The wacky world of homologation specials

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  • @LegendRazgriz
    @LegendRazgriz Год назад +1439

    The insane loopholes were great. For GT1, the car needed to have a trunk you could fit a suitcase into, but the rules never specified that trunk couldn't be the fuel tank, so Toyota made the GT-One (project code TS020), put a suitcase in the empty fuel tank, said that was the trunk, and then homologated what was literally a prototype into GT1.

    • @koraxi8958
      @koraxi8958 Год назад +84

      And some times we wonder why modern racing has become so restrictive compared to the past

    • @Thee_Snow_Wolf
      @Thee_Snow_Wolf Год назад +33

      I think what was going on with the Toyota specifically was that the road version had 60 litres while the race version was 100 litres. So what I presume that Toyota argued was that no where in the rules did it say the racecar had to have the luggage space and that they had merely used the suitcase storage for the extended fuel tank.

    • @LegendRazgriz
      @LegendRazgriz Год назад +43

      No, the regulations demanded that both versions had to have that trunk. What they didn't specify is that it had to hold something in it, only that the suitcase would fit. And it fit in the fuel tank, so it was legal.

    • @Thee_Snow_Wolf
      @Thee_Snow_Wolf Год назад +9

      @@LegendRazgriz Well it did have the truck space. The racecar just used it for the bigger fuel tank.

    • @BolverkAtlasia
      @BolverkAtlasia Год назад +25

      Don't forget that Toyota was notorious for cheating at this point, having the ST205 Celica with its wastegate wizardry. They were outright genius.

  • @StudioVRM
    @StudioVRM Год назад +650

    I love those "bodywork only" homologation specials. They were stupidly expensive and disappointing on paper. But they made it possible to buy the extra add-on pieces from the dealer, which you could then bolt on to your track or race car to make them functional pieces with historical significance.

    • @andredeketeleastutecomplex
      @andredeketeleastutecomplex Год назад +5

      In other words, fake ricers.

    • @StudioVRM
      @StudioVRM Год назад +46

      @@andredeketeleastutecomplex I'm sure there's some of that too. I'm thinking more of the guys who use the NSX GT roof scoop and an aftermarket rear windshield to duct air into the engine. Or the people who use the Fairlady Z Type E nose so they can mount a huge splitter without making their Z cars look like snow plows.

    • @LRM12o8
      @LRM12o8 Год назад +7

      @@andredeketeleastutecomplex more like they're half of the way there to be turned into the race car already. The bodywork is already there, you just need to use the extra space they provide for the necessary performance upgrades. Doing the bodywork yourself would be a lot of work and I reckon there's far more people out there who can install a turbo, larger airfilter, bigger radiator, etc. than those wo can create custom bodywork to fit these components or make functional air intakes for them.

    • @Journey_to_who_knows
      @Journey_to_who_knows Год назад +4

      Being good looking is 50% the enjoyment of a car so it’s not all bad

  • @mrporgmotorsport7822
    @mrporgmotorsport7822 Год назад +533

    Homologation Specials are by far the best looking race cars ever made. No matter the era, no matter the series, they are always top tier

    • @irmankhajehvand1179
      @irmankhajehvand1179 Год назад +23

      You clearly skipped the Peugeot 206 part of the vid lol

    • @dustinjames1268
      @dustinjames1268 Год назад +7

      Audi Quattro S1 Group B is my personal favorite.
      Looks so out there
      So boxy yet so sleek at the same time
      And that ROARING exhaust note 😍 I could fall in love

    • @chrismaina1830
      @chrismaina1830 Год назад +5

      ​@@irmankhajehvand1179 it looks good imo

    • @ivanbastos4963
      @ivanbastos4963 Год назад +1

      @@irmankhajehvand1179 I don't know about the road version but the rally 206 was mean looking as fuck. I have to agree with OP

    • @fyfyi6053
      @fyfyi6053 Год назад

      The only thing I hate about them is that they gave us modern hypercar culture.
      That's what homologations of exotic crazy GT race cars like Mosler, Porsche GT1, Toyota GT1 did to the world. They basically INVENTED modern hypercar culture. A culture of pointless cars for the rich kids to keep in a garage. Completely pointless waste of resources.
      With that being said sports car racing is so boring and uninteresting without them. We need real hypercars back in sports car racing.

  • @Argent_99
    @Argent_99 Год назад +248

    My favorite ’homolagtion special’ was the AMX Javelin that Roger Penske put together for the trans am series in the early ‘70s. There were all sorts wild stories about that car (like the 5m fuel rig they used), but the best one bar none was the brakes they used. Story goes Penske took four disc brakes to an AMC dealership and had them entered into the vehicles parts catalog. Since the brakes had to be ‘stock’, this was a neat way of sliding the state-of-the-art disc brakes from the Porsche 917/30 right past the scrutineers…

    • @BrownSofaGamer
      @BrownSofaGamer Год назад +55

      Another Penske story is from their Sunoco Camaros, which was they would acid dip the unibodies to save weight. This proved to be so effective that they dipped the bodies to the point where they had no structural rigidity of their own anymore and had to be draped over a special roll cage. After the lightweight Camaro dominated the season the organizer put on a minimum weight limit, and to get around this Penske number their cars 5 and 6, with 5 being over the limit and 6 being under but otherwise identical. They then had the organizer look over the number 5 car, changed the 5 to a 6, then had them look over the “6” and then ran both cars.

