Gone are the day's of simply changing out a water pump or timing chain in a few hours by us shade tree mechanics. I have a 2012 F150 with the 3.5 L Ecoboost engine, looks like a nightmare. I'm glad I still own my 1976 F100 that I can tear down and rebuild blindfolded.
I only hope that if I have to go in for dealership service that the mechanics I get are as thorough as you. I get a hard time even asking them to use a torque wrench when mounting wheels let alone internal engine work. Great video, thank you.
Hi my name is Ian I’m from Newmarket Ontario Canada I would just like to say thank you for taking the time to make your videos I am a plumber by trade but do all my own auto work I have watched a lot of videos about working on various cars trucks over the years beside yourself and Scott Kilmer I would not recommend anyone else please keep up the great work. Thank you Ian
WARNING!:If you are changing the timing chain due to the rattle in cold start you have to change also de main tensioner and the phasers cam and sprocket cause the rattle its originated because somehow the phasers do not keep the hidraulic pressure on the line and thats why the tensioner its not doing its job mantaining the pressure on the main chain,if you just change the chain and the tensioner in about 6 months or less your chain its gonna be stretch again,so with that being said change de tensioners the chains and the 4 phasers and your truck its gonna be running fine for ever with out the rattle noise in cold start
when practical using a couple of bolts with heads cut off as guide pins works sweet for putting cases together. take a cutting wheel and put a slit in the end for removing bolt with flat blade. u do great work. someone people can learn from. thanx for the vids.
Yeah I gotta whole bunch of line up dowels I made for this and that. I probably could have used some on this job but it was hard to get the cover by the wiring harness on the oil pan so I just winged it.
Do the big number stampings on the sprockets mean anything? I don't mean the part numbers. They have a 1,2,or 3 stamped. I bought Melling sprockets and they are just motorcraft with the part numbers and fomoco ground off. My concern is I got an older design that will fail. Two are stamped 1, one 2, and one 3.
Does the 2011 5.0l have different timing chain setups? I have a 2011 f150 5.0l and it has two primary chains that run off the exhaust valves... this is clearly a different beast.
I have recently acquired a 2011 Ford F-150 with the 3.7 ltr, been a Ford guy my whole life....My father passed away and this was his truck, his baby(god rest his soul,my hero)... Any ideas on getting the most longevity out of these engines, any maintenance tips would be greatly appreciated....Thank you, and appreciate the video, very professional work!
Thank-You, enjoy your videos, I knew it was'nt snapon, i was just checking if it wasnt one of those harbor freight ones, everyone says how great some of those are, I've just never bought anything there
U r a great and patient tech. Unbelievably complicated pile. I imagine that u r being hypnotized by what u r listening too. No other person would do that kind of back breaking work. I hope they pay u a lot of money. Chevy or Dodge get good power with one tenth the complication. Think Ford. Spark plug blowout not enough threads. Then spark plug break when removing. Then 4.0 rear cassette. Fun and games. Phasers galore. Then the Diesel issues for many many years. When u pull up to a Ford diesel truck, they always stink terrible from horrible pollution. They can’t put a key way in anything. Could anybody tell me the business model in these few examples? Does Ford want to go out of business? Ever work on a Chevy? Or a Tundra? Or a Dodge? Where is this engineering coming from?
28:13 "additional 45deg" I hate this procedure. Not sure how common it is. But I also torqued everything to spec and tried to go back in to do additional 45 deg but lost track
Badass video. Do you have any recommendations on a good manual for Ford duratec engines 3.7L? I’m working on my 2010 Mazda CX-9 timing chain and basically the entire engine.
