My problem was that they basically took the OG games, made it worse, turned it into 3D and didn’t really add anything new. Even platinum had more things added than BDSP. It should’ve been like ORAS where they added so much new things from mechanics to Redesigns to plot, that it basically felt like a new game but still felt true to the original… ORAS is how a REMAKE should be
And honestly, with the topic of Platinum...I still can't understand why they never make remakes for the third game of a group! Like, an Ocean Blue or a Thunderous Yellow or a Beta Emerald or a pending name for a Crystal remake or a Glistening Platinum or- Like, they went the extra mile of making game triplets in the old days, but only made doubles in remakes! I literally forgot Crystal existed because they only made HeartGold and SoulSilver
@@damienearl8302 Yeah I'm kind of surprised we didn't get Electric Yellow, Mind Crystal, or Delta Emerald, although HGSS does have a lot of stuff from Crystal like the Legendary Dog plotline to the point where HGSS is basically a Crystal Remake but still combines stuff from GS like the fact you can get Mareep since it wasn't in Crystal. I wish FRLG made it so that your starter pokemon follows you though but other than that FRLG was good enough.
I so feel this comment. I’m a massive fan of the gen 4 games and after playing ORAS I was so excited for this remake. It was alright but definitely underwhelming. I also really miss mega evolution and I was hoping they would bring it back in BDSP. Just a big disappointment though.
The rhetorical question where you asked if Pokémon devs just puts minimal effort because they know the games will sell millions of copies regardless, the answer is an astounding yes.
@@nutnut6161 Yeah i really liked Violet, argubaly the best game story wise alongside BW. Funny i remember how everyone used to think Black/White was trash when it came out and now it's viewed as a classic, think it'll be the same with Scarlet/Violet.
@@hithere9393 This will happen with every generation at some point simply due to nostalgia and the fact that no matter how bad these games are from a technical standpoint, someone somewhere is still gonna hold that game/generation fondly
The fact they managed to remake the Shaymin glitch and didn’t account for the fact that the main character could now travel in 8 directions rather than 4 in Snowpoint gym, allowing you to just bypass the puzzle by pointing the joystick up and slightly to the left/right is amazing
@@aRookieGod the base game logic was literally ported from original source and reskinned using Unity as a rendering tool rather than a standalone engine. As such, many of the glitches that plagued the originals were now magnified because you also got free diagonal movement in a design centered around horizontal and vertical tile based movement. There was no way to avoid the movement problem without keeping the character movement tile based, which was easy enough to do, but they also completely overlooked many of the bounding glitches that existed before regardless.
HGSS and ORAS have the most important mechanics to include into any remake going forward - HGSS and ORAS have *SO MUCH* content, with the latter even acknowledging the things that came out after Hoenn and redesign the region around that to truly make it feel like a modern retelling rather than being 1:1.
You make a crucial point. They needed to redesign Sinnoh to take into account the new graphics and fact you move around with a circle pad rather than a d-pad. The original dungeons are simply not designed for movement in 8 directions, and the less said about snowpoint city gym the better.
@@intergalactic92 Right. ORAS gave the player the option of using the circle pad, which was used for modern games around that time, or the retro d-pad, which was used for the original RS.
HeartGold and SoulSilver are still, and unfortunately always will be, the peak of Pokémon remakes. They're amazing games, the best in the series in my opinion, but it’s really sad to know and see that gamefreak just hasn't and isn't going to put that same indie love and passion into their mainline Pokémon games anymore.
@@joshuamtzchz2596 yess give it a 800 base stats 😂 plus I do hope we get new forms for the dragons two like maybe they looked different back then and when they turned into the orbs they changed to the designs we see today
As a Leafeon lover who always has a Leafeon on my team whenever I play platinum, you cannot imagine my disappointment when they decided to revert back to the “yeah you’ll get an eevee AFTER you beat the game” in BDSP :(
I started my journey in BD with a full team of 5+ IV mons haha. You can transfer anything so long as it's in the dex into the game. Only problem is, you can't really fully utilize the transfered pokemon until you have about 4 badges due to the gym/level system of this gen.
I had Jolteon this time around because I basically had a mono electric team, the guys available are some of my favourites of all so it just made sense. It does suck that the eons are reserved for post-game, and even if we have HOME now, at the time you couldn't even access certain features due to it not being available, and that was a huge blow to their reception I feel like, because upon release is when it's most relevant.
I feel like Firered and Leafgreen are underestimated as remakes so hard. They were fantastic as remakes. The entire Sevii islands were such a fun postgame experience, that I really missed in Let's Go. I really thought LG was the worst when it came out, because it added so little new stuff. But now that BDSP are a thing even LG seems fantastic, since they did add SOME new stuff. The art direction and style was great. The pokemon were to scale and had some texture to them. The best looking pokemon games on the Switch imo. Lackluster on new content, but way better than BDSP. Still, FRLG will stay my go-to for the optimal and most complete Kanto experience.
