Bloodborne Post-Mortem: Let's Talk About Bloodborne, with Aoife Wilson from Eurogamer
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- With the Bloodborne playthrough completed, Luke and Aoife talk about favourite boss fights, LEAST-favourite boss fights and what they loved (and didn't) about Bloodborne.
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Between Luke's God like soulsborne abilities and the community hive mind he just made his first play through look easy
Luke: "no, I didnt get most of them in one try"
also Luke: did 12 of them in one try out of 32 bosses, and did 11 in 2 tries
And then there was the Orphan... 😜
There are only 22 bosses in Bloodborne though. Cleric Beast (1), Gascoigne (2), Blood-starved Beast (3), Amelia (4), Shadows of Yharnam (5), Witches of Hemwick (6), Rom (7), One Reborn (8), Darkbeast Paarl (9), Celestial Emissary (10), Ebrietas (11), Amygdala (12), Micolash (13), Mergo's Wet Nurse (14), Gehrman (15), Moon Presence (16), Martyr Logarius (17), Ludwig (18), Living Failures (19), Maria (20), Laurence (21), and Orphan of Kos (22).
@@MarkHogan994 And the Chalice bosses? But yes, Luke didn't do them on-stream. Hope he will in the future.
@@MarkHogan994 Sorry, I was just using a list of the attempts it took him to beat a bunch of stuff from the comments of the final live stream upload. It may have included non-boss but difficult encounters on it.
I mean... he has alot of experience with dark souls.
The bosses in bloodborne for me are a hell cuz its my first soulsborne game
As someone who has ZERO interest in playing a game like this (I just don't have the patience) I loved watching this series. Thanks!!
ditto... I just don't have the patience to do things over and over that I had way back in the NES days. oi... flashbacks to Ninja Gaiden and Castlevania.
@Sweet Juicy Estus yeah, I beat Ninja Gaiden and Castlevania. When I was like 12. They're not impossible. And I've beat plenty of "difficult" modern games and on "hard modes" and such. So no need to be condescending. And I've tried a few DS games. "Klunky" is the first word I think of. The controls are so stiff. Not being able to swing your sword if you're next to a wall. Falling off edges because your attacks make you go forward is as bad as being knocked back off ledges. That ridiculous stamina bar. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Again, it's not about not being able to beat parts, it's about knowing you're probably gonna have to do certain parts 5,10, 20 times to beat them along with possibly a long run back to it that may take 10-15 minutes or longer each time and just not having the patience to do so.
@Sweet Juicy Estus holy crap tldr. Souls fans are the absolute worst...
@Sweet Juicy Estus oh my fucking gods... The absolute WOOOORRRST.
Guess what dude? Not everybody is gonna like the same things. Some people are going to hate things you like. Because that's how shit works. Nothing is going to change their minds. So you can lose the superiority complex you guys so commonly have (and sometimes probably don't even realize you're doing it) and accept that some people actually just don't like DS games and it has nothing to do with being too hard or needing something to "click" or whatever else. Nothing is gonna change giving them a "fair chance" whatever that means. You're not providing any "insight" and nobody was asking for any anyway.
You sound like a religious nut trying to convert people.
Aoife: Maria’s not that flashy
Maria: *splits a dual blade, stabs herself through the chest, levitates and summons blood and fire*
Aoife's exasperated annoyance at Luke one shotting Rom is every Bloodborne player's mood.
The way he avoided mentioning that he one-shot Logarius around 25:00 was Maximum British. He even got Posh in the accent, for a second.
Honestly, as a person who literally only played bloodborne because Luke did. Comparing my first play through, to Luke's play through. He one shot such hard bosses. But died several times to very easy fights. He died at celestial emissary twice. But one shot Maria. He died over 10 times to Ebrietas but one shot shadows. It was fun to see what I one shot where he died and where he one shot and I died.
Rom took me hours, Shadows of Yharnam...first try. I beat Ludwig first go, Living Failures...almost an hour. Different strokes for different folks.
The fact that Luke also thinks that 5 goes to kill Chalice Dungeon Rom (in that tiny room!) mean he "totally kicked my butt" is so annoying... (love you really, Luke)
Both Rom fights were my least favourite/most frustrating of the entire game, and I must have spent 3h on Chalice Rom. 5 DEATHS IS NOT A BUTT-KICKING, WESTAWAY.
I decided to re-watch the entire stream series, so I could figure out how many attempts Luke took to kill each boss, here's the results:
Cleric Beast: 3
Father Gascoigne: 4
Blood Starved Beast: 1
Vicar Amelia: 3
Witches of Hemwick: 2
Shadows of Yharnam: 1
Darkbeast Paarl: 2
Martyr Logarius: 1
Rom the Vacuous Spider: 1
Amygdala: 5
One Reborn: 2
Celestial Emissary: 2
Ebrietas: 15 on stream attempts, beaten by let's play Luke after 20 minutes
Micolash: 1
Ludwig: 3
Living Failures: 1
Lady Maria: 1
Orphan of Kos: 7 on stream attempts, 15 off stream attempts shown before it become a montage that I couldn't keep track of
Laurence: 2
Murgo's Wet Nurse: 1
Gehrman: 2
Moon Presence: 2
Edit: I didn't include the hunter enemies because a lot of them didn't have names and that made it difficult to keep track of, also in the dlc there are hunter enemies that *do* respawn and it fiddly to keep track of. Maybe I'll track the number of times it took to kill the hunter enemies next re-watch.
