7.62X54R VS .308 Win - Cinder Block Test - Mosin VS CMMG Endeavor
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Looks like the 54 was shot at a bit more of an angle.A square shot would have tied up the results.Just my 2 cents though.
Yeah? Well your two cents are WRONG! JK, I have no idea, but either one would get the job done. Both awesome rifles and rounds to say the least.
i'd like to see it where the mosin is equally centered as well =)
I call it a DRAW! Not all blocks are created equal. Without doing the test several times you can't come to a positive conclusion. A second, third or fouth test likely will have different results. Winner would be the one that did the most damage repeatedly.
I agree should shoot at least three blocks each with guns on a bench set so trajectory is the same on the target.
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Need to redo and have that mosin shot more center. The projectile skewed to the right and could have done more damage
I have both rifles and my 54 took down a tree and i finished it off with a 5) beowulf
Should pass through crono as well...
You disrespect joe no respect for your opinion
@@saltwaterangling472 he's just stating facts, no opinion here, he was about 1.5" off centre...
You sound like Hank Hill. “Bobby, that boy ain’t right!” I appreciate your video.
Dangit bobby
Entertaining test. I remember 7.62 M-60 one of my favorite weapons. Anyway thanks for all of your videos and fun.
Gun go ppprrrrrttttttttt!!! My fave thing to carry on ship
that 24" 308 CMMG is a great fire arm. the longer barrel definately get the most out of the round.
I sure you are gonna have a wonderful time hunting with it.
maybe in one of your future vids you can demo its long distance accuracy.
Cinder block test are the best comparison videos. Put the blocks sideways, like they are in structures, and then put a block of balistic gel on the other side, to see how much deflection each round has afterwards. Yes, it's way more work for you, but I think it would look neat. Thanks.
I was hoping you'd do the block test with these two! My money's on the 54r!
Thanks for the video!
In this test the .308 definitely was the winner. I have a Ruger SR762 and a Sako in .308. The Sako can drive nails from long distances and the Ruger is a lot of semi-auto fun. I've said this to you a million times..... It's smart to go with US military rounds because of their availability and abundance. I have plenty of different guns but my go to guns are chambered in 223/5.56 and 308/7.62x51. It keeps down the cost of the ammo and those rounds are always available (except during covid-19). That .308 looks real nice, which rifle are you going to use for your long distance shooting? I've seen your long distance shooting videos but I'm not sure if have chosen one specific rifle yet Great video brother. God bless.
Thanks for watching!
It's ok we call them cinder blocks down here in the south. Good video really don't know a whole lot about the 7.62 by 54. I've recently purchased an AR-10 chambered in 7.62 by 51 or 308 and still learning about it. I'm really an old-school kind of guy this still wants to go back to his bolt action rifle however I do like the AR-10 or you can just let him fly. Keep up the good work man and God bless you and your family.
Video paused before the test: my prediction is very similar results, considering these two are near ballistic twins. Any variation should come down to bullet design.
I always love the concrete block tests.
I agree that 308 did go a little further, but I was right I thought they would both go through 2 , great video
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I think the results may have been a bit different with a clean shot of the mosin but as others stated, it would take multiple shots to find consistent results to compare but I’d be curious to see how they compare at range. Good video nevertheless.
Nice video, but I would have used a TulAmmo 308 in addition to this side by side comparison. The TulAmmo rounds are usually underpowered in my opinion. I enjoy shooting both calibers as well.
AnimalLechter I agree! Both rounds should preferably be from the same manufacturer so that the loads should be similar. Tula is typically underpowered compared to Winchester or S&B. Also, the Tula power from round to round is not as consistent, so more blocks are required for an accurate test.
I disagree, in a caliber comparison, we should be comparing what is the typical loading for each rifle, and in this case, it's either surplus or newer Russian steel for 54r, and I would use m80 ball for 308(or 150gr fmj if it's commercial 308win)
Always fun to watch!! Thanks
Love your video's and all the testing and comparing calibers you do. Your channel has become one of my favorites..... Oh, and that cmmg AR 308 is sick. Love it.
Appreciate you watching
The blocks could be either cinder blocks or concrete blocks. it depends on who manufacturered it. Some block manufacturers use a combination bottom ash and fly ash both sourced from coil burning power plants ( coil ash is cinder according to Webster's) along with stone screenings and type 2 cement to make cinder block's. Cement block's are typically type 2 cement, stone and a product called stay light to reduce weight.
