I've said it before, but I love you breakdown videos, especially when it comes to Sci-fi. I've been watching off and on ever since you were covering The Expanse, in 2021.
Tula is a liar. She lied to Lila about possibilty of talking to her mother in her memories. She is a master manipulator, even better liar than Valya herself.
@@roshi98It is possible. She would have access to memories up until the point of her conception. My point is Tula only told her what she needed to hear so that she would “willingly” undergo the agony. Tula hid the fact Valya killed her grandmother. This revelation is what broke her mind. It was a risk that Tula was willing to take. She was likely tasked to be Lila’s mother figure given her lineage.
@@roshi98 don’t feel bad. I love the episodes so far and feel like I’m understanding without being a book reader but I guess that’s part of the fun so I’m just gonna try to enjoy the ride and be glad to have more Dune content to consume.
She's a Harkonnen. Treachery and betrayal are who she is. Founded on betrayal, perpetrated by lies, the Bene Gesseret sisterhood is destined to fail, though it takes 10,000 years.
At this point in history, the sisterhood had not started the Kwisatz Haderach breeding program. I believe this series provides the origin story for that. Ibelieve Desmond Hart is a natural Kwisatz Haderach, a man with access to male ‘other memory’. I believe the sisterhood’s encounter/conflict with him is what will change the sisterhood’s focus from breeding “good leaders” to breeding for a Kwisatz Haderach under their control and loyal to them.
We know the Sisterhood survives. The burning we see happening reminds me of the "pain" test Paul endured, where his hand was burning. Leads me to believe the Sisterhood eventually learn how he is doing his trick and "enhance" it to their own gains.
not IF this show is supposed to be the prophecy reveal for the kwisatz haderach. how can they attempt something the BG haven't even discovered yet? as a book reader, you're unveiling a different mystery box than the exposition from the show and movies.
The very concept of a Kwisatz Haderach didn't exist this early. Spice was a new thing, the Fremen didn't exist yet, no Guild Navigators yet due to no spice, no full Mentats, and space travel was wildly dangerous without computers. Most sci-fi utterly fails to grasp astronomical distance, this one fails to grasp time.
Jesus I thought she died!!!! I almost cried because they cast the actress so perfectly - when Tula says: "You'll wake up a reverend mother!" the camera lingers on Lila's literal baby-face and her wan, brave little smile, and I just shuddered. It was so perfect. She looked 12 years old. No "mothers" here.
I’ve been thinking that as crazy as this may sound, maybe Desmond has been trained as a Mentat? Because this is part of a trilogy regarding the schools of Dune and it would be interesting if they follow through with a season regarding that particular school and a season regarding the Spacing Guild. I just feel like when he’s doing his burning act and he’s holding his head as if he’s got a migraine or something, it reminds me of the eyes rolling back into the head of Thufir (spelling?), when he calculates the cost of having the Herald arrive on Caladan. I realize that this is a longshot, but you never know until you know.
Think that desmond didn't know he could resist the voice, until it was used on him. That he only went with it until the command was to kill himself. He does have a look that is convincing enough of shock and horror at the voice, but it's off enough you can see he's just going a long with it.
Cheers Pete always enjoy your breakdowns, you're my first choice when we're watching the same shows and I'm excited when we are. During this episode (ad maybe you mentioned this and i missed it) they mentioned who would save them from the burning, dies and reborn in spice so assumed it was Desmond, which i thought was interesting as they need him - did I miss you referring to that?
I'm betting that Desmond will give the Bene Gesserit a good strong enema. One of two endings; He cows the sisterhood deeper into the shadows, or they find a way to defeat him, at great cost.
@@kasvith Not necessarily. He could have managed to decapitate the sisterhood, during the current Emperor's reign.They would've retreated into the shadows, waited a generation or two, then slipped back in.
@@kasvith Knowing what they will become . . . . is why I wish for Desmond to succeed, even though in the long run, he will fail, as will the Bene Gesserit.
One thing that has always bothered me about the Dune novel and films is how easily the baron seemingly breaks Dr Yueh's conditioning. The fact that he may or may not have been holding his wife hostage and possibly torturing her was certainly something that would understandably bother him, but the fact that no Suk doctor had been broken for the hundreds or even thousands of years the order has been around makes me think that it should be neigh on impossible to do short of some incredible combination of extremely powerful space drugs and the worst mental / psychological / physical torture imaginable. Threatening to torture and kill his wife is horrific but not at that level. It makes it seem like the "conditioning" is just marketing bullshit and doesn't exist. Either the Suk are lying about the conditioning never having been broken, or Dr Yueh was the first Suk doctor whose conditioning had really been tested in the real world. It's like saying that it is impossible for an off duty police officer to be pulled over for DUI because police never break any laws.
imo, frank herbert put a lot of thought into the development of the lore but little regard towards immersion, as long he got his point across. for example, what is suk conditioning? there's no mechanics to explore that describes what it took to break it besides, love betrayed mental conditioning. as long the theme of the power of free will across all possibilities of humanity shown through, he dgaf. ultimate immersion break, who the fuck are marty and daniel? and not that garbage his son made up.
