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Mitsubishi Outlander off road
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2019
- 2016 outlander, stock suspension, 2” larger Yokohama Geolander G015 A/T tires. Genoa Peak OHV trail South Lake Tahoe. You can see the S-AWC system working. The front axle has a electronically controlled LSD, the rear uses brake lock to brake the spinning wheel to send power to the other side. It’s hard to tell in this video but it’s very steep. The AWD system does its best but is limited by software and the CVT transmission and 4 cylinder engine. Momentum is key but I was able to get through these obstacles with very little so as to not destroy my unprotected underbody. I had no issue with over heating my transmission as a lot of Subaru’s do, but after almost 2 hrs of off roading climbing I got a warning for “AWD system over heating slow down”, I still have the fiction of my AWD system and was able to back down and turn around and after a few mins of driving the warning went away.
What size tires are they exactly? I also have an Outlander and I'm looking at 245/65/R17. That's roughly 29.5 x 9.5 x 17. I am buying 17 inch rims if you're wondering.
@Mike S. My tires are 235/60R18’s. You can go up to a 30” tall tire. But you will rub slightly at full lock. Idk about 245, but I no 255 width tires will also rub slightly at full lock. If your buying rims I would suggest going all the way to 16” rims. That’s what the base model outlanders run and they’ll fit fine. If you want more info follow me on Instagram @j_k_adventuring. There’s a very small community of outlander guys going off road. A few other would be @revving9k, @outlanderjack. There’s maybe 2 more I can’t think of off the top of my head. But we have info on tires, lifts, and random fun adventures.
@@jklpino Thanks for the info. Hopefully I can make up my mind on tires before winter hits haha. I also found the Geolander MT in a 225/65/17. Might end up getting those just because they look awesome :D
I have the geolander A/T G015’s. If I could afford to buy a set of rims and tires I’d go for the mud terrains. But I’d keep my stock rims and keep street tires on it for everyday driving. And before I went somewhere to mess around I’d swap my rims and tires to the mud terrains. Mud terrians tend to have a really noisy and annoying hum on the road. They can also be hard to balance, so you can end up having bad vibrations in the steering wheel. And just in generally on the road they are not going to handle very well compared to regular all season tires. And they’ll also wear out way faster compared to really all season tires. So it just depends on what you want and what your willing to sacrifice to get what you want. Also, I’d get the narrowest tires you can, it will help your fuel economy, it will help them not want to wonder on the highway, and in snow/ice it will focus the weight on a smaller area giving you better traction. Wider tires for the type of stuff our vehicle is capable of doing, is not going to help much. Just waist your fuel economy.
@@jklpino I personally think it would be more cost-effective and comfortable to go with smaller rims to pair with tires of higher side-wall, like 215/70/16
N Ma it would definitely be more comfortable to run smaller rims. But unfortunately there is a up front cost I couldn’t afford. Your taking about $1,000 for a set of tires and rims vs $500 for tires only. And as far as capability off road. Your a little more safer off road and the capability is about the same. But your sacrifice more on road with handling due to side wall flex. Same exact tires and over all size with a smaller sidewall will handle better on road. And since my vehicle spends 98% of its life on road, it makes more sense to keep the larger rim. Plus it’s my family vehicle, I have to make smart mods so as to not drastically change the on road capability of the vehicle. Next mod is a suspension lift with stiffer springs. The slight reduction in handling from a taller ride height should be minimized by stiff springs. Plus I no a few people running them and they claim to have improved handling due to the stiffer springs.
Thank you for making and sharing the footage. There's not very many Outlander off-roading videos. I've seen ones in Russia. I have a 2017 Outlander SE myself.
As the Outlander is a decent, competent soft roader, I bet - apart from any ground clearance issues - it's got the wrong tyres, I've seen two wheel drive Dacia Dusters with decent tyres cope with worse terrain/conditions. Never ceases to amaze me how we are all conned by tyre manufacturers and OEMs. Modern 'eco friendly' tyres are often summer only tyres.
