@@NijosoSefzaps I always figured this was in response to shellfish allergies 2000 years ago. They saw a guy eat a sea bug one time and he proceeded to choke and die so the banned it outright.
"The creator, if he exists, has an inordinate fondness for beetles"- quote attributed to British biologist John Haldane, when asked if his studies had told him anything about the mind of God.
I can imagine the creator just quickly designing another silly little beetle when they're struggling for inspiration. Easy to just doodle one of those out.
Learned this quote from The Boilerplate Rhino by David Quammen, which I highly recommend. If you enjoy fine literature like The Anthropocene Reviewed, you'll probably also like this essay collection too.
Does anyone know what episode that's from? I LOVE weevils and now I really want to see that 😂 Edit: I just started watching compilations and I found it! My day is made!! For other curious weevil lovers it's in "my fav noise boys bits" posted by francis
What they're both overlooking is that Fish and Beetles are both just highly evolved worms themselves. The first Arthropods were really just worms that grew hard parts on the outside to hold everything together, whereaas the first Cordates were just worms that grew a little hard bit on the inside for everything else to attach to.
When you get down to it, basically all animals are just extremely derived worms. Worms all the way down. We all came from worms, and we all become crabs.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 not all animals, just all bilaterians. other clades like corals and jellyfishes have a completely different body plan, and they didn't evolve from worms. all bilaterians on the other hand have a body plan that is just a tube, and develop in segments. meaning they are all worms.
I lost my mom to a brain tumor last month, hearing you say life is heinous here in the context of evolution and the procreation of worms greatly warmed my spirit ❤ thanks
Not to be too heavy on main, but this is exactly how honest intelligent discussions happen. Well-informed folks rolling around ideas that they don't necessarily have all the information to support, to see how well existing information they don't know supports or doesn't support it. No 'gotchas', no 'only joking, unless', no bad-faith, no fear of looking silly or losing face - just two people tossing around ideas and cool information and learning from the way their own specializations and experiences and the others' interact. This is the good stuff. :)
I feel so smart rn. Whenever lindey said she was in Montana recently, I guessed she would hang out with hank. I didn't know we'd get a video from it too
@Sydney-Casket-Base ah, that's just me being an idiot and not double checking e vs a. I couldn't remember correctly apparently. So I'm dumb and can't even spell my incorrect spellings right
People like Lindsay, Clint Laidlaw, and all of the dinosaur RUclips people are why I LOVE learning about Taxonomy. Was never good at that stuff in school, but y'all made this stuff both fun and understandable
I worked in the zoology department at Oxford University during Covid, so was filming experiments and such for students online. There was one lesson about Beetles and I asked the professor's favourite beetle. He gave an answer that was normal and scientific. When he asked me, I said Ringo.
@@JoelCornah According to the BBC, we closed the loop in 2020 when citizen scientists decided to name a newly discovered species _Ptomaphagus thebeatle._
My favorite weird cladistic fact is that apes are monkeys. I used to be that guy who said chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys and got annoyed at parents at the zoo telling their kids to "look at the monkey" at the bonobo exhibit. But in the cladistic sense, apes ARE monkeys, just as we and whales are fish. All of which drives my kids nuts. They don't like having their categories upended.
@@jonharvey6277 definitely a good tip 😂 I was going to say that I see a similar issue in astronomy, with e.g. the Pluto thing (and with kids much younger than Pluto's... relabelling!), not wanting to accept that people just make up categories that work as well as they can...... and that's it. Things are fuzzy, things are also other things, because it's just us trying to put neat little labels on bits of an infinity variable universe
@@EcceJack Yeah, it's definitely a question of how and why we categorize things. Even the whole "is a hot dog a sandwich" thing is ultimately about how arbitrary our categories can be. And sometimes different categorization schemes can be useful in different ways.
Hank I don't know if you were aware of this but there's a delightful little book on the subject of what makes fish fish (and why there are no fish) by Lulu Miller which doubles as a biography of David Starr Jordan, famed student of fish, and triples as a portrait of grief and finding purpose in a meaningless world. It's called Fish Don't Exist highly highly recommend! One of my favorite books I've read this year.
I discovered Lindsay's stuff super recently from just a blind search for Biology/Evolution content and dang! So happy to see her here and know she's doing SciShow stuff!