@@dffndjdjd Interesting response. The Baron had Paul and Jessica taken to open desert to die because he would technically be telling the truth if under Bene Gesserit questioning if he said that he didn't kill them. The same logic can apply to Dr Yueh, and this is exactly the type of "loophole" that the baron would exploit being the master manipulator that he is. Thanks!
this Desmon dude is bascially the same character every show that the actors been in. Mainly raised by wolves and i am seeing a lot of connective tissue between alien and dune and other franchises too. like they are all connected by the one meta narative but you have to really go digging that rabbit hole up to see what i see. battle star and westworld and our world all connected the matrix and cybertron all connected
The biggest things you need to know about the Dune world is that control of Arrakis is essential for the Imperium to function due to spice being necessary for interstellar travel. So if you hear spice mentioned, keep in mind that control of the spice flow is one of the driving forces behind most events in the Dune universe. The other major one is the machinations of the Bene Gesserit.
I think leto II or the god emperor of dune is oulling behind the scenes using his prescience and future vision to send his memories and power to Desmond to create the scenes for the birth of his father Paul atredies.
As I recall, Telexieu (gholas etc.) and Bene Gesserit had a great disdain for one another in the Frank Herbert novels. I suspect it to be the case in this case but the pyrokinesis. A supernatural explanation is easier than a technological one.
one of the things i am somewhat unclear about is when certain factions come about. As i understood things, the Spacing Guild fills the void for space travel through folding space because space travel without thinking machines has been knocked back to ships taking generations to travel to different worlds. So at this point in the timeline the Zensunni Wanderers haven't yet made it to Arrakis and Spice wasn't yet the vital resource it becomes. But then again this is Brian Herbert's book and he changes a lot from Frank Herbert's books.
They can still travel by folding space, it's just that - what - 1 or 2 out of 10 ships are never seen again? Guild Navigators shouldn't be a thing yet, because spice had only recently been discovered (and no Fremen, only the recently arrived Zensunni Wanderers) but here's everybody hopping from system to system like it's nothing. The show acts like all the major players 10,000 years in the future suddenly popped into existence fully formed after the jihad. The Mentats, the Spacing Guild, and the Sisterhood should basically only be names at this point, with them just experimenting with training and taking their first baby steps.
Unlocking the genetic memories in her DNA signifies she already nullified the poison in her system. The fear is Dorotea may have seized the ego or even worse, sabotaged the Harkonnen sisters plans for the BG by attempting to kill Lila. We await and speculate if she wakes in the following episode. There's no doubt in my opinion, similar to the rebirth/awakening of Paul Atreides with Chani's tear, I think she definitely will considering Lila is crafted to be a messianic figure, an Atreides heir to the matriarch of the BG sisterhood. Here's my beef. This means, Vorian Atreides' granddaughter Raquella prophesied the downfall of the order she created by a member of her bloodline later in the timeline, assumed to be Leto II, which he essentially does, in HIS overall plan to protect humanity against Arafel, which Raquella also warns about? WTF are you doing Brian Herbert? First, you diminish the warnings of the original series, be fearful charismatic leaders prophecy and messianic figures, by main charactering the Atreides throughout the universe's timeline, and now this? You may say he does not have such influence in the show but it's his foundation in the prequels that's led to here.
i notice sister mikaela, stationed on arrakis, has eyes of the ibad. if there is a faction of the sisterhood that competes for control (unconsciously operating in synch with the prescient needs of the dune sandworm ecosystem) it will be based there, alongside the rebellion, in secret. strangely curious who every character's mother is. hart obviously and empress natalya (harkonnen?) and now "sister" mikaela. is her mother fremen? is she a full reverend mother already? and if so, was her agony spice induced?
But man, 10148 years and the shield tech has still not evolved. And ain't 10000 years enough to deplete Arrakis of all the Spice? Guess the worms and Fremen were really at it
I'm watch the show to see how it opens up. Hearing it only has six eps say's they better get their act together or it's going to fall flat. I was a bit shocked that someone could not be manipulated by the VOICE. Time will tell.
I think/hope Lyla could be in a sort of coma like state. Also maybe one of her sisters in training is working with Ragnar and that’s how they could’ve done the burning from far away 🤷🏻
18:45 I am surprised you came to that conclusion. Valya, the Mother Superior, has apparently completely betrayed the supposed purpose and code of the Sisterhood. They are not there for humanity but for themselves. For every truth they tell, there is at least one other lie. Desmond, so far, is providing the Imperium with full justice and truth, freeing it from the complete manipulation of the Sisterhood. I don't understand how one find it difficult to pick a side; I find it extremely easy. The Bene Gesserit will probably prevail, but they are in no way, shape, or form the good side, in my opinion. They are nothing more than a corrupt, self-serving organization. I don't know if the show will manage to make me like them, but so far, it seems impossible. The true Bene Gesserit is represented by Dorotea. Valya Harkonnen has twisted the Sisterhood into a tool for her own ambition. Her allegiance to House Harkonnen, shown in the opening scene, demonstrates that. Valya betrays the Sisterhood’s purpose, she is a danger to humanity and everything the Bene Gesserit are meant to stand for. So far they are the bad side of history and not the team to pick. Not under Valya.
