Starcraft 2 GRANDMASTER BATTLE ROYALE #12 - THE OCTODOME (ft. Missouri)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- We cram eight top level players into the arena. Only one will survive, and your main base just isn't going to cut it.
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15:41 changelings give minerals, but they cost nothing. Two players could team up for infinite income
Oh, infested terrans give even gas. This is broken
honestly i would love to see that abused xD
@@nonamedontcare4407 Infestors are very cost effective, so it makes sense.
But still: summoned units giving money and no scans for terran..........
That quite a big change.
I'll have that fixed
Noname Dontcare I feel like at least Infested Terrans and Locusts should give resources since they do actually attack. Maybe Infested Terrans shouldn’t guve 10 minerals AND gas, that seems like a bit much.
18:42 Winter looks away just as a player gets rekt.
Also, the scan nerf is BS. Just straight removes one of terran's biggest advantages late game, especially in a match with so few resources.
That's the point
The reason scan was nerfed was because winter was sensitive and offended by the noise.
Yeah, the "scan fix" really ruined this for me. Especially on a map like this with so few minerals. Although the getting minerals for killing units idea is really fun.
This was implemented by AVEX who created the mod. I myself had no say in that but there is a good chance I'll need the debuff or take it out entirely
Yeah, the scan cost is too much, if you gon nerf it then just increase the energy cost so you can still scan without minerals
@@Drikett1 How about making scan cost more energy, like 2-4 times more energy?
@@Drikett1 But on a small map like this, I don't think it would really even be necessary since no one is going to have, like, 10 orbitals like on Jurassic Puck.
i dont think scans should cost minerals or more energy. there should be no modding in battle royal. there should only be various maps and that is all.
[All] egor: Funny
[All] egor: dog
[All] egor: drink
[All] egor: bepis
Good idea to have less minerals, but so few minerals and no natural expansion made it necessary to ally. I think a bit more minerals, just one more base for each would be good. Also having more than one base makes defending a bit harder and so we may get a bit more aggression.
Infested terrans giving 10 min and 10 gas, changlings giving 5 min, scan costs min. This map mode needs a little fixing.
Hey Winter, how about, for the scan spam, instead of the mineral costs you make the scan cost 200 energy starting from like 30 mins or something?
or just make it a flat 10 or 20 cost
Upping the energy cost is a great idea. Idk if there is a way to increase it in the middle of a match though.
Well you could also just add 5 Energy cost each minute or so up to 200 energy.
The Minerals cost are however unfair.
Brenda : who in the heck agreed to these non-aggression pact but i refuse... REEEEEEEEE !!!
*starts spewwing and throwing spines at workers*
making the scans cost minerals on this map kinda makes it almost impossible for Terran to beat Infestors...
The scan nerf was too big. Without it, Terran have nothing against infestor. Or any burrowed unit, really. Think about it. What does Terran have for detection? Raven is expensive and ultra-vulnerable, unlike an overseer, and isn't even cloaked like an observer. Turrets are immobile, and die easily to any sort of ground attack or broodlords. The entire balance of detection for Terrans is based on the ubiquity of scans.
This change only ruined the game. Without it, the Terrans could have duked it out with the zerg. Instead, they had to cower in the corner in fear of being utterly destroyed by infestors they have no way of fighting.
Also, I think the bounty hunter mod should be changed to give payment for buildings, and also to allow scavenging bases of players who quit. This is especially necessary in such resource-poor maps.
The reason scan was nerfed was simply that winter was sensitive and annoyed by the noise it made.
It did feel unfair that Warren dumped all his minerals into spores which caged everyone in their bases and gave no minerals back.
Infestors are so much worse than they should be with this mod. The Infested Terran give +10/+10 to their killer, and you don't get anything for killing a neuraled unit.
Pretty much playing arcade. you get to make one single army, most players never get to expand, random mechanics in the game cost money which the players werent even informed of, game was decided before 10 minutes no comebacks no betrayals no surprises. overall pretty lame. i preferred the first few royales.
