How to accidentally discharge your pistol properly.
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A shooter at a local match had an accidental discharge and we were lucky enough to catch it on film. This was NOT a negligent discharge as his finger was nowhere near the trigger when the gun fired.
Consider all of the things he did CORRECTLY during the incident:
1.Gun is pointed down range and in a safe direction.
2. After the discharge he did not panic, but rather surveyed the situation.
3. After surveying the situation he awaited directions from the range officer instead of wildly handling the firearm.
Also, consider all of the things that he did INCORRECTLY prior to the incident:
1. He installed an aftermarket hammer and sear that were labeled "gunsmith installation only".
2. He disabled the firing pin block safety on his firearm for a shorter reset.
In his defense, this handgun had been tested and run weekly at ranges for roughly 1,000 rounds before the sear engagement failed and caused the accidental discharge.
"Task failed successfully!"
NOICE
Hahaha Hilariously Accurate
Literally what I was thinking too. This is basically the personification of that meme XD
Not just failed succesfully, but it shows why all the rules exist and why doing things the correct way helps prevent cascade of bad things.
As in "even if something fails, doing things right saves you"
I clicked just to comment this lmaooo
The instructor is good at his job. Made everyone feel comfortable. Thumbs up
What did he say at 0:33? Something like "I gotta d2 you, I'm sorry"?
@@audreyampora1833 DQ, Disqualify
@@fatralph why is he DQd if he specifically says it wasn't his fault
@@jakeman1251 At that point I would assume the gun is just too unsafe to consider letting him run it
Can we get a quick round of applause for the instructor real quick
As a former instructor myself - that instructor rocks and handled the situation amazingly. Stayed cool, made the situation safe, and remained positive the whole time. Good person. Same goes for the student 👍🏻
Well said
Nicely said, i reacted cuz i got the 501st like on this comment, which makes me an ass for disturbing a well-rounded number, my apologies
Question for you. I cannot seem to find an answer anywhere on the web.
On a semi-auto pistol, when your slide is open and you put in a fresh mag and you pull the slide back and let it slam forward, are you supposed to have the trigger depressed when you let the slide slam forward?
The reason I ask is because when you are shooting; when you pull the trigger, the round fires and causes the slide to rack back and forth. This happens so fast, that your finger is still depressing the trigger when the slide racks back and forth.
My dad told me that you should have the trigger depressed when you let the slide slam forward, but then another guy told me you shouldn't. I can see reasons why you should, and shouldn't, but I don't know what is supposed to be right.
On my dads Colt 1911, I once let the slide slam forward without the trigger being depressed, and the hammer released and followed the slide. Just like in the video. Thankfully it wasn't loaded or else it might have fired. He told me that you are supposed to depress the trigger when you let the slide forward because the gun was designed that way because when you fire the gun, your finger is still depressing the trigger during the slide cycle.
However, on the other hand, you are always told to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire, just like the guy did in the video, but there was an accidental discharge. Clearly the guy let the slide go forward and the hammer followed and it fired. If you have your finger depressing the trigger you obviously have your finger on the trigger and you can falter and accidentally discharge too.
So basically I can see reasons why both ways could be right, but I am not sure what's really the right way.
@@karozans Keep your finger off the trigger till you're ready to pull on target. Do not hold the trigger during a reload, ever, no matter what
well i see 99.9% of shooters on my shooting range load their pistol aiming forward, so it kinda feels a lil bit over the top with the applause n stuff
Thats the difference between an "accidental discharge" (very rare), and a "negligent discharge" (too common). Well handled. This is also the reason for the rule "never point your firearm at anything you are not ok with destroying". And yes, I agree with everyone, the instructor here is top notch.
I beg to differ. As a range safety officer i'd forbid this gun in my range.
Was if confirmed malfunction? Or was gun never cleared as he may have thought it was? The shooter that is?
@@larryz3985 there's more info in the video description, that says the shooter had installed aftermarket internal parts that required gunsmith fitting, and also disabled the firing pin block, but had put 1,000 rounds through it before this.
Ok thanks..
@@oczhaal ah yes because a single malfunction means all guns of this type are unsafe. If you followed that logic no one would have any guns at your range
alternative title: how to give good feedback for when accidents happen
ABSOLUTELY!!! this should be the standart to soo many more successfully defused accidents.
More honest title: how to not get sued by making the person feel like some hero.
@@MelMelMel I love how everything revolves around being sued or not. Maybe the instructor is just good.
I wish all teachers and professors were like this
Just culture over blame culture, the way everything should be.
This is why you don't point a gun at anyone, even if nothing's touching the trigger.
There was this story I heard about a guy pointing a shotgun at a girls face and pulling the trigger "as a joke" because the gun was unloaded, but well turns out it was
@@Quoteory I've seen a video of this. It was a couple of kids playing with a shotgun and one of them got shot in the face. Very sad video.
@@imbastrat They were at a real bangin' party
@@juicebox1316 Not at all, super serious. Those poor people
@@DeanWhipper Thought we were talking about a porn
Four rules of firearms safety
1.) Know your target and what lies behind.
2.) Keep finger off trigger until ready to fire.
3.) Always point muzzle in safe direction.
4.) Every firearm is always loaded and treat every firearm with respect.
He followed all 4 of those rules perfectly.
Malfunctions happen.
Had he not followed those rules then injuries would’ve happened.
Amazing instructor and great student!
The malfunction was him not pulling the slide all the way back.
@@strangelyukrainian7314 The round is chambered by the slide moving forward. Pulling it back ejects the round or casing and pulls the hammer back. If you slow it down, you can see he didn't pull it all the way back. He either slipped or let it go, so the hammer didn't lock, so no need to pull the trigger. Probably an older gun that doesn't have a safety on the firing pin.