I've got an 2003 Mercury mountaineer with a 4.6 l and I've got a 2006 Mercury mountaineer with a 4.6 l V8 the 2003 has 256,000 and the 2006 has 224,000 I just changed the coils and spark plugs in both engines and they run like new never had a problem Ford still makes the best they're not EcoBoost engines but they still want good
I've been into hundreds of these now myself. Here are my thoughts. There is too much slack in those cam holding tools to be of any use. I don't even bother using them anymore. The timing marks on this engine are not difficult to align, in my opinion. Was this job retail or warranty? I would have sold a set of plugs and COP boots to go along with it at 30:57. Thank you for reminding me of the updated timing chain tensioner. I will now sell one with every set I replace. On 2011/12 trucks, now would be the best time to replace that dreaded vacuum pump too.
Saw your post and thought I'd ask. Do old COP boots cause any issues? I been chasing a rough idle on a 3.7 duratec Lincoln but never had a SEL. I've tore it down to replace the water pump but didn't see any issues at that time
I have a 2012 f150 Lariat that I just finally got paid off, it has 160k miles. I am being told the timing chain is stretched and one of the turbos is bad. They say is will cost $4000 to fix. Is it worth it to dump that much money into an engine with that many miles on it? I know nothing about this stuff...any advice would be greatly appreciated! Help! Thank you!!
What were the symptoms of the problem? Rattle on start up for about 3 seconds? P0016 camshaft code or both? Also, didnt these engines have issues with the cam phasers making noise at start up that can sound about the same as a loose chain?
Check engine light on with P0016 only other than that the engine was quiet and solid. I'm not sure about phaser noise as a pattern failure, I don't usually work on these things.
Sometimes on cold a start the engine with making a clunking noise for 3 seconds and go away. its normally the timing chain. and p0016 is a code aswell.
@@worldbestsoldiers timing chain won't fix it, for long. Guys with this noise that said it was permanently fixed had 4 phasers and timing belt replaced. Regained torque, horsepower and engine is silent as new Timing belt will restretch in just 3000 miles..... My 12 is doing this haven't fixed it yet.
Is the chain and tensioner an issue on Fords engines, and if so: why what's their weak points? How long (mileage) are they intended to last? Is the tensioner spring operated or hydraulic, or combo? Stellar work done. Thank you for sharing!
flmmaz sounds like a quality control issue from ford to not test the timing chains on there test engines from suppilers, this is just ridiculous the way this engine is put together like it belongs in some fighter jet
Sir do u have the torque spec for high pressure line on the high pressure fuel pump? Great video thanks for sharing your skills! I know I appreciate them.
why didn't you replace the intake and exhaust phasers because that is what cause the chain to stretch in the first place because i went through the same thing and it worked about 3 months but then it did it again and this time it jumped timing so now i am about to pull the engine see what damage is done and rebuild it better than ford ever thought of building it but really its going to do it again in a short time
This procedure was a tsb to repair a check engine light only. Other than the worn chain and outdated tensioner the rest of the engine was fine. This truck is still on the road with no issues.
May I ask, but why do you always remove the cab to do stuff like this? I can understand if its a diesel, but I for one work on Gas Engines and never see a reason to pull a cab to timing chains or motor pulls. Unless its a smaller car or SUV, I just pull the subframe with the engine. But on trucks, I've not seen much issues pulling them from top of the hood or working with the cab on. Is it easy to pull cabs on these trucks? I feel like its more of a hassle than what the job already is,
First and foremost it's a matter of preference. I personally do not like crawling around the engine compartment. That, coupled with the fact that I can have an F-150 cab off and back on in an hour and a half, makes it worth while.
Just wondering whether part removed at 6:32 was replaced with a new one? I do not have that part in the set I bought from ford. I will appreciate your advice. Thanks!
I did replace that piece, which is just an idler in this rear wheel drive application. It is extra and usually not needed, however this one had some play in the bearing and I did not want to chance it.
Cam and crank gears survive just fine, the idler gear has a bearing in it that can fail and take out the engine that and the fact that it rides on the outsides of the chain, so it got replaced.
flmmaz But what happened to Ford Tough? Was it replaced with another new Ford OEM shitty chain? Have you ever seen a Gas Ford with over 500,000 miles on original engine and Trans?
