The Bene Gesserit Lied for 10,000 Years: Paul Atreides & Kwisatz Haderach Explained | DUNE LORE

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @jennabronson4704
    @jennabronson4704 7 месяцев назад +69

    Saying the BG were the “most powerful” is questionable. They were one of a few major powers in the Imperium. The Guild, for example, was arguably as or more powerful-Paul’s key to the throne was forcing the Guild to kneel.

    • @FTTLOMS
      @FTTLOMS 6 месяцев назад +10

      True! You know your lore. That was one thing about the new movies that had me puzzled. I know they have to make choices when adapting to film, but the guild was forgotten in these new movies. We got a look at some guild navigators at the beginning of the first movie, but they don't appear in the second movie at all. I guess they opted for just showing three factions: Atreides/Fremen, Harkonnen and the Emperor/Bene Gesseret. Well that's 5, but no Guild makes me a little sad. And that's the trouble with knowing the source material of a story. You can't ever be happy with the movie interpretations. I think LOTR got it the closest but even then people were mad that Tom Bombadil was taken out. Sheesh!

    • @jennabronson4704
      @jennabronson4704 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@FTTLOMS I think they did it for ideological reasons. They also painted the BG as the victors “no matter who prevails on Arrakis,” which is the exact opposite of the book.

    • @carloscrecelius9597
      @carloscrecelius9597 6 месяцев назад +2

      The Bene Tleilaxu were also a very powerful and often overlooked faction in Dune.

    • @jennabronson4704
      @jennabronson4704 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@strandedstarfish The book was very explicit about Paul being a black swan that completely wrecked the Bene Gesserit plan for ascension, and his son dickslapped them for another 3500 years until they finally learned their lesson.

    • @AgentThursday
      @AgentThursday 5 месяцев назад

      @@jennabronson4704 crude, but yes.

  • @christianealshut1123
    @christianealshut1123 8 месяцев назад +120

    I think the limitation that the BG have discovered in themselves and that has led them to the inception of the breeding program for the Kwisatz Haderach is of their own making...They can't unlock the male component of their ancestry and as a result they also lack the male perspective when using their prescience and looking into the future. This is why they want to breed for the KH, i.e. the male version of a BG with ancestral memory vision down both lines. But if you look at the places in the book where they describe the reasons for their inability, you notice that they have been limiting themselves without perhaps knowing it; they talk about a place where they "dare" not look because it is "terrifying" to them as women or something in this direction. This suggests that looking there is not dangerous in itself, but is made dangerous by the way they feel about it. This suggests that thy are essentially limited in what they can achieve psychically and spiritually because of FEAR - which is deeply ironic because they have also invented the Litany Against Fear which states fear to be "the mind-killer"...They will probably not be prima facie "killed" by looking at that part they want the KH to look at, but just as they can change their body chemistry and their physiology at will, they very likely also conditioned it to respond in a certain way to that side simply by fearing it, to the point that it really would have become lethal for them to look there.
    So their problem is not so much that they wanted to create a being who was by definition more powerful than they and who they, consequently, would never by able to control in the way they wanted to. It is also that they failed to see that they would essentially have no more purpose and hence no more power base once the KH did indeed exist because their vision was this limited. They were very likely also never aware that their limitations were of their own making because they did not even follow their own teachings.

    • @TheKeyser94
      @TheKeyser94 8 месяцев назад +5

      The only problem is that Kwisatz Haderach never meant to be male, Jessica was meant to have a daughter not a son, but because she loved the Duke, she defied the Bene Gesserit and had Paul, the Bene Gesserit were pissed, but they used the excuse to make peace with the Harkonnen as pretext, when Jessica had a daughter, she was tainted by the water of life, and was label as a abomination by the Bene Gesserit, the same label that Leto II would have later on, after he strip them of their power, Kwisatz Haderach pass from becoming the symbol of the perfect symbol to be labelled a abomination and never try again.

