SMALLER GAMING MOUSE CHALLENGE | feat. Too Much Tech - Kile
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2023
- This is the SMALLER mouse challenge. I challenge you to use a smaller mouse for 3 weeks, pushing through the pain of adjusting grip like I did. If you want to know how to measure your hand to choose a smaller gaming mouse: • Gaming Mouse Size Guid...
Big thanks to Kile from Too Much Tech for taking this challenge, if you want to join him, find a smaller mouse (under 60% of your hand measurements or the measurements shown in the video above), jump into Quake Champions (free to play on Steam), set it up the way I showed, then do that each week, but the main thing is that you use that new small mouse for 3 weeks straight ... don't switch! Just keep using that one until your hand adapts.
After three weeks, we can all check results. Quake Champions instagib (a mode with instant kill sniper weapon) isn't going to show your exact accuracy improvement but it's a fun and simple way of doing it. You'll know if you've improved by your game play anyway!
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Thank you for sharing the tips RJN! Seeing the results already🖱️🫡
Great to see you on here!
After about two weeks in i've already beaten my Ascended tracking v3 scores and some of my other kovaaks benchmarks using the x2 mini.
you should try the Lamzu Atlantis normal or Mini.
@@321zxc I have both in house actually, the normal one I already reviewed!
babe wake up rjn posted
been using the mz1 rail since you released it and I've been loving it. super light and perfect shape. thanks for all your work
I agree still one of my favorite mice. It took some time to get use to but it was worth it
Got the white mz1, love the shape but got cable issues and overall quality isnt as good as competitors
I use the pulsar xlite v2 mini now and it's great although I feel like my tracking would be a bit better with the mz1's shape
I'm currently using a viper mini without shell, it's around 4.3cm of grip width. it's a Frankenstein monster with pieces glued left and right to match my hand size and shape. I went through a similar process of getting smaller and smaller mices over time because I performed better with them, and at some point I got tired of never finding a shape that felt right in my hand and just started customising it myself.
I have the feeling that a lot of people find smaller mice uncomfortable because they're not the right shape for their hands, as I've noticed that even just moving the resting position of a single finger of 1mm makes a noticeable difference. Maybe the old R.A.T. mice were up to something..
To anyone that feels discomfort or pain using a smaller mice, I suggest to try to figure out exactly why it is not comfortable. Compare the position of your resting hand (just lay your arm normally on the table without holding anything) to the position of your hand holding the mouse, you'll most likely find a lot of differences that may cause the pain. Examples: index and middle finger too far apart (due to wide scroll wheels), index and middle finger too high due to tall buttons, thumb in a weird spot due to the concave shape of the mice's side, hand rotated counter clock-wise because the mouse is too flat, and so on
The most comfortable shape I've ever tried is the MM720 and if it was shorter it would be even better but it's so wide. It's perfect for fingertip
Nice to see that you’re back, RJN!
I am glad to see you back!
When I got back into pc gaming in 2015 I was searching for the right mouse for ages. Going back to the store to test the shapes in my hand nearly daily to make sure I didn't waste my money on something that was right for me.
I saw your videos back then and got the G303 as it was the best for my grip type and hand size at the time but I always felt I needed something a bit smaller. Only recently have high quality truely small gaming mice have come around. Currently maining the HSK+ and have been aiming my best ever with it.
Look forward to the follow up videos and any other possible collabs in the future!
I would love to see you do a mouse pad tier list :).
long time since post, have been wait for this
Zased video as always RJN!
i've missed the content but appreciate you are taking a focus on your own current passions.
nice to see you again!
The size argument is going to be what you are physically pre-determined to be comfortable with. My hand is 21x13 and I thought I'd never like a small mouse until I went to the UL2.
I realized my comfort with that grip came from playing guitar (left handed so my right hand grips the neck) and that natural claw style just works best for me. If I fully relax my hand, my fingers are more closed than open and I think that would greatly determine people's comfort with a larger mouse for palm grip, versus a small mouse for claw grip.
Interesting. Using the 3.0 rule the g303 se is basically perfect. All within a 1 MM of my measurements. Funny enough I've started out with large mice, but over the last year I've slowly stepped down in sizes. I actually find it hard to go back to my larger mice now, with the exception of the scimitar for MMOs.
Hey Zy!