Where’s my boy puck?!?
just love how winter missed the massive yoinks at 18:44 :)
Okay the Terran scan thing. Did you handicap a race due to its game mechanics? Then make swarm hosts and infestors cost money every time they spawn free units. I know you can't make everyone happy, but... Thats just silly. Ignoring that, love the map, just maybe the main could use a handful more resources. People could have butt heads more and maybe actually have challenged the Green zerg. Example, babyshark only being able to make one army ever and that was it. Like yeah, played like an idiot and got punished, but it feels super punishing. Still a great video, and I know everyone has opinions and there's no making everyone happy. I love the idea that scans just cost more energy. That lowers the SPM lol. And also, maybe remind the players of the rules before starting. The one terran didn't even realize it was costing them money, so why even go for orbitals at that point, since mules dont help much when the orbital cost to profit over time ratio is nuked.
I know. It's quite amusing that winter says there's no rules in the beginning, even when there clearly some rules dictated by the bountyod itself.
I think some kind of observer like unit build out of the orbital for money on armory tech could be a good compensation for losing scan, so terran can still punish infestors that are out of position
Why are you nerfing scans and not infestors?
Because winter is salty and sensitive about the noise.
Id love to see this again but infestors being banned.
I think they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too strong and repetitive, it always ends on zerg having mass infestors...
Right? If the cost of scan goes up 5 minerals every time, neural parasite should too.
I also read in another comment that since they're using the Bounty Hunter mod, Infesters can give free resources with Infested Terrans.
Zerg is just so good! XD
I'll nerf the fk outta zerg in these matches soon
@@Drikett1 I'd advise caution when going on nerfing units and/or races. If infestors gets too nerfed then there's no way zerg can effectively deal with terran bcs.
@@MegaOgrady it was more of a joke but Other GMs, map makers and I all examine the comments so we can make the game more balanced. I do need ure advice 😊😊
These are some of my favorite videos but this one wasn’t up to par. Not a fan of the map at all. And while I am admittedly biased for toss and am annoyed by Terran turtling, even I think the scan nerf is ridiculous. If we are arbitrarily nerfing races then Infestors should get the same treatment. The cost of their spells go up by 5minerals per use. Infestors break this mode far more than scan.
I prefer the hands off approach on giant maps like in “World at peace”
The only reason scan was nerfed anyway is because winter was salty and sensitive about the noise it made.
This battle Royale was a very interesting one, looking forward to the future ones :)
I swear infestor is so OP. no other single unit in the game can do as much damage and has so much utility as the infestor. Raven can do this much damage, High temple can’t do this much damage.
Infestor is one of the units that makes me turn off SC2, it's boring to watch the tiptoe that ensues when this unit is in play. I think neural parasite mass infestor with broodlord support is just the definition of lame zzz fest.
@@Joppsta360 implying BC's aren't the same
BCs are pretty terrible late game unit imo, out of all the extreme late game "ultimate" unit options.
@@Joppsta360 in this situation, and most FFA situations, they're devastating. It's much harder to protect your mineral line in these huge games
The unit is just kinda broken atm, jus like when they nerfed the raven when people where roaming with 20 of them, that’s not how blizzard intended people to use the spell casters. They’re only meant to chuck a couple in the mix for key spells. Same thing is happening here with the infestor. With 20 of them you can basically destroy any army and that’s not how they were meant to be used.
Yes! Love theeeeeeeeeeese! So much fun while keeping og starcraft rather than arcade :)
If the scan is Nerfed that hard, the MULES should be essentially free to balance it
14:53 Biggest oof in anime.
I saw the thumbnail, and thought "well, I'll see another kill Puck or be killed by Puck game"..... Puck is not there, you dissapointed me ;-;
I'll leave a like to show my discontent
The scan merf is unfair. Blizzard made the three race equilibrated, there is a balance of power. Each race has it's own advantages and disadvantages. Zerg has free energy units, terran have map hacks, protoss have protossness... It's the state of balanced nature, it was a mistake changing this. Also minerals from free units are ok imho but the exploit within alliances of them should be sanctioned by arbiters
18:45 I love how he totally missed that
You thought it was Warren, but it was me! Warren Buffet!
when yellow was being revealed he gave the enemy total sight of purps base !!
OK, when yellow was wrecking the player for 6oclock with BCs, Winter was looking at 2 queens fighting each other for like 15 seconds.
