Taylor 814ce Brazilian Rosewood vs 814ce East Indian Rosewood Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2016
- Chris McKee compares Taylor's 814ce Brazilian Rosewood and the 814ce East Indian Rosewood acoustic guitars.
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I do generally enjoy your videos but not this one. NEVER ONCE do you play the exact part on each guitar.... You have decent recording quality and I like the parts being played for demo but the entire POINT of an A-B test is to play the exact same part one guitar A then on guitar B, by missing this mark the entire demo is very hard to draw any meaning from. There an open chord 1:1 comparison to be had in there from time to time I guess.... It's all good though, Acoustic Letter did a similar comparison just with a higher quality microphone ($3000 Nueman if memory servers) and he's a bit better of a player wise enough to play the same parts for a proper A-B test too... Still, there is value in having another one of these test videos out there so thank you for taking the time to make it.
Couldn't agree more. The only real way to compare tone is to play one short phrase on both guitars one after the other -- the ear can't retain tone very long, and playing two different phrases makes no sense.
It drives me nuts when you guys do these comparisons but don't play exactly the same thing on each guitar. Different parts of a song sound different. You might just as well compare apples to oranges.
I totally agree! I want hear note for note!
The indian rosewood was richer in bass, while the brazillian rosewood was crispier in treble. I didn't recognize he played different song, I thought they were the same song because it's quite differentiable.
@@ndbing_ He was playing the same song but different parts of the song. He should play EXACTLY the same part of the song so a comparison can be made to the exact same tune. Different parts of a song can bring out totally different aspects of a guitar.
EXACTLY!!
@@ndbing_ He was not playing the same PARTS of the songs!!
I like how your videos always take the time to explain the guitar or the equipment being featured.
Both awesome. East Indian actually projects a bit more to me, but unless I heard them in person the differences aren’t enough to discourage me from wanting both!
In every comparison video I have viewed I'm 100% with the East Indian rosewood that stuff is phenomenal.
To many Guitar players out there are to busy focusing on copying their idols and limiting themselves to a specific taste rather than being original ie developing their own style into the bargain.
There is only one Dave Gilmour, one Joe Satriani, one Eric Clapton, one Jimi Hendrix, one Jimmy Page, one Frank Zappa, one Toni iommi, etc and there is only one YOU.
With East Indian rosewood you can musically surf in and out of various styles and rhythms in an instant and it is rewards you.
The Brazilian rosewood is one dimensional and unexciting.
The Indian Rosewood gives superior resonance, superior range, it is louder and it inspires you to get stuck in and start surfing ie mixing a styles together because most of us are not going to be famous stars we are just sitting in a room or with a group of friends chilling out and having a strum that's the reality of it therefore explor, experiment sid barret was hugely talented unique and a great example of what I am on about here... The way to be great is to develop you and your unique music that comes from within you let that out because its not really an achievement copying what some big name star played a million times but it's an achievement when you master playing your own stuff that is exactly the path that brought every guitar great to fame and if you are capable of that you to might just end up a famous star to who knows... Don't get bogged down covering everyone else's music or rules create your own, you need the right tone woods, maple is another exciting tone wood.
Gibson j200 best ever strum happy surfing guitar on the planet but my 1993 yamaha LD10e Indian rosewood brought me to where I am today, I might not be a famous star but as soon as I get playing that thing I feel every bit as good as one because I love its playability and its involving dynamics and vibration it taught me that music is inside of us or it is nowhere in other words stop following what is out there and start blazing your own trail that's were the magic is and life is to short to rob yourself👌
I have 3 Brazilian rosewood trees in pots in my yard. I bought the seeds on eBay 3 years ago. I live in Naples Florida. I had 2 more that I planted but hurricane Irma killed those 2. I'm thinking of donating the 3 I have to the Naples botanical garden
wtf????
IM CALLING THE POLICE
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Lololol any update on these?
That's so crazy! Huge difference!
i might have to get the 814 too
In "76 I bought a genuine Bozo 12 string (custom built by him for someone that backed out at the last minute) from Bozo at his shop in Escondido, California. At that time you had to wait two years to get one of his guitars. Anyway I bought the guitar ($1800) and it was far and away the best sounding 12 string I ever heard. Way beyond what I could actually put to good use. Anyway on his most expensive custom guitars some were done with Brazilian rosewood. I asked him if he thought the Brazilian sounded better. He said he didn't think so but it was prettier and his well off customers asked for Brazilian and he gave it to them.
