmas
Mavs added Klay Naji & Grimes. All amazing 3poimt shooters and defenders even though klay has slightly digressed but still great roster and one of the deepest bench ITL. Also spence, great ball handler and can create shots and clutch and was a huge part of that 2022 WCF run. Also a 7’5 defensive stopper. They were just a few pieces away from beating Boston and I think they’ll be able to this time with hopefully a HEALTHY Luka and Kyrie getting over the hump. Whoever they met, I think they will beat. They should be the favorites, no doubt💯💯
The net rating of each of the Bucks most used lineups last season which was with a worse roster than they have now, and with an out of shape Dame/injuried Khris: Starting lineup: 15.5 (highest amoungst all starting lineups in the entire league 2nd most used: 13.3 3rd most used: 27.4 4th most used: 17.5 The best and most used lineups for the Bucks last year didn't just beat teams, they DESTROYED teams. The problems were any other lineups outside if these were mostly disastrous. The roster had a lot of weak links and bad fits last year due to the last minute acquiring of Dame the previous season. Not anymore, but keep sleeping on them and their depth. Go ahead and just corinate the Knicks and 76ers. It'll make this season that much more satisfying.
I mean the way some of these smaller NBA media or podcast platforms have done their rankings, it sure seems like a lot of people have forgotten about Ja Morant and what other NBA players were saying about Ja Morant 2 years ago.
@@DrPhill96 Says what? His total of 1 serious injury and a couple of incredibly immature decisions? yeah, compared to his incredible efficiency and plus minus when he’s on the floor and the large amount of highlights and game winning plays he’s made in his young career. he’s played a lot more games than he’s missed, so unreliable isn’t the right word. It’s disappointing the time he’s missed and and some of the decisions he’s made, but his teammates, his organization, and most Memphis fans would all honestly say he’s been very reliable.
@@reillybrittain9591 - Of course his team, fans and organization will say he is reliable. What are they supposed to say? The dude is no leader and it shows off the court and in the playoffs. And, once those falls start to add up and his athleticism declines, his game will be exposed. His less than 32% from the arc and more that 3 turnovers a game will be louder.
oh yeah and he was top 5 in MVP running. Leave the hate/praise to the pros (players or analysts) or at least the people who read into more than 10 stats
Context though. Ant injured himself three times in that game. Nesmith broke his ankles in the first 30 seconds. Big reason Ant was hobbling in playoffs.
@@damonarvid3548 I missed the first quarter of that game and didn't really know why Ant was being so aggressive towards Nesmith. Now it makes sense. I'd be pissed off, too. 🤣
Championship windows open and then they close. Both of these MVPs got a chip (nuggets might have had more opportunities if not for the Murray injury), they are accomplished, but the teams assets and options have dwindled.
I’m an Arsenal supporter and I wouldn’t be surprised if Denver have peaked.. they’ll hang around the conversation, but not sure they going back to the finals anytime soon.
Even if he is harsh to the other guys and brutal when faced with dissenting opinions, Botemps is top-level. His analysis is almost always so spot on.The one notable exception is his complete overevaluation of the Knicks. If the truth be told, I cannot blame him for this. If you love a particular, team, it is impossible to be objective. But the point is that the dude goes straight to the heart of the matter and lays out an airtight analysis, again and again.
As long as Jokic is there, and AG/Mal are healthy, they will always have a chance. There is a difference between contender and favorites to win. I’ve heard and seen Nick Wright call the Lakers contenders enough to know that a single player can make a team contenders, no matter how unrealistic
The easiest SALE from all teams is MIL - with the biggest choker in history as a HC, older squad, concerns about Kris' health and poor bench unit i just cant see anything good for them unless Dame or Giannis go supernova
Giannis and Dame are both very motivated to excel this year, but Giannis turns 30yo in Dec. and plays an injury-prone style of bball so hopefully he can make it to the end of the year. Got a feeling he's gonna put up record numbers on the court, but don't know if it'll translate into wins like it used to when they had a great defense.
You'd think cos they're a little older in their low 30's yeah, but then you see 40yr old LeBron dominate in the Olympics so anything's possible. The question will be if they remain injury-free by the start of the playoffs. If they do they have a good shot to go all the way. I wouldn't count them out.
They don't have a bad bench anymore. They have multiple ascending young players and several excellent vets. Delon Wright, Taurean Prince, Bobby Portis, AJ Green, Chris Livingston, etc. These are all good players to come off the bench. People who don't watch the team have to not try to comment about their depth.
@@NBALegacyHighlights Its a joke when Charlotte or the Bulls are probably making the play in. The west has like 10 teams that finish with 50 wins and teams with 38 get into the play in in the east
@@blablablaa14are you insane, giannis averaged 30 pts at a 60% of his field goals were made. That’s never happened before, he’s the best player cause he can destroy one on one or two
I think memphis is the biggest buy out of this group. Hoping ja has gotten past his off court issues and joins ant, shai, wemby, etc to be the future talent of the nba. The team has good amount of youth and depth to support ja. If edey can grab some rebounds, play somd decent defense that's huge. Jaren jackson should be much better at the 4.
Agreed, I think they'll be competing with MIN for that #2 spot in the west (behind okc). MEM returning to being a great reg. season team but knocked out in 2nd round.