Thats really a good record.
My first few bosses go like
Cleric beast : 5 tries
Father gascoigne: 23 tries.... don't say anything...
Vicar Amelia: 7 tries.
Bloodstarved beast 13 tries.
Witches of hemwick: 1st try
Shadows of yarnham: 2 tries.
Rom: 6 tries
Amygdala: i don't remember. Somewhere around 5 tries
(Havent made it much further then that as of this day
Aiofe: The music in these games is always so intense.
Luke: BWAAWAAWAAWOOWAAWAAWAA
Luke! My dude! You inspired me to take another swing at Bloodborne with this series, and today I just got the Platinum trophy! Couldn't have done it without you mate!
aw man, I really enjoyed this playthrough and it got me hooked on bloodborne, which has been a great distraction from 2020, so thank you for that. Maria is my favorite fight, great music, animation and overall fighting style. Hardest for me was orphan of kos and bloodstarved beast (killed it first try on my first game, died A LOT on ng+, hated every minute of it), micolash worst boss without question. Can't wait to see what's next :)
I hope bloodborne for pc and bloodborne 2 for ps5
My favorite is Ludwig, not necessarily for gameplay, but story and cinematography as you have his backstory tied to the lore while the boss fight itself contains a story of its own; having the fallen hero regain his humanity for one last battle. Plus, the music is incredible! I still have it on my playlist and even learned how to play it on tuba & bass.
Never been interested in playing these games myself, but Aoife finally let me understand why people suffer these games:
From Software uses the same psychological event that makes it possible for all of us younger siblings.
Wouldn’t call it suffering lol, Fromsoft’s games are fun.
@@WhiteInk47 Some of the specific enemies though are not widely considered fun. The brain suckers that take your insight, and the snatchers, for two easy examples. The jumping and platforming mechanics are also quite bad, among other complaints. I do mostly enjoy their games, but it's definitely despite some parts. =]
Anyone who’s interested about the Fishing Hamlet should absolutely read either or both of The Shadow Over Innsmouth or Dagon by Lovecraft you’ll understand the parallels afterwards :)
Ah, now that you mention it, there are some noted parallels between the Fishing Hamlet and Dagon. It's been a while since I've read some Lovecraft, so I need to go back and re-read both to better see the connection.
There's an app called Cthuloid, massive collection of Lovecraft in ebook formats
What is especially interesting is how, on a thematic level, they are actually polar opposites.
Yessss I reread not that long ago and Maria’s patients remind me of the bloke from Dagon so much it’s amazing
I haven't read them, but I have watched a video on the channel Mythology and Fiction Explained that goes into depth about Dagon and the Deep Ones, so I seen the parallels myself. The Fishmen are a lot like the Deep Ones of Innsmouth.
I find it quite fascinating that 2 hours talk about a game/franchise that I've never played (and probably never will) is so interesting and fascinating to me...thanks a ton, had much fun watching this!
I was hoping when Luke mentioned a post-mortem that Aoife would join, what a treat. \o/
cool to see this chat about the game and relive the memories of Luke's journey though the game
Feel like in a weird way Luke missed out a little by just being so damn good at the game. Like saying the Logarius fight wasn't particularly memorable for him after beating it on his first try. Not sure if this is true for other people but some of my favourite fights in these games are ones I struggled with. When you've had to re-try a boss fight a few (or a lot of) times you really get to know the intricacies of the fight, understand the mechanics of it and appreciate the design, setting and music more.
Logarius and Maria kicked my ass but those fights are etched in my memory now.
I had the same thing with the Twin Princes and Nameless King in DS3
Logarius i still havent beaten. I hate that boss.
But Luke has alot of dark souls experience tho. You cannot compare that with someone like me who never played a fromsoft game before
I’d highly recommend watching GMTK’s videos about easy mode. I would take an unbalanced easy mode on this game any day. I have physical disabilities that make super precise movements of my hands very difficult, and I didn’t play a single video game until my twenties so my skill level will never be as high as a gamer who started young and has normal hands. Not to mention the completely horrific gatekeeping in the culture surrounding the game, perpetrated by the fans of these games. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been told games “aren’t for people like me” and suggesting that my asking for completely optional accessibility I am ruining the game for everyone. My hard is not the same as your hard. There is no way for me to get the intended experience of this game as is. There are so many simple ways to offer difficulty options that don’t ruin the experience. If the myriad of indie games that nail “easy” or “assist” modes without sacrificing the vision can do so on a shoestring budget, a massive fromsoft game can certainly do it.