Between the 1.5 inch lift and 2 inch larger Yokohama all terrain tires... I have 10 inches of ground clearance, more than most Jeep wrangles. Apart from you not understanding the steepness and looseness of the terrain, the tires performed quite well. I’ve driven this trail with stock tires and wasn’t able to make the 1st 400 meters with stock tires. So I’d be happy to see any vehicle with any tires make it in 2wd.
Apart from you not knowing what your talking about between the tires, the modifications this vehicle has, and the difficulty/steepness of this terrain. You are correct, the outlander is a competent soft roader. 😉👍🏼
Very nice car I've a 2019 2.4L AWC one and it's a gem ( previous car was the same 2009 rally red)
Thank you. I love my car!
Good Car Mitsubishi power💪
I own MY 2017 manual diesel (common in Europe) and have 19" summer wheels with tires (stock) and a set of 17" winter wheels with tires. So I found it amazingly more capable when offroading with the winter tires and the smaller wheels. But quite a good video having in mind that you are on summer tires and CVT
These tires are Yokohama geolander G015 all terrain tires. In America they’re considered all season tires, but these tires are actually rated for snow. Summer tires here are generally considered only road going tires, not “off road” tires. I’m jealous of your diesel options there! I’d love to have a diesel pajero sport! But unfortunately they are not available here in America not even in a gas engine.
@@jklpino well, due to EU emission regulations they capped the diesel version to 150hp only and the 170hp and 190hp versions of the same engines are not available anymore. Also for MY2018 onwards diesel is not offered in EU, just the small GAS engines that also do 150hp but lower torque, so don't be jealous.
On the tires topic-we also have all season tires, but are not very common and therefore it is not easy to find good ones. Off-road specific models are expensive and really hard to find. The standard is to change tires twice a year between winter/summer ones.
@@klisurski the gas engine version here is not much more powerful. I think 166hp. I’d take a 150hp diesel cause the torque would be much higher! And I’m sure the fuel economy is much better also!
Due to the fact that large parts of America don’t get extremely cold, we are not required to run winter tires. For large parts of the country it really never gets cold enough to be in the proper operating range to run winter tires. Usually “summer tires” are only run on high performance vehicle that want extra grip. I’d say a vast majority of people in America run all season tires.
All terrain tires now are becoming so common because of the “over landing” trend that’s going on here. The Subaru community going off road is exploding and just people going out doors and off road is also exploding due to the corona virus and people just wanting to get away from people. A lot of the “city dweller” people are buying AWD vehicles and going into the mountains and off roading for the 1st time. And they have money to spend on parts so a lot of the tire manufacturers are now making all terrain tires that fit the the vast majority of AWD SUV’s here in America. I could almost guarantee you could find a all terrain tire for almost any AWD SUV in America in a stock size and slightly larger then stock size.
Teamwork pays off.
I've been offroad in more capable vehicles and the biggest rule is to don't stop going uphill or you're asking to get stuck.
That is a great rule of thumb, when you have under body protection, great ground clearance, and low range. Unfortunately if I would have done that I would have destroyed the underside of my vehicle and probably ripped open my oil pan or some other critical component. I had to carefully pick my lines through and put tires up on rocks in order to gain clearance. But coming down off those rocks to quickly would slam the underside into the ground or rocks. In the future my vehicle will be getting a small 1.5” lift and some under body protection. But likely I won’t tackle a trail this difficult again. I wanted to see the limits of my vehicle and I found them. The risk of damaging it on a trail like that is to high to really put to much effort into making my vehicle more off road capable. This type of trail should be left or a true 4x4 vehicle with low range and under body protection. But as a side note, 95% of the rest of the trail, my vehicle did just fine. Large rocks and steep inclines is a weak point for awd vehicles like mine. But, I was able to do it, and didn’t break my vehicle. Although I would no recommend others doing what I did in any awd vehicle without low range.
Real world testing, thanks
It was difficult first because it has a CVT transmission, and second because is the 2.4 with only 166hp, if it was the V6 with 230hp and the 6 speed auto could do better or maybe just the 6 speed auto
Ya. Unfortunately I didn’t buy this car with the intention of “off roading” it. So it suits my needs for everyday. And it’s fairly capable off road. So it’s fun to go on little adventures. This trail is not the norm or us. Just wanted to see what the vehicle could do.