Are used to live in Escondido back then and used to visit his shop sometimes it was so cool
It's up to you...
My complements for this video as it is the first comparison of these two woods that i can actually hear and i do prefer the overtones and sweetness of the Brazilian. Your description of tone difference was 'bang on'. If you can afford it, get the Brazilian......
0.35mm thickness polyester top finish. Am I right?
Can you do a comparison on Martin D28 east Indian Rosewood and Brazilian Rosewood?
Was the recording done with just the mic, expression system or both ?
The East-Indian guitar sounds a bit muddy (boomy) in the bottom end where the Brazilian rosewood is more defined and articulate..
Almost like that's what he primed you to hear...
For me, this time, east indian. There's good and bad wood. A Brazilian one is not a guarantee of good tone.
Does anybody know a good guitar for camping? ocean air or bad weather can affect the guitar .
Romeo AFS Rainsong Guitars made of carbon will do
Listen to the video with good speakers or headphones to appreciate the differences,
Brazilian Rosewood is best for playing music where guitar is the main or the only instrument because it has a deeper low end and has slighly finer treble, it feels fuller because you have a fatter sound which is awesome but lacks of the rich and compact midrange frequencies Indian rosewood has. Brazilian R. sounds very boomy when amplified and it feedbacks easier than Indian, anyway the sound in a band should be a full midrange guitar sound so brazilian has to be equalized to make it sound more like the indian (more mids) while still be lacking of mids presence indian has, specialy for solo parts and arpeggios. Conclusion, INDIAN ROSEWOOD is more versatile.
10:16 Brazilian doesn´t hit the spot on blues, Indian sounds closer to mohogany Robert Johnson's guitar.
I’m using some really good head phones and I’ve noticed that the Brazilian rosewood has much less string noise and visa versa; which is good and bad.
Exactly! Blues or Jazz doesn't really need too long sustains which will create too much sonical feedback noises and might destroy a good piece. An arched-top jazz on traditional maple or most electric will be way much better with easier-bending strings.
I can't really notice much, if any, difference between the two. The way both guitars were played wasn't always the same which can also make it harder to notice the difference. The real way to hear the differences between them would be to hear them in person instead of via the Internet where the processing of the video and audio for uploading to RUclips and playing on the end users machine could affect what is heard. in the end, it doesn't really matter to me. This guitar is waaay out of my price range and I doubt there would be any that are in my price range where this would be an issue.
The Brazilian has a warmer sound as compared to the East Indian Rosewood sound, which is a bit brighter. It's pretty clear, easy to hear the difference. Both sound beautiful, and is a matter of preference. All Rosewoods are regulated, so they are more expensive, and all have their qualities. I have two Rosewood guitars and will never sell them.
And what's the difference between Brazilian Rosewood and Jacaranda? Somebody know?
I want to hear a demo where someone does a comparison like this and when they start playing they switch the titles.
So, for example, you start playing the East Indian guitar but you title it as if you're playing the Brazilian one and vice versa and then observe the comments and see which people say they like better.
Afterwards you could then do another video telling people that's what you did and see what they say then.
J.P Cormier has done similar but with different brands. For instance, he did a Recording King vs Martin D41 blindfold test by not telling us which one he was playing. Was VERY interesting because most people actually said they liked the RK sound more than the D41.
I read that the top of the guitar, i.e. the spruce top, contributes to 95% of the sound, so back and sides only 5%. I also read back and sides contribute 10%... so between 5 and 10. Have you heard of that? For my amateur it was harder to distinguish the difference because you played a different tune for every example when I feel you should have played the same tune.
Do we need a passport for the indian rosewood if we travel to another country with it ?
Tai Le currently no but there made be some new regulations coming soon.
Why the heck do you not play the SAME musical parts on both guitars? How can one make direct comparisons when different chords are played in each segment?