GMTK's videos on that topic really opened my eyes to how important accessibility is in video games. I hope that you continue to find games that you can play and enjoy to the fullest.
I'm not too bad off, but I have minor dyspraxia and little hands on experience with videogames plus I just don't deal well with frustration
Would absolutely love to play these games- see the environments, encounter the monsters, try the techniques
But what's hard for some people is Impossible for others so I'm just gonna have to settle for watching playthroughs
This is why I ADORE Nintendo Switch. I am legally blind so games like Bloodborne push my ability to process and see what's going on. I can do it, but the aftermath is taxing.
It's more games like Monster Hunter or more classical JRPGs where the text is so small and that actually made the games until World unplayable because I couldn't tell what was going on. The Switch has built in magnification on the console so now that greatest roadblock is gone. It pains me that they are the only console to do so. The others have text to speech which... JRPGs like making words up, it makes things aggravating. Also menus so yeah, Nintendo Switch is great in helping those who need alternatives out.
@@nathanabel8169 for my types of issues, PlayStation is best. Nintendo is actually almost unusable for me, because the games rarely have good accessibility features and the controls are so delicate. They have so many built in options to make things easier for those of us with odd hands, and I think their exclusive games are some of the best in the industry for accessibility options. They really seem to prioritize that (unless they are made in Japan). I also know someone who uses Xbox because they have a lot of peripherals that can really help those with more dramatic issues than mine. I do wish this stuff would be standardized so all these options were on all consoles.
That I can respect and agree with. It is nice to know the other systems account for other areas but yeah it would be great if these things were universal. And I know PC can't pull a master race on this because those games are prone to crash or conflict with assistive technologies. Experience has taught me that.
Luke, reflecting on the Cleric Beast: 'I like the design, but I have to say I didn't especially love the boss fight'
Luke, while fighting the Cleric Beast: 'LONG HAVE I SEARCHED FOR AN ADVERSARY OF YOUR CALIBRE!!'
I needed a summon to get past Shadows of Yarnham. They were the worst for me.
Though we all know the toughest boss in Bloodborne is the camera
I had no issues with them. Only died 1 time.
I get you. It's just that there's three of them and one of you. They can really pile onto you if you are not kiting them perfectly.
I had the exact same experience with Sekiro as Aoife! I gave up at Genichiro, and came back to it months later where it clicked for me. 😁
It was pretty similar for me too! I was so bad at the game that it took me about 25hrs to reach and beat Gyoubu Oniwa, then went into the Hirata Estate memory and just gave up at Lady Butterfly - she crushed me and broke my spirit like I have never experienced in a game before. Didn’t play it for about 6 months, randomly decided to start it again, and somehow had an epiphany moment when going through the tutorial area at the beginning. Blitzed through the rest of it in a couple of days, and loved every second. It’s that ability to simultaneously crush you and make you feel like a complete genius, that makes From Software games just the best
The thing Aoife was saying 43:50 reminded me about Dara O'Briain's joke about why the one media format he'll consume new products for is video games.
As much as I love all your content, I really miss Show of the Weekend. I know why you're not doing it right now, but I genuinely miss it.
Same. I miss the intro song.
I know that Mike said on his Mortal Shells stream that Show of The Week may not come back, but I'd definitely love Show of The Weekend to come back, even more so if SOTW doesn't. I understand it's likely gonna be a loooong time til it's a decision that gets made, but we can dream.
Seconded
Gamer Network are really missing an opportunity not having a Podcast channel. I could watch anyone from OX, Eurogamer, OXtra, RPS and Dicebreaker talk about TT/games *or anything really for hours
Yay, I love Aoife!
I'm glad I didn't know the cheese for demon of hatred as I was playing it at launch, I banged my head on that wall so hard I probably would have caved had I have found about it!
What is the cheese for the demon of hatred? Asking for a friend
@@hw7522 iirc there's a way to get him to fall off the map. look up demon of hatred glitch
The cheese is actually quite hard to pull off to be fair. As for the actual fight... I treated it like a DS boss. Lots of failed attempts learning each stage and then just beasting it the one time every thing just clicked
I think sword Saint isshin hands down is the hardest boss of the series for me. He was infuriating
I remember the first time he goes gangster in that fight and my reaction. Like all of a sudden, you're fighting a bloodborne boss as Sekiro.
Thanks to Luke, i want to play "Bloodborne" so much...
PS: I want oxbox pin or r-shirt with "already dead", "beware of bird" or just "use bolt paper" on it XD
Now I want to play a Bloodborne dnd campaign
Not a dnd campaign, but there is a cooperative Bloodborne card game and it's well received
Ludwig was a really interesting boss for me. I found his second phase incredibly easy. I died to his first phase over a dozen times only to take him out first time I got to the second.
I agree with pretty much everything you guys said.
About Sekiro's "easy mode", there's actually not one but two ways of increasing the difficulty after your first playthrough.