Not quite following what your saying. If you are referring to this video series, the truck came in with a check engine light on. It seems to me some diag was involved to get to this repair.
Geez what happened. Did ford take the water pump off the timing chain and put an idler in place of it? What were they worried about? Was that antifreeze getting into the oil pan and ruining the engine? What rocket scientist came up with that idea?
Sweet didn't know that, I personally haven't work on the v6 ecoboost yet but I have a feeling that wave is about to start hitting lol. Nice videos man 👍
Got Guy at work that bypasses the starter and spins it over until all the links line up, he claims if he doesn't do it he might be a tooth off, help me educate this guy! Haha What should I tell him?
Is that a water pump I see connected to the timing chain? What genius put it there? In the perfect place to leak antifreeze down into the engine oil pan and destroy the engine. Make no sense st all. Destroys the engine if not caught in time. Extremely expensive to replace. Takes less then 30 minutes to replace a water pump attached to the serpentine belt and the engine won’t be destroyed if the bushing wears and leaks like they all do. All I can say is what knot head came up with this design??!!
That is sure the truth. I had ford repair this 2X on my truck when it was tsb15-0131, first at 15K miles, again at 40K and now they are screwing me (they diagnosed it again, no surprise) and it is now tsb16-0027 with even more parts. $3200 to fix it, even though this is their 3rd try. Ford corporate denied it, and the dealer wont cover any. . . What erks me to no end, despite them trying to fix it twice already, it says it is covered under emissions repair at 80K (I am at 79.5) but same thing. Any tips on this one? Otherwise, I am running it until I see chunks of plastic in my oil pan... Great video! Shame I cant do this all at home, though with enough time, I could probably come close.
It is my understanding that the prior TSBs to 16-0027 did not address the problem in its entirety. If you had it fixed twice before I would suspect that the first time they simply replaced the chain (1st TSB), then the second time they replaced the chain again and whichever phasers showed damage (2nd TSB). 16-0027 replaces the chain and all four phasers. I have yet to hear of anyone who successfully had all four phasers and timing chain replaced have the issue come back. There were some individuals who were lucky enough to deal with good dealerships and had more effective TSB work done even with the previous TSBs. You have to be able to appreciate that there are enough trucks on the road that some of them had the 1st TSB for ecoboost rattle and it fixed their problem and it never came back. A million shades of grade. It has a LOT to do with quality of your dealership and your attitude as a consumer. If you go in there making demands and repeatedly stating your dissatisfaction you're likely to not get very good service. At the end of the day though it is upsetting for all of us. I have a '12 that rattles occasionally and it really sucks.
My stepdad has a 2013 ecoboost with 190,000 miles on it and the motor has never been touched. I think using good synthetic oil and changing it every 5000 miles goes a long way.
Same here, I just called Ford dealer and he says no way its timing chain.. that doesn't happen until 200,000 miles, without asking what year or what motor.
@@flmmaz all these ford V-6's have the pump hooked to the chain like the 3.5, 3.7 front wheel drive and like the old chrysler 2.7 V-6 none of these will be cheap to change the water pump. not a good design I think. to change this pump retail would be several hours labor and much more in a front wheel drive.
Negative on that. This is a rear wheel drive unit and the water pump bolts to the outside of the cover. It is very easy to get to and can be replaced in under an hour.
Mike Gonzales He takes the cab off simply to make more money. That way he can charge for the time to r/r the cab, evac/recharge the a/c and such. If he did it for his own convenience then there wouldn't be a charge to remove the cab. Surely, he didn't do it for free. Plus, he is still leaning at a much more awkward position imo. Ford doesn't require the cab to be removed. Pros do the same job all the time without removing it. Quite overdramatic too about "pulling the pin" on the tensioner. Everything is marked from Ford for this very reason. If they line up it's good. I have a feeling this guy is not always honest with his customers or he likes to overcomplicate and dramatize the job.