She said ughh my bumper when he tapped them 😂😂😂🤣🤣
Yes. Nothing like off roading to put your relationship to the test! She was not happy about some of the things that happened this day!
Wow it did very well. Good video
Девушке респект всё правильно показала ! 👌👍
Very good car
Yeah the whole point of driving is that its quicker than walking....what are they doing?
James Daly The whole point of driving this OHV trail is having a fun, off road, outdoor experience with the family. It may be quicker in some sections walking. But walking 5 miles up hill with 2 kids on your back would be pretty difficult. Actually at the time I think my wife was around 6 months pregnant. Your only seeing small clips of about a 2 hour driving experience off road. Glad you enjoyed the video enough to comment.
@@jklpino so you brought your pregnant wife and family to a remote area off road where you could get stuck for hours in your family car that in my eyes you are abusing it to the point of damaging it and that you probably may need to bring your wife to hospital in the future......rrrrrightttt.
James Daly welp, it wasn’t actually in a remote area. Just up in the mountains. Although the drive took quite awhile because we stopped to take pictures and what not. We were maybe 2 miles from a housing development. And ya, I was definitely borderline abusing my car. But luckily I’m a mechanic and do all the maintenance and repairs on my own vehicles. And I’m smart enough to do those maintenances before and after this trip, and bring along my scan tool so I can monitor all my temps, engine oil, transmission, transfer case(PTU), coolant, etc, And make sure they’re all within range so I don’t hurt anything. And as far as needing to take my wife to the hospital. Like I said, we weren’t far from town, and I didn’t go up anything I could back down and turn around to get out of there. But I appreciate your concern for my wife. Luckily she is more adventurous then it sounds like you are.
@@jamesdaly6885 okay boomer...
Lol
There is no doubts that the all wheel drive system in outlander is excellent but the approaching angle is suck and the ground clearance is not quite good for your road.
The approach angle is not great. But 2 inch larger tires helps somewhat. But not one time did I hit the front of the vehicle on the whole trail. That being said, I did have to drive side to side and strategically place my tires on the high points on the trail in order to not destroy my car. The only part of my vehicle that hit was occasionally on the unibody frame under the car. But nothing was damaged.
There is nearly nothing in this category that will do everything straight from the factory. However this thing will probably get you 99% of places stock
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I have an 18 PHEV GT and was looking around to see if anyone had gone up on tire OD size.
I was looking at 235 60 18 but also 65. I don't off-road but may one day. I mostly highway and need less revs since no transmission, just single speed hubs on the electric motors.
You can run the 235/60R18’s with no lift and no rubbing what so ever. With the 65’s you’ll have some rubbing while reversing at full lock. If your looking for lower RPM’s to help with your fuel economy these tires will actually make it worse. The weight and rolling resistance of the tire will kill your fuel economy! What is it exactly your wanting to do by changing your tires?
It’s a bit faster and easier to talk in Instagram. I think I found you. Follow me @j_k_adventuring.
@@jklpino no ig. I drive 120mi highway 4 days of week. 62 is most efficient speed with the hub drive.
But my Jeep Bros want me to join uwharrie trips. And I'm confident in the vehicle doing it! But yes wanna have less revs and ability to hit trails :)
Thanks for your vids, loving them and subbed
nicholas abston glad you like my videos. I wanted to put out some info since there’s not much. But I’m just a regular guy. I’m a diesel mechanic and a former ford diesel master tech. So... but anyways, as far as what you want. It’s not gonna work the way you think. The larger tires will help off road. But you’ll loose about 2-3mpg on the highway. I just drive a little slower now to make up for it. If you want to keep your on road fuel economy then you need to look for some low rolling resistance tires and run high tire pressure. But off road, the tread design will really hurt you. Unfortunately you can’t have both of both worlds. The extra tire height will help a tiny bit maybe if you drive in rutted trails or snow pack. But street tires will really hinder you off road. I’d go for the A/T tire personally and just drive slower so you can still have some fun off road. But it’s all about what you really want. Your gonna have to sacrifice something somewhere.