Im thinking Desmond is some type of android. With us seeing how horrible it is to have any thinking machines, even as a small toy, and introduction of a droid that looks and acts completely human, AND has a weapon inside of him that can kill humans without them knowing, makes for an interesrinf addition to this world.
Pretty sure the girl was put in a coma. Also using book info are spoilers. I’ll give it 1 more recap before i decide if I’ll be watching these after the show if it keeps being done.
nah, the twist is gonna be about leto 2. the show wants to be connected to villeneuve's movies, so it's more logical to assume they'll connect the show to leto 2.
It’s unsettling to see Marcus from Raised by Wolves walk into Dune, looking like another crazy character, dressed almost the same. Tsk! I’m sad that series ended.
I wish they hadn't told us how importance spice is during the obligatory fast-forward-through-sex scene. Also, maybe all the narcotics they were taking should have been Spice, so that way we as the audience can actually start to comprehend its uses, abuses, and why it controls the galactic economy for 11,000 years. But nah, let's just get some generic club music and a generic rebellion being assisted by an Atredies- a man whose family just became a Great House and is personally indebted to the early ascendancy of House Corrino, which makes the Emperor's betrayal in Dune painful while also predictable. This show just mucks it up.
I haven't seen the show so it's possible that they specify, but how can this Dorothea character be aware of the actions Valya and the others committed against her? Your genetic memory diverges at the point of birth so what ever version of Dorothea is contained within her shouldn't be privy to the circumstances of her death. Seems like a plot hole.
18:32 spoilers for Dune Messiah and God Emperor of Dune! I really think that he is being controlled or was at least given the gift by Leto II who could operate outside of linear time. This has to be some part of his greater plan to get humanity started on the path that leads to his birth and then also to The Golden Path that he leads humanity down through a series of very strategic and 4-D chess style moves. Or it could be Paul or Paul’s sister doing this from the future. But my money is on Leto II considering the Shai Halud being involved.
@@barryween4478 The Expanse has a small cast, a tight constant narrative, only a single filler season, and has three factions. GoT has a massive cast, 15 different narratives that don't conclude, has 3 back to back bad seasons in a row, and more than a dozen factions.
Really hating the mystery box element of this show. They got me for one more episode and I’m out. This feels like a huge departure from Denis world. I understand it’s 10,000 years from the films, but HBO is missing the mark from an art direction standpoint, tone, and general vibe.
This story having taken place 10 THOUSAND years before the events of DUNE, humanity is already mining spice on Arakis? Already fighting the fremmen?, The Bene Gesserit is already in ALL the major houses in the galaxy after only 130 years? Valya has personally developed THE VOICE as "something I've been working on" lol? I'm sure this is all in service of how Herbert wrote the book (*edit: this just in, the writer has just learned that DUNE PROPHECY isn't actually based on a Frank Herbert book, witch makes a ton more sense as to why it's so disjointed narrative) , but I was stuck by how little the DUNE universe seems to have changed in 10 Millennia. Just seems like "hey folks you know all the stuff you loved about the DUNE movies, well, here's a TV show that's not meant to step on that cash cow's narrative, but it's the same, just you know 10 thousand years before, really ...... wacka wacka wacka!" The "world" looks exactly the same as the DUNE timeline which is supposedly 10 THOUSAND years later. This second episode got muddled and uninteresting for me, and it's all becoming a bit of blah.
Desmond vs Sisters is already more interesting than overrated Arcane season 2 with its boring Jesus Viktor and illogical Singed story. I'm for Desmond wiping them out, haha.
ehhh the Aladdin guy was hot but sex scenes in this series is such a cringe addition. even the storyline with the chick with a mole on her face - her stories entirely boring. they shoulda went full throttle on the Desmond v Benejezzie’s
Hey Pete, a little free unsolicited advice, read the books and you’ll have a much better understanding of what’s going on. The same advice goes to the rabid Frank Herbert purists because you’re not getting anymore books from Frank and you definitely don’t know what he would’ve written despite how much you think you know him and hate his son Brian.
The show made a huge mistake. They depicted the genetic memory wrong. It's not a way to talk to ghosts, you are supposed to get the memory of your ancestors when they conceiver you. Or in the case of your mother you get the memory up to the point of when you left the womb. The girl is not supposed to know how her mother died, or what her grand mother discovered years after her mother is born.