@@rogerahier4750You know absolutely nothing about firearms. You cannot have an accidental discharge by not pulling the slide back far enough. This firearm does not even have a hammer in the way you are thinking.
Even old revolvers with external hammers had a half cock so it was impossible to fire by letting go of the hammer.
What happened here is the firing pin was stuck forward.
Also if he didn't pull the slide far enough back, it wouldn't chamber a round successfully.
That list you have is really good, but after seeing this video I’d move number three to the top.
At White Sands, whenever loading or unloading a pistol, the security people have the barrel pointed into a tubes that has the other end submerged in water so that if there is a discharge no one will get hurt.
Firearms are mechanical devices which can malfunction, even if you do everything right.
5.) always have fun
Massive props to shooter and staff. Not only did the shooter follow all the safety rules that turned an unintended discharge into a minor nothing. The instructor knew he was going to feel bad and built him up and reinforced good practices, using this as a teaching moment.
This is what shooting sports is all about from top to bottom
Dang. That instructor is so slick. He really knows humans.
Abit worry some..but not in an scary manor.
He might be a alien
@the_bearded_schlub he’s trying to really clear the air and prevent the shooter from experiencing shame or embarrassment.
@the_bearded_schlub so much anger
@the_bearded_schlub lmao
Hat tip to the RO for maintaining his composure as well and not making it an embarrassing event for the shooter. Extra points for using it as a teachable moment for all that the shooter did right.
exactly, that's how it's done
teachers of any discipline could take this experience as a lesson to bring into their own lives.
Mr. Wubbles... You had me laughing at that one lmao
Well said
Well said. I'd love to join this club/range for those exact reasons.
That instructor was awesome, personally I’m a motorcycle instructor and when someone gets in a minor accident on the range you want to handle things in this manner: Keep it positive, make it a lesson learning experience, applaud or appraise for what was done right to enforce confidence bc a lack of the right mental state could lead to further potentially worse incidents, well done👏
What a great instructor. As someone who has had some terrible instructors I can't tell you how much I appreciate seeing how this man handled the situation.
Was actually good that the instructor made it clear that is wasn’t his fault but the gun malfunctioned on its own and then made sure to thank the shooter for having proper gun handling on the range which kept everyone safe. That is the proper way to make sure the shooter feels like he knew what he was doing and made sure others know what to do and why we do it.
It kinda is the shooter's fault because he modified his gun, which caused the accident
@@CubeBizz did he? It's hard to see for me, but it looked like the gun shoots open-bolt, which kinda would've been his fault and it would do that every time.
@@Midaspl It's in the desciption
@Chad Klaren cannot semi-auto do that too?
@@Midaspl There are open bolt semi automatic firearms, but this wasnt one of them.
I like how he freezes after the accidental discharge. No reactionary sweeps, no looking back and saying anything. Just hold, and evaluate while keeping gun pointed down range. Great for the range.
Incognito12000 ,...yes exactly, he was training himself along with others. The range master handled this beautifully
Exact same thing happened to me with an antique ruby 25 ACP when I racked the slide to put one in the chamber. I too froze up and just stared at the gun trying to figure out WTF just happened.
Much better than shitting yourself and dropping it!
Freezing in place is ALWAYS the best thing to do during an accident as it prevents you from possibly making things worse. It allows you to assess the situation and to calmly figure out what to do next.
I myself had a misfire in a bolt action rifle once, luckily it was only a .22, but it blasted in my face as the rim peeled back sending all the explosion my way. I just froze for 3 seconds, assessed the situation, set the rifle on the ground facing downrange without tampering with it (cuz I don't need to as there is no live ammo in the chamber), I then sat back while my dad and friend got worried and stuff, I just sat there looking off to the distance to test my vision and to figure out if I took any damage to myself in any way... This all happened within about 10 seconds total, afterwards, I was able to tell them I was ok and figure out what happened with the rifle. I kept that shell as a reminder of what can happen even when you do nothing wrong.
yeah. best reaction you can have in this situation i would say. Slow down a moment like "shit. something just went wrong" and take in the situation.
Had something like this happen in the Navy. Was moving a jet and someone blew their whistle so I blew mine went to throw my chock down but the jet wasn't stopping so either I bolted away or someone tore me away it was a long time ago I don't remember, but I remember one of my PO's screaming (not in anger, it's loud and we had ear equipment on) in my ear asking why I threw my chock and I told her someone blew their whistle. Later on after flight ops ended my LPO pulled me up front and applauded me for being the only one who did what they were supposed to do. Felt really good lol
What's a chock?
Sorry bro I didn’t understand most of that😅 not gonna lie
@@rondonxy1245 what are you thick or something?
@@jegsh4299 you don’t have google?
@@pauldoe3201 googling chock wasn't helpful and neither was your comment.
The shooter experience a "Slam Fire", as soon as the slide moved forward to chamber a round it went off. The shooter maintained excellent safety protocols.
Not to belittle the danger it can pose, but "Slam Fire" sounds like a sick album title
Can it be done intentionally ?
@@brostugen some shotguns used to slam fire, you just held the trigger and continuesly racked shells
My last accidential discharge my son was born 9 months later. He just turned 3.
Accidental or negligent?
Humanae Vitae moment.
dad it was a accident its ok so were you
"No such things as mistakes, just happy accidents, and kids"- Bob Ross
was it a double feed?
This man actually managed to: “Task failed successfully”
He’s a short dude, he’s probably used to it.
@@colin-campbell I showed this comment to my short ex
He blocked me
someone already said it
This made me laugh 🤣
@@kaydencebernard7775 worth it.
This is “and everyone clapped” but its real and on video 😂😂
this is such a great moment and i hope i can find an instructor like this someday! i can say from experience that gun ownership and firearm training isn’t something a lot of girls pursue, and part of it has to do with the anxiety and fear of doing things wrong and being humiliated. instructors like the man in the video give me a lot of confidence and i can’t wait to own and train with a handgun myself!