The first, as Luke mentioned, is the demon bell, which you can find past the first headless demon in the early game area (there's a ninja door that leads you to it).
The second is slightly more hidden.
Pretty much nobody realized it but when you play the game for the first time, you have an item in your inventory called "Kuro's charm". This item has been secretly given to you by Kuro to protect you from harm (I mean...too much harm I guess).
It is impossible to do anything with this item the first time around, it's just in your inventory for the entire run, however, when you restart a NG or a NG+ after you finished the game once, Kuro's dialogue, the first time you find him, will be a little bit different and you will be offered to either give him this charm back or keep it for yourself.
If you choose to give it back, you'll be no longer protected by it, which translates by taking cheap damage everytime you block an attack normally (so, you're basically forced to deflect almost everything).
It's not a bad feature but to be fair, I found the bell making the game a lot harder since deflecting the vast majority of attacks is pretty much what you're gonna do after finishing the game once anyway. Ringing the demon bell makes enemies a LOT harder, unless you're ringing it on NG+ (oddly, the bell has a much, MUCH smaller effect on a NG+ than on a NG, so, if you want to experience the hardest form of Sekiro, NG with Demon bell rung and no Kuro's charm is the way to go).
About Bloodborne, you can definitely skip the final boss fight against Gehrman if you choose to wake up and yes, it counts as the bad ending.
Now, to be fair, I found it easy to see coming since the game kinda present things as "do you want to let things evolve the way they are currently going (which is not very good at all) or do you want to intervene".
It was actually the first ending I picked, knowing it would probably skip the boss.
the reason I did that was, I loved Bloodborne so much that I knew I was going to replay it (in fact, I had another run on the way when I finished it the first time) and I wanted to keep the surprise of the final boss fresh. Also, I knew I was going to love this boss so, I wanted to be done with the ending that involved not fighting him immediately, so I've seen it and get to the fun stuffs for any furture runs.
Bloodborne has one of the best soundtracks of any game ever. I actually go into the setting and turn the sound effects volume down to about 5-6 but keep the music at 10 so you can really hear it during those boss fights. Queen of Vilebloods and Living Failures are two of favorite tracks.
I've purposefully kept myself blind about all bloodborne content because I've never had access to a PS4 to play it, but as soon as I saw Luke was going to play it, I had to watch! So these videos will be the only advice and knowledge I will ever have of the game until I complete it myself... Hopefully it'll make it's way to PC sometime, or I find a PS4 lying on the street somewhere...
The videos on the Playlist are out of order after the 8th one. hope you see this.
Awesome commentary Luke and Aoife 👍 thanks for your time. 🍺
Interesting thing: I just started Dark Souls (first one) PC version few days ago. I bought the game long time ago, but didn't really finished even first boss. PC controls were not really good. I do not really play this kind of games, RPG and grand strategies are more on my play list.
But because of Luke's game play, I searched unofficial patch for DS, and started play it. I'm still quite beginning in the game. Third boss is next - reached the smith. But one thing is, that I do not stress DS so much (as Luke and Aoife says in this video 1h 25min or so...), and reason is that I saw whole Luke's series of Bloodborne, and learned much from him. Most important is be patient. Defence first. Keep your head cool. If you do, you succeed much more. One point I started feel frustrated, and I started get all the time killed by weakest enemies in familiar area. So much, that I did not succeeded to do even any grinding - losing often all souls. Taking pause, doing something else, and coming back later fixed the problem.
So, I think your "mood" or "attitude" is most important to win or lose in Bloodborne/Dark Souls. If I would not have seen Luke's playing, and how he succeeded, I would struggle so much harder.
So far I played for same point (before third boss) with two different starts. Cleric start with str-based weapons, and wanderer start, with dex-based weapons. I wanted try, which kind I like more. Which feels better for me. I feel that with mace I kill faster non-boss enemies, but I feel better with scimitar. I'm more relaxed with it. Relearning timing for hit is bit hard between switching characters. What is perfect timing for mace is bit too late for scimitar.
I want thank Luke for nice series of Bloodborne!
PS. So far I didn't really learn use shield in Dark Souls... Or maybe so far I learned much better to use weapons with 2 hands. For parrying I have bad timing with shields, but with dagger I'm good parrying. Maybe learn later...
Can someone just make a compilation of Luke defeating bosses in one or two attempts?
Amazing. This is why I love you two. Cheers 🍻🥂
The thing about balance and easy modes, easy modes don't have to be hard. Like you said, a "good hard mode" is you turn those dials _just so,_ such that it's hard but not impossible. Fair enough. To make that "easier" though, you only need to turn those dials back a bit. Give players more fails before it ends the encounter, make some parry windows a bit longer, etc. The people who want an easy mode will not be so demanding that it be "perfectly in balance," the devs do not need to agonize over whether easy mode is "balanced," the balance is around the hard mode, the easy mode is just something you can casually coast through, and that's ok.
Yes.