The Brazilian rosewood sounds more focused and slightly warmer to me
They both sound great... The Brazilian has a bit more even sustained tone in my opinion. I have a 1954 Martin d28 Ive played for over 10 years traveling and playing many shows with and ive owned a few different martin hd28s and blue ridge guitars made of East Indian I used when I had to fly across country.. but I could always hear the difference in the two woods. I like Brazilian better. Those two guitars sound great but I wouldn't own either just because I don't like concert guitars with cut outs. I'm dreadnought man.. nothing against those guitars. They really sound wonderful and I respect Taylor for the time hard work they put into hand making fine qaulity guitars like that.
The only fair comparison is play them string for string
hey man. i want to ask a question about taylor 612ce and martin om28. what do you prefer for finger style guitar? and Can you ship it to Viet Nam? TKs man
3.5mm？or 0.35mm
i wouldnt say Brazilian sounded better here.. really feels like my mind wants to pick braz rosewood.. but i gotta be fair
You failed to mention the biggest change to the bracing, they now make it from spruce, its what projects sound out of the body in the new design. Also you don't plug in to the ES system, a lot of people want to mic there Taylor's, the ES system produces amazing sound without all the pitfalls & variable's mic's have. Mic's glued to the soundboard & a neck pickup allow you to hear the heart of the guitar.
Hey Seth, thanks for watching. the bracing has always been made of spruce. Some models utilize Adirondack spruce but standard models utilize Sitka spruce bracing as they always have. We have done many videos with the ES and acoustic tone and have an ES1 vs ES2 video you should check out. ;) - Chris McKee
I respectively disagree, Taylor has a video they give to first run buyers where they discuss changing the bracing to spruce, your misinformed. The guitars come with amazing electronic, I own both ES 1 & an ES 2's, don't need to view a video to check it out, but thanks anyway.
I have both EIR and BRW D28s from the company in Nazareth, and though the sound of my EIR is deeper, there’s a point where hitting it harder the sound breaks up. In contrast, the BRW has no limits- the harder you hit it, the more sound comes out but always clear. The dynamic range is unreal, from soft finger picking to hard bluegrass. The treble on the BRW is amazing - it will cut through a banjo or mandolin in a jam!
Im not a martin fan but to me these sound almost muted compared to their martin counterparts.
To my ear; the Brazilian sounds warmer (especially more prevalent when you use a pick) in every genre of style you demo. The EI to my ear sounds "sharper/harsher and tinny" but only slightly. The only downside I see with the Brazilian in this demo, is what a previous commentator posted, for the blues it's sound appears not powerful enough. Now that could be down to just your style, to me you don't "punish"the strings enough when playing da blues :-) : which may influence the tone? But then that's each to there own. My ear likes the Brazilian but then again I wouldn't kick either of this guitars out of my bed!
Gotta love all these comments literally using the same language he primed us with to describe the tones. He didn't play the same thing on either, so any statement on tone here is complete conjecture. I couldn't hear any difference, and the small difference he might hear has had to go through at least one mic, and interface, some processing software, compression algorithms, and your computer audio driver + speakers/ headphones to get to you.
I’m surprised they sound so different. The BR is more subdued and richer sounding, FWIW.
Brazilian has win.
how would you know
"Users of the RUclips Machine"
old video but when you have an endangered species of Brazilian rosewood why would a country even ban seeds from exporting? wouldn't that be the logical step to plant more rosewood trees so with time it won't be endangered? this is one of those laws thats idiotic when greed to keep simple seeds from growing around the world & finally being able to use the tree for musical instruments again. it's all due to china illegally logging all the wood for furniture when a guitar would only ever use 2% of that furniture. it's a shame for those of us that appreciate musical instruments
Yeah, it is a shame - but it's a law that 'seems' stupid and not a law that's actually stupid. There is actually a reason behind it, and it's to do with wrecking or disrupting the equilibria of other habitats. You can't just go around planting whatever kind of trees - there are larger consequences to that than just getting those trees. Same reason there's an argument that we should never clone dinosaurs from extant DNA - the magnitude of the consequences is not knowable.
Starts at 6:44
Good granny east indian for the win! It a very subjective thing but I really like the sound of east indian, the extra high end makes it feel more lively. Both types are very good tonewoods, but I think brazilian is too overpriced.
beutiful.
Playing some expressive finger style or classical pieces would give a better comparison. The pieces recorded here are not showing much difference.
Video starts at 6:28
The East Indian guitar sounds like it’s got a subtle compressor on it in comparison... not in a bad way, just doesn’t have as much depth imo
to match the 816ce brazilian i got from you lol
East Indian is clearer and more lively, not to mention less expensive. The good Brazilian is used up.