    • @garengatorlope1004
      @garengatorlope1004 8 месяцев назад +20

      Actually its a matter of simple genetics women have 2 x chromosomes while males have an x AND a y chromosomes and other memories are GENETIC memories if they don't have a y chromosome they can't access male memories

    • @lokekennee8850
      @lokekennee8850 8 месяцев назад +22

      @@TheKeyser94I thought they planned for it to be male, just not Jessica’s son but Feyd’s and another BG member’s son no?

    • @TheKeyser94
      @TheKeyser94 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@lokekennee8850 No Jessica was supposedly to have a daughter, not a son, that then would be train in the Bene Gesserit sisterhood, of course, it would be their final step in their eugenic plan to create their perfect being, but Jessica screw their plans, when she had a son, because she loved the Duke, and the Bene Gesserit weren't happy, but they use the excuse to have a daughter to make peace with the Harkonnen, also, Feyd mother may have been a Bene Gesserit, but she was never involved in any shape or form in the eugenic plan, so the idea that Feyd could be a Kwisatz Haderach is really stupid, like the people that made this movie not bother to read the books or study the lore, they really dumbed down the Bene Gesserit in this movie, to the point that they tell a novice, Irulan, all their secret plans, Irulan not become a full Bene Gesserit till Children of Dune, and she didn't even hide it, Jessica complain about that in Children of Dune, Irulan use her genetics to maintain the appearance of being young, sightly older than Paul children, like being in her late 20', early 30', and Villanue totally exterminated the Space Guild, one of the most important factions in Dune, they control the CHOAM, that controls the shares of spice, also without the Space Guild there wouldn't be commerce or trade in the known universe, this movies are mediocre, barely have any world building, is pure spectacle, with barely any substance.

    • @lokekennee8850
      @lokekennee8850 8 месяцев назад +17

      @@TheKeyser94 You misunderstood what I am saying here.
      Yes I know she was supposed to have a daughter, and the Bene gensserit was planning to have her daughter marry Feyd and give birth a male child, which they initially planned that child to be the Kwisatz Haderach.
      So it was always planned to be a male, just not Jessica’s child, so essentially Jessica messed up their plans because she wanted to give Duke Leto an heir.

  • @OG_Cool_Cat
    @OG_Cool_Cat 5 месяцев назад +11

    Leto the second was the true Quiznos Cadillac.

    • @edwarddore7617
      @edwarddore7617 5 месяцев назад +3

      Is that a Cadillac that looks like a Quiznos sandwich, or a Cadillac full of Quiznos sandwiches, because I prefer the latter.

    • @LongDefiant
      @LongDefiant 5 месяцев назад

      That was Agent Smith

    • @rvfiasco
      @rvfiasco 3 месяца назад

      Fo sho! 😂

  • @ahmadfitri7976
    @ahmadfitri7976 8 месяцев назад +27

    I already know this almost 20 years ago, and back then we only have the Lynch's movie and that TV series. He was never ment to be but the thousands of Humanities voice echoed throughout the millennia chosen him, for they themselves knew if humanity were to survive they need a Kwisatz Haderach. But unfortunately for Paul he saw what The Golden Path will do to humanity and what he needs to become and choose to exile himself for his inability to accept the burden. But Leto has no problem with that. Leto II carried that mantle instead.

  • @jennabronson4704
    @jennabronson4704 7 месяцев назад +53

    Nothing from Brian Herbert’s books should be considered canon.

    • @AgentThursday
      @AgentThursday 6 месяцев назад +3

      Amen. Mediocre fan fiction, at best.

    • @jennabronson4704
      @jennabronson4704 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@strandedstarfish Completely false. His father died long before any of it was written, and KJA and BH were caught red handed lying about finding “notes for Dune 7.”