Find a preschool teacher. Clap for a mistake... GTFOH
It's mostly from girls just being less interested in general
@@DiggitySlice people like you who say that shit don’t help, I know you probably mean to help but it doesn’t
@@obeseperson It might! He gifted her his time in writing that, which is a wonderful gift
This is something I've never actually considered.
I always assumed accidental discharges were the fault of the handler; I never considered the gun could just fire due to mechanical error. This is why gun safety and muzzle discipline needs to be so strict.
Any *GUN* could misfire and have an accidental discharge
A negligent discharge is the fault of the shooter. An accidental discharge is the fault of the weapon by some mechanical means. This guy experienced an accidental discharge and was penalized for it.
@@ernestpaul2484 correct a spring or detent could be a reason I've had two stock guns with no mods have accidental discharges
Anything thats ever been made can be faulty. Even something that is made by a robot that has one job and is programmed to perfection.
@@ernestpaul2484 Race guns are typically modified to the point of being less than ideal in terms of safety. I would put money on that it was a modification issue or from a safety mechanism being entirely removed to speed up the action.
Give this man a raise. He was extremely nice about this. He used this as a perfect learning opportunity. Then, went right back to work like a true professional.
@Йеркин Александр i mean, they still learned something so technically it is a learning opportunity
@Йеркин Александр you’re actually fucking dumb 😂😂
@Йеркин Александр yeah dude you’re so smart that your grammar totally makes sense 😂😂 didn’t understand anything from that sentence they way it’s written
@Йеркин Александр lol I speak 3 languages don’t even talk you don’t know me
@Йеркин Александр The shooter followed the rules to perfection.
From your response I doubt you know what rule sets you are attempting to reference that "people anyway may die" while following them.
Feel free to cite which rules he broke and how people will die while following them. I'd really like to know what I'm missing out on.
I really like that instructor for being chill and understanding that equipment will fail on you. I can guarantee that most instructors would've yelled at you and ruined your day at the range for something that wasn't your fault.
I like how gunman himself stopped. He coulda, done so many things other than just freeze.
So many things like what, cry ?
Pretty sure stopping and getting your bearings is pretty much what you should do in this situation.
@@censorduck Absolutely. Pretty sure the guy is saying the dude could've freaked out or something instead of remaining calm
@@aj9777 okay, sorry I guess I should have given a kinder interpretation
@@censorduck no big deal lol
My grandfather always told me "every dog can bite" and "any gun can misfire". Thanks, pop.
@Chad Klaren Well his grandfather doesn't anyway.
@@littlecody thanks for chiming in, armchair range captain.
@@DanTheMailman330 no prob, bob.
@Gabriel mission accomplished!
Even a squirt gun?
Is everyone gonna ignore that sweet catch on the round he popped out the chamber?
Bro the guy behind him caught it. Watch it again 0:19
@@bocejimmy5620 Still a sweet catch
20 rounds and I bet you can do it too! The ejection is quite predictable. But it does look badass sometimes
@@bocejimmy5620 I had to look at that part again what a strange illusion
@@liamlol7340 Well I mean, from the camera angle it looks like it's following that trajectory, but it falls behind his shoulder.
Great instructor, and honestly one of the best videos to demonstrate why you should not alter internals of a firearm if you do not have the knowledge and credentials to do so.
In flight school, we teach about the accident chain. One decision, flipping one switch, one instrument failing, one thing going wrong doesn't crash a plane. It takes a series of adverse events and problems to crash a plane, and you can avoid the crash by breaking the chain before it gets long enough to whip yourself with.
Having the pistol pointed downrange in a safe direction during loading meant that the accidental discharge sent the bullet in a safe direction. Doing that correctly broke the accident chain and prevented anyone from being hurt.
THIS! ^^^
“We have it on video” in the darkest range imaginable
💯
It doesn't lok that dark, but the lights are facing the way the shooters need to see. Light facing them would be bad, for the same reason that at night, say, you're using a light with no shade on it, you hold it out of your eye line. The proper way to hold a torch is, in fact, behind you, so the light doesn't make seeing harder. I think it is sensible to prioritize the vision of the shooters over the vision of the camera.
THAT said, I'd have positioned to camera to the side a bit more with a soft light box and more lighting pointed downrange to give the camera's sensors more to work with. But I understand not wanting to have much down range that can catch lead.
Ur dumb
@@AnthonyBlamthony why though?
773 people need to get their eyes checked.
Pay attention, THIS is an accidental discharge. Equipment failures are the only way you can accidentally discharge a firearm. Everything else is user error, and a negligent discharge.
this
The guy installed his own hammer and sear before the video. That’s why the gun malfunctioned.
@@gabevanyperen Because people don't know the difference between an accidental discharge and a negligent discharge. People often call negligent discharges accidental discharges. We rarely get to see an actual accidental discharge. I'm emphasizing the distinction. If you already know the difference, than this comment is basically a "No shit Sherlock" statement, but many people do not.
@@gamernoob1615 I wasn't aware of that, where is this information provided? Even if you're correct, this is still an accidental discharge because it is equipment failure and not him putting his booger hook on the bang switch.
@@DangerRussDayZ6533 It's in the description of the video. In my personal opinion it is his fault cause he tampered with the gun. If he knew what he was doing it might have been a little different.
Ik this video is years old, but serious commendation for everyone in that building. The guy holding the weapon for following all the safety rules and freezing at the moment of the AD, the instructor for remaining cool and commending the guy and not embarrassing him for something that wasn’t his fault, and the people all behind him for also remaining calm at a situation some would become upset about. Serious commends all around for everyone here
discharge? yes.
accidental? yes.
negligent? no.