Love your work man, thanks to your recommendation on the Rival 310 back in the day, I've gotten myself one and have been using it ever since that video came out.
I'm starting to experience some problems after a long few years with it and I'm looking to get a new mouse. Unfortunately, I cannot for the life of me, find a 310 anywhere, I guess it's been a while so I'm looking for a mouse with a similar feel and performances, hopefully by Steelseries as well... Would you have any recommendations? I've looked at the Rival 5 thus far, nothing apart from comfort and performance bothers me, I don't care about RGB, extra buttons or what not... The 310 was great for me as someone with really large hands (22/11cm), I guess that's a crucial factor too.
Take care!
The man. The myth. The legend has posted !!!
I had recently gotten a Zowie ec2-c and it’s actually kinda small for me but I’m gonna try and get used to it and see if it helps in the long run. But after this mouse I’m not buying anything else, I’ve changed mice a few times the last few years and the readjustment period is pretty annoying to maybe get a little more comfortable/consistent aiming.
Your video is very nice. Your speaking style is amazing.
Even though you have tour dream mouse i wish you would continue mouse reviews, best of luck whatever you choose to do.
I find a sensor I like, in a shape that is comfy, and stick with it as long as possible. I have essentially used only 3 nice for the last 15+ years. The two latest mice both share the same sensor - CM Storm Spawn, which was replaced with a Corsair Katar when the scroll wheel broke. I find using the same setup long term really helps with aim, especially flicks. I have been using the same QCK+ mousepad for almost as long...around 10 years.
I recently bought the Razer Pro Click Mini to use for both productivity and gaming. At first it felt too small for my medium sized hands. I came from a Logitech Mx Master 3, then switched to a Logitech G Pro, and now this Razer mouse. For work and productivity, the small size felt a bit awkward, but allowed me to navigate Adobe After Effects with a bit more precision when I click on keyframes. It runs on two AA batteries but I only use one to lessen the weight. Some reviews say that using a single battery messes with the balance of the weight but I wonder if it's really a big deal for a small mouse.
These times must be like permanent Christmas for RJN
So many incredible mice just keep dropping nonstop everyday !
Which ones are you talking about?
I switched from a chunky mmo 13 button mouse to a gpx superlight a few months ago. It took me literally 5 days to already outperform my aim with my other mouse, although I had to relearn how to position my fingers on the mouse.
Back at early 2019, my main mouse for games was a logitech g403. I really liked it, it was comfortable and all, but when I started switching to low sensitivity (I switched from 2,8 cm/360 to 35-ish cm/360 and slowly made my way towards 41,5 cm/360), I noticed I had severe cramps on my hand, to the point where I couldn't play games for more than half an hour. That's when I tried my brother's logitech m325 (a small wireless office mouse that's nothing to write home about) and I didn't notice any cramps after about an hour of playing. After getting some recommendations and checking out some reviews (some from your channel), I went with a logitech g305. I haven't had an issue ever since.
I’ve been saying this since I’ve gotten the FNATIC Bolt. It’s such an underrated shape that it’s crazy. I love how comfy it feels while working and gaming. Yeah I have 16x9 hands but the bolt just works! As well sad the x2 mini as well
I have 21x11 and with a tight claw I aim better than with my dav3, especially tracking which I found a little weird
@@dinklezucc5982 well you have massive hands lmao so it makes sense youll aim better with a latger mouse
@@RyseShineReviews sorry what I meant was I aim better with the bolt! Totally not what I expected. Really love the shape.
@@dinklezucc5982 ohhh haha yeah the bolt just has this shape that works for everyone it’s quite impressive
@@ActuallyJamesS I have no issues on the bolt. YeH the side buttons are like weird analog side buttons but I don’t care lol I like the shape and perform my best with the bolt haha
The King has returned.
I tried using a Roccat Burst Pro for a few months, but unfortunately my aim only got worse. As soon as I switched back to the g403, it immediately improved. Currently, I'm using a DeathAdder V2, which I'm pretty happy with, but my aim is at an all-time low due to my almost complete break from FPS games. It's probably really difficult for me to use smaller mice due to my physique, although I've seen some grips that could make them more interesting. Do you have any recommendations for a good but affordable mouse? Wired is fine, and I don't care about wireless.