@@JERWINIVANCORBETA Why do you introduce Luka into this when he .... didn't even mention Luka? I take that to mean he thinks Luka is a current star, and he mentioned future ones. So you being butthurt is a bit misplaced.
People only remember the 2nd half of game 7 but reggie jackson was great for the nuggets last year as well especially when murray was out...justin holiday wasn't bad either for his salary...
Context is important though, the contract wont be bad because its a big contract - itll be bad because they already paid MPJ 40M per year, Aaron Gordon mid 20Ms per year, and because of the tax and 2nd apron theyre already losing a bunch of role players. Theyll have Jokic and Murray, and thats it.
Yeah, true, but Jokic could win with A LOT of players in the league. Theyre basically gonna be sinking a generational player by handing out maxes to mid players who would be universally known as roleplayers if they didn't play with him. It's malpractice what they're doing to Jok's career.
This is my favorite thing that they are doing. “Absolutely had a chance to win last year but they lost KCP and now they have zero chance” Makes no sense. KCP was one of the main reasons we lost last year. Christian Brown is a better defender. Period. And Inthink they will find a way to replace the 9 points/game. And if Braun can hit 3s at 35 percent, he will space the floor the same. 😊
@@HI-te4bp exactly, they did this to stop super teams, but it penalizes teams who actually draft and and develop players. Minnesota and OKC are going to find themselves in a similar situation in the next 2-3 years. J dub and chet are both eligible next year. If they pay them both and then give sga the supermax who else can they pay.
It's not about the Kroenkes being cheap in any way, shape or form. It's the severe restrictions on actions the front office can take if the team went into the second apron. The front office chose future flexibility over KCP. The real problem the Nuggets face is because they mismanaged their cap situation over a handful of years. For example, MPJ is a role player with a max contract. But to be fair, Connelly couldn't have foreseen the draconian new collective bargaining agreement meant to punish teams like the Nuggets.
@@tompratt7125 completely understand. But I think when you have a championship window you should try and maximize it. They just didn't push the envelope.
Why are we so sure that Glen Taylor will come out of this victorious? Outside of his role in the secret society of NBA governors, the paperwork and details that have leaked seem to indicate Marc and A-Rod were proper in their transaction(s).
Miami drafting ware seems like the steal of the draft in summer league...he is a better more versatile version of lively just a little less young and doesn't get to play off luka....probably has more potential
This is my favorite thing that they are doing. Absolutely we’re the best team and had a chance to win last year but they lost KCP and now they had zero chance. Makes no sense. KCP was one of the main reasons we lost last year. Christian Brown is a better defender. Period. And Inthink they will find a way to replace the 9 points/game. And if Braun can hit 3s at 35 percent, he will space the floor the same. 😊
I do think the Knicks can repeat as a #2 seed, yhey can definitely build on ehat they did last year for sure. Tibs is good and the pieces ro me were burned with the injuries. 76's and Denver as well as the Bucks give more questions than answers. Westbrook to Denver doesnt change anything! As well as PG to the sixers! Dame and Giannis still gave a lot of questions, especially on the defensive end. Giannis can carry you most of the way but Dame has to be the closer and im not sure that can sustain all season. Dont think its Bucks hate it just sometimes is the reality. Milwaukee isn't a strong market either.
USA should get more foreigners like Mr Cameron. Serbia has NO foreigners all home grown. USA worth over 2 billion in contracts. Desperation from the Americans.
The whole reason they gave Zeke an extension is to force Malone to play him because he did not play him. They got rid of KCP now they have no choice but to go with the use movement and this is Malone’s fault.
The discussion on the Nuggets, I went to Denver Rockets games as a kid. Denver overpaid for Murray and MPJ, so they are in a bad place. Denver lives or dies with young players.
I like the mavs for next season but the defense after that will suffer as guys age and the t wolves are weird for me...they have a chance to make the finals have a bright future if they keep ant but he might leave and they have to think about trading towns and not keeping rudy signing naz reid and hope these young guys like reid mcdaniels walker shannon and rob can get better help them now in the playoffs and going forward as conley ages and rudy ages or is off the team
All this Empathy for Denver after one championship and now selling.. But a few days ago tore the Lakers front office apart for not being able to retain KCP etc..!
because they (the Lakers) made a big move to get westbrook for no reason. The nuggets got screwed by the new CBA which means they couldn't pay all their guys without going into the 2nd apron for years. The Lakers had no such issue.
Really? Selling on the nuggets?.... That makes 0 sense.... Even less sense by stock Logic.... Sell because it's going down? You buy low and sell high...
76ers will never win. Especially not with embiid as THE centerpiece. Giannis had an incredibly lucky (injuries to other key players) run to the finals win. Nuggets were never THAT dominant to not face significant doubt every season and Murray is done, so the run is over.
Calling out Zion for not finishing a season even though he played 70 games. You guys have done nothing but drool over Embiid.. what did he play, 40? Not even that.