I dont think so. Lila’s mother was not present in her memories. Doratea is her grandmother. Doratea simply says “They lied to her so that she would undergo the agony”. Essentially Lila is confirming her own suspisions in her subconsious. The revalation that Valya killed her Grandmother overwhelmed her and likely caused her coma. Tula lied to Lila about her possibility of talking to her mother in memories. Never trust any “Reverend Mothers”. They are master manipulators. Tula is well versed in lying. She manipulated Lila. Dont fall for her motherly attitude. The very fact that Lila is Raquella’s decesdant is why Tula was tasked to be her mother figure.
@@SameerAli-qw1hn There is no way the genetic memory of doratea knows of her final death. That's the mistake this show made. Also There is no way Lila can access Raquella's memory of the prophecy because Qaquella doesn't know about the prophecy when she gave birth to Doratea. Those are all huge mistakes and a fundamental misunderstanding of genetic memory from the show runner.
My man. They pretty much removed Paul sister from the main movies which is probably the second most important character and are now using some sort of sign language that wasn’t present in the book i remember. Its called creative liberties. Stop complaining. More important things have been changed in these dune tellings.
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God, this show is so bad! It ruins the DUNE name. They managed to create something worse from something worse than the original books, because it was written by Brian Anderson I mean! How can you give the water of life to a no-skill acolyte ????? WHYYYY!???? so she can speak to her grandma and ruin and expose your plans? And why didn't Ragnar Lothbrok took old hag's life after a clear attempt on his own life?????
My nickel’s worth of free unsolicited advice is to watch it for yourself and don’t listen to these naysayers who more than likely haven’t read the books and are basing their biased reviews off someone they follow instead of doing their due diligence and watching the shows and forming an informed opinion instead of being another uninformed parrot.
First episode, a lil slow, but understandable. Episode 2, builds on it all, and... I friggin loved it!
So far, this show is pure dope to me!
I've said it before, but I love you breakdown videos, especially when it comes to Sci-fi. I've been watching off and on ever since you were covering The Expanse, in 2021.
Someone should have told her that the voice doesn’t work on Ragnar Lothbrok
Tula is a liar. She lied to Lila about possibilty of talking to her mother in her memories. She is a master manipulator, even better liar than Valya herself.
Sorry, I'm confused. Why wouldn't it be a possibility?
@@roshi98It is possible. She would have access to memories up until the point of her conception.
My point is Tula only told her what she needed to hear so that she would “willingly” undergo the agony. Tula hid the fact Valya killed her grandmother. This revelation is what broke her mind.
It was a risk that Tula was willing to take. She was likely tasked to be Lila’s mother figure given her lineage.
@@SameerAli-qw1hn Thank you. That makes sense and should have been obvious to me.
@@roshi98 don’t feel bad. I love the episodes so far and feel like I’m understanding without being a book reader but I guess that’s part of the fun so I’m just gonna try to enjoy the ride and be glad to have more Dune content to consume.
She's a Harkonnen. Treachery and betrayal are who she is. Founded on betrayal, perpetrated by lies, the Bene Gesseret sisterhood is destined to fail, though it takes 10,000 years.
Between Shogun, The Penguin, and now Dune, we're actually eating real good TV wise.
One of those doesn’t beling
IMO the original Shogun with Richard Chamberlin was soooo much better, but to each their own. 😉
Kaos on Netflix was also great. But I guess uneducated people didn’t understand greek mythology. I would also add Tulsa
@@goldesd ive been obsessed with Greek mythology all my life and my mentor is a PHD expert in Greek Classics. KAOS was mid.
Also Silo should be added to that list
All I can see is Desmond actor playing same character as in Raised by Wolves
Ep was so good. The hallucinations sequence was freaking awesome.
Which scene was this?
First time since better call Saul that we’ve watched the same series at the same time. Love your breakdowns!
nice. get on the Severance train before that comes out early next year.
At this point in history, the sisterhood had not started the Kwisatz Haderach breeding program. I believe this series provides the origin story for that. Ibelieve Desmond Hart is a natural Kwisatz Haderach, a man with access to male ‘other memory’. I believe the sisterhood’s encounter/conflict with him is what will change the sisterhood’s focus from breeding “good leaders” to breeding for a Kwisatz Haderach under their control and loyal to them.
That's exactly what I was thinking!!! A very exciting origin for that belief and fear of it.
We know the Sisterhood survives. The burning we see happening reminds me of the "pain" test Paul endured, where his hand was burning. Leads me to believe the Sisterhood eventually learn how he is doing his trick and "enhance" it to their own gains.
My guess is that Desmond is a Tleilaxu created attempt at a Kwisatz Haderach.
Same
not IF this show is supposed to be the prophecy reveal for the kwisatz haderach. how can they attempt something the BG haven't even discovered yet? as a book reader, you're unveiling a different mystery box than the exposition from the show and movies.