On behalf of the youtube community id like to thank you for correctly labelling a video
@austin M I feel like this wasn’t HIS gun but the range. I know little about guns but this looks like a tour lol
@@COhlen Exactly this. I'm fairly certain that's why the instructor was apologizing and making sure the trainee knew it wasn't his fault that the gun misfired.
Hotel? Trivago
@austin M Parts can break. That is why we have airplane crashes even when they are properly serviced.
@@COhlen Read the description. It said HE installed these mods in the "things he did incorrectly" part. So yea, it wasn't his finger discipline that caused this, but it was the "hot rod" mods he installed on his gun to try to shoot/reset faster. So Austin was not entirely wrong with his general point in the comment you replied to, despite you getting way more likes on your comment (which, just a reminder to everyone out there in RUclips land, means nothing in terms on who is right/wrong or who is factually correct.)
This is wholesome. He went out of his way to make sure he didn't feel like the goober who accidentally messed up.
Good God 34k likes is a lot. Thanks.
Yeah, from this short clip, the RO seems like a GREAT RO.
Which is pretty much the only thing he should’ve done too considering it was a weapon malfunction too.
I hope when they talked in private he told him he was an idiot who brought a dangerously modified firearm and stick with factory settings unless he's willing to pay a competent gunsmith to make mods and certainly don't go around disabling OEM safeties no matter how much you think you know better than the engineers.
@@patrickturner6878 Patrick what are you talking about lol how do you know his gun build
@@patrickturner6878 You are making an awful lot of assumptions based on very little information. Whether the gun is modified or straight from the factory is irrelevant, there is always the possibility of a malfunction of this nature happening. Hence the entire point of this video. I think you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
the instructor seems like the most positive guy ever
First, I'm VERY HAPPY that no one was injured in this event!!!
Please also understand, this is meant to be positively critical, so I'm not trying to bash anyone here, just offer things that can help to avoid situations like this from ever happening.
***Before you all ask and send hatred, I am an armorer/gunsmith.***
There is no such thing as an "ACCIDENTAL" discharge. All discharges of this nature are negligent.
To quote your description:
-----"Also, consider all of the things that he did INCORRECTLY prior to the incident:
------1. He installed an aftermarket hammer and sear that were labeled "gunsmith installation only". " --end quote
Yet, you claim this was not "negligence". If he is not licensed, and installed the parts himself, he is responsible for the discharge of his firearm because he didn't have a properly licensed person do the work. That is cutting corners, or saving a few bucks, or whatever you want to call it, but no matter how you slice it, that is operator negligence, and it lead to this discharge, plain and simple. The guy from the "Brick Immortar" youtube channel would agree here. His willful disregard of safety instructions that stated "gunsmith installation only" was the safety violation here, which is willful neglect of written warnings.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
The Range Boss/Instructor did well to diffuse the situation and keep calm and everyone on the range calm. OUTSTANDING job here. The Instructor should call out to the mindset of the operator for always thinking safety and properly following all the rules of the range, which he did a GREAT job of pointing out. However, encouraging applause here was absolutely not okay. It lowers guards and causes complacency and can lead to injury by those that fall trap to it. Everyone and anyone can fall trap to complacency. Firearms and complacency are natural opposites and should not mingle, EVER.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
Equipment malfunctions are never something to applaud. I am happy that the handler was thinking safely and treating the weapon and the range correctly. All the rules of gun safety are to ensure no negligent losses occur, so if one mistake happens, there are other steps taken in its place to ensure safety is maintained. It is a huge sigh of relief and I am EXTREMELY happy that no one was injured during this event.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
It is always the responsibility of the gun owner to ensure no equipment malfunctions occur with their firearm. This was operator negligence and it is not to be applauded. This is a slamfire, and could have easily been avoided, even with a modified weapon.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
Retraining is needed for the operator, and ensuring that they also do not become complacent for the egregious error that occurred with multiple people in extremely close proximity on an indoor range. What happened here was EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and should not, under any circumstance, be taken for granted.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
The operator installed the components, and did not respect the warnings, possibly broke state and federal law (I'm not a lawyer, but I know its illegal in some states, namely mine). AND this occurred even after ~1,000 rounds shot through the weapon. The number of rounds put through the weapon does not change the fact that he did the work himself, therefore the discharge was his responsibility.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
Firearms are NOT toys. They are not for people that all need to be praised when no one gets hurt when a grave mistake is made. The grave mistake, while not injuring anyone, does not change the status of that mistake. That mistake could have caused injury REGARDLESS of the fact that this time, it did not. Firearms were designed to DESTROY, and they are not toys.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
When you have seen PERSONALLY seen what a firearm does to another human being, I'm certain that you will begin to understand my mindset.
I'm not speaking in absolutes here, nor will I claim that I'm better or any nonsense like that. I'm just the same as all of you. My mindset here is clear to ensure safety, and it works. I have never had a negligent discharge in over 20 years of handling firearms, meaning I have NEVER fired a round I have not purposely intended to fire from any firearm I've ever handled in my entire life.
There are no accidental discharges, only negligence.
This mindset I hold helps. I hope you can all understand it, and understand why I'm trying to be positively critical here, and possibly adopt this mindset and share it. Also, I'm REALLY happy no one got hurt here.
So many instructors or supervisors at the gun range have a serious small man syndrome and attitude. This guy is cool as hell. He didn’t make the shooter feel like an asshole or incompetent.
Bro this is so true go to literally any gun store or range and there’s always a douchbag who has a superiority complex
@@MysticalLlama dude they’re such tools!
Many AR-15 owners who try to "full auto" with bump devices have small man syndrome when you tell them what they're doing is pointless, waste of ammo, and going to lead to stricter ATF regulation.