@@jklpino true except one thing, the PHEV has a ton of torque. It's the rpms that kill.
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🤪🤙🏻
Hola. Buen video. Tengo una pregunta. Cuando afronas este tipo de caminos, lo haces con la palanca del cambio en posición "L" y el 4wd Look ? . Gracias.
Sí. Puse la transmisión en Baja. Y configure el modo de tracción total para que se bloquee.
@@jklpino muchas gracias.
Also I’m wondering if a 265/60r18 tire would fit on the outlander sport ?
Well. The simple answer is no. Besides being to tall. They are also to wide. Now if your also changing rims with different off sets or adding wheel spacers then you have more options. But the biggest you can go, that over personally seen in person is 245/70R16’s. That’s 29.5” tall and 9.6” wide. And they were super close to touching the spring on the struts. And on top of that there was slight rubbing when at full lock in reverse. And he had roughly a 2.5” lift on the front. So, with stock height you can easily fit without any rubbing What so ever 235/60R18’s that is 29.1” tall and 9.3” wide. But BE AWARE, when putting larger tires with stock ride height you take out some of the clearance for wheel travel. So if your loaded with people or cargo and hit hard bumps you may bottom out the rear suspension, not technically the rear suspension just the usually travel, the rear tires will hit the inner fender wells and make a horrible noise. But for the most part 98% of the time my vehicle never bottoms out. Only when fully loaded with people on big potholes or speed bumps. Hope this answers your questions. If you’d like more info contact me on Instagram @j_k_adventuring.
j_k_adventuring thanks for the info very helpful !!! I went with 235/60R18 Yokohama Geolander g015 and they fit perfectly! Without any issues!
good idea to use the right type of tires, your not only hurting the tires but you are hurting the car
Thanks for the info. I’ll be sure to not use my all terrain tires off road next time. And I’ll put a bandaid on my car.
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I see everyone discussing tires in the comments, so what's the maximum size that you can go between R16 and R18 without bottoming out or rubbing the inside under standard load, meaning 4 people in car?
Daumex it’d be easier for you to just read through the comments. It really depends on what you want and are willing to live with. You can go up to 29” tall tire no problem with rubbing. But when you hit bumps on the road when loaded with people or cargo. It’s likely the rear tires with touch the inner fender wells. 98% of the time my car has 4 people in it. Which 2 are very small kids. And we never rub. But with 4+ adults. That’s a different story. It depends on how bad your roads are and your driving style.
@@jklpino Thanks, i saw some of the last comments after writing my question. Since I'm looking to buy a 2013-2014 Outlander i was mostly curious what my choices are for the tires for everyday driving and some light offroading in the mountains. I'm not into posing around in gigantic rims, mostly wanted to know maximum sizes that are safe to put on.
Daumex 29’s no problem. Definitely better to go with the 16” rim option If you can. Definitely go for a GT with a regular automatic transmission if you can.
Daumex also... I can’t remember when the S-AWC started vs the regular AWC. but the regular AWC is shit compared to the S-AWC. So if you wanna do some light off roading then keep that in mind. Also be very careful about checking the transmission fluid conditions on a CVT transmission one if your buying used.
@@jklpino Welp, i'm in Europe, and auto gearboxes are frowned upon here, mostly because of expensive repairs when something goes wrong as there's not much on these CVT boxes that can be repaired in the first place. I'm eyeing a 2.0 MiVec with a manual for now.
The CVT kills this outlander to go off-road, if you want to go off-road you need the 6 speed in the V6 😅
Very true! I wish I could of afforded the GT model at the time I bought it. But at that time I had never even considered using this vehicle for any kind of “off/soft roading”. Now that I have, I don’t regret my purchase, it serves the purpose I purchased it for and then some. I just no that I would like to eventually get a more off road capable vehicle. I still plan to eventually slightly modify this one. But eventually I’ll get a more off road dedicated vehicle. My wife and kids really enjoy camping and being outdoors, so we will likely eventually get a full size truck to tow our camper trailer along with some off road fun.