Stephen J. Gould famously said 'there is no such thing as a fish'. The point is that we use the term 'fish' for species that have little to nothing to do with each other. There's a world of difference between a seahorse, a sturgeon, a tiger shark and a flounder. There are some fish that are more related to land animals than to other fish. All this to say that there is no such thing as a fish (that we know of).
Well he sounds like an idiot, like one of those "what is a woman" weirdos. We need to bring back the famous Polish horse definition (Everyone Knows What a Horse Is) to clap back at these dweebs.
Such a famous fact, they made over 500 podcast episodes about it. (No Such Thing as a Fish is a podcast about interesting facts. I recommend starting at the first episode, all of them are great.)
This is so cool. What an awesome opportunity to sit down and collaborate with one of your heroes. If I were Hank, I would have been out-of-my-mind nervous!
I can't imagine a better way to spend time than having a conversation on almost any topic with Hank Green. I love how easily the conversation flowed from one topic to another and that you will discuss anything. I hope you have conversations like this with your son (level appropriate) and continue to do so his whole life.
This was a collab I never thought I needed and I’m so happy it happened because I did in fact need it. You guys are the best! Thanks so much for doing what you’re doing!
Fun fact about beetles being the reigning champions species-wise. I’ve heard some really convincing arguments that wasps are actually the reigning champions. (Wasps being a paraphyletic group so maybe this is kinda cheating 👀) Bc wasps are what you generally think of when you hear the word (mud daubers, paper wasps, sand wasps, etc) but a huge number of them are parasitic. And parasites are generally really super species specific. Parasitic wasps parasitize many species of plants (galls) but also insects and eggs of basically any group of insects *including beetles*. So it’s not beyond imagination to consider we live in a world where there is one species of parasitic wasp per beetle which brings you to a tie. And then you add in all the parasites of other orders of insects, gall makers, and even further some exhibit hyperparasitism which is when a parasitic wasp parasitizes a wasp that has already parasitized an insect/plant. The issue is that these wasps are so unbelievably tiny and difficult to find that there’s very little know of them. Many species are known by like one single specimen so the theory is that it’s more of a sampling/observation bias that beetles are so well represented in the number of all known species.
I assumed when I saw this it would be with Clint's Reptiles. Whales being fish is a big thing he talks about, and unintuitive phylogeny in general. A lot of this is the type of stuff he talks about, he also has two videos on weird animal sex. You should really get him on, Hank!
I LOVE THIS! I’ve loved scishow and Hank for a while now and just recently got through watching Lindsey’s catalog. I wish there was an unedited version cuz that convo was lit.
4:12 "Do you think we could ever get back ... and become a water animal?" Why do you think some of the UFO stories involve them coming into/out of the ocean?
Because so much of the ocean bed and contents are unmapped, giving space for grifters, liars and psudeoscience to make money off of selling sci-fi. It's essentially the same as the God of the gaps arguments from antiquity
I watched the deep dive and was saddened that she never said "Rats!" but I got my wish on this short video! Thank you guys so much for bringing her on, it can only help both of you!
Greatest collab since a while !!! You guys rock ! Together you guys are nuclear !! Give 5 more min to that discussion and yeaaa no amount of cut would suffice XD
Famously, the catholic church declared beaver to be fish, so it could be consumed during lent.
Well if it isn't the thought emporium. Thought I smelled something.
Taxonomically, all mammals are fish. Therefore meat is actually fine during lent. The only thing you can't eat during lent is insects, I guess?
You need to get Lindsey on - its the cool new thing to do. Also we need to get her famous enough to replace David Attenborough for the new generation.
@@NijosoSefzaps I always figured this was in response to shellfish allergies 2000 years ago. They saw a guy eat a sea bug one time and he proceeded to choke and die so the banned it outright.
I thought it was capybara not beavers.
"The creator, if he exists, has an inordinate fondness for beetles"- quote attributed to British biologist John Haldane, when asked if his studies had told him anything about the mind of God.
I can imagine the creator just quickly designing another silly little beetle when they're struggling for inspiration. Easy to just doodle one of those out.