    • @W123KartSport
      @W123KartSport Год назад +29

      @@BrownSofaGamer when asked about the massive roll cages the team responded by saying, "We just want Mark (Donahue) to be safe."

    • @BrownSofaGamer
      @BrownSofaGamer Год назад +18

      @@W123KartSport That’s a golden response too, because the officials can’t argue against safety.

    • @anaveragejoehanginground
      @anaveragejoehanginground Год назад

      @Kurt Roithinger @BrownSotaGamer I mean, guy is acknowledged as possibly the best engineer on racing for a reason doesn't he? Having all that fortune on indycar can-am lemans but didn't translate when bringing his talent to formula one. Perhaps business can play factor when your not aware of what it takes.

  • @nst1981
    @nst1981 Год назад +45

    My favourite homologated car is the Celica GT4. So much is shared between the rally car and the road car, they even have the same wiring loom. So any electronic device/ecu/driver aid fitted to the rally car can be retrofitted to the road car and it is all plug and play. Want anti lag on your celica GT4, just find the ecu that does it and just plug it in

  • @emdotrod
    @emdotrod Год назад +191

    Speaking of homologation specials, one that isn’t mentioned in this video is the Australian “supercar scare” caused by homologation specials created to race in Australian Touring Car Championship. The government was so scared that these car could potentially dangerous for public road and they just banned it not only for the competition but for public sale.

    • @ThePoohat
      @ThePoohat Год назад +59

      to be fair, like 90% of "good" road holdens and fords have been wrapped around a tree. making sure they weren't really race-car fast probably saved quite a few bogans' lives lol

    • @Pippy1
      @Pippy1 Год назад +27

      @@ThePoohat something something natural selection

    • @Gettenhart
      @Gettenhart Год назад +34

      You guys got a nanny state fr

    • @vektorr4
      @vektorr4 Год назад +29

      Australian government as usual

    • @yocapo32
      @yocapo32 Год назад +18

      Just another day for the Australian government.

  • @Kacijo
    @Kacijo Год назад +179

    Just drop by to say that your materials are great. The stories that are full of racing and chasing a speed spoken in our specific way. During listening to you everything sound so simple 🔥 Great job your materials are making my day better. So glad that i clicked on the video about Renault 5

  • @cossie60
    @cossie60 Год назад +23

    One of the facts around the homologation of the Ford Sierra RS500 was that you got the front fog lights in a box in the boot from the dealership. The holes where they normally would be placed in the front bumper were designed for brake cooling ducts in the race car. You could still fit them after purchasing if you wished.

  • @effisjens1776
    @effisjens1776 Год назад +31

    Never knew about the "bodywork only" rules for homoligating cars. Back when the NSX GT was added in Forza horizon 4, we all questioned the giant roof scoop... Question answered 😅
    For real, the Super GT homoligation cars are some of the most obscure in racing games. The one for the 350Z for example i only have seen in 1 game, being the fast and furious Tokyo drift (PS2/PSP).

  • @chifurbr
    @chifurbr Год назад +48

    this happends with bikes also, for example Honda currently has the RC213V-S, which is a "road legal" (more of a track day) MotoGP bike, they made them so they could go around the rules that don't allow the riders to use race bikes to practice outside race weekends

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  Год назад +10

      My motorcycle knowledge is very lackluster. But i did assume the homologation trickery wasnt just limited to 4 wheeles. Must be one hell of a tracktoy

    • @yusuftegar6588
      @yusuftegar6588 Год назад +3

      The other one i can think of is Ducati Desmosedici RR. Road legal motogp bike back in late 2000s

    • @Boa74
      @Boa74 Год назад +5

      ​​@@yusuftegar6588 the Desmosedici RR and RC213V-S weren't made for race purpose.
      Honda RC30 was a real homologation special made for World Superbike.
      Same for Ducati V4R which has nothing in common with the normal V4S.

    • @StarkRaven59
      @StarkRaven59 Год назад +1

      The Desmosedici RR and the RC-213V S aren't "homologation specials", though. They're either exceedingly rare and potent technology demonstrators done for the heck of it, or practice rules loopholes, but MotoGP has zero requirement for street versions. If you want actual homologation specials, you need to look toward World Superbike.

    • @heliofaros1344
      @heliofaros1344 Год назад +1

      MotoGP is for prototypes.

  • @camryt
    @camryt Год назад +11

    I absolutely love anything homologation specials. As a Toyota fan there is plenty to choose from, but I love two anegdotes: Toyota GT-One’s fueltank acting as a luggage compartment, and limited run of Celica GT-Four (ST205) called WRC edition, that lacked ABS but had factory plumbing for anti-lag system!
    I own one homologation special myself, it’s a 1992 Toyota Carina E GTi, which uses a 3SGE engine and very complicated front Super Strut Suspension. From what I know, they ditched the trick suspension for Supertouring cars after testing as it wasn’t strong enough. Similarily, road going Celica ST205 had this suspension setup, while the rally car went for regular MacPherson strut. Later this type of suspension was copied by Chevrolet and Renault for Clio RS.