Hey Zy, narrow mice hurt the joint of my thumb since it's more bent inwards and I have to clamp it harder to feel confident, it's only anatomical I think?
Superlight was fine in this regard and so is Viper V2, but I had to return the viper mini back in the day, the O- and the SS Prime Mini Wireless for example. I wanna try smaller ones but it hurts real bad and it persists! Not just muscle pain but joint pain. So I think the advice of struggling through the pain is not exactly healthy or right. Hands are 20x11.5cm
Went on your recommendation ages ago for Logitech g102 / 103 since i needed something on a budget with a decent shape. It was fine until double click on my switches started messing with whole mouse, RMB and even side buttons. So decided to give Xtrfy a shot with MZ1, since my hand size is almost same as yours so hey it should work?
And yeah its been pretty solid mouse even to this day, I don't play FPS games all that much but I just needed a good mouse for fingertip grip that has a decent length so my fingers aren't going over the edge.
The only thing I really dislike about it are the holes, it was my first super lightweight mouse but really its not my thing, since I don't play competitive fps games so its just a dirt / grime / dust fest that needs cleaning.
I do have a bit of a warped pinky finger so it curves a little bit on the inside towards the mouse, i just wish the pinky spot was a bit bigger. But yeah really good mouse for what it is and works wonderfully, the F11 key thing on the top is also really neat feature that I had no need until I started using it, cable is amazing it never feels like you are wrestling with it or weights you down.
i had the same issue with the zowie ZA 13, it was uncomfortable first but went away after a few weeks. I think just sitting down playing a game casually with a few videos in the background makes the time go by faster
Thank you for recommending the viper mini. My only problem with it is the middle click only sometimes works, after a year or so of use. I love the feel of it though
I never buy razor because something always breaks
I also had the same problem you can try to open the mouse and put some electric contact cleaner on the middle mouse button that fixed it for me.
I remember trying the Viper Mini and Superlight. The shape and size of the GPX was really the only thing that was worse, but it was enough for me to return it and get a Starlight S.
RJN, have you tried any of the Glorious Forge mice? I picked up the Series One Pro and it's been dope so far
I know why i started to use these tiny laptop mice at some point and was aiming really good back in the days.. Like 15 years ago :D Got myself the Razer Krait and loved it. After that I never had a mouse that worked for me the way the Krait did but now I got the MZ1 Wireless and I love it! The ONLY thing that gets on my nerves is the lightshow when you are charging the mouse.. xD
i'm using the MZ1 for a year, then the cable failed on me and sadly it's hard to find replacements in turkey, so I got the mz1w it's my main but I recently got a viper v2 just to try it out, going back to the mz1w for sure
My man we wanna know where the v2 pro should be placed within the top mice list
I’ve been testing and collecting mice since the 90’s and I have large hands and prefer smaller mice. Some of them you feel some cramps but only for a few days and then you get totally use to it and have zero discomfort. This challenge is good because people might stick with it when most people nowadays quit quickly on everything which is why so many people have small mousepads and play with insanely high sensitivity because it takes them too much time to get use to low sensitivity which will make them a better player but they don’t want to take the time. I’d challenge people to play low sens on a large pad for at least two months and then you’ll never go back to high sens and wish you had used low sensitivity sooner.
Recently got the MZ1 rail and am liking the shape so far, I wish there was a few more DPI steps as I use 2800dpi. Maybe something for a future firmware?
I always played with fingertip grip and i blindly chosed the Glorious Model O-, checking with my fingers as mesurement seems that ive made the right choice and im glad about it, its a great mice
When I went from Logitech ergo mice to the GProX for the first time my hand was cramping the first 3 weeks. I actually returned it at the time. I went to a Model O Wireless and it was immediately more comfortable. Ran that for a year then went back to GPX and it was the best decision ever. Wish i had just stuck through the pain and gotten used to GPX because this mouse is so superior.
19.5 x 10cm
I definitely feel like my aim suffers but not so much from the size of the mouse, more so from the weight. I have a G502 with no weights in it and it's still too heavy for fast accurate aiming. Prior to that I had a much lighter low-end Logitech laser mouse (can't remember the model) and my aim was better with it. I kinda want to try the G203 or the wireless G503.