I always wondered if I found Sekiro a bit easier because I played the kingdom hearts games growing up and some of those boss fights can rely on similar fundamentals.
the bossfights in the KH series are sorely underappreciated by the gaming community - the combat system in those games is just a delight, at any age.
If your interested in bloodborne lore, i'd heartilly recommend vaati vidya's channel
Aegon of Astora is better if you want to do a really deep dive.
I enjoyed the Bloodborne playthrough (as it's definitely not a game that I would play myself), but I'm hoping that Luke's next game to stream is a happier one. Less gothic horror, more sunshine and Wind Waker, perhaps? 😜
Same here. I don't like games like this. Just dark and gloomy dungeon crawling, no cool towns, quests or npcs.
But watching luke play was fun.
Same with mastermode baby, I tried BOTW and got bored with it and dont think it's that good. But watching luke play was enjoyable.
@@travisrolison9646 rough.
@@nataliealphonse4634 ? All i am saying is not my type of game, but I enjoy watching luke play it and BOTW.
It was a compliment on luke being intertwining enough that i enjoy his streams even when the game has no interest for me
@@travisrolison9646 That's fair. Even aesthetically, Fromsoft games can be an acquired taste. Just goes to show how good Luke is at streaming games, I guess.
@@jothamfunclara5135 i think he has that child like wonder and excitement that is infectious and spreads to the viewer.
Plus he has some funny commentary .
Sekiro combat, at it's most basic level, is a rhythm game. Once that clicks, it all becomes pretty satisfying.
I really love the fromsoft games (haven't played bloodborne or demon souls) and they are really as hard as you make them. I like that most of the items are entirely optional and I did not use them for the most part until I started soul level 1 runs of dark souls 1-3. Often times the play style that you use makes it seem you are playing an entirely different game from other people, which can encourage people, like myself, to repeatedly play the games trying different play styles. Started the series with darks souls 3 did not look into it at all in advance and ended up trying a pure magic build (which I later learned circumvents most of the core mechanics and did not really learn to "properly" fight most of the bosses until later play throughs). I enjoyed this discussion and always find it interesting to hear what people think of these games (many people have that love hate relationship with the games).
I have absolutely zero skill when it comes to Bloodborne, (spent 5 hours grinding away at it and didn't even get to the first boss) or any soulsborne game to be honest (the one I seemed to do best with was Sekiro, weirdly) but I love the look of Bloodborne. And, based on the let's plays of Bloodborne that I've seen (Johnny and Aoife, Ben on Vidiots (I think it was Vidiots at least, was possibly triple jump)), it's safe to say that Luke absolutely smashed it. Gehrman in two tries! He seems almost supernaturally skilled at it. It's incredibly satisfying to watch.
I am not a good enough at games to play a From Soft game. I will very likely never be. So I don't buy them, but I very much enjoy watching playthroughs and streams. It allows me to enjoy the art, story, and other elements of design. I don't mind this arrangement.
The puzzle with Micolash is finding out how to stop him getting to that room. :-D
As a WoW player the raids, I am used to seeing first phases of boss fights multiple times before seeing the second or third phase if there is one.
My first time fighting Rom I made things much more complicated for myself by being over leveled, which meant that I got her down to half health in the first stage so she had double the number of babies and a bunch of attacks that where coming much faster than I they would have otherwise.
I have abandoned Sekiro 3 times. Once at the first Genichiro fight. Once at the iron code Owl fight and canonically my Sekiro cannot beat Sword Saint Isshin I just cannot for the life of me manage that fight. Hopefully the update will help me with that
Oh man, speaking of birth horror, Luke didn't even see the bit with Ariana's baby!
I think how the devs used the actual music to give a more intense difficulty. Like in most boss fights in dark souls, bosses attack on beat and you kinda get trained subconsciously to expect it. Then you fight the dancer and tons of people had a hard time because it attacks on the off beat and it throws you off track super hard and you never even know it
If keen on seeing that mechanic taken to its logical extreme, there's a REALLY awesome indie game called Crypt of the Necrodancer wherein EVERYTHING is set to the beat of the OST - movement, attacking, enemies telegraphing attacks, etc. It's a rogue-like rhythm action game reminiscent of arcade games but without a punishing vibe for tilting.
(AND the soundtrack is just really fun to bop along to)
ah I think I remember hearing about that. I'll have to check it out once I've ticked sekiro off my list
As an aside regarding Sekiro bosses we find hard, Luke, the Sakura bull confounds me to this day after platinuming the game and playing through without the Kuro charm.
Can we have one of these with Luke and Ellen discussing Dark Souls, with special guest Aiofe? This was such a joy to watch and listen to.
I actually added this up some time ago. Luke one-shotted 8 of the bosses in this game. 8 other bosses he killed in the second attempt. There are only 2 bosses that gave him significant trouble, Ebrietas, and the orphan of Kos. all the other bosses took him around 3-6 tries to kill.
He forgot one. One you have to, admittedly, go out of your way to find. But he forgot the woman who literally fights you with her c section.