    • @austinclark8727
      @austinclark8727 Год назад +1

      Don't forget the ST185 Celica has a rally special too! That was back when Group A required 5,000 units instead of the 2,500 required after 1993. I have one of the Japanese RC ones (1,800 were sold there), I've also read the Australian market ones (called the Group A Rallye for the ST185, only 150 were sold there) came standard with ABS (I'm seeing lines around the power steering fluid reservoir on all of the Australian ones that aren't present on my car, I for sure don't have ABS). I didn't realize the 1994 ST205 WRC editions didn't come with ABS, looks like it was optional on the regular ones until 1996 when it became standard.

  • @shadowgaming6660
    @shadowgaming6660 Год назад +41

    9:39 the Rally1 cars have to have the same roofline, just not the same chassis. So the aero advantage of the GR Yaris homologation has helped them, especially with rear downforce.

  • @jeracerx
    @jeracerx Год назад +91

    My favorite homoligation special story is the Pontiac GTO, because apparently Pontiac didn't actually pay attention to what the GTO acronym even meant, and when they found out they just kinda threw the GTO into Group 3 so that the acronym actually meant something

    • @wojciechbieniek4029
      @wojciechbieniek4029 Год назад +8

      As far as i could figure it out (and i might be completely wrong), but John Delorean used this acronym deliberately to hide it before GM, which did not wanted Pontiac to build high-powered road cars, that way he could pitch them as racing spec.

    • @Konformation07
      @Konformation07 Год назад +10

      @@wojciechbieniek4029 GM had no issue with high powered road cars but GM had a displacement per weight ratio the cars had to meet. So the high powered road cars were the big boats. The only exception allowed was the Corvette for obvious reasons.
      Pontiac offered the GTO as an option package for the Pontiac Lemans. While GM had the engine displacement to weight ratio in effect. There were no rules against bigger engines offered as option packages.

    • @Dat-Mudkip
      @Dat-Mudkip Год назад +4

      GM were just dicks to Pontiac in general.
      The Pontiac XP-333 was a prototype car built in 1964. It was powerful and aggressive styling. Head of Pontiac John DeLorean (yes, _that_ DeLorean) called it the "Mustang Fighter", as he wanted the car to enter full production as a competitor to Ford. The execs at GM were not pleased with this idea, as DeLorean had built a car just as powerful as the Corvette being sold, but was also 500 pounds lighter. GM always advertised the Corvette as their top of the line performance vehicle, so the XP-333 would have possibly hurt the image of the Corvette. They ordered DeLorean to cease further development of the car.
      Ironically, GM then proceeded to revise the XP-333 to become the C3 Corvette.

    • @TheRealEmile
      @TheRealEmile Год назад

      Cool story

  • @camilleverchel2468
    @camilleverchel2468 Год назад +14

    I swear the Venn diagram of ace combat fans and racing fans is surprisingly big. Great video man, can't wait for the next one !

  • @StrikeWyvern
    @StrikeWyvern Год назад +18

    I adore the fact that you use Ace Combat music as background music to these videos, definitely earned a sub from me!

  • @meierb75
    @meierb75 Год назад +3

    One of my favorite (little known) homologation cars was the 2006 Corvette Z06. Since Corvette was dominating the GTS/GT1 races, a rule was set that displacement had to match with a number of production cars so the Corvette got a 7.0L V-8.

  • @gameboyterrorysta6307
    @gameboyterrorysta6307 Год назад +5

    It's worth to mention that Escort Cosworth shown after 3:37 wasn't "just a bodykit". Escort Cosworth had different drivetrain and suspension with significant changes done to the chassis (mostly to change from transverse to longitudinally mounted engine.
    IMO group A homologation specials will always be the most interesting, as circuit or rally cars based on them had to share many parts with road cars. WRX, Evo, M3, 190E 16V, Delta HF 4WD, Sierra Cosworth, Volvo 240 turbo, AWD Celicas... So many wonderful machines.

    • @OsellaSquadraCorse
      @OsellaSquadraCorse Год назад +1

      It kind of is.... but it's the base road car that's not an Escort. The Escort RS Cosworth is a Ford Sierra Coswrth underneath - just with Escort-styled bodwork on top.
      Nothing is related to the standard Ford Escort, but it is technically, a car with different bodywork on, to be specially homologated.

  • @Rafagafanhotobra
    @Rafagafanhotobra Год назад +35

    I love the videos from this channel, as it delves into stories and small details on obscure cars and scopes from the world of racing (such as racecar builders and the Renault 5 GT story) that are often ignored by other channels. Sometimes, overlooked just for the sake of nostalgia of other, more famous stuff. Congrats, nice work!

  • @jondouglas843
    @jondouglas843 Год назад +2

    I own a homologation special, it's a 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix 2 + 2, or an Aerocoupe Grand Prix, it was a GM G-Body car that fitted a more rounded, aerodynamic nose, a more fastback style rear glass, and a dovetail spoiler on the trunk lid. It has a massive trunk, it's the exact same size as a standard G-Body, but the new rear glass does not open, and the new trunk lid is only about 1 foot tall, so you have a massive trunk, just with almost no way to put things into it. There's a reason it was described on prerelease test drives as "an ill-fitting grocery getter."

  • @dusannestorovic5699
    @dusannestorovic5699 Год назад +5

    My friend had a 206 RC, he gutted the interior and tuned it up to 220 hp
    That thing was very quick...