I was raised up in a Ford household but screw the direction Ford has taken with their power plants. They can keep their forced induction lawnmower engines. I don’t even like Chevy but my 5.3LS pushrod V8 has 250,000 and the valve covers have never been off of it. Ford forced me to buy a Chevy with their ridiculously over complicated engines. Sad really.
Easy there. Is that why GM is going DOHC with the Corvette? Is that why they are also including Aluminum into the bodies of their trucks? Is that why they too are using 4cl turbo engines in their full size trucks now? A pushrod engine has a more complex valve train than an ohc engine, actually.
@@joshuachilders129 A well engineered DOHC is unstoppable. Ok, the 32V Ford DOHCS, I have one in a 95 continental. 200K miles, runs like new. It actually has two timing chains. I used to be on forums and engine work was unheard of. Was used in the Cobra and Mark 8 too. Obviously cost wasn't an issue for that motor. Lexus 3.5L V6 are also bulletproof. Ford stole the dual injector technology from the Lexus Version. This engine is a piece of shit designed by accountants.
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hands down for cleanliness. you sir are a patient professional
reweydewy superb!
Gone are the day's of simply changing out a water pump or timing chain in a few hours by us shade tree mechanics. I have a 2012 F150 with the 3.5 L Ecoboost engine, looks like a nightmare. I'm glad I still own my 1976 F100 that I can tear down and rebuild blindfolded.
I only hope that if I have to go in for dealership service that the mechanics I get are as thorough as you. I get a hard time even asking them to use a torque wrench when mounting wheels let alone internal engine work. Great video, thank you.
After so many bad experiences with my local Ford stealership's I don't trust them at all.
I work on German cars full time I love watching the big truck work post more videos man good stuff!!!!
You are hands down the best mechanic on RUclips. Miss your videos man.
You are a humble man.
Great technician 👨🔧 super professional thanks for sharing
Hi my name is Ian I’m from Newmarket Ontario Canada I would just like to say thank you for taking the time to make your videos I am a plumber by trade but do all my own auto work I have watched a lot of videos about working on various cars trucks over the years beside yourself and Scott Kilmer I would not recommend anyone else please keep up the great work. Thank you Ian
WARNING!:If you are changing the timing chain due to the rattle in cold start you have to change also de main tensioner and the phasers cam and sprocket cause the rattle its originated because somehow the phasers do not keep the hidraulic pressure on the line and thats why the tensioner its not doing its job mantaining the pressure on the main chain,if you just change the chain and the tensioner in about 6 months or less your chain its gonna be stretch again,so with that being said change de tensioners the chains and the 4 phasers and your truck its gonna be running fine for ever with out the rattle noise in cold start
And this is why your a Senior Master Tech
Dam.He is fast with that silicone application on the front cover
when practical using a couple of bolts with heads cut off as guide pins works sweet for putting cases together. take a cutting wheel and put a slit in the end for removing bolt with flat blade. u do great work. someone people can learn from. thanx for the vids.
Yeah I gotta whole bunch of line up dowels I made for this and that. I probably could have used some on this job but it was hard to get the cover by the wiring harness on the oil pan so I just winged it.
Great vid,
Ford built thought...to fix
Do the big number stampings on the sprockets mean anything? I don't mean the part numbers. They have a 1,2,or 3 stamped. I bought Melling sprockets and they are just motorcraft with the part numbers and fomoco ground off. My concern is I got an older design that will fail. Two are stamped 1, one 2, and one 3.
All of your video's are great! I would love to know the total cost of the repairs at the end of your video's.
Does the 2011 5.0l have different timing chain setups? I have a 2011 f150 5.0l and it has two primary chains that run off the exhaust valves... this is clearly a different beast.
Which website is that in the video? The one where you saw the bolt location for the water pump, etc?
Muy bueno señor gracias.
I have recently acquired a 2011 Ford F-150 with the 3.7 ltr, been a Ford guy my whole life....My father passed away and this was his truck, his baby(god rest his soul,my hero)... Any ideas on getting the most longevity out of these engines, any maintenance tips would be greatly appreciated....Thank you, and appreciate the video, very professional work!
