I'm glad you covered this. I once asked about this passage, and was basically just yelled at in response. Biblically the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, and my understanding is that even I have a spirit, and my own sprit is not a separate person.
Thanks We have more videos on the topic. Let me know your comments. 5 Hard Facts About the Holy Spirit ruclips.net/video/aO8lHZ7FUD8/видео.html Is the Father the Holy Spirit ruclips.net/video/UW-30WzqUE8/видео.html ruclips.net/p/PLYGQCKKPeelqYlW-a43wyLJN3hMUBsxw3
Not quite. Jesus committed His spirit to His Father. Even Jesus taught that those who die "live to God" (Luke 20:38) and that He would be in paradise, not go out of existence. He actually was put to death in the flesh but went in the spirit to proclaim to the emprisioned spirits (1 Peter 5:18-19).
Exactly right Brother Mario, To believe in the trinitarian doctrine is to believe in something that outright makes our Christ a liar. If the Holy Spirit is a 3rd person he would have been with the Father and Son forever and therefore would have to know them the same way they know each other. If that were true Jesus would be a liar. I know I wouldn't want to call Christ a liar but that's exactly what the trinitarians are calling Jesus Christ. One problem here is that people use a denominational filter whenever they read the word of God. Trinitarians tell themselves that the trinity has been established. Therefore, they use that trinitarian filter on every word of the bible they read. They tell themselves since the trinity has been established that no part of the word could possibly contradict the trinity. That's a huge mistake and you trinitarians need to stop reading the bible like that. I'm with you Brother Mario.
*Matthew 10: 19 But when they hand you over, do not worry about how to respond or what to say. In that hour you will be given what to say. 20 For it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.…* *1 Corinthians 2:10-11 10 But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.…* *Joel **2:28** And afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.*
@@TheMorning_Son I believe that the Father is the only true and living God. But Jesus the Son, has always been fully divine, receiving His life from the Father's good pleasure, from everlasting. Jesus took on the form of a man, but is still the Son, fully divine.Let me know if that is what you are asking.
Yes. And look at every reference to the throne in all of Scripture - only the God/Father and Son/Lamb are upon it, including in the eternal state. That was when I came out of Trinitarian falsehood.
Thanks for the engagement. That's a great question and request. At some future point I would like to do a video on the historical causes of the Trinity. I believe that the question about why Jesus came to be worshipped is rooted in the New Testament. See the Larry Hurtado interviews: Dale Tuggy Larry Hurtado 99 ruclips.net/video/EU1MHtmtUgw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/A1JDMNRM4dw/видео.html
@@BiblicalBinitarian Mario, FYI: I think this has something to do with the start of the Trinity. I recently found out that Jerusalem, which became a conquered Roman outpost after 70 AD, was renamed by Roman Emperor Hadrian, Aelia Capitolina, from 130AD to 325AD, and dedicated to the Capitoline Triad, a pagan trinity consisting of three deities - Jupiter, the king of the gods; "Queen" Juno, his wife and sister; and Jupiter's daughter Minerva, the goddess of wisdom. In 325, Constantine ordered Jerusalem to be Christianized. The temple to the triune gods was torn down to build a Christian church, which was named the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, that is Roman Catholic, and exists today. That same year, 325AD, is when Christian church leaders, along with Emperor Constantine, introduced the 3 gods as one being, adding a third person where Jesus and the Apostles strictly taught the Father (invisible Holy Spirit) and His Son (the invisible Word of God, manifested in human flesh) alone were to be worshiped as the true God.
@Biblical Binitarian Haha that's true. In the cases of Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14, the Spirit is not necessarily a third person in the Godhead but can be seen as the unifying bond between the Father, Son and church. What do you think?
I agree. I usually state it this way: Binitarians believe in two fully divine royal family heads who are united as one divine spirit. Two unique yet united divine heads.
So is the Holy Spirit God in his natural state, and before he created the Heavens and the Earth did he manifest himself into a, I guess you would have to say a celestial body (for lack of a better word) and that, that image and manifestation is the one we refer to as the Father, and the Father manifest from himself the Word, to be his intercessor which became the man Christ Jesus? And before the Word became a human he assisted the Father in the creation of all things?p
Hi Tyson. I think you may be complicating it a tad bit. The Holy Father is the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 63:7-16). His Son existed in the form of God (sharing the same spirit). God Sent His Son in the likeness of human flesh, taking the form of a man, but still being the Son (Phil 2:5-11, Galatians 4:4-6).