The very concept of a Kwisatz Haderach didn't exist this early. Spice was a new thing, the Fremen didn't exist yet, no Guild Navigators yet due to no spice, no full Mentats, and space travel was wildly dangerous without computers. Most sci-fi utterly fails to grasp astronomical distance, this one fails to grasp time.
I think he's Tleilaxu face dancer
Yes and also a ghola. Hence the term "revenant" when Lila encounters her great grandmother during the spice agony.
The director and writers said on a podcast that Lila is in a coma.
Yeah, I saw they said that after I finished the edit
Yeah, that's an element they need to leave in because it will lead to a rift between Valya and Tula when Lila wakes up.
Oh I didn't know that. Thank you
It was on the preview for next week’s episode. Lila is still on the table and they have some sort of respirator or something hooked up to her.
Jesus I thought she died!!!! I almost cried because they cast the actress so perfectly - when Tula says: "You'll wake up a reverend mother!" the camera lingers on Lila's literal baby-face and her wan, brave little smile, and I just shuddered. It was so perfect. She looked 12 years old. No "mothers" here.
Pete, youv'e provided a BRILLIANT synopsis. as always. MANY thanx.
I’m still here for Space Ragnar and he is absolutely killin it! Enjoying the show!
I’m loving Dune Ragnar
Thank you Pete, I always look forward to your breakdowns.
I’ve been thinking that as crazy as this may sound, maybe Desmond has been trained as a Mentat? Because this is part of a trilogy regarding the schools of Dune and it would be interesting if they follow through with a season regarding that particular school and a season regarding the Spacing Guild. I just feel like when he’s doing his burning act and he’s holding his head as if he’s got a migraine or something, it reminds me of the eyes rolling back into the head of Thufir (spelling?), when he calculates the cost of having the Herald arrive on Caladan. I realize that this is a longshot, but you never know until you know.
Think that desmond didn't know he could resist the voice, until it was used on him. That he only went with it until the command was to kill himself. He does have a look that is convincing enough of shock and horror at the voice, but it's off enough you can see he's just going a long with it.
Brilliant review yet again Pete. Thank you.
Loved ep 2 ❤ got me hooked!!!
Cheers Pete always enjoy your breakdowns, you're my first choice when we're watching the same shows and I'm excited when we are. During this episode (ad maybe you mentioned this and i missed it) they mentioned who would save them from the burning, dies and reborn in spice so assumed it was Desmond, which i thought was interesting as they need him - did I miss you referring to that?
Yay Pete, you're back!!! So excited!
I'm interested in seeing how the rebel atreadies plot goes
I'm betting that Desmond will give the Bene Gesserit a good strong enema. One of two endings; He cows the sisterhood deeper into the shadows, or they find a way to defeat him, at great cost.
they surely defeated him since we dont see him in the dune movies
@@kasvith Not necessarily. He could have managed to decapitate the sisterhood, during the current Emperor's reign.They would've retreated into the shadows, waited a generation or two, then slipped back in.
@@cdrocrossdiscovery i wish that...because i hate sisterhood above all
@@kasvith Knowing what they will become . . . . is why I wish for Desmond to succeed, even though in the long run, he will fail, as will the Bene Gesserit.
@@cdrocrossdiscovery i hate sisterhood so much lol
One thing that has always bothered me about the Dune novel and films is how easily the baron seemingly breaks Dr Yueh's conditioning. The fact that he may or may not have been holding his wife hostage and possibly torturing her was certainly something that would understandably bother him, but the fact that no Suk doctor had been broken for the hundreds or even thousands of years the order has been around makes me think that it should be neigh on impossible to do short of some incredible combination of extremely powerful space drugs and the worst mental / psychological / physical torture imaginable. Threatening to torture and kill his wife is horrific but not at that level. It makes it seem like the "conditioning" is just marketing bullshit and doesn't exist. Either the Suk are lying about the conditioning never having been broken, or Dr Yueh was the first Suk doctor whose conditioning had really been tested in the real world. It's like saying that it is impossible for an off duty police officer to be pulled over for DUI because police never break any laws.
imo, frank herbert put a lot of thought into the development of the lore but little regard towards immersion, as long he got his point across. for example, what is suk conditioning? there's no mechanics to explore that describes what it took to break it besides, love betrayed mental conditioning. as long the theme of the power of free will across all possibilities of humanity shown through, he dgaf.
ultimate immersion break, who the fuck are marty and daniel? and not that garbage his son made up.
@@dffndjdjd Interesting response. The Baron had Paul and Jessica taken to open desert to die because he would technically be telling the truth if under Bene Gesserit questioning if he said that he didn't kill them. The same logic can apply to Dr Yueh, and this is exactly the type of "loophole" that the baron would exploit being the master manipulator that he is. Thanks!