I really recommend trying the G203 and G305 wireless. Maybe it's just personal preference or habit, but I have been using them for years and still find them amazing. I tried to use the G Pro Superlight, it was extremely light, but the rear part was far from the best for me. I'm now trying a quite new one, Hyper X Pulsefire Haste, wired. It's very good for the price, doesn't break the bank, and it's much lighter because of its honeycomb structure. However, I can't notice such a big improvement compared to the good old G203 and G305.
Let us know!
I bought a smaller mouse blindly just to try it, since I've always been used to large MMO mice. My god I love it, even though I miss out on the extra buttons. (I tend to play the old FPS games that have 10 weapon slots so it's just more convenient to have those on my mouse) Now I have to wonder if I got the mouse that is right for my hand how much more I'd love it.
Lately I forced myself to use a smaller mouse the corsair katar elite and use fingertip grip instead of my standard palm grip and boy oh boy now I'm nailing it. It was some hard to get used to it but now there is no step back
I want to go smaller than the MZ1 but that require a custom mold. (something like g wolves HSK pro lacks palm support so it's a nono for claw grip)
Thankfully there is a website who does just that.
Using the 3.0 rule the x2 mini ends up matching up with my exact measurements. If that’s the case would I also benefit from trying the bolt since it’s a bit narrower?
First I thought that I need bigger mouses, but my palm isn't so big (17x9,5cm). I bought Corsair Harpoon Pro Wireless, but I got cramps all the time. After some research I found your webside and based on my experience I choose palm options, then I bought Steelserie Prime Wireless. Despite being it a great mouse, didn't felt kinda right, so I've watched some of your videos and choose Logitech G305. It feels much better now in hand, though it has worse quality and main mouse buttons are too light (I click RMB accidentally all the time). Got it for less than a week so it's kinda fit the challenge. I'm considering Razer Orochi V2, but that's some price diffrence there.
Sat here with my ROG Strix Carry like. Not as good performance on paper, but the figures don’t quite do it justice of how robust it feels in the plastic, with its hot swappable switches.
Is there a list on smaller mice? i'm up for the challenge but a list to pick mice from would be pretty good hehe
You can arrange the top mice list on my website by size, I'd recommend doing it by grip width!
I found the pain for me is from the over exagerated cupping position most mice require me to put my hand in.
The more open my hand can be, the less pain. This doesn't always mean the smallest mouse, but
a mouse that isnt as tall.
After using the Logitech Superlight for about a year, I realized that I used a fingertip grip quite often. So I decided to jump to smaller mice and one being the G-Wolves HSK Pro ACE Wireless (a big size difference).
I came to really enjoy the mouse. So much freedom and it felt almost natural to me when aiming. Although an issue with small mice, in my opinion, is that I like to use side buttons, but it's a bit hard to do so on fingertip-only mice.
Pretty much the same experience but with the HSK pro 4k wireless. The only the exception was for me that I needed to switch from the stock mouse skates to superglide dots.
switched first to razer mini then to hsk pro 4k, hand cramps limited my gaming time to 2h at first, but aim felt really amazing. Now a month in i can play again 30h straight without any issues.
19.5 x 10.5 cm hands currently use the viper. Plan on trying the viper mini next.
that finger rule fit my mouse perfect, no wonder i love the 305 lol.
I am hooked on small, lighter mice, have been for several years. The lighter the better, I seriously believe you can't go too light with a mouse.
Now, finding the right shape... that is a different story entirely. That is where it gets hard.
I just started using the logitech g303 (shroud)
For my hand, it fits the middle finger and three fingers measurements.
TL,DR: Changed my Xlite V2 Mini for a Viper Mini to fingertip (18,5 x 9,5 cm hand size). Even though it's heavier and wired, I performed muuuch better.
Not doing the challenge, but I wanted to share some experience :) For info, I fingertip while gaming, my hand size is 18,5 x 9,5 cm.
I was using the Xlite V2 Mini (extremely similar to the Skoll Mini shape), and I recently "downgraded" to the Razer Viper Mini.
For fingertip, the shorter hump and thinner grip width helped me fingertip more consistently in the long run.
At the first 30 minutes, I did complete trash. I took a dinner break, and when I resumed ganing, I immediately felt a lot of better control.
I think this comes to show how shape is really key - even though I switches to a wired mouse that is 8 grams heavier, I could perform better.