Obviously 2012-2013 lebron two ways was the best version of lebron cause he had to do less with better help around him brian and he had the 3 point shot off ball for once...he was peak mj that year....2018 lebron didn't have the defense nor the help or right team around him...he also needed 7 to beat the weak pacers in round 1 and got lucky that kyrie was hurt in the celtics series and the cavs were a 4 seed
Wish yall included trade predictions in this…I don’t believe in the current Cavs either but I think all 3/4 of their main guys are positive assets n that they will make a trade eventually. That said I’d sell bc i don’t buy Evan Mobley and dmitch alone is not enough However I’d also assume the pels make a trade for a center eventually. Cj worst case is a big expiring n I think bi gets traded not extended. Zion is also a health concern but Murray jones n Murphy alone is a high floor. Anything Zion gives you is extra. N end of the day they were a first round exit. I think that’s a pretty low price. I’d buy the pels But the exercise is too easy if you don’t include possible trades. You don’t win or lose in the stock market based on a snapshot of the company at purchase. It’s a projection. Can’t leave out trades
Denver have enough of young talent, those guys talking like they never watched Denver's game. Two great 1- 3 defenders, Braun and Watson, potential great shooter in Strawther, MPJ is better every year, Jamal as a wild card, Gordon, Westbrook...
Ja was also suspended 25 games last year to start...everyone needs to calm down....the grizzlies are a top 5 west team next year if healthy maybe top 4 cause nuggets are 1 injury away from disaster..the pelicans and suns are not better as zion and kd were healthy last year and they lost games...we know the lakers kings warriors spurs jazz blazers rockets clippers won't be top 6 caliber...
Most west teams are 1 injury away from disaster. The Grizzlies even moreso than the Nuggets lmao. Desmond Bane gets hurt, Ja's not carrying like that. If Jamal gets hurt, carrying the Nuggets without jamal is what Jokic has done constantly for almost 5 years.
Can’t leave out trade predictions in this exercise. Profits in the stock market aren’t solely based on a snapshot of the company at purchase. It’s abt projection n trades are a big part of that. I’d bet Cavs and pels both make a move this yr. Still would sell Cavs bc I don’t believe in Mobley. He’s their most underwater asset. For that reason I don’t see them getting a player better than him back if they traded him. N he’s supposedly the complementary top end talent to help dmitch get over the top. Dmitch alone is not enough to the Cavs to an ecf. I’d buy the pels bc Murray jones n Murphy are enough of a stabilizer alone. They have assets (bi cj n picks) to help them improve upon that core. N what they need is not THAT hard to find. then you have Zion as the ultimate ceiling raiser. Whatever you get from him is kinda extra in my mind n he might not be who we expected him to be, but he’s not gonna be a zero. N their price is lower than the Cavs as a first rd exit last year
@@Shortballa11Dame was injured as still scored 31, 3, and 5 on 64%ts in the post season. He was better than Maxey this playoffs as well, even tho Maxey elevated. He was a far better pullup shooter than Maxey was too. Maxey is better off the catch rather than pullups (again elevated in post season, but is still worse), and the Khris Middleton vs PG part isn't even debatable. He was dramatically better as a first option than PG.
@@smgyro1476 Dame wasn’t better than Maxey this post season. You don’t get credit for missing games and getting beat in 5, 6 games? Also we always need to factor in defense when having this discussion
@@lilshawnweezy1 Dame played 4 and they got smoked in 5. Dont get it twisted, I dont have faith in the 76ers. But Maxey a dog, and only getting better.
ESPN rode that train all the way until they beat the Lakers in game 4 of 2023. I wouldn’t be shocked for any of them to be back off it. Not that there aren’t real concerns, but for now, in Jokic we trust.
Memphis might be the best team between those teams. Not fully conviced in Dallas and Wolves but they are playoffs teams. Heat are done, Bucks will be a desapointment as Cavs and Nuggets. Pelicans depends on Zion. If he is in shape, nobody can guard him. Pels might trade for Vucevic, maybe it works.
Agree Memphis has the most potential out of this group. I'm not sold on Zion because he's one dimensional and should be a better rebounder. Nawlins definitely need a center or they can't progress.
Lol putting the Nuggets and Bucks below memphis is hilarious. Completely unproven team, they'd still lose to the Lakers in a playoffs series until proven otherwise.
I am not a fan of either team but actually i think you actually destroyed your own argument. I also note that you must be a very insecure person who does not know how to persuade people since you have to resort to All Caps
the Nuggets sell needs to be specifically selling Calvin Booth, a man who gives off the impression he erroneously always thinks he’s the smartest man in the room
Windhorst has definitely lost some weight. Good for him.
He comes across as too nice a guy to want to mention it, but he has been at a scary weight for a number of years now.
I am happy to see your comment . Too much hostility to these three men. We should all want the best for each other especially since we all have family
The sound fx 😭😭😭😭😭
I had to stop listening on my headphones, I tried later in the day with a Bluetooth speaker and it still was too much.
K Midd or PG in the playoffs I’m taking Money Midd all the way😂💯
Kash money
Clowns tryna act like the Bucks don't have Trent, Prince and Wright. Surely if the Lakers got those 3 players then their song would be different. Bucks are winning the East. #1. As long as Giannis and Dame aren't sitting out games esp playoffs. No team in the East are beating them. Start at #2 and rank yalls favorites from there.. Bucks will be #1..😂
😂😂😂
Boston Celtics still exists fool. At best, the Bucks is #2 team in the east. No one's beating Boston unless some catastrophic injury for Tatum or Brown.