Definitely different. But the best? I like the Indian
3.5mm is a lot thicker than a sheet of notebook paper. Stack 3 1mm guitar picks on top of each other.
Yeah, I misspoke for the first time. Not! It is Mils not MM. Very thin. I'm working on a edit for the video but good catch. - Chris
Brazilian rosewood has that tight sound, while east Indian wosewood has a boomy resonance (lol Im not sure if I articulate enough) but I kinda like the east Indian tone better
Doesn't sound like an average-normal brazilian rosewood guitar.Two possibilities might be either Not high-grade seasoned Brazilian rosewood used for that guitar OR top soundboard voicing is poorly done sanding to the unified same thickness according to production data-sheet with identical factory Pre-Cut braces kit glued on without precise scalloping & adjusting process. NO two guitar tops are exactly same & identical thus as a result of using same process on all soundboards buying guitars will end up as buying lottory ticket. It COULD be somehow awesome or on the other far end really disappointing. This is why YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LISTEN TO THE SOUND OF A GUITAR BEFORE MAKING PURCHASE.I can tell this instantly cause I have played many high-end luthier hand-made or factory-customshop Brazilian rosewood guitars with individually-voiced soundboards.The BRW will boost the basses & trebles of guitar top to a really high level pretty easily when paired with responsive soundboards.On the other hand, This EIR guitar has a better soundboard which is why many people think the sound from EIR is better HERE by comparing the two demonstrations.IF SWITCHED the two top soundboards of each other, the different WILL be HUGE. Both Good guitars for most players though.
And the great part about it being great is that it's great.
Interesting how everyone hears things differently. I hear the Brazilian as clearer on the individual notes and the East Indian as more muddled. Thank you for doing this comparison.
Muddled? I hear no mud.
if they won’t let you plant the seeds, then the ban has NOTHING to do with conserving an endangered species.
Brazilian for the resale value when all the trees are gone from the fever of the earth.
Indian rosewood sounds like mud , Brazilian sounds sweet, I found the older Indian rosewood the more it sounds flat
East indian sounds clearer. it has better note separation, and it is louder. So save some money and get the EI one unless your just collecting then buy the brazilian one.
Save your money and buy TWO East Indian 814s!
I don’t think one is better than the other
Sorry, but neither of them sound very good, and it's not just the player who has average skills. I'm sure if Tony Rice played those guitars he could coax some beautiful sounds out of them, but he'd have to work at it. And he'd never match what he gets out of his Santa Cruz, not to mention his original Clarence White. I used to be a Taylor guy, but have gone to Collings.
It's You Tubians.
the finish is not 3.4 millimeters or the paint would weigh 3 LBS. Try again.
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Can I downvote this twice ?
Brazilian Rosewood is wasted on any mass produced/partially deaf /average good Acoustic guitar.
Stop talking and start playing
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I’ll take both, they’re pretty much of a better sounding machine except it’s just a matter of how fat is your wallet.
Leave to Taylor to be able to make Brazilian sound as bad as Indian Rosewood.
Too much talking....
Buy a Gibson
You're gonna evaluate SOUND with TAYLORS?????? LOL
...WITH A BOLT ON NECK????
HILARIOUS....b/c you MUST BE JOKING!!!
From an investment standpoint, Taylor guitars suck. They lose their value over time. Good picking guitars. Quality of construction is good with little human manufacturing involved. Strumming on a Taylor sounds hollow on anything but the cedar tops.
Every new guitar goes down in value initially. However, over time good quality guitars that should, do go up in value. It is like anything else. Of course tone is subjective but if you haven't tried a new Taylor 800 series or 600 series you should do so. Very resonant guitars. -Chris
that might be true but if I had to choose out of any acoustic that's out there, I would go with Taylor. I love playing my 814ce, originally was all over the Gibson J45 but as soon as I picked up the Taylor I was in love
I have never had a problem selling a Taylor as I have slowly upgraded along the Taylor ladder over the years. Never. And always close to the price I paid. I tried Martin and they just sound boomy and inarticulate to me. Blah. I love my J45 but people always comment on the sound coming from my Taylor.
If you’re buying guitars as an investment you’re doing it wrong.