How much you charge to do mine? Got the rattle on startup only when cold. 135k miles chain never done. I just honestly don't have the time
What a pro
Hello you is good Thatcher thanks i like you Chanel in Español te quedo bien gracias
Thank-You, enjoy your videos, I knew it was'nt snapon, i was just checking if it wasnt one of those harbor freight ones, everyone says how great some of those are, I've just never bought anything there
I've got several sets best way to go is buy the set with sockets there cheep and good. Of course the cheepist ones they sell aren't very good.
Could faulty VVT solenoids cause codes such as P0017, P0024, P0014, 12, and 19?
U r a great and patient tech. Unbelievably complicated pile. I imagine that u r being hypnotized by what u r listening too. No other person would do that kind of back breaking work. I hope they pay u a lot of money. Chevy or Dodge get good power with one tenth the complication. Think Ford. Spark plug blowout not enough threads. Then spark plug break when removing. Then 4.0 rear cassette. Fun and games. Phasers galore. Then the Diesel issues for many many years. When u pull up to a Ford diesel truck, they always stink terrible from horrible pollution. They can’t put a key way in anything. Could anybody tell me the business model in these few examples? Does Ford want to go out of business? Ever work on a Chevy? Or a Tundra? Or a Dodge? Where is this engineering coming from?
28:13 "additional 45deg" I hate this procedure. Not sure how common it is. But I also torqued everything to spec and tried to go back in to do additional 45 deg but lost track
Is this the same engine that goes in the 2014 Ford Mustang V6 3.7l or is it similar? It looks like the same engine.
Badass video. Do you have any recommendations on a good manual for Ford duratec engines 3.7L? I’m working on my 2010 Mazda CX-9 timing chain and basically the entire engine.
I've got an 2003 Mercury mountaineer with a 4.6 l and I've got a 2006 Mercury mountaineer with a 4.6 l V8 the 2003 has 256,000 and the 2006 has 224,000 I just changed the coils and spark plugs in both engines and they run like new never had a problem Ford still makes the best they're not EcoBoost engines but they still want good
Do you work Flat Rate? What time is allowed by your shop to do this job? Enjoyed the video.
I am flat rate. The labor time on this particular job was 12 hours.
I've been into hundreds of these now myself. Here are my thoughts. There is too much slack in those cam holding tools to be of any use. I don't even bother using them anymore. The timing marks on this engine are not difficult to align, in my opinion. Was this job retail or warranty? I would have sold a set of plugs and COP boots to go along with it at 30:57. Thank you for reminding me of the updated timing chain tensioner. I will now sell one with every set I replace. On 2011/12 trucks, now would be the best time to replace that dreaded vacuum pump too.
M Chan in the house......you found my channel there brother! This was a retail job on a junk yard engine replacement.
Saw your post and thought I'd ask. Do old COP boots cause any issues? I been chasing a rough idle on a 3.7 duratec Lincoln but never had a SEL. I've tore it down to replace the water pump but didn't see any issues at that time
Cheap Car Guy Check to see if yours has an intercooler. If it does there are several videos on how to fix it.
So now they are saying the phasers are supposed to be replaced at the same time the chain is changed?
Muy bien tu trabajo muy limpio ...me podrías desir cuantos eslabones son de marca a marca?
I have a 2012 f150 Lariat that I just finally got paid off, it has 160k miles. I am being told the timing chain is stretched and one of the turbos is bad. They say is will cost $4000 to fix. Is it worth it to dump that much money into an engine with that many miles on it? I know nothing about this stuff...any advice would be greatly appreciated! Help! Thank you!!
Sir do you know what bolts are torque to yield on that engine like for the heads main caps cam crank pulley bolts?
What were the symptoms of the problem? Rattle on start up for about 3 seconds? P0016 camshaft code or both? Also, didnt these engines have issues with the cam phasers making noise at start up that can sound about the same as a loose chain?