Paul George in the 2024 playoffs :
19.5-7-5 on 41/37/84 and got his feelings hurt by PJ Washington
Khris Middleton in the 2024 playoffs :
24.7-9-5 on 48/35/90 while hurt
but sure Bontemps .. “not even a discussion”
Now do WestBRICKs numbers in this years playoffs
lol
middleton had to play 40 minutes with “patrick beverly” as his point guard .. so that’s irrelevant
You're ignoring regular season and that Middleton is as injured if not more injured than PG while being good at best on defense while PG is very good. Plus Middleton was going up against a average to bad defense while PG was up against a very good defense.
@@derekbrown3447PG is like 95 percent of NBA players:Overrated.
@@marcelmarshall4240 kind of a pessimistic way to be a fan of the nba
Philly more top end than bucks and not a debate ?
giannis vs embiid - embiid is a constant playoff choker and is just as risky to have a health issue
dame - maxey - basically a wash with dame having a more proven track record
midd - george - midd is low key a better player, the stats in the playoffs confirm this
PG13 been getting overrated for a while because ppl like how smooth his game is
Embiid not having a title doesn't mean he's a choker yet you've never mentioned how Dame's never won a single conference final game in his entire career and is only getting older and worse whilst Maxey's on the come-up lol plus Bucks have Doc Rivers
@@Shortballa11 really? Well PG will be a third option who's one of the best shooters in the league and has been his entire career next to an MVP calibre player and one of the best players in the league in Tyrese Maxey
@@kaysheye7784that was also the case in LA. Didn’t do anything. Granted, this team fit is different
@@Sticktothemodels he was the 2nd option behind Harden in the most recent playoffs since Kawhi was hurt (again), he's never been anything less than a 2nd option his entire career
Nuggets title hopes depend a lot more on Murray's health than KCP not being there imo. Also ya'll are severely underrating Christian Braun's defensive impact.
They don't watch games or do actual analysis, they just go off of names and narratives.
KCP was nonexistent on defense and offense last postseason. His offense wasn't good in the regular season but he never got the blame for whatever reason.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Yup. Losing KCP sucks, they are objectively better with pope in the lineup, but CB is a better defender against bigger guards like Ant and Luka, who theyre just as likely to see as SGA and booker in April. Only thing they collectively got right it seems is how bad Nnaji's contract is and how dumb it was to extend him when hes unplayable.
@@WhosImmortal On point, 100% right
@@rainofkhandaq6678hoop collective is espns only dudes who watch the games. Thats cap. KCP had a bad series but cmon now
Y'all act like KCP isnt a big part of the defensive scheme of the Nuggets.
He's a good one on one defender but gets bullied by bigger dude like Ant, now thats a specific thing because the man is one of the top 3 screen navigator in the league and a reason why Denver is a competent defensive team while not exposing Jokic too much, with his ability to disturb PnR and handoffs.
The reality of last season for Nuggets IMHO, was that they were running to the ground big time by Malone and their regular season management was a joke. Either you make sure to have the best road for the playoffs (number 1 seed) either you go full "lets rest people, involve a potential 1/2 7-8 minutes rotational player for playoffs time, make sure we arrive fresh and healthy nobody can beat us".
They just ended up with number 2 seed (with this horrible SAS game) while running on fumes.
Now even with Murray coming back healthy, their defining factor will be a leap of CB and P Wat.
Personnally, I would have run it back with the same crew, you still have CB/Pwat/Strawher with learning curve/solidifying the bench behind the 2 next solid year of KCP and your draft picks. I know 2nd apron can be a killer, but you have to maximize Joker prime where each year is a potential championship and let Booth prove the genius he thinks to be for drafting.
Lmaoooo that inside joke wasn’t so inside 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
it still is for me, can you explain it
Elaborate you ho 😂
No way bucks are an easy sell. They got younger guys that can keep up with giannis and I’m sure dame is pissed on how he performed. Giannis will be a beast as always, he literally carries the team but I think this season will be different. You can’t count them out when you have giannis and dame. It’s impossible
weirdest audio issues I've ever heard.
Sounds almost like living near a military base with them practicing mortars 😂
it was weird , good description tho 😂
it was an explosion kind of effect applied whenever one of them were "selling" stock.
very bad quality effect though so not the best edit job here...
glad I wasn't the only one hearing this, felt a bit crazy.
It was just an effect they put on, they also had a ding
Denver took the same approach GSW did after winning in ‘22. Instead of re-signing pivotal role players, ie Otto potter jr, GP2, Bjelica; they decided to let their young upcoming guys fill those roles. And obviously it didn’t work. DEN seems to be making the same mistake. First they let Bruce & Jeff Green walk, now they let KCP and Reggie walk. Role players are so important to winning a championship and not all young guys are immediately ready to fill those roles.
My friend…KCP was one of the main reasons we LOST. Jamal gets the headlines…but it was pope and Reggie Jackson DOES NOT FIT THIS SYSTEM.