I have the gt and I love it
Super.
You should deflate the tyres for such off road driving
Yes. It’s common practice to deflate the tires when driving off road. The amount you deflate more so depends on your tire and rim set up and the surface you are driving on. Since my vehicle has 18 inch rimes but 2 inch taller tires then factory, I can safely air down to 20psi in conditions like in this video. In sand I go down to 15psi. The pressure more depends on your specific tires, the weight in the vehicle, and the driving conditions. You just have to play with it and adjust for your situation.
Sand driving yes...however this kind of terrain you're looking for trouble.
Like the uploader has stated, this is the extreme end, however if you truly want to do offroading, invest in a more capable vehicle that has less risk of breaking on the tracks.
Yep. Not something I plan on doing again to this extreme. Sand driving it does descent, although more power would be a great help. But the trade off is the great gas mileage we get.
I want wider tires on my 2019 outlander sport can anyone tell me a good size to go with.
I have stock skinny tires
Raymond Dan you can go to 235’s without rubbing. Max of 255’s with some rubbing at full lock and when turning while going over bumps. Some minor trimming will resolve the problem tho for the most part.
Thank u so 235
I just hate the look of the skinny tires lol
Raymond Dan mind you, that is just one size wider then stock width. Hardly noticeable. 245’s might get you more noticeable width with only slight rubbing. But you will definitely notice a fuel economy loss. Even with slightly wider tires.
Hi, this is the V6 ir 2.4? CVT transmission?
2.4L 4 cylinder engine with a CVT transmission.
did you utilize the "lock" mode?
lvwrx yes.
@@jklpino did you notice if it made a big difference? I have a 2015 SE and was thinking about doing some minor trails and was really curious about the lock option. it worked great for getting out of snow
lvwrx the AWD system reacts so quickly. I don’t think the lock mode makes a huge different. It does help and I’m always in that mode when off roading. But I wouldn’t say it will make a huge difference if you get somewhat stuck. Lower tire pressure. Choosing a good line. And momentum are the most helpful things. But when off roading lock mode and traction turned off is your best bet! And lowering your tire pressures!
The driver needs to learn alot about off road driving
THE DRIVER REALLY NEEDS TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT OFF ROAD DRIVING
Hola, no golpea con esa medida de llantas? Tengo la misma
Carlos Miguel Acosta Sala Por favor, disculpe mi español. No es muy bueno, así que estoy usando google translator. No, no golpeo con estos neumáticos. Supongo que quieres decir, hacer que los neumáticos froten bien en el guardabarros interior. No, no lo hacen.
Please excuse my Spanish. It is not very good so I am using google translator. No I do not hit with these tires. I assume you mean, do the tires rub on the inner fender well. No they do not.
Muchas gracias, yo quiero ponerle llantas 235/60R18. Tengo la misma camioneta
Carlos Miguel Acosta Sala ¡Hazlo! ¡Es genial! La única parte mala que puedo decir es que el extremo trasero de vez en cuando abajo si lo tienes completamente cargado de carga o personas que van sobre grandes baches o baches.
Do it! It is great! The only bad part I can say is that the rear end will occasionally bottom out if you have it fully loaded with cargo or people going over big bumps or potholes.
@@jklpino cuando va mucha gente en la tercera fila o mucha carga, si golpea?
Muchas gracias!
Carlos Miguel Acosta Sala Sí. Exactamente!
You need better tires, this was painful to watch.
The hill is deceivingly steep. And the dirt/gravel was very loose. But there is not many options for tires in this tire and rim size. Plus this car spends most of its time on road. Obviously it’s not a dedicated off roader. There was a raptor and several Jeep’s in front of me that all spun there tires on this trail also. So it did pretty good for what it is.
To bad they went to an open front dif for the 2020's.
I have been trying to find anywhere that talks about the all wheel system for the 2020 outlander. But I can not find anything that says they changed the front diff’s for the 2020’s. Where did you find that info???
I do have a LE 2018, also looking for tires and lift kit, any suggestions?