Check engine light on with P0016 only other than that the engine was quiet and solid. I'm not sure about phaser noise as a pattern failure, I don't usually work on these things.
Thanks for your time! You do great work man...from one tech to another!
Sometimes on cold a start the engine with making a clunking noise for 3 seconds and go away. its normally the timing chain. and p0016 is a code aswell.
@@worldbestsoldiers timing chain won't fix it, for long. Guys with this noise that said it was permanently fixed had 4 phasers and timing belt replaced. Regained torque, horsepower and engine is silent as new Timing belt will restretch in just 3000 miles..... My 12 is doing this haven't fixed it yet.
Is the chain and tensioner an issue on Fords engines, and if so: why what's their weak points?
How long (mileage) are they intended to last?
Is the tensioner spring operated or hydraulic, or combo?
Stellar work done.
Thank you for sharing!
Hydraulic tensioner, my guess is they had a bad run of metal the chains were made out of (supplier issue).
flmmaz sounds like a quality control issue from ford to not test the timing chains on there test engines from suppilers, this is just ridiculous the way this engine is put together like it belongs in some fighter jet
Sir do u have the torque spec for high pressure line on the high pressure fuel pump? Great video thanks for sharing your skills! I know I appreciate them.
What happened to you sir, start making more videos, for the 6.7 power stroker community. We miss ya sir
I have the same problem, can you provide a list of part numbers used in the repair?
Are you in the Pacific Northwest? I need a good mechanic.
Ford needs a class action law suit on this one neat little nightmare they done
It’s not as bad as the dreaded 3 valve 5.4.
What’s you’re overall opinion of the 5.0 motor? 2011 and up.
something tells me with the shape of the plywood on the frame, you have done this before
lol
Upper guide torque spec?
why didn't you replace the intake and exhaust phasers because that is what cause the chain to stretch in the first place because i went through the same thing and it worked about 3 months but then it did it again and this time it jumped timing so now i am about to pull the engine see what damage is done and rebuild it better than ford ever thought of building it but really its going to do it again in a short time
This procedure was a tsb to repair a check engine light only. Other than the worn chain and outdated tensioner the rest of the engine was fine. This truck is still on the road with no issues.
May I ask, but why do you always remove the cab to do stuff like this? I can understand if its a diesel, but I for one work on Gas Engines and never see a reason to pull a cab to timing chains or motor pulls. Unless its a smaller car or SUV, I just pull the subframe with the engine. But on trucks, I've not seen much issues pulling them from top of the hood or working with the cab on. Is it easy to pull cabs on these trucks? I feel like its more of a hassle than what the job already is,
First and foremost it's a matter of preference. I personally do not like crawling around the engine compartment. That, coupled with the fact that I can have an F-150 cab off and back on in an hour and a half, makes it worth while.
Nice Español skillz
Just wondering whether part removed at 6:32 was replaced with a new one? I do not have that part in the set I bought from ford. I will appreciate your advice. Thanks!
I did replace that piece, which is just an idler in this rear wheel drive application. It is extra and usually not needed, however this one had some play in the bearing and I did not want to chance it.
@@flmmaz, thank you for replying back, have a great day ahead!
Can you provide a parts list please
No need to replace the crank gear? Looked like it had a decent bit of wear on it.
Cam and crank gears survive just fine, the idler gear has a bearing in it that can fail and take out the engine that and the fact that it rides on the outsides of the chain, so it got replaced.
What causes/caused the chain to stretch? Aftermarket tune with advanced timing?
The chain was made out of crappy material.
flmmaz But what happened to Ford Tough? Was it replaced with another new Ford OEM shitty chain? Have you ever seen a Gas Ford with over 500,000 miles on original engine and Trans?
23:15 why is the cover not cleaned?
What does something like this cost??
Can I ask, is that your shop or is it part of a larger business.
This is a Ford dealer. Very small outfit.