I went from the finalmouse superlight to the model o and then have been on the mz1 since it dropped big fan
I have watched the channel for a long time. I bought the mouse from testing it in store. G703. Switches got busted a couple of week ago. Your hand guide rec was 703 😁 and bassilisk. I use my friend's viper and my R fingers were hearting plus my middle finger was over the mouse. I use palm grip
I currently have X2 mini and Sora. X2 mini gives much higher range of motion but my aim isnt that stable. On Sora the hump is way bigger and I feel like it get in the way sometimes but It has slightly thinner grip width and sides are angled, I feel more precise and stable .Cant decide which one to use :(((((
Kile with RJN? Daaang!!!
im not really doing the challenge, but i have uh like 21 x 10.5 hands or something and im using the HSK pro 4k (with skypad) best ive ever aimed after just a few days
I need you to make a review of the new endgame gear xm2we and xm2w when it arrives.
Review the new g-wolves mice (HTS+, HTX, HSK)
Mz1 rail is my favorite mouse of all time. However, I had 4 wired mice and they all had the same issue, then got a wireless with issues as well. I want to use a mouse with this shape, but without the problems I've encountered. Always treated it with care too... using the bolt for now; thanks for your videos.
What issue was on the wireless?
@RocketJumpNinja Wired for me all had the same issue (disconnect issue), even with a fresh batch and the latest firmware. Wireless developed a double click problem with left click and double/triple clicks on middle mouse. Rebuilding it with some cleaning helped for a day and then the double click issue started again. Latest firmware on that as well. Xtrfy was very helpful for the first returns on the wired mice but said I would need a video proving my issue for the second round of wired mice (2 each for first purchase and for warranty exchange, 4 total wired all same issue). I haven't received a reply regarding the wireless mouse and its been over a month.
I want to also explicitly state that I have no ill feelings towards you or Xtrfy as I understand these things happen. It just sucks that this is happening to the best mouse I've ever owned.
To add, I tested each of these mice on a full suite of separate hardware (3 pcs all with different mobos and processors, 2x Intel, 1x amd). Different usb ports on each; all tests yielded the same result. None of these mice have been exposed to any liquids or were dirty by any means.
Thanks for replying Zy.
Yeah that is really sad to hear, thanks for patience and understanding. Obviously I and even Xtrfy can't do much when stuff is going wrong at the factory level, but they are trying their best. That said, we definitely want to help you have a good experience so if the support team isn't replying, then I'm happy to take the issue to the main team at Xtrfy to see if they can help. Do you have a Twitter I can DM you on so I can get some details for them to chase it up for you?
I went from the type of mouse the MX580, 502 and Basilisk were to the Roccat Kone Pure Ultra, and it was amazing. Now I use the Kone Pro, which is about the same weight as the Kone Pure Ultra, but bigger. I measured the Kone Pro just now with my finger for length and three for width, and it was exactly the size as the fingers both times :P The Kone Pure Ultra was incredible for the time I did use it thought, so, yeah.
i guess the aria is the best small mouse for me based on the measurements strategy.
ive started to light small mouse, ive moved all the way down in sizes and im already on the xlite v2 mini, im looking for something that is a lot more narrow but the options are so limited
Agreed. I got a Starlight-12 S, and for 19x9 hands, it was slightly uncomfortable to use.
After about a month, it was easily the best mouse I've ever used.
what grip do you use on it? i have a similar hand size at 19x10 and I couldn't find consistency with it like I could with the medium, maybe if I full committed to fingertip
@@RiceisJelly yeah, i went full fingertip. i had to basically give up using side buttons for a bit, but eventually got used to using them. also using grip tape on the sides helps.
Currently I'm using the G PRO, I've been using this mouse for about 3 years now and I have seemed to hit an aim plateau (my aim just doesn't reall improve no matter how much I practice).
My hand is 19.5cm x 9.5cm and I have been looking into getting a different mouse since my G PRO is starting to show its age. Would the Fnatic Bolt or xtrfy mz1wireless be a good fit?
Some tips would be extremely appreciated !!! Since I don't really have to money to try out a ton of different mice, the one I buy will probably be my main mouse of the coming years.
u can try viper mini, it’s cheap and my hand is 19cmX10cm… used logitech g102 since 2018…bought viper mini because of it’s 60gm weight, got used to within hour… my aim felt better, got 47 awp kills in csgo deathmatch.
yo Zy! could you please use your connections to Xtrfy and create a shorter MZ1 please? love the shape, but it's just about 2cm too long for my "aggressive"? fingertip grip. love from germany!