@@Jontman42 🤣
@@Jontman42 I think there's a Discworld bit on this theme, but he also uses beetle-creation as stress relief.
Learned this quote from The Boilerplate Rhino by David Quammen, which I highly recommend. If you enjoy fine literature like The Anthropocene Reviewed, you'll probably also like this essay collection too.
Ha! Beat me to it
“This’ll get edited heavily.”
Release the full cut!!!
oooo maybe we're gonna get a full cut Hank's channel video
I second releasing the full cut!!! On hankschannel or wherever
Release the Animal Sex Cut!!
YES PLEASE! Hank and Lindsay are two of my favorite creators, I would LOVE to listen to this whole conversation!
NO CUT ZONE!
Lindsay makes the best zoological content on youtube
That We Know Of.
It's not heinous.
Facts. That we know of.
she's good, but Clint's Reptiles is my GOAT
@@DJFracus YESS!! So glad to find someone else here who loves him!
For real 😂❤❤❤
lindsey in a vlogbrothers video is not something i knew i needed in my life but i'm so here for it
it is glorious
SERIOUSLY 10/10 COLLABORATION
Absolutely!
Yess I know right?!
it was not heinous.
IQ 50: Whales are fish.
IQ 100: NOOO WHALES ARE NOT FISH!!!
IQ 150: Whales are fish.
Stephen J Gould: There is no such thing as a fish.
Whatever identifies as a fish is a fish; don't impose your taxonomic labels on other species!
Kanye West is a fish
@@omri9325 I miss the old Kanye / the pre-Tiktaalik Kanye
@@GSBarlevCoelacanth Kanye
1:00 i cannot hear the word 'Weevil' and not immediately imagine Zac Oyama's face saying "The weevil in the steeple is found among the people"
I cannot see that image of Tiktaalik and not immediately think of Lindsay saying, "Read my *LIPS,* this is a _NO BONE ZONE!"_
oh my god that’s my favorite make some noise bit of all time i think
OH MY GOD YES its all connected
Does anyone know what episode that's from? I LOVE weevils and now I really want to see that 😂
Edit: I just started watching compilations and I found it! My day is made!! For other curious weevil lovers it's in "my fav noise boys bits" posted by francis
But what about the Doctor Who spinoff Torchwood
"I think you...have...to...live..." *reluctantly* "...in the water... to be a fish??" 😂😂😂
I disagree with that
@@MusikCassette I mean, he also disagreed with that a few seconds after lol
@MusikCassette Lol i think even Hanks brain disagreed with that 😂
What they're both overlooking is that Fish and Beetles are both just highly evolved worms themselves.
The first Arthropods were really just worms that grew hard parts on the outside to hold everything together, whereaas the first Cordates were just worms that grew a little hard bit on the inside for everything else to attach to.
When you get down to it, basically all animals are just extremely derived worms. Worms all the way down.
We all came from worms, and we all become crabs.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 I just love your comment for so many reasons.
every bilaterian has a body plan that is just a tube, and they develop in segments. meaning all bilaterian animals are worms.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 not all animals, just all bilaterians. other clades like corals and jellyfishes have a completely different body plan, and they didn't evolve from worms.
all bilaterians on the other hand have a body plan that is just a tube, and develop in segments. meaning they are all worms.
this dude's on another plane of thought. we're not ready for you
I see Hank and Lindsey Nikole. Win win.
I lost my mom to a brain tumor last month, hearing you say life is heinous here in the context of evolution and the procreation of worms greatly warmed my spirit ❤ thanks
I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope that you are able to look for the light-soaked days and accept them when they come.
5:54 If THAT was the "heavily edited" version, what adventure was the original???
This is also the only thing I took away from this video.
I was hoping he was going to say he put the whole thing on hanks channel
give 👏 us 👏 the 👏 unedited 👏 version!
I thought the Beatles' competitive advantage was to do with writing 4-chord progressions! You learn something new every day!
There are almost as many different Beatle chord progressions as there are species of beetles.
Beetles are friend shaped = success
THAT WE KNOW OF
There we go, had to scroll way too far to find this.
Lindsay working in her trademark "RATS" at 3:14 *had* to be intentional. (Thank you 🐀)
And it was greatly appreciated!
Also heinous! Can't forget heinous.