Did anyone else struggle with Moonlight Butterfly from DS1: the wave magic always clipped be on a dodge, the cubic spikes were impossible to dodge and I wasn't dealing any damage with the weapon I used.
Note: Easy bosses- can still kick buttoxes!
From should just have NPCs use special items to show you their value. For instance, how an invader uses Chameleon in Dark Souls 2 to backstab you when you open a chest.
FromSoft gives me the Stockholm Syndrome lol.
Once ive platinumed Bloodborne i reckon i’ll bash out sekiro 😊😊
Edit 1:34:22 tag for unexpected catto!!
Just platinumed Bloodborne myself. Don't give up!
@@petin13naahl that plat got got in mid september man. Good to hear you managed to snag it too
I like how's it's not talking about Bloodborne, but instead talking about Bloodborne AND Sekiro
by the end i didnt want Orphan or Ludwig to die - so much fun fighting them.
One thing I think would have been nice in these games is if they had a transmogrification system similar to Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, where you can make your armor look like any piece of armor for that slot that you have gotten. Bloodborne isn't so bad since the gear isn't as important as in the Dark Souls series or Demon's Souls. But I think for like the remaster of Dark Souls, and the remake of Demon's Souls a transmog system for the gear would have been a good idea to have added. This would also make it so you could level a weapon you like the stats of but you could make it look like a different weapon of that same type that you prefer the look of, as well do the same with armor you are using.
It would be great to see Aoife and/or Luke fight Queen Yharnam and the other 'Dungeon exclusive' bosses, but that would require them playing through all the dungeons, and I'm not sure I'd wish that on them.
I'd love a FromSoft gamer expert to list out the gate keeper bosses of each game. I've only ever beaten Sekiro (I'm getting close with Bloodborne) and I agree that Lady Butterfly and Genichiro are the big gate keeper fights, where the game just stands in front of you and says "Learn to play, dumbass." Or is Dark Souls so versatile in your options that there aren't really big tentpole gatekeepers in terms of "learn to play"? (Note i don't just mean HARD bosses, btw. Educationally hard.)
Ds1 has Ornstien and Smough as its gatekeeper boss, you have to crowd control using the pillars and they have pretty large health pools while being capable of killing you in one hit, even with highly upgraded health.
Bloodborne’s gatekeeper boss tends to be Gascoigne as he forces the player to be fast and aggressive, but Vicar Amelia can also be a gatekeeper as she deals high damage if you haven’t upgraded your weapon and she has a lot of health while being able to heal.
Ds3’s early gatekeeping fight is usually the Abyss Watchers as there’s 2 aggressive watchers fighting you and it has a second phase with another health pool, while Ds3’s mid game gatekeeping fight is Pontiff Sullyvahn. He’s aggressive, has very short and hard to predict windups, and deals physical dmg, fire dmg, and magic dmg.
Cant speak for Ds2 as I haven’t played much of it.
I'd say definitely Ornstein and Smough for DS1, as you can't beat them without learning good spatial awareness: pillars, 2 bosses, wildly different fighting styles, go figure.
For DS3, Darkeater Midir (idk, man, I think this guy's just unfair), Sister Friede (you'll have to play like you're in Bloodborne for a sec), or if you prefer base game only, Aldritch (spatial awareness, stamina management, not to mention what is most likely the most lackey-concentrated area in the game right before the boss area).
I too, have never played DS2.
@@dane1317 The damn Abyss Watchers made me fall in love with the pyro class, as its the only build where I'm not spooked by the second phase.
For DS3 aside from DLC id say the Dancer is probably the big gatekeeping fight. As the others have mentioned Ornstien and Smough for DS1 and DS2 probably the Demon of Song atleast for me personally. Didnt play much of Bloodborne
I can’t speak for Bloodborne as my poor decision to get a Xbox One means that I’ve never played it, but I totally agree with everyone here that Ornstein and Smough is the gatekeeper boss fight of DS1, as well as The Abyss Watchers for DS3. DS2 is a kinda tricky one because there are just so many bosses that it is hard to nail down which is the first real gatekeeper. I personally really struggled with the Ruin Sentinels because they required you to nail everything you’d learned so far, with the added curveball of there being three of them. Like someone else mentioned, the Demon of Song is another big one - gaining/closing distance, stamina management and timing, are all really important
My favourite enemy isn't actually a boss, it's the Crow of Cainhurst
You masochist. That fight is truely unfair and an evil decision by FromSoft
The only from software game I tried was Dark souls 3 and The First Boss kicked my ass so hard I never touched it again- watching Luke play (and discuss) is still very interesting and entertaining tho
Honestly aside from the DLC if you ever revisit DS3 if you can beat that first Gundyr fight and then beat the Vordt fight. You can absolutely beat the whole game. I do hope you revisit it some day and I wish you luck should you choose to do so
Samuel Santos thanks for the advice- maybe I’ll pick it up again... I was so fascinated with the world the first time around
I think maybe the pain is worth it :)
@@skiddadleskidoodle4094 it really is a beautifull world with a story thats worth figuring out. It is a shame that there is a learning curve to it. But also if you are still struggling with any fights but have online connectivity the community is actually usually very helpful in terms of summoning to help with fights.. Certain sections have complete trolls but the majority of players will really help you get through the game. And there also what Luke and Aiofe mentioned and what most of us will tell you. There will be a moment where it all just clicks for you. Goodluck though either way
Samuel Santos
I was a little hesitant about getting into the community because as I think everybody knows the trolls are pretty much everywhere and there is a lot of gate keeping. Seeing Luke play these games tho and being supported by the community that much is really nice.