  • @FlyWire2
    @FlyWire2 Год назад +4

    Great video and subbing! Also, great use of the AC soundtrack :D

  • @The555robinhood
    @The555robinhood Год назад +10

    Just found your channel. And I was just learning about homologation a few minutes before. Nice.

  • @gtzaskar97
    @gtzaskar97 Год назад +2

    The 1961 Ferrari 250 GTO (Gran Turismo Omologato) is the one that comes to my mind. Interesting video, explains the purpose of these cars perfectly!

  • @coliimusic
    @coliimusic Год назад +7

    Glad I caught this early! Fallen in love with your content while getting a massive itch for motorsport history channels more fitting of my sportscar/rally-oriented interests!

  • @lyoselli
    @lyoselli Год назад +3

    my parents have the 206GT, numbered 400something, I can't actually remember. it was originally my late grandma's, because for some reason the then 70-year-old former teacher found it attractive somehow. she didn't ever drive it much, it just recently reached 100k km on the odo, on the same day as my grandma passed away.
    it's actually really fun to drive, especially now that it's modified to run on 85% ethanol.

  • @renatodigiamb8308
    @renatodigiamb8308 Год назад +1

    I liked the video because of homologation special.
    I subscribed because of the randomly appearing of Ace Combat Zero soundtrack at 3:58

  • @carcrasher88YT
    @carcrasher88YT Год назад +40

    Another pair of homologation specials from the 80's were the Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe and Pontiac Grand Prix 2+2.
    These two G-Body special editions were further examples of specific aero parts being put on a limited run of production cars, so those parts could be used in racing, in this case, NASCAR in the late 80's.
    In the case of the Monte Carlo, the Aerocoupes are Super Sport models with a rear window that extended out, with a shorter deck lid. These were offered for the 1986 and 1987 model years, 200 built in 1986, and a further 6,052 in 1987. The first year was the minimum NASCAR required, the much higher number the next year was because of popularity.
    The Grand Prix 2+2 went even further. The rear window extended even further out, and was a bubble, instead of a three-sided one that the Aerocoupe has, attached to a fiberglass deck lid, plus a more aerodynamic nose. That last part was further necessary, because it's relative Monte Carlo SS had a more aerodynamic nose than a normal GP. Pontiac only offered the 2+2 for the 1986 model year, but built more than the required 200, with 1,118 built.
    I'm also quite partial to the 1995 Nismo GT-R LM. The AWD system was removed, leaving it RWD. It has widened bodywork, weight reduced to 1,150 kilos (2,535 lbs), and a spec motor putting out 400hp. Nissan even did the exact same thing they did with the R390, they built one road car, and kept it for themselves.
    Oh, and can't forget the Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution. That was a Dakar homologation special.
    Some of the best homologation specials, IMHO, are the ones that never ended up racing in the first place.
    Look at the 1993 Volkswagen Golf A59, for example. Engineered to compete in WRC, it features AWD and a 275hp turbocharged 2-litre engine. It never raced, and never went into production, but can also easily be seen as a precursor to the Golf R32 that arrived in the following generation, and the R models that followed.

    • @tomanderson6335
      @tomanderson6335 Год назад +1

      Another, far less well known GM NASCAR homologation special from the '80s was the Buick LeSabre Grand National. From 1981 to 1985, Buick and Oldsmobile's representations in Winston Cup were also G-body coupes, the Regal and Cutlass Supreme respectively; for 1986, those brands would use new bodies based on the newly introduced H-body LeSabre and Delta 88 coupes. The fact that the new V8, rear-drive Cup cars would be based on V6, front-drive road cars generated a fair bit of controversy, so much so that the LeSabre Grand National road car was kind of lost in all the noise.
      The LeSabre GN's main reason for existing was to allow Buick NASCAR teams to fit their cars with tiny, mail-slot-esque quarter windows, which would create less turbulence than the big, triangular quarter windows found on Delta 88 and regular LeSabre coupes. To homologate the smaller quarter window openings, the LeSabre GN road cars were fitted with filler panels that occupied the rear roughly 80% of the standard opening, with the front 20 or so percent of the aperture being glass.
      Alas, the smaller openings didn't seem to translate to a significant advantage on track, plus NASCAR started allowing Lexan quarter windows to be fitted around this same time, thereby eliminating the quarter window openings as a source of turbulence. Furthermore, the H-body body shapes would themselves be replaced by the new W-body/GM10 Regal and Cutlass Supreme come 1988.

    • @LuisAbreu90
      @LuisAbreu90 Год назад

      @@tomanderson6335 Another one the 1978 Dodge Magnum in a attempt to keep petty. The Charger Daytona was so dominant that NASCAR had a change of heart. After enforcing new regulations and guidelines, NASCAR banned the Charger Daytona (and the Plymouth Superbird) from professional racing in 1971. Fast forward to 1978 when Chrysler started work on an updated 1975 Charger design to replace the Charger altogether: The Dodge Magnum.
      Dodge built the Magnum to comply with then-existing NASCAR racing rules. The automaker wanted Hall of Fame racing driver Richard Petty to continue racing in a Dodge, and the old '74 Chargers were no longer compliant with ever-changing aerodynamic guidelines.
      Dodge had a new production midsize coupe with the Magnum. However, according to The Truth About Cars, it failed to meet Richard Petty's expectations, who found the car unstable at high speeds and reportedly said, "The Magnum is undrivable at 190 miles per hour." During the 1978 NASCAR season, Richard Petty and Neil Bonnet's Mopar teams switched to Chevrolet and Oldsmobile.
      Dodge discontinued the Magnum in 1979, only two years after its debut. It initially sold well, with 47,827 units reaching customers in 1978, but only 25,367 left the factory during its final model year, no thanks to rising fuel prices starting with the 1970s oil crisis.