Then, Warren was yanking Mac's infestors of the abbyss, Winter was looking away looking for some random pictures.
Players having inter-racial discussions in Russian, and Winter still looking away :D
Winter, pls! :D
PS
Warren was using some pretty heavy Russian swear words :D
Instead of the bounty hunter and various nerfs, can you make a map which gets smaller? This is battle royale after all.
There's a map in the terran campaign, where you run from a wall of fire. That could be a starting point. Terran would have a strong advantage there, but that can be countered if flying buildings start getting damaged after 10 seconds or so.
you sir deserve more upvotes, that what makes battle royales goin - map reduction
@@tarzanzabujca except that Terrans with their lift off command would have way to big an advantage in such a thing. how are the other races economy gonna come back having to completely continually rebuild mains and shit when the Terrans only have to rebuild a barracks and static defenses? Gee i wonder who wins that? Zerg essentially has no win chance there since Larva used to build units would just continually get swallowed up and it takes time for that larva to spawn once the hatchery is built.
Infested terrans give min and gas. The zergs shouldve just fed each other
free units should not be able to claim bounties, it is a bit OP for zergs, and scans should have a cost ceiling
they are not free units, and ontop of that most of them give a bounty anyways.
I think you should add a way for players to choose not to attack each other. I'm not talking about alliances. It would have a couple of limitations to make it interesting:
1. It's asymmetric. You can to not attack someone, while they are still able to attack you.
2. Wins aren't shared, naturally.
3. Other players are not informed if you turn attacking them on or off. Well, other than suiciding some units into your static defenses, that is.
This would leave more room for diplomacy, while still keeping betrayals and shenanigans intact. In fact, it could make those better, as you could have a player stealthily attacking someone who is set to not attack them back.
26:35 I wish Winter would sort out rules before even casting. Do building give bounty? Do kills to own units give bounty? Do free units? Free units drop bounty which means that two players could team up. I only wander if anyone could kill his own free units to get some income.
I always go for purple...was not disappointed despite getting a 3rd place pick
Also I swear Warcraft 3 music was playing at one point😂😂😂 god that brings back memories!
the soundtrack he uses is a mix of starcraft and warcraft/wow music
Has the 100% instead of 50% been tried before? It would be interesting to see a person winning really win. It will technically speed the game up as the person with most kills will just re-build their army so much quicker.
make scan cost 10 that way you can still use it late game. and infested terrines give reasourses
Spoilers:
I love how egor rewards Babyshark's attempt of a rescue by destroying sharks' starport.
19:34 Funny
DOG
*DRINK*
*B E P I S*
Scan nerf was way too much and puts terran at a huge disadvantage, suck it up if the noise bothers you, maybe you can disengage the noise of scans?. I saw several times that purple terran could have hit Warren's infrastructure while he was fighting on the other side of the map. But he was scared to because he couldn't afford to scan for infestors. Bounty mod is a cool idea and works well to promote aggression but could use some tweeking. Why do some buildings, ie. turrets, spores give minerals and others don't? Buildings I think should all be counted to give some resourses. This would encourage aggression and would give a new tactic of sniping off buildings if you have a small force and are trying to rebuild.
I will digest this fun time
I liked the shorter duration due to the map, but maybe a slight bit bigger would be even better. 1h game for example.
The only rule GM BR should have is "if there is a draw, then win goes to last killed players" so if 2 last alive players decide to draw, then win goes to 3rd, 4th and 5th places (assuming that there would be 3 rewards).
Not a bad idea
the map kinda sucks its too small and infestors are way to good and the game was decided in like the first 10 minutes
If the GMs learn to team then it could go anyway tbh
i love how people are saying oh it was over in the first 10 min when basically at any point before Warren steam rolled over the yellow terran (i forget his name) the yellow terran and Egor could have joined together and destroyed him. The yellow guy even said repeatedly when Warren was dedicating his units towards him for Egor to go. If he had pushed out he would have taken some losses but could have been much more effective. Instead he just turtled in his base and waited for Warren to come to him for the most part. Like OF COURSE once you have the other guy in the middle soaking up all the extra money he is gonna win when you just wait for him to come to you. Egor played defensive and lost.