Thanks, Pete! Wonder if Desmond survived the agony, and perhaps his crazy eyes are his ancestors' memories? An experiment with gohlas?
this Desmon dude is bascially the same character every show that the actors been in.
Mainly raised by wolves
and i am seeing a lot of connective tissue between alien and dune and other franchises too.
like they are all connected by the one meta narative but you have to really go digging that rabbit hole up to see what i see. battle star and westworld and our world all connected the matrix and cybertron all connected
I am so into this show now. Epi one got me intrigued but epi 2 got me hooked.
And idk sht about the dune world but… I wanna.
The biggest things you need to know about the Dune world is that control of Arrakis is essential for the Imperium to function due to spice being necessary for interstellar travel. So if you hear spice mentioned, keep in mind that control of the spice flow is one of the driving forces behind most events in the Dune universe. The other major one is the machinations of the Bene Gesserit.
I think leto II or the god emperor of dune is oulling behind the scenes using his prescience and future vision to send his memories and power to Desmond to create the scenes for the birth of his father Paul atredies.
Desmond had a knife to his throte, she could have just helped him do it.
What about that ring that Desmond wears? Can that have something to do with he´s powers?
As I recall, Telexieu (gholas etc.) and Bene Gesserit had a great disdain for one another in the Frank Herbert novels. I suspect it to be the case in this case but the pyrokinesis. A supernatural explanation is easier than a technological one.
They weren’t holding tea parties in the Brian and Kevin novels either.
Heres a wild off the wall theory. He survived the water of life ritual(albeit in the belly of a Sandworm). But hes basically a version of Paul, maybe.
Im thinking this is where theyre going, hes almost ljke a wild/feral version of the QH, Paul was also trained as a mentat/bene gesserit
you mean kwisatzh haderah?
thanks for the video
one of the things i am somewhat unclear about is when certain factions come about. As i understood things, the Spacing Guild fills the void for space travel through folding space because space travel without thinking machines has been knocked back to ships taking generations to travel to different worlds. So at this point in the timeline the Zensunni Wanderers haven't yet made it to Arrakis and Spice wasn't yet the vital resource it becomes. But then again this is Brian Herbert's book and he changes a lot from Frank Herbert's books.
They can still travel by folding space, it's just that - what - 1 or 2 out of 10 ships are never seen again? Guild Navigators shouldn't be a thing yet, because spice had only recently been discovered (and no Fremen, only the recently arrived Zensunni Wanderers) but here's everybody hopping from system to system like it's nothing. The show acts like all the major players 10,000 years in the future suddenly popped into existence fully formed after the jihad. The Mentats, the Spacing Guild, and the Sisterhood should basically only be names at this point, with them just experimenting with training and taking their first baby steps.
they wouldnt let Lila die
Unlocking the genetic memories in her DNA signifies she already nullified the poison in her system. The fear is Dorotea may have seized the ego or even worse, sabotaged the Harkonnen sisters plans for the BG by attempting to kill Lila. We await and speculate if she wakes in the following episode. There's no doubt in my opinion, similar to the rebirth/awakening of Paul Atreides with Chani's tear, I think she definitely will considering Lila is crafted to be a messianic figure, an Atreides heir to the matriarch of the BG sisterhood.
Here's my beef. This means, Vorian Atreides' granddaughter Raquella prophesied the downfall of the order she created by a member of her bloodline later in the timeline, assumed to be Leto II, which he essentially does, in HIS overall plan to protect humanity against Arafel, which Raquella also warns about? WTF are you doing Brian Herbert? First, you diminish the warnings of the original series, be fearful charismatic leaders prophecy and messianic figures, by main charactering the Atreides throughout the universe's timeline, and now this? You may say he does not have such influence in the show but it's his foundation in the prequels that's led to here.
It looked like Lila picked up on Tula lying to her about her mother dying from child birth
i notice sister mikaela, stationed on arrakis, has eyes of the ibad. if there is a faction of the sisterhood that competes for control (unconsciously operating in synch with the prescient needs of the dune sandworm ecosystem) it will be based there, alongside the rebellion, in secret. strangely curious who every character's mother is. hart obviously and empress natalya (harkonnen?) and now "sister" mikaela. is her mother fremen? is she a full reverend mother already? and if so, was her agony spice induced?
But man, 10148 years and the shield tech has still not evolved. And ain't 10000 years enough to deplete Arrakis of all the Spice? Guess the worms and Fremen were really at it
Both were really good
I'm watch the show to see how it opens up. Hearing it only has six eps say's they better get their act together or it's going to fall flat. I was a bit shocked that someone could not be manipulated by the VOICE. Time will tell.
Very enjoyable
I think/hope Lyla could be in a sort of coma like state. Also maybe one of her sisters in training is working with Ragnar and that’s how they could’ve done the burning from far away 🤷🏻
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18:45 I am surprised you came to that conclusion. Valya, the Mother Superior, has apparently completely betrayed the supposed purpose and code of the Sisterhood. They are not there for humanity but for themselves. For every truth they tell, there is at least one other lie.