Since it came at 3:14, does that make them pi-rat(e)s? 😁
Im a simple man.
I see two of my favorite nerds in the same video, I click.
Hank: "This will get Edited Heavily"
Also Hank: Edits it in specifically
Not to be too heavy on main, but this is exactly how honest intelligent discussions happen. Well-informed folks rolling around ideas that they don't necessarily have all the information to support, to see how well existing information they don't know supports or doesn't support it. No 'gotchas', no 'only joking, unless', no bad-faith, no fear of looking silly or losing face - just two people tossing around ideas and cool information and learning from the way their own specializations and experiences and the others' interact. This is the good stuff. :)
I feel so smart rn. Whenever lindey said she was in Montana recently, I guessed she would hang out with hank. I didn't know we'd get a video from it too
“Lindey” 😭
@Sydney-Casket-Base oh, whoops 😅. Didn't even notice until now that I missed the s.
@ and the “a”
@Sydney-Casket-Base ah, that's just me being an idiot and not double checking e vs a. I couldn't remember correctly apparently. So I'm dumb and can't even spell my incorrect spellings right
Whenever you have to assure each other that the conversation is being edited you know you're really on one.
People like Lindsay, Clint Laidlaw, and all of the dinosaur RUclips people are why I LOVE learning about Taxonomy. Was never good at that stuff in school, but y'all made this stuff both fun and understandable
I worked in the zoology department at Oxford University during Covid, so was filming experiments and such for students online. There was one lesson about Beetles and I asked the professor's favourite beetle. He gave an answer that was normal and scientific. When he asked me, I said Ringo.
this is very funny !!!!!!!!!!!!! I like this joke a lot!
Ringo was the Beat in the Beatles.
The most weevil-like Beatle to be sure.
@@JoelCornah According to the BBC, we closed the loop in 2020 when citizen scientists decided to name a newly discovered species _Ptomaphagus thebeatle._
@@GSBarlev I wasn't sure whether I hoped this was real or a troll. Now that I know it's real, I can't decide whether I like it or hate it.
My favorite weird cladistic fact is that apes are monkeys. I used to be that guy who said chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys and got annoyed at parents at the zoo telling their kids to "look at the monkey" at the bonobo exhibit. But in the cladistic sense, apes ARE monkeys, just as we and whales are fish. All of which drives my kids nuts. They don't like having their categories upended.
Just a tip if you ever see an orangutan in a library DON'T use the m word
@@jonharvey6277 definitely a good tip 😂
I was going to say that I see a similar issue in astronomy, with e.g. the Pluto thing (and with kids much younger than Pluto's... relabelling!), not wanting to accept that people just make up categories that work as well as they can...... and that's it. Things are fuzzy, things are also other things, because it's just us trying to put neat little labels on bits of an infinity variable universe
@@jonharvey6277 CaptainAmericaIUnderstoodThatReference.gif
@@EcceJack Yeah, it's definitely a question of how and why we categorize things. Even the whole "is a hot dog a sandwich" thing is ultimately about how arbitrary our categories can be. And sometimes different categorization schemes can be useful in different ways.
@@jonharvey6277 It would be a Terryble mistake.
I was really down tonight mentally and seeing two of my comfort internet educational creators collaborating made me smile
Hank I don't know if you were aware of this but there's a delightful little book on the subject of what makes fish fish (and why there are no fish) by Lulu Miller which doubles as a biography of David Starr Jordan, famed student of fish, and triples as a portrait of grief and finding purpose in a meaningless world. It's called Fish Don't Exist highly highly recommend! One of my favorite books I've read this year.
I just bought the audio book because of your suggestion! Just listening to the sample was great, I’m so excited. Thank you!
Yes! This was exactly my thought. And Why Fish Don’t Exist is one of my all time favorite books!
I discovered Lindsay's stuff super recently from just a blind search for Biology/Evolution content and dang! So happy to see her here and know she's doing SciShow stuff!
Totally just clicked on this video because I saw Lindsay Nikole 🤣
THE CROSSOVER I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR.
I didn't put this on my 2024 bingo card, but I'm so happy right now.
IT"S A CROSSOVER EPISODE!
Nothing is quite as sweet as when you get two very intelligent people who have clear passion for knowledge in the same room and set them to talking.