I also didn’t expect someone taking the time to reply so helpfully and genuinely so Thank you for your kind words :)
@@skiddadleskidoodle4094 nah dont stress it. Theres more of us in the community than there are of them I can promise you that... and honestly in the DS series as a whole the trolls are mostly present at meta levels that wont allow them to really bug you unless youre at the same level (I think in DS3 its about SL 70 and then again at about 200SL and beyond) and usually only present in about 3 areas in DS3 at least. Almost everyone else is there to help because it really just is a case where we understand that these games can get very difficult. i mean even as a veteran in the series. The first time I played DS3 I got brickwalled by The Dancer of The Boreal Valley and had to summon for help to beat her as well as The Final Boss and the help I received in those fights genuinely made me feel inclined to help others with them because even I (not saying im excellent at the games) got stuck so newcomers likely would as well and that is the essence of the community..understanding that we are all trying to enjoy the beautiull games that FromSoft have created. Watching Luke play Bloodborne is a decent example of the community. A few people telling you what youre doing wrong, a few more trying to troll but mostly people that just wanna give you that slight push in the right direction to help you get through and experience what so few of us get to do.
Man I am currently slogging my way through the nightmare of mensis and oh boy I never thought I could love and hate a game so much at the same time.
I KNOW RIGHT!!
But honestly... castle cainhurst is soooooo much worse lol... stupid ghost ladies... i never asked to be tagged and ganged upon D:
"Slogging my way through the nightmare of mensis" is a very colorful euphemism for a very common experience.
The fun of replaying Bloodborne isn't the higher difficulty. It's trying out all of the fun unique weapons builds. ALSO! Items are fantastic if you spec into ARCANE. Anything that seemed useless in your experience was purely due to the stats you take.
I hope Luke play's Hollow Knight and or Monster Hunter World
Oh yeah if you guys want some good lore analysis, check out the paleblood hunt by redgrave, it's amazing read imo
This was my first from software game i finished n im not bragging but i finished every boss in 1 go besides the blood starved beast it took me 10ish attempts and i think getting stuck on him for so long light a rage in my mind to steam roll every othier boss in the game
I've just gotten used to going "It do be like that" when I die a stupid death in a Fromsoft game. If the death was because of a missed timing or an overcommit however, it becomes a "Fair enough, gg".
Probably one of the few games where I don't mind losing over and over. Likely because you know you can win eventually. Just gotta lose a bit less with each run.
No new game plus? But platinum is just around the corner. If you beat it once you're already almost there.
The defiled chalice tho
I haven't played Sekiro, but if the candy basically creates a summon, then a way to fix that would be to not have the candy be depleted from your inventory until you've defeated the boss with it active. That way, its "semi-finite" (ie: you will lose it once you've used it on a successful boss run, but you won't really waste it per say unless you used it on an easy boss and then don't have it available for an even harder boss).
Every time I listen to discussions about FromSoftware games, the various challenges players have faced, and how ridiculously hard they usually are, I end up sheepishly thinking about how the only game of theirs I've played...is the one without any combat at all. (That said, Déraciné is gorgeous, and well worth a spin if you have a PSVR.)
But how about BOLT PAPER?
What if they changed items so that you have to find/unlock them, but then once you do you get them as a replenishing resource like your healing items?
Dude, Dark Souls 1 is horrifying. The ghosts in New Londo, though. That game just does such a good job at creating a horrific atmosphere. Especially since your character is in so much danger.
I'm realising now that the Shadows of Yharnam get demoted to regular enemy at the last bit of Mergo's loft. Idk if they are the same and you are suposed to be so much tronger that it is not a problem anymore or if they are weaker versions of the boss
Time for Dark Souls 3 now, Luke!
It took me 5 years from my first Bloodborne trophy to the platinum and it was worth every rage quit 😅 easily my favourite game of the generation
BB2 must happen. The game is too good to NOT get a sequel or prequel
Ludwig is the best boss in not just Bloodborne, but the entirety of the Souls Saga. The buildup, the setting, the first phase all leading into that Incredible second phase and that music in phase two is one of, if not, the best recorded pieces of music in video game history. I only got into the series last year but i can happily say that Bloodborne is in my top 10 video games of all time, its right up there with the Witcher 3, and its a fucking Lovecraftian masterpiece it did what Call of Cthulhu and The Sinking City failed to do.