Chevy, Ford and Ram Dealers are NOT trouble shooters, Just Remove and replace, they just dont know how
Not quite following what your saying. If you are referring to this video series, the truck came in with a check engine light on. It seems to me some diag was involved to get to this repair.
Geez what happened. Did ford take the water pump off the timing chain and put an idler in place of it? What were they worried about? Was that antifreeze getting into the oil pan and ruining the engine? What rocket scientist came up with that idea?
what brand is your big 1/2 flexhead ratchet?
MAC tools
Have you done any 6.2's yet? How are they?? I need to do mine
They don't need this. They break valve springs.
Great Professionals.Better a crate engine?
This was a junk yard engine that had just been installed. The truck had an aftermarket warranty and they are all about the bottom line!
@@flmmaz I love trucks but i wouldn`t have been able to reassemble this car in 25 years...;-)))
Did this vehicle have over 100,000 miles? Do you remember?
This was a replacement engine and had around 40k on it. The truck itself had 86k on it.
Chains don’t stretch. Chains wear.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. LOL
flmmaz thanks for the video
Ford probably made them too cheap or maybe it’s the oil pump that plagued the 5.4 engines.
Is the new chain a revised design?
Yes, there is a kit that comes with new chain and redesigned tensioner and bolts.
why did you take the cab off ?
They come off pretty quickly, less than 2 hours total time on and off, and it gives me a lot of room to work on the engine.
Sweet didn't know that, I personally haven't work on the v6 ecoboost yet but I have a feeling that wave is about to start hitting lol. Nice videos man 👍
Whatta nightmare to repair....F(ail)-150
Got Guy at work that bypasses the starter and spins it over until all the links line up, he claims if he doesn't do it he might be a tooth off, help me educate this guy! Haha What should I tell him?
Is that a water pump I see connected to the timing chain? What genius put it there? In the perfect place to leak antifreeze down into the engine oil pan and destroy the engine. Make no sense st all. Destroys the engine if not caught in time. Extremely expensive to replace. Takes less then 30 minutes to replace a water pump attached to the serpentine belt and the engine won’t be destroyed if the bushing wears and leaks like they all do. All I can say is what knot head came up with this design??!!
Pulling the cab seems like alot. I've seen ford techs have no issues doing it in the car cab
It’s strictly a matter of preference.
Pulling the cab is really mostly on the dreaded 6.4 PowerStroke. That’s a real piece of shit.
Is this an Ecoboost engine?
Yes 3.5L
Mixing it up with Spanglish lol
How did the chain get stretch??
Crap material that it's made out of.
That is sure the truth.
I had ford repair this 2X on my truck when it was tsb15-0131, first at 15K miles, again at 40K and now they are screwing me (they diagnosed it again, no surprise) and it is now tsb16-0027 with even more parts. $3200 to fix it, even though this is their 3rd try. Ford corporate denied it, and the dealer wont cover any. . .
What erks me to no end, despite them trying to fix it twice already, it says it is covered under emissions repair at 80K (I am at 79.5) but same thing.
Any tips on this one? Otherwise, I am running it until I see chunks of plastic in my oil pan...
Great video! Shame I cant do this all at home, though with enough time, I could probably come close.
It is my understanding that the prior TSBs to 16-0027 did not address the problem in its entirety. If you had it fixed twice before I would suspect that the first time they simply replaced the chain (1st TSB), then the second time they replaced the chain again and whichever phasers showed damage (2nd TSB). 16-0027 replaces the chain and all four phasers. I have yet to hear of anyone who successfully had all four phasers and timing chain replaced have the issue come back. There were some individuals who were lucky enough to deal with good dealerships and had more effective TSB work done even with the previous TSBs. You have to be able to appreciate that there are enough trucks on the road that some of them had the 1st TSB for ecoboost rattle and it fixed their problem and it never came back. A million shades of grade. It has a LOT to do with quality of your dealership and your attitude as a consumer. If you go in there making demands and repeatedly stating your dissatisfaction you're likely to not get very good service. At the end of the day though it is upsetting for all of us. I have a '12 that rattles occasionally and it really sucks.