    • @sammalla5238
      @sammalla5238 5 месяцев назад +2

      some aspects from the Butlerian jihad i am fine with but everything else is trash

    • @rvfiasco
      @rvfiasco 3 месяца назад

      I always wondered if that was true.​@@jennabronson4704

  • @cencent2189
    @cencent2189 7 месяцев назад +16

    Not technology, thinking machines. A lot of technology still exists but thinking is preserved for humans only

    • @elizabethjansen2684
      @elizabethjansen2684 6 месяцев назад +2

      In other words AI

    • @cencent2189
      @cencent2189 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@elizabethjansen2684 yup AI, but also calculators, internet, etc.

    • @elizabethjansen2684
      @elizabethjansen2684 6 месяцев назад +2

      @cencent2189 internet? I don't think so it's complex machines that are banned

    • @cencent2189
      @cencent2189 6 месяцев назад +3

      @elizabethjansen2684 Yeah, I'm just basing it on not seeing it in the movies or hearing it in the books.
      But tbf they do use radio communication, so it could be just the fact Dune was written before the internet existed. I think they should have internet, it wouldn't make sense if they didn't.

  • @acenull0
    @acenull0 8 месяцев назад +11

    Spice is a hell of a drug 😂

  • @DemitriVladMaximov
    @DemitriVladMaximov 8 месяцев назад +19

    I don't remember telekinesis anywhere in Dune.

    • @robertsmall5168
      @robertsmall5168 7 месяцев назад +14

      He meant to say telepathy

    • @bradleynoneofyourbizz5341
      @bradleynoneofyourbizz5341 7 месяцев назад +1

      It's from Brian Herbert's prologues. Not considered canon by many.

    • @user-zg3gh8xg9v
      @user-zg3gh8xg9v 7 месяцев назад

      @@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341 So can the Bene Gesserit spoon together ?

  • @121sumeet
    @121sumeet 7 месяцев назад +11

    So they took all of Indian Yogic and Meditation techniques and made it into Bene Gesserit origins and methods

    • @NikhilVerma-qd1uu
      @NikhilVerma-qd1uu 7 месяцев назад

      So what?

    • @Fourtune1
      @Fourtune1 7 месяцев назад +4

      They’re influenced by the Catholic Church too

  • @johnwong8146
    @johnwong8146 8 месяцев назад +26

    Amazing summary! Thanks so much!

  • @ElMistroFeroz
    @ElMistroFeroz 8 месяцев назад +4

    To explain such loss of life is easier than people think. Just answer the following:
    Why did the houses, after finding out what the emperor did, still sided with him and against Paul Atreides?
    And on that note, if the houses considered his rule illegitimate, why did he still feel he had to marry the emperor's daughter? The symbolic gesture became irrelevant and would lead to more problems than necessary.
    FYI UniverseGalaxy. Saying it because the majority of Dune fans don't know the difference.

    • @forickgrimaldus8301
      @forickgrimaldus8301 7 месяцев назад

      Its essentially simple, Atradies gained too Much Power and the House Took it by essentially Hijacking the Religion of the Fremen, Taking the Only Spice Producing Planet and Swiftly and Somewhat Brutally Taking out the Bene Gesserit Mother, the Emperor and House Harkonnen,
      This essentialily signalled to Every House that House Atradies is a Threat to their Own Individual Power and decided to Strike Now while Paul was essential still stuck on Arrakis. (Also for all the Houses Knew Paul essentially was acting Rouge as they don't really knew what actually happened between the Emperor and House Atradies, so for all they knew Paul was just doing this as only a bid to gain power.)

  • @robertnguyen2025
    @robertnguyen2025 7 месяцев назад +2

    Epic..amazing..40 years of waiting for Dune Universe to come to the casual viewers..love rhis series sinxe i was a young boy ..was consider a nerd..but now Dune us everywhere..more books ..more.movies and tv series about it...

    • @Fourtune1
      @Fourtune1 7 месяцев назад +1

      I’m glad they’re not dumbing it down for people.

  • @Deadinside42
    @Deadinside42 7 месяцев назад +4

    You should have brought up all the Duncan Gholas. That was a neat side story that made him a very powerful man as well.
    Great video tho.