Both pack a punch! I’ve been watching people with those old Mosins think I may try to find one at least it will be a conversation piece! Love the CMMG but really like that Bazooka green that you have on your 450 socom
Green is awesome too. Was going a little more low key on this one
Stopped video to say I saw a 7.62 x 54 R bounce off a brick wall
It would be interesting to see this comparison made with Silver Bear bi-metal jacket, 174 grain 54R, vs the heaviest .308 round you can find. I suspect the 54R is probably more efficient with a heavier bullet. That being said, I really like the .308 and that CMMG of yours is gorgeous.
Enjoyed the concrete block test, I mean cinder block.. So confusing but good video... My bet was on the .308. Hunting last fall with an AR setup similar to yours. Keep them coming...
Looked to me like the 54r dumped more energy in the first 2. It's like a 5.56 vs 7.69 test. The 7.62 is a bigger fist and the 5.56 is a better high speed slicer. Same here.
Love the 308 Winchester round. It's got more juice than most think.
Now fill that mag, slap it in that purdy rifle and mag dump one those cinder blocks!💥😎 Yeeeehaw!!!!
Nice video my friend!
Keep'em coming!
I'd like to see a comparison between the 7.62x51 and the 7.62x39 seeing as they went head to head in Vietnam and many other conflicts. Great video Who Tee Who!
Good idea
I shot a dead tree that was 2 feet in diameter (not circumference) with my 54r from about 50 yards, the bullet tumbled through tree and was sticking out of the back of the tree backwards. Use the surplus ammo and the Mosin is unstoppable.
Hey Adam next time for effect stick a milk jug in center of the cinder block love the videos keep it up 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Dan White it will affect the penetration
@@reaganriddle1583 yeah but it will look good
I think you need a redo on the Mosin
Heck that's a great idea. Could've used some real mosin ammo like the yellow tip heavy ball in that longer barrel.
If I did "real" mosin ammo then people would complain it wasn't fair 🤣🤣🤣
@@WHOTEEWHO Same ammo just a more square shot in the middle
Dude that 308 is one bad ass rifle! Beautiful setup!
You ever see the 82 caliber air rifle here on RUclips or the 58 caliber air rifle or the 12 gauge air rifle highly encourage you to look it up on RUclips it's amazing that a lot of videos I've seen here on RUclips shooting cinder blocks what different calibers very few of them do the damage that I seen of the 58 caliber air rifle the name of the video is 58 caliber air gun versus cinder block if you're interested in looking it up
Great video love that CMMG, both great guns.
Both are awesome rifles,good test!!
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Nice! Considering the "Age" gap in cartridge design and powders....
They are close enough to be equal!
On another note... Liked the .22 shoot out.... I've had a M&P .22 c for a few years and like Paul I just have been a Glock fan... but the G44 that you two have been plinking around with looks like a nice unit... i'm going to rent one at the range
I am blessed to have a Maurer 8mm. It was my Grandfather's. I have been checking to see if it was a ww2 conversion, but I think it was manufactured a few years after ww2. My dad built the new stock for it and used a military rifle conversion book from the 1960s to complete the stock. I teamed it was a real ww2 k98 Maurer, but I am not that lucky! I shot my first deer with it near Helps Canyon, Oregon.
Good video. Clean and to the point. Agree with others and I would like to see a few blocks per caliber. Keep em coming.
Thanks for watching Steve
I would like to see you shoot the block from the side as it would be used in construction.
I do agree I think you would have to shoot multiple rounds to see consistency but I don't think there would be much difference.
I have a mosin and it’s a ton of fun to shoot! Love those things. I don’t have a 308.....yet... another good video sir!
Thanks for watching Bryan!
Your mosin shot wasnt a squared shot.. ALWAYS have extra blocks..you had extra rounds!
PS the Mosin cost 10% of your CMMG.. Of course you want the CMMG to win
Nah mosins are actually pretty expensive now
Looks like cinder blocks to me. There IS a difference between a concrete block and a cinder block. Concrete blocks are heavier bc they’re much more dense. Tell your viewers to do a quick search before they jump on your case lol 👍🏻
I love the Mosin! I'm gonna get mine out again soon, as It's been a hot minute since I have shot mine.
Same w me. Need to get it out
@@WHOTEEWHO I have a nice M44 Ishvesk, and a 1935 (between war) laminated stock 91/30 hex receiver from ishvesk. Both are in great shape
your voice can even send an angry lion in deep sleep within a minute....😁
Thats uh... Quite the comment there buddy... Are you sure you want to say that?
Saurabh Kashyap: I'm thinking more like calm down the lion and have it rolling over for a belly rub and a pad on the head . . .
7.62x54 rimmed vs 7.62x63 or 3006. Russia used a 148 grain and America used 150 grain both 2700 fps. 54r had a bore of .311 and the 06 had .308 bore so they're almost the same the only big difference is the cartridge
Love your videos. Wish I had subscribed many, many, many videos ago.