I would love to read How Animals F*** by Hank Green, some day....
YAAAAS LINDSAY AND A GREENE TOGETHER?!? Never thought I'd see the day. So proud of ya, girl, you've come so far ❤
LINDSEY NIKOLE????? YEAAAAHHH
Hank wanting to write a book about animal sex is definitely on-brand for the channel that published the world's best video on giraffe sex.
Stephen J. Gould famously said 'there is no such thing as a fish'. The point is that we use the term 'fish' for species that have little to nothing to do with each other. There's a world of difference between a seahorse, a sturgeon, a tiger shark and a flounder. There are some fish that are more related to land animals than to other fish.
All this to say that there is no such thing as a fish (that we know of).
It's similar to the term vegetable, it's just a convenience.
Yeah! The argument Hank is making shows the silliness of the term "fish." Surprised this isn't higher up
Well he sounds like an idiot, like one of those "what is a woman" weirdos. We need to bring back the famous Polish horse definition (Everyone Knows What a Horse Is) to clap back at these dweebs.
Such a famous fact, they made over 500 podcast episodes about it. (No Such Thing as a Fish is a podcast about interesting facts. I recommend starting at the first episode, all of them are great.)
@@andrybak Yes! Made by the QI crew
Thank you so much for introducing me to Acorn Weevils!
They're my new favourite animal now!
In that case, this is for you:
ruclips.net/video/2ftGZcuNaWM/видео.html
Great moment of two exceptionally intelligent and fun people bouncing idea off each other. Thank you for the video. I adore you both!!
This is so cool. What an awesome opportunity to sit down and collaborate with one of your heroes.
If I were Hank, I would have been out-of-my-mind nervous!
Lots of love for Lindsay. Engaging, not only in content, but style too. And what style!
I love Lindsay so much that I excitedly watched the chimp war video before I even saw this on my feed
I can't imagine a better way to spend time than having a conversation on almost any topic with Hank Green. I love how easily the conversation flowed from one topic to another and that you will discuss anything. I hope you have conversations like this with your son (level appropriate) and continue to do so his whole life.
Yes, loving this collaboration!! Thanks Hank! And Lindsay!
So happy Lindsay is getting the exposure she deserves!
this was a treat, you guys are definitely near the center of my interest-venn diagram, great vid hank and lindsay
3:06 hank is realizing that hes not going to get the definitive answer like he wanted
I could watch you guys trade weird animal facts for hours :)
OMG THIS IS THE COOLEST COLLAB (that we know of) LOVE TO SEE YOU BOTH HERE!!
Two of my favourites nerd icons just having the most wholesome time together
Lindsay Nikole is awesome, this is the best collab! (That we know of)
This was a collab I never thought I needed and I’m so happy it happened because I did in fact need it. You guys are the best! Thanks so much for doing what you’re doing!
The collab I always wanted AND needed!
Thankyou. I'm so tired of idiots yelling at me when I point out "whales aren't fish, they're mammals" is wrong. Now I can just point them to you.
Whales are mammals. But mammals are fish apparently.
@steves9250 yep.
2:10 Hank, you're getting close to the argument posed by Stephen Jay Gould: there is no such thing as a fish. Shout out to Stephen Fry and QI!
I believe Hank has been on the QI adjacent podcast "No such thing as a fish".
@@Graelcase I forgot that podcast existed! Gotta update my podcatcher. 👌👌
This kind of collab stuff bringing me a lot of joy
Fun fact about beetles being the reigning champions species-wise. I’ve heard some really convincing arguments that wasps are actually the reigning champions. (Wasps being a paraphyletic group so maybe this is kinda cheating 👀) Bc wasps are what you generally think of when you hear the word (mud daubers, paper wasps, sand wasps, etc) but a huge number of them are parasitic. And parasites are generally really super species specific. Parasitic wasps parasitize many species of plants (galls) but also insects and eggs of basically any group of insects *including beetles*. So it’s not beyond imagination to consider we live in a world where there is one species of parasitic wasp per beetle which brings you to a tie. And then you add in all the parasites of other orders of insects, gall makers, and even further some exhibit hyperparasitism which is when a parasitic wasp parasitizes a wasp that has already parasitized an insect/plant.