Wendy stop reaching with the Bucks. They are just a HUGE maybe 🤷🏾♂️. If Middleton is himself and healthy, they do have a shot. Start slow any injuries for the big 2 season might be on life support by Christmas
Mavs added Klay Naji & Grimes. All amazing 3poimt shooters and defenders even though klay has slightly digressed but still great roster and one of the deepest bench ITL. Also spence, great ball handler and can create shots and clutch and was a huge part of that 2022 WCF run. Also a 7’5 defensive stopper. They were just a few pieces away from beating Boston and I think they’ll be able to this time with hopefully a HEALTHY Luka and Kyrie getting over the hump. Whoever they met, I think they will beat. They should be the favorites, no doubt💯💯
McMahon killed it on Knicks film school!!
Hey ESPN, any chance every single advertisement can be something other than betting? It's fuxking annoying
Then step your game up and get a premium account.
@@DrPhill96 thanks for the advice Dr. Phil, way to use your imaginary degree
@@matthewbedient1525 - Stop wasting your money on cheap beer and cigarettes.
@@DrPhill96
it never ceases to amaze me every time its cavs corner
The net rating of each of the Bucks most used lineups last season which was with a worse roster than they have now, and with an out of shape Dame/injuried Khris:
Starting lineup: 15.5 (highest amoungst all starting lineups in the entire league
2nd most used: 13.3
3rd most used: 27.4
4th most used: 17.5
The best and most used lineups for the Bucks last year didn't just beat teams, they DESTROYED teams. The problems were any other lineups outside if these were mostly disastrous. The roster had a lot of weak links and bad fits last year due to the last minute acquiring of Dame the previous season. Not anymore, but keep sleeping on them and their depth. Go ahead and just corinate the Knicks and 76ers. It'll make this season that much more satisfying.
"When did that ever stop you".....oooooh burnnnnn.
I mean the way some of these smaller NBA media or podcast platforms have done their rankings, it sure seems like a lot of people have forgotten about Ja Morant and what other NBA players were saying about Ja Morant 2 years ago.
It’s deserved.‘Ja is not reliable.
@@DrPhill96 Says what? His total of 1 serious injury and a couple of incredibly immature decisions? yeah, compared to his incredible efficiency and plus minus when he’s on the floor and the large amount of highlights and game winning plays he’s made in his young career. he’s played a lot more games than he’s missed, so unreliable isn’t the right word. It’s disappointing the time he’s missed and and some of the decisions he’s made, but his teammates, his organization, and most Memphis fans would all honestly say he’s been very reliable.
@@reillybrittain9591 - Of course his team, fans and organization will say he is reliable. What are they supposed to say? The dude is no leader and it shows off the court and in the playoffs.
And, once those falls start to add up and his athleticism declines, his game will be exposed. His less than 32% from the arc and more that 3 turnovers a game will be louder.
oh yeah and he was top 5 in MVP running. Leave the hate/praise to the pros (players or analysts) or at least the people who read into more than 10 stats
That Ant block against the Pacers was the most ANIMAL block I've ever seen.
Context though. Ant injured himself three times in that game. Nesmith broke his ankles in the first 30 seconds. Big reason Ant was hobbling in playoffs.
@@damonarvid3548 I missed the first quarter of that game and didn't really know why Ant was being so aggressive towards Nesmith. Now it makes sense. I'd be pissed off, too. 🤣
Loving the milwaukee hate, just more fuel for Giannis and Dame
Windy was acting out on this one 😂
Championship windows open and then they close. Both of these MVPs got a chip (nuggets might have had more opportunities if not for the Murray injury), they are accomplished, but the teams assets and options have dwindled.
How tf does the Pels keep getting stupid centres that dont fit
I’m an Arsenal supporter and I wouldn’t be surprised if Denver have peaked.. they’ll hang around the conversation, but not sure they going back to the finals anytime soon.
Even if he is harsh to the other guys and brutal when faced with dissenting opinions, Botemps is top-level. His analysis is almost always so spot on.The one notable exception is his complete overevaluation of the Knicks. If the truth be told, I cannot blame him for this. If you love a particular, team, it is impossible to be objective. But the point is that the dude goes straight to the heart of the matter and lays out an airtight analysis, again and again.
"Sixere have bette4 top end talent and it not even debatable" thats when i stopped listening to this pod and will never listen to Tim again
As long as Jokic is there, and AG/Mal are healthy, they will always have a chance. There is a difference between contender and favorites to win. I’ve heard and seen Nick Wright call the Lakers contenders enough to know that a single player can make a team contenders, no matter how unrealistic
Sound effects are terrible
The easiest SALE from all teams is MIL - with the biggest choker in history as a HC, older squad, concerns about Kris' health and poor bench unit i just cant see anything good for them unless Dame or Giannis go supernova
Giannis and Dame are both very motivated to excel this year, but Giannis turns 30yo in Dec. and plays an injury-prone style of bball so hopefully he can make it to the end of the year. Got a feeling he's gonna put up record numbers on the court, but don't know if it'll translate into wins like it used to when they had a great defense.
You'd think cos they're a little older in their low 30's yeah, but then you see 40yr old LeBron dominate in the Olympics so anything's possible. The question will be if they remain injury-free by the start of the playoffs. If they do they have a good shot to go all the way. I wouldn't count them out.