Hello guys, I actually swapped from air58 to razer viper mini (18.3cm x 9.5cm hand)a while ago but I noted I started aiming worse. Oh I prefer claw grip but I was using every grip throught my life. claw seems to be the best for now. Unfortunately I developed some weird grip ( very angled fingers almost sideways) so mi right flicks and control overall were horrible. Back to my air58 and much better already. Will try again swapping to viper mini but now I will spend time on perfecting my grip. If you have any tips / anything I should try just let me know. Maybe my whole gaming posture is shit who knows.
the golden age of gaming is about perspective I think, in 20 years the next generation of gamers will have a period they think was the peak
So at least there will be another by then in that sense but I figure with every new game there’s someone who loves that game 😂 and will be bummed when it’s server gets shut down
Have you used the G Wolves HSK Pro RJN??
Alright we'll give this a go, going from a pulsar xlite v2 to a g203 with 19.5x10.5 cm hands in claw grip
I used zys rail for a long time, but my hand is just too large. I think if you can palm a basket ball, you really need to start looking for larger mice. The deathadder v3 is perfect for me. Its large enough for me to not feel like I am putting a lot of effort into just holding onto the mouse, while still being light weight.
Not sure you should base that on people that can palm a basketball, because I can use the MZ1 just fine 😅 twitter.com/RocketJumpNinja/status/1436979051768397828
@@RocketJumpNinja We have talked before and you commented that my handsize was nuts, but we worked out a better formula for mouse picking for me. It is just too small for my hands. This probably includes the fact that I have more limited hand mobility than most due to working with my hands my whole life.
RJN’s secret plan to revive quake
secret plan to sell MZ1's
I did the knuckle rule on the GPX and it's perfect lol
i switced from a roccat kone pro air to a hsk plus wireless and love it
Yeah! Let's go OG
Funnily enough my first mouse I could aim decently with was a tiny Logitech M185 that is definitely not a gaming mouse. I got it as a gift when I was younger so I could use my laptop for schoolwork easier. After earning my own money I got myself a G403 then moved on to a G703 after the right click stopped functioning. I have 100% noticed that my aim was the best with a mouse barely half the size of my hand. I would kill for a high end wireless mouse nearly the same size/shape of that little Logitech mouse, but for now my G703 is good enough. At least until the G Pro Superlight is on sale for a decent price.
Hand Size: 19x6.3cm Have been using the Zowie ZA12 for nearly 7 years now but will use a Viper Mini starting from today. Will definitely take some time to adjust.
19x9.5 here, i main the xtrfy m8, i hope they release a mz1 version with solid shell like M8.
Well, I'm currently on the Finalmouse Small with 18 x 9.5cm hands, there isn't a much smaller mouse that I could use other than maybe your rail. I wish Xtrfy made a "pro" version of it so to speak, It is easily a 50-55g mouse if they removed the battery slider and the RGB.
woah an actual RJN vid. Been a while
Yeah true, trying to get back to making videos now ... pretty much done with the rewrite of my first book, just have to fix mistakes and get it ready for publishing, so lots of stuff coming soon. Thanks for sticking around!
Cooler Master MM712, Fnatic Bolt, Burst Air Pro or Ninjutso Sora?
for the MZ1, can you make a program that lets you select custom dpi?
I was using a starlight-12 small and i hurt my right pointer finger/knuckle. This was about a month ago it doesnt feel right. It was from tap strafing on a small mouse while claw gripping. Now cant play at all im just waiting for it to heal. Cant even play controller. Cant even use it for just clicking the mouse. Cramping is different from tendon swelling. Thats my theory at least idk if its true but i always used small mice and never hurt this way until the starlight 12 small
I have integrity so I decided to do this properly. I ordered an HSK pro ace! Best of luck guys!
You been missed RJN welcome back!
hi mr. ninja, thanks a lot for your videos and homepage. can you recommend a gaming mouse for extra small hands for my son? he is turning 8.
Me: Listening to Zy's professional opinions on shape for hand sizes.
Zy: finger length should be close to base length of mouse.