@Ex get over yourself you 1776 faux patriot 😂😂😂
@@JosephArata Many people with no brain have made rules that have no grounding in logic or reality, and those laws still stand because people like you are too busy trying not to make a scene when that is exactly what is required. Stop trying to protect rights that cannot be protected, and start throwing the imbeciles making the laws that infringe on our constitution in prison. Until We The People stand united to remove this socialist regime that has infected our country, there will be no progress.
“This was an equipment malfunction.”
“No, this is Patrick.”
This comment is GOLD
I laughed way harder than I probably should have at this 😂
I wish my name was Patrick so I could use that line all the time.
@@BeetleBuns You know I never do... But I will now 😂
I am not a krusty krab
I love this guy, kept his cool, assessed the situation and once he deemed it was safe, straight damage control. 10/10.
7 years later and I STILL send people to this video as an example of what an actual AD is, vs the more common ND that everyone likes to call an AD. Plus the great job the instructors did handling the situation.
gun: shoots accidentaly
*guy's neck: R E T R A C C T*
Yoo think you are cool
@@elferson You're.
Black Steve Irwin you are*
@@blacksteveirwin8451 .. Jesus, do you actually think "you're" is the only way 🤣 it's just a contraction for "you are". But I hope you were just joking.
he went turtle mode
What most people call "accidental" discharges are usually negligent discharges.
This is one of the rare time it actually is an accidental discharge
@@laconic151 there's mention in the comments that it's most likely wear on the parts, it's got some modifications done for competitions (no mention as to brands, etc.) and it's also mentioned that he runs 1000+ rounds through it a week. Parts wear down over time and considering how regularly this guy seems to run the firearm through its paces, I doubt this is the first time he's experienced parts failures. Not truly a negligent discharge.
Considering he removed a factory safety and installed aftermarket parts himself that were labeled “gunsmith install only” I’d still call it a negligent discharge.
@@Cerus98 Would that still be called a negligent discharge? Wouldn't that be something entirely different? I don't think a aftermarket part that causes a misfire would be negligent on the shooter...what if the gun smith did install it?
@@wahahah - Well, negligence is a failure to take proper care in doing something. Removing a factory safety is a big no no.
And while aftermarket parts are a common thing, especially in competition, it’s still on the shooter to ensure the parts are safe, high quality and installed properly.
Look at it this way, if he had injured or killed someone would you not consider his modifications a direct cause if you were on the jury? Especially if the factory gun doesn’t have a history of failures?
Maybe the parts just suck, maybe he didn’t install them properly. A good gunsmith would/should be able to determine this. In the end, the discharge is on him and crosses all the Ts and dots all the Is to be called negligent.
Now all that being said, on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most serious or guilty I’d say his was maybe a 5. Better or worse depending on the parts quality and his ability to install them.
Gotta love the fudds coming out and declaring customized guns arbitrarily unsafe.
If the parts were installed correctly by a competent gunsmith and even within the warranteed period, they could have still failed. True mechanical failures do happen. Odds are, this was one of them.
I get this recommended to me literally the day after I hear what happened with Alec Baldwin. Creepy.
When the algorithm hits a bullseye. 🎯
Look at how amazing this instructor is, I trust him to show people safe arm practices
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this gentleman is or has been an instructor. Handled it with tact, reinforced the procedure for the shooter, and ensured that everyone there learned the lesson. Exemplary positive reinforcement on display right here.
like dogs
@@ThineLesser yes
BlackHallow! Love you on DOJ!
As for handling it with tact, notice how he didn't even move his hand when it went off. Most people would probably freak out a bit if it went off unexpectedly.
The hell you doin here? Always a surprise I guess
When he catches the bullet after clearing the gun
That's 100% satisfying
0:19
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Naw homie
@@Mr.SpicyIce W...What?
@@Mr.SpicyIce Feel better?
RO catches the bullet.
You can tell for a second he was embarrassed, and honestly that is great. Even though it really wasn't his fault at all, safety should be the first thing in our minds when it comes to our weapons, you can tell that is what was on his mind. Good man.
Well... Its not a coincidence that this is in everyone's recommendations..
Another valuable lesson: Sometimes, you can do everything right and still fail. Question is, when you fail, how are you going to handle it?
this quite deep man
Ranstone - read the description. He replaced the hammer and sear, then removed a firing pin block. IOW he fvcked up BIG TIME.
Equipment fails. By following correct procedure you limit the fail to 'oops' rather than 'oh no'
@@chipsterb4946 At the same time, though: read the description. The gun went through enough firings post-modding that it's hard to say whether the failure was actually because of the modifications or if it was just a genuine mechanical failure. Shit happens sometimes.
Depends on who caught lead
I was secretly hoping that he accidentally discharged a bullseye but safety is neat too I guess.
Safety is fun for everyone
Neat indeed
Likewise
That would have optimized the epic nature of the incident
i guess
“I meant to do that”.
That instructor is such a great soul. And good on the shooter for having good awareness.
I actually clapped at that, no judgment or anything, just a pure explanation of how it was totally not his fault, that equipment can malfunction and go off unexpectedly for thousands of reasons and that the best thing to do is always practice safe firearm handling.
Wait, did you figuratively or literally clap to a RUclips video?
@@TigerPalmer Literally, I was that happy to see it ^.^
It's the right attitude to have. "We didn't catch lead in our shins," was my favorite part because it shows he had his priorities straight.
I.E. Who cares if the hammer is faulty as long as it didn't hurt anyone? You can fix or replace those a whole lot easier than a doctor can dig shrapnel out of you.
I also like the other guys attitude.
"Sorry but I have to DQ you,"
And he's like, "Dude, my gun just malfunctioned, it's not safe." XD
The best thing to do is not use guns at all.
This is the literal definition of task failed successfully.
Comment under you from Swindle 96: "Task failed successfully!"