You can get Winchester white box for the 54R round, you just have to look around online for them. I stumbled across some in a local hardware store a few years back.
Awesome
Had both and switched to a 35 whelen. try one you will understand why.
Yeah well it's a decent short range cartridge.
But it's kinda like the 6.5Creedmoor vs 308Win.
With the difference that the .35Whelen actually uses up more ressources and still falls behind the 308Win at distance
Tha Mosin made me proud, That 308 is just downright Beautiful.
Keep it up man. Big fan. Keep on representing for us good old southern boys
That's a good looking AR!
I love it! Thanks for watching David!
I have both rifles but my favorite is my DPMS SASS in .308.
TulAmmo has a bimetal projectile with iron which is harder than the copper lead in Win white box. I'd say with the same projectile, 308 goes through that 3rd wall.
We would love to see what both of these rounds do to a block at 100 and 200 yards. Thanks for all the fun videos.
I run .308 in Browning BLR. The best combo of weight, throw, power and accuracy I have in my arsenal.
Ooh very nice
I got an M44, and i want to get more
Love the bayonet on those
308 has a higher velocity made for newer rifles. The 7.62x54r i had one before selling it to my brother was a m44 .
7.62x54r was the Russian 30,06. The 7.62x39 is their 3030 or 308 depending how u look at it.
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Who tee who you are right them are cender blocks they do make Concrete blocks but they are a lot heavier.
another fun video to watch! obviously not a scientific comparison and not intended to be. there is no 'fair' when comparing different calibers unless you use the best round in both. but then you have to figure out best for what. ignore those who cry foul. personally i like to use a 208gr or heavier for the mosin to break stuff. but its all great fun regardless
I have a mosen heavy modified with scope and shorter barrel very powerful and dead accurate
308 vs mosin is apples to apples, this all comes down to projectiles used, it is totally possible to use the exact same projectiles in both rifles, only issue is sizing them down a couple thousandths to work in the 308 and then test. I bet results would even be more similar
I have a couple Mosins... I like my M44 best... And I have .308 covered with my Century C308.
Something to keep in mind on this test: the 7.62x54R round had a material advantage, with the mild steel jacket being more durable than the copper jacket of the 7.62x51. the tiny difference possibly made by poor shot placement should have been more than offset by the steel jacket, way I see it. The 7.62x51 just did better. And, as I recall, the 7.62x51 has somewhat higher velocity.
If you don't agree with my assessment, that's too bad. 😉
Awsome, I have a ptr91 and a buddy has a mosin, he thinks he has a little more power, I say technology has advanced certain rounds for many reasons.
Awesome guns and great video!
Damn beautiful rifle sir and also nice cinderblocks
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The cinder blocks are ok.. but they are not built equal and some are more brital then others..
Should do the same test but use 2x8" blocks of wood.. with multiple stacks..
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Awesome video!
.308 is my favorite. I have a Windham AR10 with the Elfman straight trigger set at 2.5 pounds. I love it.
Ooh very nice. I need a lighter trigger in mine. I will look at those
@@WHOTEEWHO Elfman adjusts from 2.5 to 4.5 pounds. I love the straight trigger. The first time I tried it.
Use the 180g fmj stell core for the mosen and it will turn the block to dust.
I thought the Mosin would do more damage to the third wall....I am happy to be wrong on this one 😉 Great camera work as well bud.
I thought so too
Hello bro, thanx for testing a russian caliber, there are many interesting ones from the ballistic point of view, as to compare them with european and american calibers, for example the. 50BMG vs the 12.7x108mm soviet, hopefully one Day a video on those two or the 14.5x114mm
Another great video on a beautiful day here in Middle Tennessee, Brother! Hope to get in and see you and Paul real soon. I have a couple popular pistols I hadn't seen on the channel I'd be more than willing to let y'all shoot if you're interested. We'll talk.
Thanks for watching J Random!
It would be interesting if you had a 308 with a 24-inch Barrel bolt action to see if there's any power loss with a semi-auto
I knew it would be really close, but I kinda thought the 7.62x51 would have just a little more power because I think it's loaded to a slightly higher PSI than the 7.62x54R. I'd almost bet that your 24 inch barrel will penetrate more, using the same ammo, than my 16 inch barrel will. Pretty sure yours is more accurate too.
Thanks for the video. You could try some plywood on the sides to try and keep the round where you may be able to find it. Just an idea. And I have a .308. I like that one.
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I think that the 7.62x54r have a little bit more potential if your action is strong enough because of his case capacity which is 4.16 cm³ vs 3.6 cm³ for the .308 winchester. Both are amazing cartridges.
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What is the set up of your CMMG? And the price, if you don’t mind. Going shopping this week end. Thanks WTW.