The trick I think for making the Soulsborne games more accessible is increasing the player stats rather than decreasing enemy stats.
But soulsborne games already have level up features....
I was mainly curious how to say Aoife.
Ee-fa according to her Twitter.
1:10 Originally instead of the Shadows of Yharnam the boss there was supposed to be a giant snake.
Luke playing this didn't make me want to replay this game, but this discussion did. Thanks guys!
i died more to Living Failures than i did to Maria. no idea why.
Already Mortem
Hi Aoife! Haven't seen you since I marathoned your Alien: Isolation play-through. Glad to see you over here in the OxBoxTra universe. :)
I didn’t know Aoife was on eurgamer. I remember her from video game nation. I like the funny one.
Gotta do a nioh run now bro
I'm massively late to this, but what is the music playing at the start and end of the stream? It absolutely slaps!
I'm massively late replying to this, but it's called Murder Mystery by Sir Cubworth
@@mischa7406 thank you you utter legend!
Wonderful commentary, very thoughtful discussion, golf claps all around comrades...
However...One small question that keeps niggling at the back of my mind is:
EDIT: nvm, she was referring to herself and Johnny. Now I feel quite silly.
Dark Souls 3 next Luke. You can do IT!
Luke, I don't know if it's for you but the NG+ without Kuros charm version of Sekiro is an amazing example of differcult. It's true that enemy health and damage is pumped up but since you have all the gourd/beads and experience from your first playthrough, that won't be a problem for a while. The real increase in differculty is the reduction of posture and how you can take damage from blocking so you need to parry perfectly. Mastering that mode is one of the best feelings I've had in a video game.
Ps I tried NG (not plus) without the charm and it is insanely differcult. I thought I was good after beating the game charmless but that run is hell.
Oh yeah luke, you still got a few unique chalices bosses to kill should you want it.
I keep being distracted from bloodborne talk by the arcanumesque background music. Very different esthetic.
After watching Luke stream Bloodborne I finally got around to trying it myself on my sisters PS4. Some of Luke's magic must have rubbed off on me because I beat Gascoine first time (Cleric beast took me a few tries).
These games are all a test of one's patience
I really enjoyed these streams and I know I'm going to revisit them, especially some of the boss fights and tougher areas. I do wish they'd discussed the estus flask/healing gourd system versus the blood vial system. Perhaps I'm the odd one out, but I really hate the estus/gourd system of Dark Souls and Sekiro. Maybe it's because I'm used to using healing potions as I go and not really thinking about it. I get that the whole point with the Souls games is to be cautious and to pick your fights and how you handle them, and that Bloodborne is meant to encourage you to be aggressive and to just keep going in for attacks and not backing off. You also can't rest at the lamps like you can at the bonfires. I just like that I can go farm some echoes and buy some or go to certain recurring enemies to get the larger than usual number they drop. That aspect is something I'm really going to enjoy when I finally get to Bloodborne.
I just really don't like the estus flask use limits despite being able to refresh it at a bonfire. I really want to like Sekiro, but one healing gourd use until you defeat that one general early in the game is just wrecking me. No, I have not been able to "git gud" at Sekiro. Normal enemies and wolves are easy. Anything requiring more than one death blow? Way more difficult compared to the other enemies, and not in a way that seems balanced/leveled in comparison. Easy, very difficult, and nope seem to be categories of enemies in Sekiro; ranging from common enemies to ones like the generals to the actual bosses. Yeah, you don't have to go retrieve the souls/echoes you dropped when you died, but you lose sen and xp each time and spread that dragon rot disease all over the place, making you have to go cure that to progress any of the other quests. I do like not having a shield though, so there's that.
I agree, at least with regards to DS1. Although there's this weird, inexplicable (at least to me) mechanic in ds3 where you sometimes replenish estus after killing certain non-player enemies. Being the soul-farming hoarder that I am, it's usually back to full by the time I get to the next boss, or at least I make it so it is.
@@jothamfunclara5135 I got a bit frustrated with DS1. I got up to the upper level where the dragon/wyvern flies by and quickly got killed by some bow using undead dudes. I then got rather stuck with getting killed repeatedly on the stairs back up there. I'm also playing the Prepare to Die edition and I know the game has some issues with fps in Blighttown. I switched to DS3 and while I'm enjoying it so far, I'm also having motivation issues since my brain really wants to be playing Bloodborne instead, and that's not happening till I get the PS5 (might as well shell out for a new console entirely and get access to both PS4 and PS5 games).
I definitely won't be encountering a boss without having renewed by estus flask. DS3 seems, so far, more reasonable with having bonfires closer to bosses, so I shouldn't have to fight too hard to get to the boss if I rest at a bonfire. The trouble I also have is that the damn healing animation is so slow and you can't do a thing except walk casually as you drink, and that's more than enough time for anything to hand you your head on a platter.
Burton on 11.