Desmond, so far, is providing the Imperium with full justice and truth, freeing it from the complete manipulation of the Sisterhood. I don't understand how one find it difficult to pick a side; I find it extremely easy.
The Bene Gesserit will probably prevail, but they are in no way, shape, or form the good side, in my opinion. They are nothing more than a corrupt, self-serving organization. I don't know if the show will manage to make me like them, but so far, it seems impossible.
The true Bene Gesserit is represented by Dorotea. Valya Harkonnen has twisted the Sisterhood into a tool for her own ambition. Her allegiance to House Harkonnen, shown in the opening scene, demonstrates that. Valya betrays the Sisterhood’s purpose, she is a danger to humanity and everything the Bene Gesserit are meant to stand for. So far they are the bad side of history and not the team to pick. Not under Valya.
So is Desmond "proto Paul" or is he a Face Dancer?
loved the ep
This is reminding me a lot of the Wheel of Time, with a male version of the powerful women trying to take them down.
I wanna ask adk y'all honest opinion does this series worth it?!!
Im thinking Desmond is some type of android. With us seeing how horrible it is to have any thinking machines, even as a small toy, and introduction of a droid that looks and acts completely human, AND has a weapon inside of him that can kill humans without them knowing, makes for an interesrinf addition to this world.
desmond is rasputin
Pretty sure the girl was put in a coma. Also using book info are spoilers. I’ll give it 1 more recap before i decide if I’ll be watching these after the show if it keeps being done.
The theory going around is that Desmond could be a thinking machine. If this is the twist, it'll be a massive letdown
nah, the twist is gonna be about leto 2. the show wants to be connected to villeneuve's movies, so it's more logical to assume they'll connect the show to leto 2.
I think he’s a tleilaxu ghola
I think he is a mentat working for the machines
There are multiple clones
One for the worm
One to kill the boy
One to kill the sister
One for the king with special powers ... Maybe
It’s unsettling to see Marcus from Raised by Wolves walk into Dune, looking like another crazy character, dressed almost the same. Tsk! I’m sad that series ended.
I actually love this show
I wish they hadn't told us how importance spice is during the obligatory fast-forward-through-sex scene. Also, maybe all the narcotics they were taking should have been Spice, so that way we as the audience can actually start to comprehend its uses, abuses, and why it controls the galactic economy for 11,000 years. But nah, let's just get some generic club music and a generic rebellion being assisted by an Atredies- a man whose family just became a Great House and is personally indebted to the early ascendancy of House Corrino, which makes the Emperor's betrayal in Dune painful while also predictable. This show just mucks it up.
Desmond is probably using nanites to burn people.
Huh never thought of that
the technology hasn't evolved much because if the whole stagnation thing and that's what the golden path was.
I wonder if the soldier controls the burning or if he is just a node where the request is made.
I haven't seen the show so it's possible that they specify, but how can this Dorothea character be aware of the actions Valya and the others committed against her? Your genetic memory diverges at the point of birth so what ever version of Dorothea is contained within her shouldn't be privy to the circumstances of her death. Seems like a plot hole.
Perhaps Dorothea is looking at Lila's genetic memory and has seen what has happened to the sisterhood
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I really think that he is being controlled or was at least given the gift by Leto II who could operate outside of linear time. This has to be some part of his greater plan to get humanity started on the path that leads to his birth and then also to The Golden Path that he leads humanity down through a series of very strategic and 4-D chess style moves. Or it could be Paul or Paul’s sister doing this from the future. But my money is on Leto II considering the Shai Halud being involved.
@ when did the sisters start planning to make the KH? I like your theory.
@ very very interesting.
I mean... Desmond (Desmonds?) has to be a ghola, right?
Both episodes where good in all dep , but review channels has been saying they suck .
Long story short…. He’s a clone.
Anyone else think the suspenser prison room kinda silly
Yes, how are they using the bathroom?
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Desmond a time Ghola.
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Do they just use props and sets from Foundation?
This show is trying too hard to be Game of Thrones in space
That's called The Expanse.
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Yhh and I love it 👍
@@barryween4478 The Expanse has a small cast, a tight constant narrative, only a single filler season, and has three factions. GoT has a massive cast, 15 different narratives that don't conclude, has 3 back to back bad seasons in a row, and more than a dozen factions.
Really hating the mystery box element of this show. They got me for one more episode and I’m out. This feels like a huge departure from Denis world. I understand it’s 10,000 years from the films, but HBO is missing the mark from an art direction standpoint, tone, and general vibe.