Me: holding HSK Pro 4k...
Honestly zy rail for me felt too long.. but I haven't tried the wireless zy rail with swappable back plates.
Hand size: 17.5x9cm
Razer Mamba TE -> G502 -> G pro wired -> Model o minus -> Viper mini -> Razer Viper -> Viper mini -> G pro wireless -> MZ1 -> G pro superlight -> Starlight 12 LL. And I can definitely say once you push past the pain of using a small mouse, its incredible.
ROCKET JUMP NINJA FINALLY REMEMBER HIS RUclips PASSWORD!!!!!!!!!!
@RocketJumpNinja, can you please give advice on the curling of the ring finger? When holding my mice, I always end up having it curled because of its size and the wish to claw grip. However, it turns out to be quickly fatiguing.
what mouse are you on? try keeping your hand as relaxed as possible or switching to a relaxed claw/relaxed fingertip grip with your fingers fairly straight or at most slightly curved if you cant stop tensing it or if you get fatigued even when relaxing your hand.
@@r_se I'm using the Logitech Superlicht. Thanks for your advice. I'll give it a try.
The issue I have with this mouse is that I play low sens and this with its quite average shape makes me hold it tight.
Can you make a short on how to grip the mz1? I feel like I have been trying forever and I don't understand. I need a visual from multiple angles. I don't mean to seem annoying I just can't get the hang of it.
Also to add I think the straight fingers for the fingertip grip is messing with me to. I don't know how to incorporate fingertip aiming with the flat fingertip grip
im gonna try the viper mini signature to test it too from ec1 hahaha
I'm using the HyperX Pulsefire haste as of right now, but the plan is to use the MM710. I'll give you an update in 3 weeks :D
I find myself aim better with small mice but then there is a limit to how small it can be. I tried mz1 for a months and got amazing aim but my arm just feel pain so much. Then I step up to something a big bigger like viper mini, and xtrfy m8 then found that I felt more comfortable while my aim didn't change too much.
Yeah that makes sense, so there's a balance point ... too small and you'll get too much pain, that's why I say try it for 2-3 weeks, if it's painful, go bigger. And if it's too big, you just won't aim at your best (that's my experience anyway). So gotta find that size that's going to have good aim with no pain (once used to it).
When switching to a smaller mouse, how long did it take for the pain to go away?
I sometimes get tight feeling hands and occasionally pain in my forearms which is why I've just been using an EC1-B for the last few years for its ergonomics
3 weeks, no pain after that
imo there are likely 3 different causes of pain.
1st. The pain that doesnt matter, this is just your hand getting used to the mouse and working different muscles so causing some pain. This is about 3 weeks like Zy says in the video but i'd say a more safe bet is 4 weeks for you to adapt.
2nd. Pain from a bad mouse grip, this is not the mices fault buy you gripping in a ergonomically bad way that is causing consistent issues. The bad mouse grip could be not an issue with your grip shape but maybe that you are holding it too tensed up causing stress rather than being relaxed.
3rd. Pain from just having the wrong mouse for your grip or just the wrong mouse.
The latter 2 are the ones that could eventually cause lasting damage so try and eliminate them first when trying a new mouse, jsut because a claw grip or something looks like you should be tensed up you hand should still be relaxed when using it.
I think the reason ergo mice are more popular is that it guides you into a healthy grip without you having to figure one out yourself, but that doesn't mean that you can't have ergonomic grips on other mice, it just takes more effort.
Also another remedy is if you use your computer for work or school etc using a properly ergo mouse for that, personally i use a cheap Anker vertical mouse when not gaming as you dont really need the precision a gaming mouse offers and it is a more natural grip shape.
Because no matter what grip you use on a gaming mouse its going to cause some stress because of the way your forearm and wrist bones work, holding your hand horizontally is not a natural position at all, it actually causes your bones to criss cross
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Like this, i think this is why some people grip their mouse more over to the side in weird claw grips as it would be more ergonomic.
Any suggestions to go from a G305? I've modded it to about 80 grams, but not sure where to go smaller and lighter from here as I like the shape.
Razer Viper Mini? Xtrfy MZ1 too. There are a few, jump on the website, put in your hand size, see what you can find that's smaller than the G305! That's also on there, so check measurements, then look at what's smaller.