    • @dominicastricklin6929
      @dominicastricklin6929 4 месяца назад

      honestly I think the Duncan gholas were Herbert's real mystery. He planted Duncan as this ideal type of human, then put him through innumerable lives and deaths and ressurections...he has something parallel to the RM's genetic memory..but as it is all only Duncan, it's impossible for him to become possessed as an abomination the way RM could be. He develops the abilities of mentats, truthsayers, the works..which is facilitated by first Paul and then Leto II who sees the ultimate end of the Golden Path with Duncan resolving the human-machine enmity. This only being possible if Leto II both disciplines the BG and Duncan.

  • @The_boss_29
    @The_boss_29 8 месяцев назад +10

    Bro tryin na understand this shit is like trying to understand RCT/CE/DE but 100 times more complicated 😂.
    When he was talking about "the voice" i was just hearing sharingan and genjutsu but with the voice instead of eyes. I'm glad these guys did this, and i hope they do more cos i still am confused a little bit 😂.
    MBD 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @Jamietheroadrunner
    @Jamietheroadrunner 8 месяцев назад +10

    George W snorting spice made this video for me, lol!

    • @Peace2allppl
      @Peace2allppl 6 месяцев назад

      He's gonna be on some fuzzy math for sure😂😂😂

  • @BravoTwoDelta
    @BravoTwoDelta 7 месяцев назад +5

    To be a reverend mother, the BG needed to drink the water of life not OD on spice. Apart from some of details being incorrect, this is still an entertaining video

  • @johnnyscifi
    @johnnyscifi 8 месяцев назад +53

    No...the water of life makes a reverend mother

    • @dewaldkatzke625
      @dewaldkatzke625 7 месяцев назад +10

      Thats for the reverend mothers on Arakis

    • @MrEnjoivolcom1
      @MrEnjoivolcom1 7 месяцев назад +11

      @@dewaldkatzke625 The BG Mother Superiors become that way after going through the spice agony…the water of life/spice agony they’re the same thing.

    • @kcb342
      @kcb342 7 месяцев назад +9

      The water of life is just like a more concentrated version of spice

    • @bridgetboyle687
      @bridgetboyle687 7 месяцев назад +6

      Before the water of life, there were other agonies that created reverend mothers. They weren’t as successful as the spice agony. Not all sisters become reverend mothers.

    • @uknowbass
      @uknowbass 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@bridgetboyle687the first one being the Rosak drug named after the first BG. You’re right - many BG’s could not convert the various drug challenges and died. The poison has to be just deadly enough but not too complex to neutralize via thought and modifying the poison

  • @Twizzle91
    @Twizzle91 7 месяцев назад +1

    So basically the BG have all 3 forms of Haki and there advance forms, damn why didn't he just that smh...

  • @briandain8432
    @briandain8432 6 месяцев назад +1

    Just Subscribed. Great Video!!

  • @aswinvinodk5796
    @aswinvinodk5796 6 месяцев назад +3

    Wait a minute,the Benes process are all named with Indian words,in Sanskrit?

  • @mastalee1776
    @mastalee1776 8 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for clearing it up

  • @airporttrucker8529
    @airporttrucker8529 7 месяцев назад +3

    Mentats uses sapho juice not spice melange.

  • @nickwatts5269
    @nickwatts5269 8 месяцев назад +11

    dune is truly a
    complicated and
    intimidating series
    that truly has so
    many moving parts
    that is truly happening
    from through all at once
    for instance there
    is so much betrayal
    back stabbing
    a organization
    having way to
    many secret
    plans
    craving for power
    having to many
    agendas
    and manipulating
    so many people
    from throughout
    the whole universe
    along with so
    many other things
    from through the
    past 10,000 year's
    it's honestly pretty
    funny that part
    of the series
    really gives you
    some vibes from
    attack on titan
    when it's comes
    to eren getting
    the finding titan
    ability
    and seeing the
    future from within
    the process of it all
    and simply seeing
    the comparisons from
    paul and Leto the second
    from through there journey
    but all in all
    great video
    keep up the
    good work
    quick question
    would you ever
    do a video on
    the butlerian jihad
    or the
    dune encyclopedia

  • @HYOUNG-hb3wx
    @HYOUNG-hb3wx 6 месяцев назад +2

    What's really gonna blow everyone mind is when they find out they cloned Duncan, then they used him as a sex slave basically and how he is the real one.