@@A_Shadow87 so what? Don’t tell me you’re gonna moan at someone copying because I could definitely see multiple people having this idea, even IF in this case they copied
@@Mona-.- yeah good point lol
Lmao fr
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Dad always said "can't hurt someone if the barrel is always pointed safe. Everything else can go wrong and it won't matter"
I agree even after coming immediately from kentucky ballistics .50 cal blowup
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx same thing with anything really, there's always a small off-chance on anything
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx I mean, ideally, our hearts can stop functioning at any moment as well. Not saying you are, but living scared of potential consequences will only consume you beyond reasonability.
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx That's not how statistics work
seems like a decent advice
Hats off to literally everyone in this situation. That was handled perfectly. This right here is why I love the firearm community
His reaction was beautiful. That is the "did I fuck up" pose.
The last time I had an accidental discharge was when I ate at Taco Bell.
It's more of a common joke about Taco Bell. In reality, I don't have problems and enjoy a good fast food taco experience every now and then. We're not actually sick of it. Taco Bell is rarely, if at all, in the media for negative attention. Taco Bell is a great place for post late night drinking munchies. Taco Bell has been a great addition to our American dream at such wonderful prices.
I had a good fart blast of shit leave my butthole last night!
Dumbest joke ever since sauces are weak as fuck...
Fuck that got me
Anton Zuykov Quiet in the Soviet peanut gallery.
Gun: *goes off randomly*
Everyone: *pausing like a stone statue and try to see what got hit before reacting*
20 sec later.. "applause"
Honestly, the right thing to do. "Alert but not panicking" is what you want.
.... And then I collapse to the ground and just lay there....
@@raider1o295 best time for a prank. Those moments rarely happen twice... you know without blood.
they were waiting for someone to drop lol
that instructor seems like such a good guy
The instructor is a damn good communicator
Props to the range captain handled everything very well.
I like how even when the gun went off accidentally, he was calm, didn't freak out or even move his pistol. Just stood still and tried to ascertain what happened. Good discipline. Respect for the instructor as well, didn't make the guy feel bad, just turned it into a teaching moment and reminded that even when folks are doing things right things can go wrong but if you're exercising good discipline things don't have to get ugly.
How did it actually go off tho? Was it bcuz of the slider which he didn't pull back all the way to lock the hammer or what was it?
In the description it says that he installed some aftermarket parts to his gun so I assume they were improperly installed or something and over long time of use something with those parts went wrong.
Not an expert though so I could be wrong.
And casually catching the casing lol.
@@gustlightfall that part's pretty normal for people who are around automatic pistols a lot. (it looks "cool", so most soldiers, cops, range instructors, ect. teach themselves how)
P.S. the empty casing ejected when it fired - he cleared & caught a live round.
honestly that is a pretty normal thing to do if you are shocked though, like even if you arent used to guns if something you dont expect happens you gonna be shockfroze
Good example of a malfunction and why the rules: "Beware of your target and what lies beyond it”, “Keep your finger off the trigger until the sights are on target and you've made the decision to shoot” and: ‘Beware of your target and what lies beyond it”, were written in blood.
Two scariest things for a gun owner: Getting a bang when expecting a click, and getting a click when expecting a bang.
When you fight the first boss and lose, but you were supposed to lose for the storyline.
sekiro
lmao
Metal Gear Rising lol
Megaman X
Right
He did a good job. This is why you always aim at "safe" direction. And too often people think down is safe. The way he reloaded, and pulled back with the barrel aiming down range is a perfect example of what to do. Never reload or rack the slide back with the barrel facing down or at someone or something you don't want to shoot. So general rule, always aim at the safest possible direction.
That guy giving him a round of applause is really happy he’s not gonna lose his job.
These kids gotta eat
or his life
@M. mmilora plus it's not his fault if someone just decides to do something stupid since it only takes a blink of an eye for things to go wrong with idiots with a gun (not that the guy in the video was dumb)
Why would he lose his job for someone else fucking up?
@Nathan Partin disqualify. It was a shooting competition.
I also really love how the instructor did an excellent job explaining to everyone else what just happened and WHY that was handled properly. This is something mediocre instructors often do not do well! Huge props to the instructor here.
Proper range safety and weapon discipline deserves a fucking hug.
One hell of a range coach. Not only did he handle it without over reacting he also immediately realized that it was a "safe accidental discharge", which is a statement I never thought could be said, and used it as a lesson to the other shooters.
Dr. Johnny Sins what?? The guy just accidentally fired a fucking gun. Think of what would had happened if it was aimed at someone
Dr. Johnny Sins how is he over reacting gun went off without the person pulling the trigger
@@stijnverver and that is exactly why you don't point it at someone and keep it pointed downrange at all times, exactly like this guy did.
Love how he caught the ejected live round bouncing off his chest! Smooth man!
Corvid yeah, these gun competitions teach guys to do all kinds of dumb stuff like that.
John Doe for 20 cents, it's not worth chasing it through the air while holding a gun. It will be fine when you pick it up off the ground if you insist on retaining it. The question is, why train to do a trick ejection catch? How is that practical practice? What is the benefit to you as a shooter?
Internet Gangster Nope.
I mean, what does it do that makes you less of a shooter? The guy doesn't look like he's exactly new at shooting, i'm sure someone who trains as much as he does gets bored every once in a while and decides to learn something cool and fun to do in regards to something that is his hobby. Why attack the dude for it lol
John Miller My firearm is a part of me as I train regularly and carry always. One reason a shooter wouldn't want to do a trick flipping ammo out of the gun is that it's a training scar, like lots of thing gun games require. There's the old sheriff story where they were required to retain their brass on the range to keep it clean. Then a sheriff gets in a gunfight and is found dead with an empty revolver and his spent brass secured in his pocket.