  • @Adam-ub9nu
    @Adam-ub9nu Год назад +2

    That black Nismo R390 is absolutely tits, one of my favorite cars ever made and that's saying a lot because I love a LOT of cars!

  • @meierb75
    @meierb75 Год назад +3

    To piggy back a little. The US had a huge influence from homologation rules in the 60s (early 70s). Mostly with displacement. Trans Am racing used FIA rules which had an over 2.0L but limited 5.0L class. This gave us some great pony cars like the Mustang Boss 302. NASCAR had a rule of 7.0L max displacement with 2 valve per rules. That is why Ford and Chevy made 427 engines and Chrysler had its 426 Hemi.

    • @meierb75
      @meierb75 Год назад +1

      Additional note. Carrol Shelby wanted something to upgrade from his 289 engines to push his Cobras at higher speeds at Le Mans and the only thing Ford had at the time was these big 7 liter NASCAR engines which Carrol did not like because of the extra weight and weight in reinforcement. He’d prefer something more like a 5.4L like the Corvette 327. In the end the Cobra 427 was born.

  • @koraxi8958
    @koraxi8958 Год назад +3

    Great videos as always man!
    My favorite homologation specials which have an air of honesty about them. These are homologation specials Manufacturers planned on selling without any obscure tricks albeit a limited number, but that's what makes em specials.
    1.Mclaren F1 LT
    2.Impreza 22 B
    3.M3 E46 GTR
    4. Ferrari F50 [if you could call it one, the GT1 race car never raced, but with a limited number of 349 the road car was as good as a homologation special IMO]
    Had the F50 GT actually raced, it along with the F1 GTR LT, would have been genuine GT1 cars in the BPR serirs and its successor the FIA GT championship. Unlike for instance, Toyota, Porsche and Mercedes with their "GT One" cars

  • @dannyshroyer5770
    @dannyshroyer5770 Год назад +1

    I see the Need For Speed Most Wanted M3 e46 at 7:53. It really looks quite similar, pretty cool they based the look of that car on a homoligation car

  • @SAVikingSA
    @SAVikingSA Год назад +16

    Homologation is like the best self policing form of rules, IMO. You dictate cost and performance by number of cars produced, and it almost always results in memorable cars that further interest in motorsport.

  • @UMIF001
    @UMIF001 Год назад +2

    Subscribed for the Ace Combat Music
    But tbh, I should have subscribed to you long ago because your content is amazing

  • @SockyNoob
    @SockyNoob Год назад +3

    Amazing video! You hit all the main examples I knew of, plus a few curveballs that I straight up forgot about or never knew about (like the SuperGT Fairlady Z homologation special). Very well done.

  • @andi36356
    @andi36356 Год назад +3

    Another case of a homologation model with stretched bumpers is the CLK LM. If you look at the picture of the road car used for homologation on the FIA Archive, it has a weird looking very long front bumper which neither the race car nor the actual road car had. It kinda looks like it was designed to make it road legal in the US? But it was probably just a trick to make the race version of the CLK LM slightly longer than the previous CLK GTR

    • @aaryeshg.6526
      @aaryeshg.6526 Год назад

      That bumper was made to meet US 5 mph crash regulation afaik. A lot of Euro cars that came to US got ruined imo. They had weaker engines, changed to simpler/very dated looking headlight designs and added ridiculous long bumpers that further ruined the design of the cars.

  • @MrWesternDuke
    @MrWesternDuke Год назад +2

    Two notable exceptions from the world of Touring Cars: Ford Sierra RS500 and above all the BMW E30 M3!

  • @luissalgado9378
    @luissalgado9378 Год назад +8

    Good videos as always man.

  • @JK061996
    @JK061996 Год назад +1

    3:58 SEAT experienced the same problem when they wanted to race the Ibiza in WRC, so they chose the slightly longer Córdoba to overcome the 4-meter limit

  • @Robintalesfighter
    @Robintalesfighter Год назад +10

    I remember reading about a car that raced at Le Mans before the second world war, which was effectively a Prototype racer at the time ... before the concept of prototype racers was created. Don't remember which car it was tho.
    I do think my personal favorite is the Sintura, that's just a crazy stunt using only one chassis fro both the "road" and racecar

    • @OsellaSquadraCorse
      @OsellaSquadraCorse Год назад +1

      Originating in the Dauer 962. The 'road' 962s first made were converted race chassis. One Porsche realised that was an avenue for a 'GT1' 962 they provided brand new chassis to Dauer, with the homologated road car actually being used as one of the 1994 race cars.

    • @mrspandel5737
      @mrspandel5737 Год назад +1

      A lot of those early racing sports cars were pretty much prototype race cars since there was often no road going counterparts due to a lack of homologation rules. Stuff like the Alfa 8C MM and 8C Le Mans, or the Bugatti 57G

  • @jn1211
    @jn1211 Год назад +3

    speaking of drag racing in the 60's, my grandpa was a drag racing pioneer! RIP charlie haviland! what a legend!