They don't have a bad bench anymore. They have multiple ascending young players and several excellent vets. Delon Wright, Taurean Prince, Bobby Portis, AJ Green, Chris Livingston, etc. These are all good players to come off the bench. People who don't watch the team have to not try to comment about their depth.
Giannis might actually win the MVP (you never know)
He's not the MVP is from the West, the East is a joke
@@blablablaa14 Even tho West is better than the East
East is still good and not a joke don’t take them lightly.
@@NBALegacyHighlights Its a joke when Charlotte or the Bulls are probably making the play in. The west has like 10 teams that finish with 50 wins and teams with 38 get into the play in in the east
@@blablablaa14 It’s still not a joke tho. (Boston Celtics won a championship and they were the East)
@@blablablaa14are you insane, giannis averaged 30 pts at a 60% of his field goals were made. That’s never happened before, he’s the best player cause he can destroy one on one or two
The assessment of the Bucks is absolutely hilarious 😂 I LOVE how y'all are sleeping. 4th or 5th in the EAST?! 🤣🤣🤣
I like how they did this podcast In Gaza ,with the bombs constantly going off in the background . Very brave of them ❤️
ESPN on hate of African life improvement….. why do mix politics in sports leave Rwanda issues with US foreign affairs not in sports
2:38. Paul George over Dame in the playoffs is crazy work
I think memphis is the biggest buy out of this group. Hoping ja has gotten past his off court issues and joins ant, shai, wemby, etc to be the future talent of the nba. The team has good amount of youth and depth to support ja. If edey can grab some rebounds, play somd decent defense that's huge. Jaren jackson should be much better at the 4.
Agreed, I think they'll be competing with MIN for that #2 spot in the west (behind okc). MEM returning to being a great reg. season team but knocked out in 2nd round.
Edey will be rookie of the year.
Lmao you’re acting like Luka is 30 years old😂🫵🤡
@@JERWINIVANCORBETA Why do you introduce Luka into this when he .... didn't even mention Luka? I take that to mean he thinks Luka is a current star, and he mentioned future ones. So you being butthurt is a bit misplaced.
People only remember the 2nd half of game 7 but reggie jackson was great for the nuggets last year as well especially when murray was out...justin holiday wasn't bad either for his salary...
Enjoy this Pod and I always find the Tims more blunt than Windy which I like
Jamal Murray's new contract will bury the franchise and ruin Jokić's legacy.
Maybe they have all thier picks i think not resigning kcp was insane they had a contender not really anymore
you can't be serious? that duo won the only ring for their franchise, their legacy is secure. they werent gonna win another one
Context is important though, the contract wont be bad because its a big contract - itll be bad because they already paid MPJ 40M per year, Aaron Gordon mid 20Ms per year, and because of the tax and 2nd apron theyre already losing a bunch of role players. Theyll have Jokic and Murray, and thats it.
Agreed….the guy just doesn’t look right
Yeah, true, but Jokic could win with A LOT of players in the league. Theyre basically gonna be sinking a generational player by handing out maxes to mid players who would be universally known as roleplayers if they didn't play with him. It's malpractice what they're doing to Jok's career.
This is my favorite thing that they are doing. “Absolutely had a chance to win last year but they lost KCP and now they have zero chance” Makes no sense. KCP was one of the main reasons we lost last year. Christian Brown is a better defender.
Period.
And Inthink they will find a way to replace the 9 points/game. And if Braun can hit 3s at 35 percent, he will space the floor the same.
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I am a nuggets fan.. we are cooked. Kroenke's cheap pockets cost them another championship. Glad we got one.
Tbf the second apron fucked the nuggets more, they literally couldn’t pay kcp any more. Same reason why the knicks lost hartenstein
@@HI-te4bp exactly, they did this to stop super teams, but it penalizes teams who actually draft and and develop players. Minnesota and OKC are going to find themselves in a similar situation in the next 2-3 years. J dub and chet are both eligible next year. If they pay them both and then give sga the supermax who else can they pay.
I wish Kroenke would use his money to get Arsenal a Premier League or Champions League trophy lol
It's not about the Kroenkes being cheap in any way, shape or form. It's the severe restrictions on actions the front office can take if the team went into the second apron. The front office chose future flexibility over KCP. The real problem the Nuggets face is because they mismanaged their cap situation over a handful of years. For example, MPJ is a role player with a max contract. But to be fair, Connelly couldn't have foreseen the draconian new collective bargaining agreement meant to punish teams like the Nuggets.
@@tompratt7125 completely understand. But I think when you have a championship window you should try and maximize it. They just didn't push the envelope.
Why are we so sure that Glen Taylor will come out of this victorious? Outside of his role in the secret society of NBA governors, the paperwork and details that have leaked seem to indicate Marc and A-Rod were proper in their transaction(s).
Woooow no lakers talk? Absurd
I shut it off when I noticed that
Dawg these dudes haven't watched Paul George since 2019 lol
The two players are not trending down, but their teams maybe.
Miami drafting ware seems like the steal of the draft in summer league...he is a better more versatile version of lively just a little less young and doesn't get to play off luka....probably has more potential
DID I JUST HEAR TYREESE MAXEY IS LIGHTYEARS AHEAD OF KHRIS MIDDLETON?????? LMFAOOOOOOO what a clown
Edey will be rookie of the year.