Remember, you're always learning something with everything you do. If you don't think of guns as tools to protect yourself and the pistol competition is the extent of your use for guns, then by all means have fun. But for those that carry a gun for protection, it's imperative that you only teach yourself correct actions. Other wise you may end up taking a few shots at a bad guy in a real gunfight, dumping the magazine, flipping the chambered round into your hand and showing the ghost behind you that your weapon is empty, all reflexively because it's what you've don't a million times. You will not rise up and do everything right if you've been doing everything wrong in practice. Think like a samurai. Do everything correctly, always.
I don’t own guns or shoot at all but I use this instructor as a guide on how to handle mistakes as a leader. Just like this instructor, stay cool, don’t lose your focus, speak in a firm but friendly tone, don’t rush to get angry and be decisive. A lot of things we can learn from this instructor
I’m proud to say I am a member of GPS and friends with both these guys. This is 100% the genuine attitude in our club, focusing on safety and a positive attitude.
Ian is an amazing person to shoot with as he is truly a great guy and loves this sport and beyond dedicated to helping people.
Global Positioning System?
@@Daiceto Glacier Practical Shooters. Like how it’s written out in the logo 👍🏼
@@SoupersaladsPSN real talk. What was the fail about? Was it a competition or just a learning class? What did he fail? Lol
@@SoupersaladsPSN because he had a defective firearm, and it's on him that is was.
@@brentharemza4879 read the description.....
Anything mechanical can fail. Its might have been bad mods, or it might have been a parts failure in stock configuration. But, this is why we have safety rules.
and this is why only people who have proven themselves to know and apply these rules should be allowed to have guns
It was most certainly a combination of worn out safety bar with a weak modified spring.
OldPossum wait how exactly are you supposed to work the slide?
OldPossum what your trynna say is that he should slowly let the slide go forward as to not have the slide fully load another round?
I wouldn’t call what they said anti gun
perfect example why firing pin safetys or hammer safetys are better than trigger safetys
When the camp counselor is the range safety officer
This is why we practice the four golden rules, and he was following several of them when this malfunction happened. As a result, no one got hurt and everyone went home safely at the end of the day. Good stuff.
Several? Which one did he miss?
I've never held a firearm before.
@@TowkayCC well there's really none that he didn't miss. He was just saying he followed at the least several of the rules. Which resulted on preventing injury. 1. Always point away from people. 2. Finger off the trigger there's more but those are the two big basic ones that really do quite a bit in preventing an accident
@@nobodycaresanymore188 thanks
Can i know the other two?
@@TowkayCC
Here's all four the way I learned them:
1. Treat every weapon as if were loaded, at all times.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3. Never point a weapon at something you aren't willing to either kill or destroy.
4. Know your target and what's behind it.
If all four of these rules are followed without fail - at all times - you will never see yourself or others injured or killed by accident. It's only when they are treated as suggestions rather than hard rules that people get injured or killed.
Treat them as immutable laws and you will be good to go.
@@cloudyaperture4910 I appreciate you teaching me a thing or to about discipline
"You've just commited.... an INCIDENT"
In all seriousness though, good on the range captain and shooter for making this a teachable moment.
Props to everyone involved from the shooter, the RO, and even the bystanders for handling this incident in the best possible (and positive!) way. That Carnik Con shirt is the cherry on top
I'm a teacher at university, kudos voor the instructor to turn that situation around so quickly and turn a 'mistake' (or rather accident) into a solid constructive learning opportunity for the entire class.
Military be like:
"Half Months pay, quarter rations."
Tbh since it's AD and not ND it would probably just be hand in the rifle to make sure the gun is safe to operate in the future (considering the nature of the malfunction
It's kinda also on the soldier to keep their arms in order, a malfunction with the equipment is ones own fault, it was your job to take care of it
@@knowledge_leaf you seem to be under the false assumption that equipment can’t fail if it’s well maintained
@@talltale9760 To my knowledge, the only 2 ways a device can function in an unintended way is 1. If a piece is worn or damaged, which could be any piece, and would therefore have to be replaced or repaired, or 2. An outside factor influencing the device
@@knowledge_leaf things can and will spontaneously fail. Something as simple as a micro fracture naked to the human eye can cause major equipment failure
That's so nice. Shows how much he cares to show everyone and not beat them down
He couldnt blame the guy, it wasnt his finger that caused the discharge.
@@Arelias95 Also the shooter being totally chill with the DQ for the accidental discharge, knowing the penalty that came with it.
Both sides handled this well. Shooter accepted fault, even if it wasn't a direct fault. Instructor/Range Safety/tournament op followed protocol but also used it as a "here's how to fuck up safely" Can't ask for more.
Mission successfully failed. We'll get em next time.
The instructor followed every principle from, "How to win friends and influence people". From not criticizing, giving genuine appreciation to remembering names of other people. This guy must be a very liked professional, I can tell you that.
If you have to read that tacky book to learn these basic interpersonal skills you've already lost
@@feels6233 You do realize in this digital age people are talking less with each other right? Being socially savvy is legitimately rare
This is the only RSO who isn’t a compete tool.
I agree most range officers are assholes and would have just thrown the guy out
I thought that stood for "registered sex offender" and I was very confused.
@@ForumArcade same difference
@@bilbo_gamers6417 lmao
He's wearing a Carnik Con shirt. Coincidence?
Forget the malfunction, the way he empties the gun is smooth af
That was some action movie shit
Bro. The dude's charisma is off the charts
Old man at the line is like stfu so I can go
And THAT'S why we have safety rules. Bummer on the DQ though, since the shooter didn't do anything wrong.
Doctor Quackenbush The shooter modified his gun which is what caused the hammer fall in the first place.
I didn't know that. Well then, I guess that he brought it on himself.
+Greg Maines And exactly how do you figure? If he had shot that exact setup for over 1,000 rounds before the mechanical malfunction, which is way more than most CCW holders will ever fire, how exactly are you determining that it was the work done and not the mechanical failure of a part?