🤔 So the Father has no form (at least as far as we know). And, when Jesus was in Heaven as the Word he DID have a form in whose image we were created in, or am I complicating it again 😕? I am just trying to figure out in Revelations who is sitting on the throne, because it sounds like the Father is sitting on the throne and the lamb (Jesus) is sitting at his right hand 🤔. Anyway, thanks again for your help in this. I really do like this theory. It really does make a lot more since than Unitarianism and the Trinity, but as you can see I am still a bit confused.
@@tysongames2750 Actually, the Father has a form (see John 5:37-38, ) but it seems that only the Son has seen His form (John 1:18, 6:46, 8:48). Praise God for the Son who makes God known.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Keep reading ... 1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ." Remember Paul teaches the Lord is the Spirit, and God has given is the spirit of His Son (2 Cor 3:14-18, Galatians 4:4-6). But what about Matthew? i am hoping you will answer the challenge? Is there a passage where we have all three explicitly knowing each other?
@@BiblicalBinitarian John 15 and John 16.... within the context... the Son proceeds from the Father... is raised and goes back to the Father... then the Son sends the Comforter from the Father.
@@BiblicalBinitarian John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
There are some people who will refuse to believe, no matter how many verses you throw in their face. The indoctrination is too deep. Pharasees were steeped in traditions of men and couldn't hear christ.
As Trinitarians it's very simple. When Jesus said Father the Only True God Jesus was not comparing himself to the Father because Father, Son and Spirit cannot be compared to each other. They are not 3 different gods to compare to each other. The same way when Jesus says no one knows the Fatger except the Son and vice versa, it doesn't mean Holy Spirit doesn't know. 1 Cor 2:10 The Spirit knows ALL THINGS, Even searches the deep things of God. So, NO. Father and Son doesn't need them to explain or reveal them to Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit as God He knows ALL THINGS, EVEN THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD THE FATHER AND SON. Because, all three share the same essence and nature.
I appreciate your attempt at answering. Most Trinitarians simply shrug and say, "I am not sure. So, my question is, are you saying in Matthew 11:25-27 and Luke 10:20-21, although the Lord said, "no one knows ... except," He ultimately meant, the spirit of God knows the Father and the Son and the Father and the Son also know the spirit of God?
@@BiblicalBinitarian Jesus was not comparing Himself and Father to Himself. Trinity teach, Father, Son and Spirit are Co-Equal. You cannot compare Father to Son or Son to Spirit vice versa. The reason Jesus is subordinate to the Father is because Jesus became the Begotten Son of God and coming down to earth as Flesh.
Hello. Unfortunately, that was not my question. My question was, are you saying in Matthew 11:25-27 and Luke 10:20-21, although the Lord said, "no one knows ... except," He *really* meant, the spirit of God also knows the Father and the Son and the Father and the Son also know the spirit of God?
@@BiblicalBinitarian The answer is Jesus was not excluding the Holy Spirit when He said, no one knows the Father except the son and no one knows The Son except the Father. He was only talking about the relationship of the Father and Son. Just because, Holy Spirit is not mentioned in some verses it means Holy Spirit is out of the picture.
Let us know if any specific points of our argument are wrong for Matthew 11:25-27.
Another fine analysis of Jesus's teaching regarding the unique relationship between the Father and the Son.
Thank you, Mario.
Thanks Collier. Love you, brother.
I'm glad you covered this. I once asked about this passage, and was basically just yelled at in response. Biblically the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, and my understanding is that even I have a spirit, and my own sprit is not a separate person.
Thanks
We have more videos on the topic. Let me know your comments.
5 Hard Facts About the Holy Spirit
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Is the Father the Holy Spirit
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Jesus gave up the ghost his spirit died his soul was poured out unto death
Not quite. Jesus committed His spirit to His Father.