Never thought I would hear skibidi Ohio rizzler on this podcast
never do the sound effects again
The Dallas Mavs are geared to be a repeat of the 80's Lakers- Magic and Kareem- of our time. Watch out.
The point is this, if you don’t spend money you’re not going to build a championship calibre team moving forward.
The loss of kcp and the lackluster play of murray as of late doesn't bode well for the nuggets this year and they only added westbrook.
This is my favorite thing that they are doing. Absolutely we’re the best team and had a chance to win last year but they lost KCP and now they had zero chance. Makes no sense. KCP was one of the main reasons we lost last year. Christian Brown is a better defender.
Period.
And Inthink they will find a way to replace the 9 points/game. And if Braun can hit 3s at 35 percent, he will space the floor the same.
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Crying @ 25:00 -
25:47 The bomb drop😭
I do think the Knicks can repeat as a #2 seed, yhey can definitely build on ehat they did last year for sure. Tibs is good and the pieces ro me were burned with the injuries. 76's and Denver as well as the Bucks give more questions than answers. Westbrook to Denver doesnt change anything! As well as PG to the sixers! Dame and Giannis still gave a lot of questions, especially on the defensive end. Giannis can carry you most of the way but Dame has to be the closer and im not sure that can sustain all season. Dont think its Bucks hate it just sometimes is the reality. Milwaukee isn't a strong market either.
Whos stars will be healthier come playoff time, 76ers or Bucks. This is the hardest question to answer this season
I'm buying nuggets stock. Peyton Watson and Christian Braun are the truth. Don't sleep on those young studs.
USA should get more foreigners like Mr Cameron. Serbia has NO foreigners all home grown. USA worth over 2 billion in contracts. Desperation from the Americans.
Jokic may need to go Orlando or
Some other team with youth
Cap space and in the East
The whole reason they gave Zeke an extension is to force Malone to play him because he did not play him. They got rid of KCP now they have no choice but to go with the use movement and this is Malone’s fault.
The discussion on the Nuggets, I went to Denver Rockets games as a kid. Denver overpaid for Murray and MPJ, so they are in a bad place. Denver lives or dies with young players.
I like the mavs for next season but the defense after that will suffer as guys age and the t wolves are weird for me...they have a chance to make the finals have a bright future if they keep ant but he might leave and they have to think about trading towns and not keeping rudy signing naz reid and hope these young guys like reid mcdaniels walker shannon and rob can get better help them now in the playoffs and going forward as conley ages and rudy ages or is off the team
Why does everybody stay glazing PG? Dude has not had a good playoff series since 2021...
Windy, please throw out the first pitch at the baseball game. It's your bobblehead night!
All this Empathy for Denver after one championship and now selling.. But a few days ago tore the Lakers front office apart for not being able to retain KCP etc..!
because they (the Lakers) made a big move to get westbrook for no reason. The nuggets got screwed by the new CBA which means they couldn't pay all their guys without going into the 2nd apron for years. The Lakers had no such issue.
Brian , please stop interrupting your cohosts that is so rude, your parents obviously didnt raise you well, I hope someone tells him !
if klay just has to spot up and shoot. dallas will be scary this year if he get's his form back.
missed the ultimate winners, Pacers there.
Really? Selling on the nuggets?.... That makes 0 sense.... Even less sense by stock Logic.... Sell because it's going down? You buy low and sell high...
Then buy on the Bucks?...
If it was really stocks, we would have a "Hold" option. I guess that would be boring.
I want to hear about Wemby and Spurs
76ers will never win. Especially not with embiid as THE centerpiece. Giannis had an incredibly lucky (injuries to other key players) run to the finals win. Nuggets were never THAT dominant to not face significant doubt every season and Murray is done, so the run is over.
Cutos to Brunson liken many others such as Curry leaving millions on the table to contend for chips. New CBA reguires rookie contracts
Am I the only one who thinks Lively is close to a guarantee to be on team USA in 2028?
Calling out Zion for not finishing a season even though he played 70 games. You guys have done nothing but drool over Embiid.. what did he play, 40? Not even that.
Owner make their salary cap rules just to “complain” about it. It’s all about earning more money.
Don’t do a pad… smoke some pot… ups you already did! Well done boys!
Obviously 2012-2013 lebron two ways was the best version of lebron cause he had to do less with better help around him brian and he had the 3 point shot off ball for once...he was peak mj that year....2018 lebron didn't have the defense nor the help or right team around him...he also needed 7 to beat the weak pacers in round 1 and got lucky that kyrie was hurt in the celtics series and the cavs were a 4 seed
Those who do not learn from the Lakers past are doomed to repeat it! Or something like that.
Jamal Murray is 100% struggling emotionally/psychologically. send him help please.