It's a competition. 100% he modified it for a super light super short trigger pull.
1,000 is nothing. It was defective. Guns are overbuilt to a ridiculous safety tolerance for obvious reasons. The person who did it should be held accountable.
Seems like a cool range officer.
👍
very cool range officer. id love have this guy as my instructor. he knows 100% what he is doing, but he does it and teaches it in a calm and inviting matter. i love his demeanor.
Yes, he's cool but he didn't really understood clearly IPSC rules. THERE IS NO DQ (DISQUALIFICATION) here... See rules 10.4.3 and 10.5.9.
Clearly the competitor didn't have his finger on the trigger... He didn't have to be DQ'ed.
See this rule: "10.4.3 A shot which occurs while actually loading, reloading or unloading a firearm. This includes any shot fired during the procedures outlined in Rules 8.3.1 and 8.3.7 (also see Rule 10.5.9)."
And this rule: "10.5.9 Failure to keep the finger outside the trigger guard during loading, reloading, or unloading except where specifically permitted (see Rules 8.1.2.5, 8.3.7.1 and 8.7.1"
Source: www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf
Brian R They could’ve been doing a challenge, and the discharge DQ’d him.
@@BrianR-ML Yeah, shouldn't have been a "disqualify" per se. However, to be clear, he still wouldn't be able to shoot going forward. 5.7.3 and 5.7.5 & 6 don't allow reshoots after malfunction was determined.
This is USPSA competition. They recently changed the rules to specify that equipment malfunction is still a DQ from the match, as unfortunate as it is for the competitor. Great job on the RO and on the shooter for keeping his firearm pointed in a safe direction throughout
That seems like nonsense. An equipment failure is not a demonstration of capability or lack thereof.
@@nonconsensualopinion it certainly seems this way. However, I have a limited amount of experience RO’ing USPSA matches. And my best guess as to why this ruling came about is this; I’ve had a few shooters ND while still obeying the 3 big firearm safety rules. A little bit of minor digging into the recent history of their competition firearm has almost always resulted in me finding out they changed a trigger spring or sear or some other mechanical part to a lighter (or stronger) than the manufactured version in order to attain some minor edge over their competition (like a lighter trigger pull or shorter reset). This results in a negligent discharge because due to ignorant or reckless modification of their firearm they forced it to a operate outside of manufacturer’s specifications and therefore induced an unsafe condition unintentionally. Therefore the ND is in some way the shooters fault.
The instructor is soo positive, I really like people with a kind soul.
What a positive and professional group of people! Awesome!
A round of applause for Patrick! !! Woo Yeah!! You didn't kill anyone YAY!!
Now this? This is how you have an accidental discharge. The shooter kept his gun downrange, kept control, and cleared his weapon properly. And the instructor praised the guy for his safety skills instead of admonishing him for an AD. Kudos to both.
Most range personnel don't know the difference between accidental discharge and negligent discharge
@@muninrob that was an accident
@@freedomist5354 Yup. Don't see those very often - but they make a great reminder why certain safety procedures (like never letting the barrel cover anything you don't want to kill) exist.
@@muninrob yep
I respect people like the instructor because at the fact that hes properly teaching a guy instead of getting mad and actually de escalating the situation to not have the vibe killed. I love people with that attitude
It's always good to see someone that knows how to handle a firearm safely, the gun malfunctioned and everyone in the building was safe because he was handling the firearm properly
Dive instructor always said, “Anybody can strap a scuba rig on and blow bubbles. What you’re here to learn is what to do when things go wrong.”
Wow that’s really smart
As a scuba diver who shoots, I endorse this message.
@@alquinn3562 Do you shoot while diving? Lol
@@thraelyad6751 I would assume so, it's kinda difficult to clear an infestation of Deep Ones without doing that.
Same thing with pilots. Almost anyone can learn procedures and how to program the plane to fly itself. What's difficult is making swift adjustments and surviving system failures.
I love this video, just goes to show that when you do everything right a malfunction becomes much less dangerous
sure it was a malfunction? looks like he slipped trying to pull the slide back.
@@HiddenAgendas his finger was not on the trigger.
So yes it was a malfunction.
This comment made me realize I should save a link to this video in my notes so I can send it to people who are scared of guns
@@darkember5771 Less of a malfunction, and more of an improperly installed aftermarket part (hammer and sear) and also modifying the function of the handgun (disabling the firing pin block safety). Read the video notes.
Just lucky that no one was injured or worse. If it were my range, he would never be allowed back. You never know what other unsafe modified weapons he would be bringing in.
@@HolbrookStark Send them the one of the guy whose .50cal broke his eyesocket and cut his jugular. Kentucky something or other.
I was a firearms competitor for SEVERAL years in Florida. I NEVER had a negligent misfire...
this wasn't negligence though
This brought back memories...What a great instructor. Turning a negative into a positive. This gentleman will certainly feel disappointed as he was DQ'd because of a no fault malfunction, but because his other drills were spot on, they became a learning point. I remember similar happening to me when I was a Police AFO with a glock 17. Fortunately for me, I was flanked by two Instructors who saw that it wasn't an ND but a malfunction.
Thought this was a joke at first but that’s actually a perfect title. This should be used in firearm training courses as proof of why proper handling is sooo important. It’s unlikely to occur BUT it can happen. Hats off to the instructor for pointing out the importance of what this gentleman did when handling the firearm. Great job guys.
Can't stand the people who believe that mistakes or accidents can't happen to them.
I'm still confused as to what happened. If he didn't have his finger within the trigger guard, how did the hammer drop?
@@DDDYLN According to the description, he made mistakes while customising his gun for speed that caused the hammer sear to malfunction and drop the hammer when the slide fell into battery.
@@someirishkid9241 that makes sense. I've been told never to customize pistols, unless they have adjustable triggers like most 1911's.