Even Jesus taught that those who die "live to God" (Luke 20:38) and that He would be in paradise, not go out of existence.
He actually was put to death in the flesh but went in the spirit to proclaim to the emprisioned spirits (1 Peter 5:18-19).
@@BiblicalBinitarian Job 14:10 KJV
@@BiblicalBinitarian the spirits in prison the gospel preached to the dead is very difficult not heard good answers
Exactly right Brother Mario, To believe in the trinitarian doctrine is to believe in something that outright makes our Christ a liar. If the Holy Spirit is a 3rd person he would have been with the Father and Son forever and therefore would have to know them the same way they know each other. If that were true Jesus would be a liar. I know I wouldn't want to call Christ a liar but that's exactly what the trinitarians are calling Jesus Christ. One problem here is that people use a denominational filter whenever they read the word of God. Trinitarians tell themselves that the trinity has been established. Therefore, they use that trinitarian filter on every word of the bible they read. They tell themselves since the trinity has been established that no part of the word could possibly contradict the trinity. That's a huge mistake and you trinitarians need to stop reading the bible like that. I'm with you Brother Mario.
Amen. All solid points
This guy's a gentleman Sam
*Matthew 10: 19 But when they hand you over, do not worry about how to respond or what to say. In that hour you will be given what to say. 20 For it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.…*
*1 Corinthians 2:10-11 10 But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.…*
*Joel **2:28** And afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.*
Thanks for the Scripture texts. Let us know your interpretations and we can share ours.
What christology do you believe in?
@@TheMorning_Son I believe that the Father is the only true and living God. But Jesus the Son, has always been fully divine, receiving His life from the Father's good pleasure, from everlasting. Jesus took on the form of a man, but is still the Son, fully divine.Let me know if that is what you are asking.
@@TheMorning_Son the spirit speaks inside us not out side there is no evidence the spirit is a third person
@@BiblicalBinitarian not divine on earth he emptied himself
Yes. And look at every reference to the throne in all of Scripture - only the God/Father and Son/Lamb are upon it, including in the eternal state. That was when I came out of Trinitarian falsehood.
Amen.
Even better, 1 Corinthians 8:6 plainly says what we are to believe.
@@BiblicalBinitarian Amen! Thanks.
Could you all study the Early Church fathers and see why Jesus is to be worship with the Holyspirit. Why Church believed in the Trinity.
Thanks for the engagement. That's a great question and request. At some future point I would like to do a video on the historical causes of the Trinity.
I believe that the question about why Jesus came to be worshipped is rooted in the New Testament. See the Larry Hurtado interviews:
Dale Tuggy Larry Hurtado 99
ruclips.net/video/EU1MHtmtUgw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/A1JDMNRM4dw/видео.html
@@BiblicalBinitarian
Mario, FYI: I think this has something to do with the start of the Trinity. I recently found out that Jerusalem, which became a conquered Roman outpost after 70 AD, was renamed by Roman Emperor Hadrian, Aelia Capitolina, from 130AD to 325AD, and dedicated to the Capitoline Triad, a pagan trinity consisting of three deities - Jupiter, the king of the gods; "Queen" Juno, his wife and sister; and Jupiter's daughter Minerva, the goddess of wisdom.
In 325, Constantine ordered Jerusalem to be Christianized. The temple to the triune gods was torn down to build a Christian church, which was named the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, that is Roman Catholic, and exists today.
That same year, 325AD, is when Christian church leaders, along with Emperor Constantine, introduced the 3 gods as one being, adding a third person where Jesus and the Apostles strictly taught the Father (invisible Holy Spirit) and His Son (the invisible Word of God, manifested in human flesh) alone were to be worshiped as the true God.
Hi Mario, is it possible to be a triune or triadic binitarian?
How so?
Anything is possible on RUclips 😀
@Biblical Binitarian Haha that's true. In the cases of Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14, the Spirit is not necessarily a third person in the Godhead but can be seen as the unifying bond between the Father, Son and church. What do you think?
I agree.
I usually state it this way:
Binitarians believe in two fully divine royal family heads who are united as one divine spirit.
Two unique yet united divine heads.