  • @lazarpeuraca9618
    @lazarpeuraca9618 Год назад +1

    I find the 2006 BMW 320si to be a great, relatively affordable homologation special, in addition to it also being wasted potential.
    They could've taken their S65 v8 from the E9x M3, cut it in half and make the most amazing spiritual succesor to the original E30 M3, but they just souped up an existing production engine (and not even by a whole lot), stuck it in a 4 door chassis with M package suspension, and called it a "homologation special", which it technically is.
    It's still pretty awesome and obscure car, that only gearheads would recognize, but still, imagine if we had a half of the M3's 4.0 V8 revving to 8500 rpm under that carbon fiber engine cover...

  • @gtmaniacmda
    @gtmaniacmda Год назад +3

    I like the NISMO GT-R LM homologation model, it’s so boxy and strange looking.

  • @Filip_Phreriks
    @Filip_Phreriks Год назад +3

    Loved every single minute of this video!
    My favourite has got to be the Fiat Abarth 1000 TC with it's mad bodywork.

  • @deejaydruggerz
    @deejaydruggerz Год назад +2

    Your pronunciation of car names and models is spot on :D

  • @rodolfopesoa5134
    @rodolfopesoa5134 Год назад +3

    Your channel is amazing, I'm glad I found it.

  • @LazloRTR
    @LazloRTR Год назад +3

    I think the alfa argument was that the aero was sold inside the trunk so it's road legal, which would be pretty funny if they let alfa run with the wing but only if it's inside the trunk like how it was sold

  • @spacemoai
    @spacemoai Год назад +2

    Knowing NSX-R's air intake was fake is one way to ruin my childhood 💀

  • @normalviewer740
    @normalviewer740 Год назад +2

    Awesome video! Great information and background video. Looking forward to more great content from you!

  • @musculusiv4172
    @musculusiv4172 Год назад +2

    I kinda wish that they had forced the current le mans hypercars to also have a road legal counterpart

    • @noobsaibot7006
      @noobsaibot7006 Год назад

      It was until the hypercars became more like LMPs

  • @ExecutiveAutomotiveSociety
    @ExecutiveAutomotiveSociety Год назад +1

    I love seeing channels at the beginning of their push. Keep up the good work.

  • @Biomaniac94
    @Biomaniac94 Год назад +1

    Content aside, which was excellent mind you, I'm really appreciating the Ace Combat music. Subscribed

  • @Konformation07
    @Konformation07 Год назад +2

    My favorite and probably one of the more obscure homologation specials was the Oldsmobile Achieva SCX W41. It was built to meet the requirements to race in an SCCA competition of the time. I can't remember which.

  • @1MrBryn
    @1MrBryn Год назад +2

    I've gotten the reverse effect with my bike.
    I've had a BMW F900r for two years and this year there's a new one make racing series for them as part of the British Superbike Championship.
    Accidental homologation bike. 😅

  • @strahinjastevic7480
    @strahinjastevic7480 Год назад +3

    The peugeot GT is actually a bit of a unicorn, as the 1997 WRC regulation changes got rid of the need for homologation specials it was the only other rally homologation special than the lancer EVOs after 1996 (Mitsubishi stuck with group A homologation rules until mid 2001 by their own choice).

  • @AbrahamArthemius
    @AbrahamArthemius Год назад +3

    Speaking of GR Yaris, there's also an AP4 version which rallies in Australia, NZ, & Indonesia. It's practically sort of the predecessor to its Rally2 cousin using similar treatment like keeping the 3cyl turbo and still uses a production body (an AP4 is roughly equivalent to an R5/Rally2 cars).
    A shame that the GR Yaris WRC project was canned because the car is recorded to be even faster than the then current Yaris WRC during their testing. The car now rests inside TGR-WRT's new HQ.
    To be fair, the GR Yaris Rally1 still benefits the improved aero that the base road car brings like the lowered roofline for example.

    • @gameboyterrorysta6307
      @gameboyterrorysta6307 Год назад +1

      IMO going for shared structure was an awful decision. Cars were already too different from their road going variants but at least chassis had to be derived from road car. Right not we are watching silhouettes which allowed Ford to chose fcking Puma. I am afraid we will only get more crossovers (if we will get any new cars at all).

    • @AbrahamArthemius
      @AbrahamArthemius Год назад

      @@gameboyterrorysta6307 Depends.. Do correct me if I'm wrong but WRC is also gonna have plans to have a new regulation of sorts(?).
      Honestly if they really want to go hybrid then they should just use a Rally2 as its basis. Rally2 has more appeal to manufacturers right now compared to Rally1.

    • @gameboyterrorysta6307
      @gameboyterrorysta6307 Год назад

      @@AbrahamArthemius
      As you've said, Rally2/R5 is much more popular with many models racing all around the globe.
      WRC went to common chassis to decrease cost of fitting hybrid package within the car and it seems like they want to stray further away from road cars which is a damn shame.

    • @jfwfreo
      @jfwfreo Год назад +1

      @@gameboyterrorysta6307 More and more motorsport competitions are moving away from the idea of race cars that are at least somehow based on the road cars which I think is a sad thing. Race cars that at least look like the road cars (or better yet share at least some bits with the road cars) are a good thing IMO.