Wish yall included trade predictions in this…I don’t believe in the current Cavs either but I think all 3/4 of their main guys are positive assets n that they will make a trade eventually. That said I’d sell bc i don’t buy Evan Mobley and dmitch alone is not enough
However I’d also assume the pels make a trade for a center eventually. Cj worst case is a big expiring n I think bi gets traded not extended. Zion is also a health concern but Murray jones n Murphy alone is a high floor. Anything Zion gives you is extra. N end of the day they were a first round exit. I think that’s a pretty low price. I’d buy the pels
But the exercise is too easy if you don’t include possible trades. You don’t win or lose in the stock market based on a snapshot of the company at purchase. It’s a projection. Can’t leave out trades
ant got 'chips' on jokic? mvps? no. ring? no. finals mvp? no.... he just got a mouth lol
What’s with the massive bass drops? Nearly blew out my subs
Denver have enough of young talent, those guys talking like they never watched Denver's game. Two great 1- 3 defenders, Braun and Watson, potential great shooter in Strawther, MPJ is better every year, Jamal as a wild card, Gordon, Westbrook...
these fellas, can put an energy drink to sleep.
Ja was also suspended 25 games last year to start...everyone needs to calm down....the grizzlies are a top 5 west team next year if healthy maybe top 4 cause nuggets are 1 injury away from disaster..the pelicans and suns are not better as zion and kd were healthy last year and they lost games...we know the lakers kings warriors spurs jazz blazers rockets clippers won't be top 6 caliber...
Most west teams are 1 injury away from disaster. The Grizzlies even moreso than the Nuggets lmao. Desmond Bane gets hurt, Ja's not carrying like that. If Jamal gets hurt, carrying the Nuggets without jamal is what Jokic has done constantly for almost 5 years.
Teams should get a tax exemption for their own drafted players. Reward smart scouting.
Can’t leave out trade predictions in this exercise. Profits in the stock market aren’t solely based on a snapshot of the company at purchase. It’s abt projection n trades are a big part of that.
I’d bet Cavs and pels both make a move this yr.
Still would sell Cavs bc I don’t believe in Mobley. He’s their most underwater asset. For that reason I don’t see them getting a player better than him back if they traded him. N he’s supposedly the complementary top end talent to help dmitch get over the top. Dmitch alone is not enough to the Cavs to an ecf.
I’d buy the pels bc Murray jones n Murphy are enough of a stabilizer alone. They have assets (bi cj n picks) to help them improve upon that core. N what they need is not THAT hard to find. then you have Zion as the ultimate ceiling raiser. Whatever you get from him is kinda extra in my mind n he might not be who we expected him to be, but he’s not gonna be a zero. N their price is lower than the Cavs as a first rd exit last year
The USWB strikes again
Dame and Khris have been better than PG and Maxey in the playoffs, no debate
Maxey played better this year and was ascending. But Middleton, PG13 is a real convo
@@Shortballa11Dame was injured as still scored 31, 3, and 5 on 64%ts in the post season. He was better than Maxey this playoffs as well, even tho Maxey elevated. He was a far better pullup shooter than Maxey was too. Maxey is better off the catch rather than pullups (again elevated in post season, but is still worse), and the Khris Middleton vs PG part isn't even debatable. He was dramatically better as a first option than PG.
@@smgyro1476 Dame wasn’t better than Maxey this post season. You don’t get credit for missing games and getting beat in 5, 6 games? Also we always need to factor in defense when having this discussion
@@Shortballa11df the 76ers played all of their guys and lost in 6 😂😂
@@lilshawnweezy1 Dame played 4 and they got smoked in 5. Dont get it twisted, I dont have faith in the 76ers. But Maxey a dog, and only getting better.
ESPN rode that train all the way until they beat the Lakers in game 4 of 2023. I wouldn’t be shocked for any of them to be back off it.
Not that there aren’t real concerns, but for now, in Jokic we trust.
when in the last couple years has paul george been a lock down defender?
To McMahon's point on dal vs minn series being close and mavs being down for most of part in 3 games, let's not forget Luka was injured.
The dude in the right keep stuttering while windy is comparing the bucks and the 76ers. Lol.
Memphis might be the best team between those teams. Not fully conviced in Dallas and Wolves but they are playoffs teams.
Heat are done, Bucks will be a desapointment as Cavs and Nuggets.
Pelicans depends on Zion. If he is in shape, nobody can guard him. Pels might trade for Vucevic, maybe it works.
Agree Memphis has the most potential out of this group. I'm not sold on Zion because he's one dimensional and should be a better rebounder. Nawlins definitely need a center or they can't progress.
Lol putting the Nuggets and Bucks below memphis is hilarious. Completely unproven team, they'd still lose to the Lakers in a playoffs series until proven otherwise.
HOW THE HELL TO PHILLY HAVE BETTER TOP END TALENT THEN THE BUCKS????????
GIANNIS>EMBIID
DAME>MAXEY
KHRIS>PG
I am not a fan of either team but actually i think you actually destroyed your own argument. I also note that you must be a very insecure person who does not know how to persuade people since you have to resort to All Caps
@@robertriteman3227 didn't ask g
Then do not post. I hope that some adult in your life will teach you the art of communication @@Bolt_btw
Rizzler mentioned
Without Murray Denver isn't going anywhere.He the closer
THE 2 BEST BIGS IN THE LEAGUE PLUS EMBIID at 3 for me- ALL 3 are contenders next year
the Nuggets sell needs to be specifically selling Calvin Booth, a man who gives off the impression he erroneously always thinks he’s the smartest man in the room