  • @photokunstler
    @photokunstler 8 месяцев назад +5

    haha werdddd that Leto eggplant was too good for Jessica.

  • @cherylthommo1
    @cherylthommo1 8 месяцев назад +10

    Look what Helen Mohiam did to the Baron. That’ll learn him.

  • @playbookshowme484
    @playbookshowme484 7 месяцев назад +5

    Wow was Chapterhouse NOT been read, you did well enough for the 1st 3 books.

  • @silvesterstaloney8838
    @silvesterstaloney8838 6 месяцев назад

    your edit skill is awesome dude... 😂

  • @erichpizer1
    @erichpizer1 8 месяцев назад +2

    great channel.

  • @LOTUG98
    @LOTUG98 6 месяцев назад +1

    At the end of the 6th book .The real MVP is Duncan Idaho.

  • @toura8265
    @toura8265 8 дней назад

    00:00 "Benny Jizzred" 😂

  • @zeleoz463
    @zeleoz463 7 месяцев назад

    7:21 That conman is hilarious 😂

  • @uknowbass
    @uknowbass 7 месяцев назад

    10,191 - not 1,191. Good video!

  • @W1ngSMC
    @W1ngSMC 8 месяцев назад +7

    How did you manage to pronounce Siona as Sinoa? Amd Ghanima as Guyana? And the other names whatever you pronounced there...?

  • @Kamal-ho4om
    @Kamal-ho4om 8 месяцев назад +2

    Let's go MBD 🥰🥰

  • @alexpratt71
    @alexpratt71 5 месяцев назад

    Good video, but u dropped the ball at the end

  • @ChanningChristian-g8o
    @ChanningChristian-g8o 4 месяца назад

    They didn't lie..they need that time to make ...savior...

  • @isbestlizard
    @isbestlizard 7 месяцев назад +1

    mmmmm tapas

  • @char7927
    @char7927 6 месяцев назад

    0:35 I thought that test was just to see if he fit their definition of 'human'...?

  • @kmh4076
    @kmh4076 8 месяцев назад +3

    Omg that was def a spice trip 😂😂

  • @dagnirglaurunga1620
    @dagnirglaurunga1620 8 месяцев назад +4

    Lol bro, the pronunciations are whooping your behind.

  • @mollyfletcher7746
    @mollyfletcher7746 7 месяцев назад +2

    Say it with me now, SEE-OH-NAH.

  • @marniekilbourne608
    @marniekilbourne608 7 месяцев назад +1

    NO CRAP THEY ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Punkhazard069
    @Punkhazard069 6 месяцев назад +1

    Funny if you are a bengali, everything makes sense in dune.

  • @Chessheromusic
    @Chessheromusic 7 месяцев назад

    No Leto the second might be more what they envisioned

  • @flyingnorseman
    @flyingnorseman 8 месяцев назад +8

    Paul as a woman would be like Dylan Mulvaney. Not exactly attractive.

  • @jasongomez5012
    @jasongomez5012 4 месяца назад

    ❓❓❓WHAT ELSE❓❓❓
    Yes, but why are they so powerful??? What are their powers other than what has been seen in the movies??? Like their ability to change their chemical biology, know what is a truth or lie, can make others do what they want by changing their voice, and so on. Is that pretty much it or is there a whole lot more??? Like being able to move objects with their mind, create something from nothing, or something else???

  • @DefiantVodka
    @DefiantVodka 7 месяцев назад +1

    honored matres were fish speaker descendants, not bene gesserit descendants

  • @Talismaniac77
    @Talismaniac77 8 месяцев назад +1

    Google scytale irl. Also its pronunciation.