Yo Whotie!!!! It's not a fair comparison with the AR style 308, even though 308 is my favorite rifle caliber, but I guarantee a through an through shot with a bolt action 308 rifle..
No way
Those two rifle next to each other, that was like Sidney Reilly next to Jason Bourne. I'm old school, so I cheered for the mosin. I mean, that space age rifle sure gets the job done, but I just find good ol' bolt rifles manlier. And since I'm cheering for the mosin, I'm gonna come up with some tall tale as to why the space age rifle _appeared_ {cough cough} to fare better.
Let me see what I can come up with (and no, I'm not gonna go on about the less well placed shot and why the bullet had to punch through at an angle). Hmmmn. Ahh, yes: since that space age rifle is your new pet, you went off camera and rigged the odds. You weighed both block on a fancy-pants space age apparatus and chose the densest and heaviest concrete block for the mosin to take swing at, and saved the lighter and flimsier one for your shiny new stormtrooper-rifle. That's how that lego rifle just inched it's way past the good ol' mosin!
And don't no one come up with some bologna about me being paranoid! Wearing a tin foil hat and spreading salt in protective patterns under the rug does not make me paranoid or bonkers! My teddybear told that! {cough cough cough}
I have always called them a cinder block. Great video, I love it!
Me too!
I'd like to see cmmg make a AR platform in the 54r
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A long single stacked mag may negate the rim lock issue in a semi operation. Preferably piston operation over impingement system with adjustable valves to contain all the expelling gas.
There might be some custom builds out there, but from factory would be nice. Shouldn't be to hard either, technically a longer ar ten.
I agree!! Love that old rifle though!
I think it deserves a reshoot. Just because the mosin was a bit off angle.
It may not really make a difference, but let's see anyway.
Don't forget to subscribe I'm a fan of 308 and that's what I would get but there's a chance that the Nato round since it was all sensor and took off that material is it possible that the weight of that material had an effect on the third wall damage. Then again maybe not. Either way I still vote 308.
I'll pick the 54R simply because you can shoot it with the iron sights and don't need a scope.
You can crush an enemies skull with the Moisen butt stock try that with that polymer stock ...lets see that test
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Both rifles are sweet ❤️❤️👍
I don't believe cinder blocks have been made for a long time now, however cement blocks are quite common, and it seems yours are cement. Just saying.
I do however enjoy your videos very much. Thanks for the time and effort spent doing them...
Thanks for watching Alan!!!
That Mosin is a sweet looking rifle - built to do a job. Right, concrete blocks, the Mosin I predict will go through all three ribs. The 308 the same but shatters the block. Is my guess right! ramble on! 2:11 -Oh well, got it completely wrong!
Wow been watching but this got the sub ,thanks keep this up . good content👍
Thanks for watching
I think both will go through the cinder blocks!
What year of manufacture is your Mosin? I see it has the laminated wood stock. There are harder to find for us collectors, and usually bring a higher price. I have 2 rifles with that style of stock.
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@@WHOTEEWHO It should say on the top of the receiver, probably a 1938-1944
Love to see 7.62 x 51 vs 308. Before you say they are the same they are not. Super similar but the 308 is a little higher pressure. Might be enough to push thru the third wall!
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And then you can use the same rifle and exact same weight projectile.
If you would have hit the center with the Mosin, it would have been a different story. You hit the block at an angle and likely the bullet just grazed or completely missed the back wall of the block
So close. Got the closest weight bulletS, but then you fire one from a bolt action and the other from a semi-auto. 54r with the longer barrel and all the gasses moving the projectile, where as the ar10 looses fps because of the gas system and shorter barrel. Try with 2 bolt actions next.
But the 308 still won...
I love both rds but the 54r silver tip russian round hits hard. I wish you could still find the 54r vepr these days for a reasonable price but Obama put a halt on the Russian imports.
gunlover067 the Russian import stuff used to be so CHEAP u could get a crate of Mosins for not that much money. Thanks Obama. 😂
That Mosin is an awesome looking rifle!! I love that 308 also!!
I was wrong too. I thought they would both just barely break the 3rd wall, and I thought the Mosin would have slightly more power, although I was rooting for the .308.
The mosin is usually loaded hotter than 308. Especially the milsurp stuff with steel cores or s&b hunting rounds. U kind of had the absolute cheapest 7.62x54 made. Still a cool video. I think a really cool video idea would be to test the recoil of those 2 guns bc they are pretty close in power. I bet the cmmg is way softer shooting!!
If the barrel was a little firmer in its mounting base it would have gone thru the third wall.
7×62/54 needs to be in the center too with the shot I think the brick was kinda side ways when you shot it, then the 308 brick shot was right on the face of the rifle .. I would say DRAW or a RE-DO