My stepdad has a 2013 ecoboost with 190,000 miles on it and the motor has never been touched. I think using good synthetic oil and changing it every 5000 miles goes a long way.
This is a painful thing to wtach knowing my truck started making noise
Same here, I just called Ford dealer and he says no way its timing chain.. that doesn't happen until 200,000 miles, without asking what year or what motor.
So? Just fix it. What's the pain? You've got the whole process right here
LOL.. this is a big job.. I don't even have place I can work on mine.
The Timing chain stretch is a common problem ... guys have had this happen within warranty time! So your dealer is full of shit.
Ford misery,8ft of timing problems and cam phasers to go bad!!
why ford do not have it use 2 string instead of a pronounced curvesi like that.....
Not quite following what your saying.
2 grand for a friggen water pump?
The water pump on these are cheap, it bolts externally to the cover.
@@flmmaz all these ford V-6's have the pump hooked to the chain like the 3.5, 3.7 front wheel drive and like the old chrysler 2.7 V-6 none of these will be cheap to change the water pump. not a good design I think. to change this pump retail would be several hours labor and much more in a front wheel drive.
Negative on that. This is a rear wheel drive unit and the water pump bolts to the outside of the cover. It is very easy to get to and can be replaced in under an hour.
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Sadly this is why Im not buying a Transit van.
May I ask why take the cab off an f150? I've done tons of phasers,all cab on.
Personal preference. I would rather stand in front of the engine for 8 hours instead of leaning over the radiator support.
flmmaz gotcha easy on your back. you definitely a clean worker.i also work for ford but a large dealer
Where ya work at?
I agree, the radiator assembly comes out in 30 mins. That’s where he is working. Can’t make money wasting time
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He takes the cab off simply to make more money. That way he can charge for the time to r/r the cab, evac/recharge the a/c and such. If he did it for his own convenience then there wouldn't be a charge to remove the cab. Surely, he didn't do it for free. Plus, he is still leaning at a much more awkward position imo. Ford doesn't require the cab to be removed. Pros do the same job all the time without removing it. Quite overdramatic too about "pulling the pin" on the tensioner. Everything is marked from Ford for this very reason. If they line up it's good. I have a feeling this guy is not always honest with his customers or he likes to overcomplicate and dramatize the job.
ford should have kept the 4.6 and 5.4 SOC and just improve them not this crap. how can greasemonkeys make money on this kind of warranty work?
I was raised up in a Ford household but screw the direction Ford has taken with their power plants. They can keep their forced induction lawnmower engines. I don’t even like Chevy but my 5.3LS pushrod V8 has 250,000 and the valve covers have never been off of it. Ford forced me to buy a Chevy with their ridiculously over complicated engines. Sad really.
Easy there. Is that why GM is going DOHC with the Corvette? Is that why they are also including Aluminum into the bodies of their trucks? Is that why they too are using 4cl turbo engines in their full size trucks now? A pushrod engine has a more complex valve train than an ohc engine, actually.
Joshua Childers this guy is fucking ignorant.
@@joshuachilders129 A well engineered DOHC is unstoppable. Ok, the 32V Ford DOHCS, I have one in a 95 continental. 200K miles, runs like new. It actually has two timing chains. I used to be on forums and engine work was unheard of. Was used in the Cobra and Mark 8 too.
Obviously cost wasn't an issue for that motor. Lexus 3.5L V6 are also bulletproof. Ford stole the dual injector technology from the Lexus Version.
This engine is a piece of shit designed by accountants.
water pump like the old cryslers haha so stupid is it metal at least?
Nope, the impeller is plastic. :(
ford wow what a pile of shit 16 spark plugs go figure they need to eat every one of them motors
I got the first view haha yes
lol. Sunday evening is the best time to post a vid. I know I am on here doing some catching up. :D
Ford sucks