The issue is that these wasps are so unbelievably tiny and difficult to find that there’s very little know of them. Many species are known by like one single specimen so the theory is that it’s more of a sampling/observation bias that beetles are so well represented in the number of all known species.
YOOO THE CROSSOVERS JUST KEEP COMING
I absolutely love her videos and her "...that we know of" phrase 😅
I love Lindsay Nikole! I'm so glad you two worked together!!
"Go Into the Water" by Dethklok agrees with your hope that we return to the sea!
Poseidon also wants us to "get in the water."
Yessssss! That we know of so far
"it's your brother hank" really threw me off, two extra words in there??? 😦
To differentiate from Dave
Perhaps they have met another Hank?
I love whenever you do these little side by side talks with people. You have such great charisma, and the conversations always seem so fun :)
I assumed when I saw this it would be with Clint's Reptiles. Whales being fish is a big thing he talks about, and unintuitive phylogeny in general. A lot of this is the type of stuff he talks about, he also has two videos on weird animal sex. You should really get him on, Hank!
I LOVE THIS! I’ve loved scishow and Hank for a while now and just recently got through watching Lindsey’s catalog. I wish there was an unedited version cuz that convo was lit.
People Are Fish would be a good name for a paleo / zoology podcast... 👀
Fish on Bicycles.
@pattheplanter that would also be an exceptional name 😂😂😂😂
There already is "no such thing as a fish"
@@CasaVipera YEAH WELL MY THING IS DIFFERENT 😭
5:29
The moment I heard the word worm I knew that this conversation would likely take place.
Mudskippers are fish in every sense, but they spend a lot of time not in the water.
Love this video. Raw form conversation between brilliant folks. Thanks.
I am so glad you too got together for a conversation!! I love you guys!! X
4:12 "Do you think we could ever get back ... and become a water animal?" Why do you think some of the UFO stories involve them coming into/out of the ocean?
Because so much of the ocean bed and contents are unmapped, giving space for grifters, liars and psudeoscience to make money off of selling sci-fi. It's essentially the same as the God of the gaps arguments from antiquity
The lighting looks better in these
Looking forward for your next upload!
Yes!!! Two of my absolute faves!! A crossover I hadn't even imagined!!!
Lindsey is absolutely awesome. I've not watched nearly enough of her videos...
OMGG THE CROSSOVER I NEVER EXPECT BUT AM SO EXCITED FOR I LOVE THIS
This was the greatest thing i didnt know i needed thanks both of you
1:15 they do sell maps on hollow knight.
I've been waiting for this Collab! It's so exciting seeing my favorite science people make content together!
YAY! Thanks for having Lindsay she’s so great!
Okay Lindsay is my new obsession and this is the crossover I didn’t know I needed.
I watched the deep dive and was saddened that she never said "Rats!" but I got my wish on this short video! Thank you guys so much for bringing her on, it can only help both of you!
I love this! Thanks for the collab!!!
These two together is just the best! ❤🙏❤🙏❤
This was a delightfully positive video. Thanks Hank, I needed this.
Yeeeaaaahhh Go Lindsay ! So glad to see you all around youtube ^^
THIS IS THE COLLAB OF A CENTURY I HAVE NO ONE TO TALK TO ABOUT THIS I LOVE BOTH OF YALL SO MUCH
Makes me so happy to see you both in the same moments!
I adore you both so much 😭 i didn't know how much i needed this
Yeeeesss. I needed this collab. Ty very much.❤❤❤❤
Greatest collab since a while !!! You guys rock ! Together you guys are nuclear !! Give 5 more min to that discussion and yeaaa no amount of cut would suffice XD
I LOVE that you did something together with Linsay Nikole!
As someone with a special interest in beetles this made me so incredibly happy!!!!!!!! Everything is beetles, to me
So awesome seeing you two in the same video. Made my day
Oh my gosh you guys collabed? This is the best day I'm so excited rn
YESSSSSSS! I HAVE BEEN HOPING FOR THIS COLLAB!!
I GASPED. so excited to watch this. absolutely love you both
This is the collab I didn't know i needed but now I do
I just love seeing Lindsay here!!!
Just watched Lindsey's sci show episode and now this what an awesome day