Tema4x4 strut spacers and/or King Springs or H&R springs. For tires you can go up to 30in tall tires with slight rubbing with minor trimming needed. Or 29” tall tires with no rubbing or trimming even at stock height. You can go as wide as 255/55/18’s with slight rubbing and trimming needed. Or 235/xx/18’s with no rubbing even at stock height. The width makes a big difference in fitment also. Tires if your wanting A/T tires there is a few choices. If you want sever snow rated there is 2 or 1 choice depending on size you go with. Yokohama Geolander G015 or Firestone wildpeak.
If you would like to talk more. Contact me on Instagram. j_k_adventuring.
Also. If you read through some of the other comments that have talked about this with a few people.
j_k_adventuring I’m will take a look into those
Thanks
Just got this car and this vid made me uncomfortable driving off road
This vehicle is not truly meant to go “off roading”. This is to the extreme and not recommended for most people. In a pinch if you end up in a situation where you need to get somewhere and you need to go “off road”. You can cautiously do it. This video was not meant as a recommendation for anyone to do what I did. Only to showcase the max capability of this vehicle.
And the incline on this trail was much steeper then it looks on video. On mostly flat ground the AWD system does extremely well.
give it a 2 inch lift with more aggressive/bigger tires and you'll laugh at this video
Norcobikezz it has 2” larger A/T tires. And I have a 1.5” lift kit on the way. Unfortunately larger tires and a lift won’t really help to much with this vehicle because it has a CVT transmission and a not very low 1st gear crawl ratio, so adding larger tires will only decrease the crawl ratio and power I have available. A lift will help with ground clearance but it won’t help with much else. Just puts more stress on the CV joints. Unfortunately there is not much aftermarket support for this vehicle in America. Even over seas there’s only a limited amount of aftermarket mods you can do. I drove around on this trail for nearly 2 hours and still was able to drive home with my whole family and still achieve nearly 30mpg. For a “family hauler” at its price point, seating capacity, fuel economy, and capability, it’s a great vehicle! You won’t find another vehicle in its category, at its price point, that can do what this vehicle can do. Only thing close is the Subaru Forester and it’s not a 7 passenger. I’m going to do the 1.5” lift and some under body protection eventually. But it’s never gonna be able to do much more then what you saw in this video. For on road and off road performance I think this is best vehicle in its class for the price. I’m currently at 97,000 miles and I bought this vehicle brand new. And I haven’t had one single issue so far.
a demanding terrain,not appropriate For an SUV with low approach angle and not sufficient ground clearance.
Yes. You are correct. This vehicle was not designed for the terrain I am taking it on. However, it is somewhat capable of doing this terrain. That’s what makes it fun. The approach angles are not great. But that has not yet been a issue for me. The ground clearance is actually just fine. In America, “high clearance” is considered 8 inches of ground clearance or more. My vehicle stock has 8.6 inches of ground clearance, plus an additional 1 inch due to the 2 inch larger over all tire diameter. So 9.6 inches, a stock Jeep Wrangler, anything besides a rubicon addition is only 10 inches. So I’m only 0.4 inches less then that. The other problem is no low range. You just have to drive cautiously but you can still have fun. If you get to a point where you can’t go no more. Just turn around and go back. I’ve done it plenty of times. Only actually on this trail right here did I almost get stuck trying to turn around. But I get 30 miles per gallon and I can seat 7 people. And the other 98% of the time when I’m on paved roads it’s a great vehicle.
I am pretty much in a same situation!
I own the latest Suzuki Vitara( you don't have Suzuki in States). I do dare to follow paths certainly not designed for my vehicle.However the 4wd is amazing. I have 1.2 cm more ground clearance from A/ T tyres and put a skid plate underneath for protection. Have in mind for an extra lift of 2.5 cm in order to avoid " rock contacts" out in the field.Overall very satisfied with my car.Japanese do it well!
Cheers and keep on the offroad fun
да я здесь на своей 9-ке проезжал
Ты ехал сюда, на чём ты?
Driver is not experienced.
Bad off road driving.
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