    • @gameboyterrorysta6307
      @gameboyterrorysta6307 Год назад

      @@jfwfreo In the 80's and 90's group A and super touring cars were almost as (if not more) popular than F1. Even in national championships. Many of great driver's cars exist only because of homologation rules.
      I'm happy that GT4, TCR and GT3 are still heavily based on road cars and that NGTC still requires at least road car chassis and drivetrain layout/engine position.

  • @vman7321
    @vman7321 Год назад +1

    Homologatuin cars I’ve owned , Escort Rs2000, WRX STI RA Version2 (McRae era), Lancer Evo4 Rs. Also Australian classic cars built (not owned) Monaro GTS327, Cortina GT, Torana XU-1 and A9X, Falcon GT HO’s, my favourites the HSV VL Walkinshaw Group A, and the Commodore VN SS Group A

  • @shingoose6197
    @shingoose6197 Год назад +3

    If anyone's curious, the FIA's historical database is readily available. You'd be surprised what vehicles were homologated from various manufacturers for motorsports!

  • @BenzoBoi6969
    @BenzoBoi6969 Год назад +1

    The Ace Combat soundtrack!!! Awesome

  • @YOUENNNN
    @YOUENNNN Год назад +1

    Your channel is such a gem !! Best motorsport channel in a very long time !

  • @jessaphillips2846
    @jessaphillips2846 Год назад +2

    I noticed you didn’t mention the Volvo 242 Evolution, which was interesting because of how it was sold in the US. The car came with a “trunk kit” with all the aero parts and most of the people who bought them in the US never put them on, so the only way you would be able to immediately tell it apart from a normal 242 was by the flat hood. It did have a 16v 2.3 turbo engine that made significantly more power than the standard Volvo 240 turbo model as well.

  • @ethantran178
    @ethantran178 Год назад +3

    Not every homologation special is extremely sought after, my friend owns a Galant Vr4, and she got it for, what, 10k in aussie dollars, which I love

  • @Fester_
    @Fester_ Год назад +2

    Thanks for that. A clever and rare topic for a video. Good job.

  • @ben501st
    @ben501st Год назад +1

    The Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution is one of a few if not the only homologation SUV ever made. Pretty cool that they were actually used to compete in Dakar.

  • @aidanpysher2764
    @aidanpysher2764 Год назад +1

    I hear briefing 2 from Ace Combat Zero in the first part. Excellent taste, you earned another subscriber.

  • @JoaoManuelCanelas
    @JoaoManuelCanelas Год назад

    You saved the best for last. I was wandering if it was a to old video for the yaris to be mentioned... Good video

  • @conexant51
    @conexant51 Год назад +1

    A true car connoisseur - car nut if you will... I love it! Great video!
    Subbed

  • @guus46
    @guus46 Год назад +4

    Ik weet vrijwel zeker dat je Nederlands bent. Dus hierbij, je video's zijn echt geweldig. Goede inhoud en duidelijk informatief. Jouw kanaal verdient veel meer abonnees. Ga zo door!!!

    • @Robintalesfighter
      @Robintalesfighter Год назад +3

      Je zit er dicht bij, hij is Belgisch

    • @guus46
      @guus46 Год назад +2

      @@Robintalesfighter Amai!

  • @Pidjnr
    @Pidjnr Год назад +2

    The start of the Bathurst "arms race" with the Holden S4 and the Ford Cortina GT 500, which then carried through to the Supercar Scare with the main 3 being the XU2 Torana, the GTHO Phase IV and the E55 Charger. Also one of the most out there ones has to be the Ford Sierra XR8 from South Africa. What set that apart was the 5.0L and T5 gearbox from the Mustang

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  Год назад +1

      Oh man south africa. Almost feel ashamed i didnt atleast briefly mention the dozens of cool homologation specials made in south africa

  • @ledgendsrus
    @ledgendsrus Год назад +3

    There’s nothing I love more. Thanks for addressing something other than the commonly known homologation cars. Can you do a video on rally specials? Cars built to compete by privateers e.g. that 205 gti with a rotary engine. There was a v6 Peugeot 306 too.

  • @IkenOuse
    @IkenOuse Год назад +1

    MK1 Skoda Octavia 4x4 20v turbo. the saloon has FIA papers and was the base for the WRC car. Picked up a combi last year, plan on turning it into a rally wagon! They made approx. 3500 mix of saloon and combi worldwide.

  • @lowspeedhighdrag566
    @lowspeedhighdrag566 Год назад +1

    This channel scrathes a big itch for me. Keep it up and thank you.

  • @darkdizzy_
    @darkdizzy_ Год назад

    woah, the ACZ soundtrack kinda caught me off guard. then i realized you were the one who uploaded that F-104 stonehenge video, lol. a very pleasant surprise i must say.

  • @jubu3136
    @jubu3136 Год назад +3

    You'll have 10k subs by next week with this quality content

  • @AUBETO
    @AUBETO Год назад +2

    The Ace Combat music is a really nice detail

  • @declan2775
    @declan2775 Год назад +3

    Here's another cheeky one: back in Group A, you had to make 500 homologation cars to meet regulations. Volvo realised you didn't have to actually sell them: so they put together 500 242 Turbo Evolutions to meet regs, then took off anything that made them special (save for the completely smooth hood and some other identifiers) and shipped the cars off to the US to be sold between ordinary 242 Turbos.