Raised by Dune Vikings Wolves...🤷♂️
This story having taken place 10 THOUSAND years before the events of DUNE, humanity is already mining spice on Arakis? Already fighting the fremmen?, The Bene Gesserit is already in ALL the major houses in the galaxy after only 130 years? Valya has personally developed THE VOICE as "something I've been working on" lol? I'm sure this is all in service of how Herbert wrote the book (*edit: this just in, the writer has just learned that DUNE PROPHECY isn't actually based on a Frank Herbert book, witch makes a ton more sense as to why it's so disjointed narrative) , but I was stuck by how little the DUNE universe seems to have changed in 10 Millennia. Just seems like "hey folks you know all the stuff you loved about the DUNE movies, well, here's a TV show that's not meant to step on that cash cow's narrative, but it's the same, just you know 10 thousand years before, really ...... wacka wacka wacka!" The "world" looks exactly the same as the DUNE timeline which is supposedly 10 THOUSAND years later. This second episode got muddled and uninteresting for me, and it's all becoming a bit of blah.
Desmond vs Sisters is already more interesting than overrated Arcane season 2 with its boring Jesus Viktor and illogical Singed story.
I'm for Desmond wiping them out, haha.
ehhh the Aladdin guy was hot but sex scenes in this series is such a cringe addition. even the storyline with the chick with a mole on her face - her stories entirely boring. they shoulda went full throttle on the Desmond v Benejezzie’s
I really want more Foundation. This is just like Brian Herbert trying to catch up with Star Wars and something like Foundation.
How the hell is the recap just as long as the actual episode? I just want the cliff notes. 😂
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Hey Pete, a little free unsolicited advice, read the books and you’ll have a much better understanding of what’s going on. The same advice goes to the rabid Frank Herbert purists because you’re not getting anymore books from Frank and you definitely don’t know what he would’ve written despite how much you think you know him and hate his son Brian.
The show made a huge mistake. They depicted the genetic memory wrong. It's not a way to talk to ghosts, you are supposed to get the memory of your ancestors when they conceiver you. Or in the case of your mother you get the memory up to the point of when you left the womb. The girl is not supposed to know how her mother died, or what her grand mother discovered years after her mother is born.
I dont think so.
Lila’s mother was not present in her memories. Doratea is her grandmother.
Doratea simply says “They lied to her so that she would undergo the agony”. Essentially Lila is confirming her own suspisions in her subconsious.
The revalation that Valya killed her Grandmother overwhelmed her and likely caused her coma.
Tula lied to Lila about her possibility of talking to her mother in memories.
Never trust any “Reverend Mothers”. They are master manipulators. Tula is well versed in lying. She manipulated Lila. Dont fall for her motherly attitude. The very fact that Lila is Raquella’s decesdant is why Tula was tasked to be her mother figure.
@@SameerAli-qw1hn There is no way the genetic memory of doratea knows of her final death. That's the mistake this show made. Also There is no way Lila can access Raquella's memory of the prophecy because Qaquella doesn't know about the prophecy when she gave birth to Doratea. Those are all huge mistakes and a fundamental misunderstanding of genetic memory from the show runner.
Her mother literally took over her body to curse out the harkonnens
@@silvermoss1776 which is completely devoid of logic, she should not have her mother's memory at the time of death.
My man. They pretty much removed Paul sister from the main movies which is probably the second most important character and are now using some sort of sign language that wasn’t present in the book i remember. Its called creative liberties. Stop complaining. More important things have been changed in these dune tellings.
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games and anime spread pantheism However, there is only one God
For example there are lots of false “gods” in this anime
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Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
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I can't find anything interesting about these characters. If this doesn't change by the next episode, I'm gonna stop watching. It's dull.
God, this show is so bad! It ruins the DUNE name. They managed to create something worse from something worse than the original books, because it was written by Brian Anderson I mean! How can you give the water of life to a no-skill acolyte ????? WHYYYY!???? so she can speak to her grandma and ruin and expose your plans?
And why didn't Ragnar Lothbrok took old hag's life after a clear attempt on his own life?????
@@dffndjdjd you're right! that was not the water of life, I just said that, it went in to her eye anyway.
Thank you for the breakdown it's so slow and boring 😴 I fell asleep on it twice 😅
Its gonna be like that the whole season 😂
Marvel brain.
This ain't the WWE.
You need to re-learn how to slow down and enjoy the moment.❤
Everyone ive spoke to and review watched has said this series is a virtual flop, not as bad as lord of the rings series but also crap.
Rings of Power is great actually. Maybe find something more accessible to children.
My nickel’s worth of free unsolicited advice is to watch it for yourself and don’t listen to these naysayers who more than likely haven’t read the books and are basing their biased reviews off someone they follow instead of doing their due diligence and watching the shows and forming an informed opinion instead of being another uninformed parrot.
@@RhapsodyInBlaah i bet you thought that the new star war series cancelled was good too.
@@RhapsodyInBlaahI’m glad you liked it but just bc others didn’t is also fine.
@PetePeppers1 thanks for speaking not super fast (like a lot of RUclipsrs do, sadly). I can follow your speaking :)
You can slow down the video.