  • @Manananggal-oe8gs
    @Manananggal-oe8gs 7 месяцев назад +1

    Are u also Anime Balls Deep?

  • @jaysullivan6424
    @jaysullivan6424 8 месяцев назад +1

    🔥🔥🔥lets go

  • @Viv8ldi
    @Viv8ldi 6 месяцев назад

    I didnt get that one thing, is every Mentat one assasine? I thought they r human computers?

  • @nevilo1
    @nevilo1 6 месяцев назад

    That is brown sugar bro.

  • @nicknite8095
    @nicknite8095 6 месяцев назад

    That is 10192, not 1192.

  • @ambersummer2685
    @ambersummer2685 7 месяцев назад

    Damn no spoiler alert?

  • @deancalder8799
    @deancalder8799 6 месяцев назад

    Hrs also on acid

  • @ReiMonCoH
    @ReiMonCoH 5 месяцев назад

    Wrong.
    90 generations is only about 2500 years.
    Read the book again, you missed some things

  • @Boxanadu
    @Boxanadu 7 месяцев назад

    10191, not 1192.

  • @DriesduPreez
    @DriesduPreez 7 месяцев назад +1

    11:50 "Choose the sex of their babies." not change the gender of the baby before birth.

  • @vumo2422
    @vumo2422 6 месяцев назад

    Jessica could have just had another child that was a girl

  • @_YNV
    @_YNV 7 месяцев назад

    07:20 he is a rapi*st and currently on run

  • @shantoreywilkins651
    @shantoreywilkins651 8 месяцев назад +2

    🎉🔥⚡🎁
    🧑‍🔬🧑‍🔬🧑‍🔬🧑‍🔬

  • @mihneaiancu8753
    @mihneaiancu8753 7 дней назад

    yeah cuz they women

  • @tqrules01
    @tqrules01 8 месяцев назад +2

    The last line is easy.... its the woke... a terrible terrible thing that can rot away any franchise

  • @chickenlover657
    @chickenlover657 5 месяцев назад

    This title is a lie. Dislike.

  • @DaironGhost
    @DaironGhost 6 месяцев назад

    Idk how they lied Paul literally became the messiah he literally had powers so they really didn’t lie

  • @donny1960
    @donny1960 6 месяцев назад

    So much wrong in this presentation. Trying to be "cool" made this whole thing inaccurate. Pop culture and bad interpretation made this unwatchable. Try again when ..and if.... you grow up.

  • @kenk4170
    @kenk4170 6 месяцев назад

    Reverent mother? Lol

  • @zxc86zxc
    @zxc86zxc 5 месяцев назад

    Couldn’t they make worm farms to gather their poop? Normally we as humans, would have changed the DNA of the worms to keep them at normal size, build farms and that’s it…we would have poop farms on all planets😂

  • @Rider_of_the_Pale_Horse
    @Rider_of_the_Pale_Horse 6 месяцев назад

    The first dune movie was the best one ever made and it always will be the actor that played Paul in the new Dune movie was too effeminate also the storyline the way they made it in the new movie sucked and before you say something yes it was a good movie but the storyline still sucked

  • @JamesJones-jb3vx
    @JamesJones-jb3vx 6 месяцев назад

    IT IS NOT DOO-DOO!

  • @SK-S2N
    @SK-S2N 7 месяцев назад

    Give some gap between your sentences.

  • @Radxofficial
    @Radxofficial 7 месяцев назад

    paul>pa el.. Mean father el >saturn.

  • @WilliamONeil-u1u
    @WilliamONeil-u1u 6 месяцев назад

    This dune is not dune in the real dune Talia say he is the kwisatz sadarac that movie is much better because it tells the hole story Thay didn't break it in two this version sucked better effects though

  • @zaberfang
    @zaberfang 6 месяцев назад +1

    The BG reminds me of the CIA