    • @minignoux4566
      @minignoux4566 Год назад

      that's just a big waste of money

    • @ValentineC137
      @ValentineC137 Год назад

      @@minignoux4566 Making 500 homologation cars AND doing marketing, adverts, adding them to a sales system, specialized maintainence, supplying spare parts, ect. is a lot more money

    • @minignoux4566
      @minignoux4566 Год назад

      @@ValentineC137 they could have just sold the homologations without bothering to remove the special parts

  • @freak0429
    @freak0429 Год назад +2

    You should make a video going through all the different types of motorsport. I know some of the basics but it feels like every video I hear about a new type of racing.

  • @ac06god1
    @ac06god1 Год назад +1

    This video made meee veryyy happy, ace combat music in the background especially breifing 1 from acecombat 5 and then racecars of course ☺️❤️

  • @CF333.
    @CF333. Год назад

    I’m so glad I found this channel, keep up the great work!

  • @asd36f
    @asd36f Год назад

    An early Australian example was the 1963 EH Holden S4.
    100 had to built to qualify the car for the Bathurst 500 mile touring car race, but Holden actually built 126 S4s. With Holden having 600 dealers across the country, only a lucky few got to see one in their showroom.

  • @rommeleseusmods
    @rommeleseusmods Год назад

    discovered this channel this weekend, very good content really enjoying it, also I notice the use of ace combat music thats great! cheers!

  • @deepinthewoods8078
    @deepinthewoods8078 Год назад

    Great fragment of Robert Droogmans in the Ford RS200 in the iconic Belga livery... my all-time favorite Belgian rally car

  • @michaelb6729
    @michaelb6729 Год назад +1

    Pajero Evolution is the best example of homologation !
    It conquered Dakar for many consecutive years.
    And they made plenty of them for the road.

  • @KRobertsonGaming
    @KRobertsonGaming Год назад +2

    All these specials that you say were not needed to be made like the GR Yaris, although you are not wrong from a technical view all i can say is from a heart perspective they were 101% completely necessary haha
    Great video!

  • @xdsxcdcqxaqasxqsxqscwsdcv
    @xdsxcdcqxaqasxqsxqscwsdcv Год назад +1

    This video is amazing!! Keep up the amazing work

  • @CaliRed1865
    @CaliRed1865 Год назад

    mate, this is quickly becoming a bloody fantastic channel. Well done, and I wish you all the best. Pleast keep 'em coming!

  • @pettybird
    @pettybird Год назад +3

    I’ve driven one of my superbirds in a couple parades. If the cooling system is in good order then it should be OK. It definitely gets hot doing that though.

  • @christopherc7075
    @christopherc7075 Год назад

    One of my favorite homolgation specials, even though it was aero only, was the Datsun 280ZXR. It had these black and bright blue decals that contrasted nicely with the silver bodywork. So while mechanically it wasn't super impressive, it looked pretty cool!

  • @Daniel_Trapp
    @Daniel_Trapp Год назад

    Just found your channel a few weeks ago and I really love it, keep it up.

  • @johnpatricklim4509
    @johnpatricklim4509 Год назад +2

    the very recent one is the gr yaris....supposed to run for the wrc but adapted for the new wrc regulations by just adding an electric motor and battery....

  • @sebastiengonzalez6134
    @sebastiengonzalez6134 Год назад +1

    Keep on doing what you do! Love it!
    PS: Love the AC:0 OST

  • @osker4615
    @osker4615 Год назад +1

    Thank you, youtube algorithm for recommending me this fabulous channel

  • @LRM12o8
    @LRM12o8 Год назад +1

    My favorite homologation special is the Mercedes CLK GTR. It blew my mind when I first saw it as a young child in Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 and it blows my mind even more nowadays to see such a crazy and cool design from a brand with such an understated, "serious business"-y, unadventurous (and frankly stuffy and bland, imo) image!

  • @lorenzodicosmo2708
    @lorenzodicosmo2708 Год назад

    One of my favourite homologation specials is the E30 M3, where BMW had to move the original back glass to be more slanted for aerodynamics. You can see the differences between a normal E30 and the M3, with the fatter c-pillars and the spacer in the trunk.
    Also the Porsche 935 was a cool one, with the double rear glass.
    Regulations stated “you had to use the stock rear glass in the stock position” but no one said that you couldn’t add another bigger and more slanted one, so Porsche did. Just awesome

  • @sportquattro8430
    @sportquattro8430 Год назад +2

    Another very good and interesting video, keep up the great work!

  • @vgbondarev
    @vgbondarev Год назад +1

    The Ace Combat Zero menu music slaps. 10/10 great video.

  • @MSgtRazor
    @MSgtRazor Год назад +1

    Any video with Ace Combat music gets a like.
    Video was quite interesting as well. You have my sub.

  • @explodingrabbit51
    @explodingrabbit51 Год назад +1

    The AC music is the chef's kiss for these videos

  • @logantaylor8354
    @logantaylor8354 Год назад +3

    Very well researched and very interesting.

  • @maggiepie8810
    @maggiepie8810 Год назад +1

    The GR Yaris is a cool little Toyota, though.

  • @thesailaren3939
    @thesailaren3939 Год назад +1

    Very nice Video mate really enjoyed it! 👍🏻