Finally hell yea thank you winter love this battle royal shit !!! ;)
sort of dumb. free units give money and terran has to pay for scans... toss isnt paying for recall and zerg isnt paying for creep cmon.
weird...almost like in an 8 player FFA, one person getting 5 bases and everyone else having 1 base...means the 5 base player wins.
7:43 Illegal pun
Winter you missed vipers pulling infestors over the gap at 18:40
You have to make a bronze league battle royale
In bounty hunter if your unit dies do you lose those resources gained by the player who killed it?
Beast of the hill?
It obvious the Protoaa would get knocked out if they fight each other instead of the true enemy. THE ZERg
ooo John is playing. :D
college friend.
Nobody puts babyshark in the corner.
i really dont like this limit on scans.
warrens a god
Hey winter, how about GM Archon Battle Royale for ultimate multitasking aswell as clickbait potential?
submerge the first bases under lava like in WoL reaper campaign mission after 15 mins
I'm getting close to doing that tbh
@@Drikett1 XD
There's already a map like that released by Blizzard, I played it many years ago though
Then, you should make Chrono boost and Inject larva/Creep cost money too if scans cost money ...
Making scans cost money is a serious handicap for Terran, you remove their ability to see invisible/burrowed units ... making it easier for lurkers/dts/infestors being used.
More of that shit please
Hiiiiiii
Warren and Starkiller were annoying.. Egor was stupid..
I got my respect for the yellow terran and the red zerg for this match.
if people are insistent on mods then too make up for scan limit there should be free repair for terrans. but no mods is best
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NOOOOOO BABY SHARKKK !
Damm I really don't like Starkiller he is just kind of sitting there and got sec place
He didn't have much of an option after all his mutas died
He was just being a yes-man.
meme game, NA game :)
feels like agar.io
*zerg imba*
This was bad
I love these videos so much but for fucks sake, can Winter change the soundtrack please? I'm done with the same Blizzard's music loop.
this is one of the worst game modes ive watched. at 8 minutes one player controls all the expansions and the game goes for another half an hour for a very expected ending.
The other players let him win essentially. Didn't bother trying to see if anyone could gang on him
@@Drikett1 not that they had a choice. they each had one chokepoint out of their main base onto enemy creep and static defense. and if they didnt win the fight they wouldnt get to rebuild. not to mention terran losing a strong tool against mass infestor- scans. maps and modes like this just make for one sided, predictable games.
@@Drikett1 From the moment the infestors were out, the Terrans had no way of attacking. If they tried to gang up and do a full frontal attack from all directions after that point, they'd be collectively destroyed. The fact that they collectively have more supply is irrelevant when they are unable to even attack the enemy without spending a large amount of resources per attack.
It would be like limiting the zergs to just zerglings, and then expecting several of them to team up on a single Terran that has filled the center with tanks.
@@slugfiller I haven't seen a more apt comparison than this.
@@slugfiller Or you could see how Egor just left yellow terran to die instead of attacking while warren was distracted. Egor was the one wtih the army to rival Warrens and he basically handed warren the win by playing defensively the entire time. Your logic is so shallow. One guy played better then everyone else so he won. Yeah that generally happens when you play better then everyone else XD
Warden sucks
the one without backbone wins. is this politics?
you mean the one who had the courage to take the middle first where all the risk and reward was? And then after establishing control of the primary resources forged strong economic ties and diplomacy effectively to build a united front? Its funny you say he has no backbone yet he is the one who took ALL The risk in this game XD
@@WorldWearyAngel Well taking the mid is a part of the game. making allies in a free for all with 8 ppl is backboneless. it gives anyone with an ally an advantage. he chose to aim for that unfair advantage. also he lied over and over with what he s doing. well if you mean he has backbone you probably dont know what im talking about, or you got none yourself and believe this is strong. idk if i should care.
This game sucked, why don’t these ppl realize that warren is winning and attack him in joint attack... young kids who can’t think to make any sense of the situation/predicament they’re in? I don’t get it
It’s not like phantom mode where they don’t know who the enemy is.
A video I actually didn’t like of yours.
Well, because you have yes-mans like starkiller.