So is the Holy Spirit God in his natural state, and before he created the Heavens and the Earth did he manifest himself into a, I guess you would have to say a celestial body (for lack of a better word) and that, that image and manifestation is the one we refer to as the Father, and the Father manifest from himself the Word, to be his intercessor which became the man Christ Jesus? And before the Word became a human he assisted the Father in the creation of all things?p
Hi Tyson. I think you may be complicating it a tad bit. The Holy Father is the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 63:7-16). His Son existed in the form of God (sharing the same spirit). God Sent His Son in the likeness of human flesh, taking the form of a man, but still being the Son (Phil 2:5-11, Galatians 4:4-6).
🤔 So the Father has no form (at least as far as we know). And, when Jesus was in Heaven as the Word he DID have a form in whose image we were created in, or am I complicating it again 😕? I am just trying to figure out in Revelations who is sitting on the throne, because it sounds like the Father is sitting on the throne and the lamb (Jesus) is sitting at his right hand 🤔. Anyway, thanks again for your help in this. I really do like this theory. It really does make a lot more since than Unitarianism and the Trinity, but as you can see I am still a bit confused.
@@tysongames2750 Actually, the Father has a form (see John 5:37-38, ) but it seems that only the Son has seen His form (John 1:18, 6:46, 8:48). Praise God for the Son who makes God known.
@@tysongames2750 Keep asking good questions. 👍 I can tell that you are attempting to figure out what the Bible really says. Stay well.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Keep reading ...
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ."
Remember Paul teaches the Lord is the Spirit, and God has given is the spirit of His Son (2 Cor 3:14-18, Galatians 4:4-6).
But what about Matthew?
i am hoping you will answer the challenge? Is there a passage where we have all three explicitly knowing each other?
@@BiblicalBinitarian whether you think there are three persons or not... there are two seen in heaven coming forth from the Father.
What verse explicitly mentions two? Most times, people default to unwritten inferences where the Bible has not clearly asserted.
@@BiblicalBinitarian John 15 and John 16.... within the context... the Son proceeds from the Father... is raised and goes back to the Father... then the Son sends the Comforter from the Father.
@@BiblicalBinitarian John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
There are some people who will refuse to believe, no matter how many verses you throw in their face. The indoctrination is too deep. Pharasees were steeped in traditions of men and couldn't hear christ.
You are correct.
As Trinitarians it's very simple. When Jesus said Father the Only True God Jesus was not comparing himself to the Father because Father, Son and Spirit cannot be compared to each other. They are not 3 different gods to compare to each other.
The same way when Jesus says no one knows the Fatger except the Son and vice versa, it doesn't mean Holy Spirit doesn't know.
1 Cor 2:10
The Spirit knows ALL THINGS, Even searches the deep things of God.
So, NO. Father and Son doesn't need them to explain or reveal them to Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit as God He knows ALL THINGS, EVEN THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD THE FATHER AND SON. Because, all three share the same essence and nature.
I appreciate your attempt at answering. Most Trinitarians simply shrug and say, "I am not sure.
So, my question is, are you saying in Matthew 11:25-27 and Luke 10:20-21, although the Lord said, "no one knows ... except," He ultimately meant, the spirit of God knows the Father and the Son and the Father and the Son also know the spirit of God?
@@BiblicalBinitarian Jesus was not comparing Himself and Father to Himself. Trinity teach, Father, Son and Spirit are Co-Equal. You cannot compare Father to Son or Son to Spirit vice versa.
The reason Jesus is subordinate to the Father is because Jesus became the Begotten Son of God and coming down to earth as Flesh.
Hello. Unfortunately, that was not my question.
My question was, are you saying in Matthew 11:25-27 and Luke 10:20-21, although the Lord said, "no one knows ... except," He *really* meant, the spirit of God also knows the Father and the Son and the Father and the Son also know the spirit of God?
@@BiblicalBinitarian The answer is Jesus was not excluding the Holy Spirit when He said, no one knows the Father except the son and no one knows The Son except the Father. He was only talking about the relationship of the Father and Son. Just because, Holy Spirit is not mentioned in some verses it means Holy Spirit is out of the picture.
@@BiblicalBinitarian Do you believe Jesus created the world? What is your belief as Binitarian? You have a video on that?