@@tpfoxCastro yeah, ngl I was in the camp that wanted Let's Go Johto. Still do; but they could better use their time and resources to actually polish the new games instead >.
FR/LG did a lot of things right by just keeping it simple(at least I think they kept it pretty simple), they let you experience the original game while adding in minor QOL changes and corrected a lot of the confusing things in the original R/B/Y. Adding in the Sevii Islands also helped link the R/B/Y story to the G/S/C one as well which is one of the biggest underrated things in the game. I feel like it's just not talked about enough because like 80% of the community didn't start playing until D/P/P and talking about anything related to gen 1 will get you the "genwunner" label and unnecessary attacks. Notice how there's some already in this comment section. Lmao
Heartgold and Soulsilver were the best remakes just because they allowed you to have 16 BADGES and can travel to the Kanto Region which NO OTHER POKEMON GAME can do. It was just insane to go back to the Kanto region after beating the Johto Gym Leaders and E4 and was unexpected to even surpass collecting 8+ badges.
@@coachbarnthat's really controversial, Kanto is so much more fleshed out in HGSS. I'd still prefer crystal but that's just nostalgia. That national park tune slaps, bops and rocks
The thing that disappointed me the most with BDSP is the lack of character redesigns. I liked seeing the characters getting refreshed designs for the current age. In ORAS, characters like Maxie and Archie got massive glow ups. I also love how Pokémon remakes may introduce new characters for certain features, such as Aarune for secret bases and Lisia for contests in ORAS, and Celio for the Pokémon Network Center, a feature allowing you to connect to other Gen 3 games in FRLG. BDSP didn’t have any character redesigns or any new characters for the new features. Imagine if we got a new character to introduce us to Ramanas Park, or redesigns for any of the characters in BDSP.
I thought Cynthia’s 3D model in the SM Battle Tree looked so good but BDSP Cynthia looked meh. They were wearing the same clothes but I realized that it was the lighting. The lighting made everything too bright and the textures looked too smooth.
@Madoka The whole time I played Omega Ruby I could not tell if Tabitha was male or female. I had to look it up on Bulbapedia, which says he is male, but his design still looks like an overweight short-haired woman to me and coupled with his name it's hard to shake that perception
I was hoping for some new looks too, but the thing that got me the most was how they didn't add any new dialogue to the gym leaders (at least that I saw, still haven't finished and would absolutely play PLA for another 400 hours before that) and I was really hoping that they would add some more personality because the bar is higher for characters now.
I was really disappointed with BDSP because the climax is kind of bland. The red chain breaks and then team galactic are just like “oh well, I guess that’s it” and leave. There was also no cutscene where the sky goes all crazy like in the originals
Interesting topic, even with FRLG as remakes of the original RGB/Y, they were able to add all the Pokémon(in the Kanto-Honnen Dex at the time) in the game and made them available to the player(s) buy getting multiple games.
They even added some areas in the form of the Sevii islands. Still isn't a whole other region levels of content, but hey it was post game new areas to explore, even main games seem to struggle with that area of content let alone remakes.
Even if FRLG didn’t add too much, they are the best way to play Kanto, HGSS is the same but adds tons of new content, ORAS I’d say isn’t the same but they’re still amazing great games that still do justice to RSE, BDSP do the exact opposite of all of the older remakes and the sad thing is Sinnoh is my favorite region
i think that everyone’s favorite pokémon generation usually being the first one they played makes a lot of sense seeing that pretty much most of all pokémon games following the same pattern, therefore the first one the person plays feels the most original and most memorable
First pokemon game I actually played was XD Gale of Darkness, then gen 4, 5 and every game since. I've played every gen/region in some form and Gen V is imo clearly bigger and better than any other gen
@@durpanda123 i think even people who dislike Gen V will generally admit that it is the generation that got boldest about committing to new ideas in a thoughtful way
What concerns me is the fact that multiple 3D iterations later and you can really see gamefreak and sub studios struggling in the 3D aspect of the development. Many decisions and assets in the game raise an eyebrow really quick to anyone with any sort of industry oriented graphics experience. From literal seams in the meshes (rather than UV seams) to blending multiple rendering pipelines, to how they handle asset management, it's no surprise that many of the core titles can't maintain beyond a 30 lock. Combine this with multiple other issues, and I genuinely think GameFreak has reached a point the name itself sells the series and as such they are focused pretty much exclusively on profit over quality. The reason for this is left to speculation, but something to keep in mind is Pokemon is almost if not 3 decades old now. 30 years is a long time for the creator to keep things up, and he isn't exactly hurting for money either. If anything from the 3DS to now has shown me anything about GameFreak, it is that they are indeed 2D devs messing in 3D space and just no longer really care for the same values they had back at it's inception.
Gamefreak aren't just 2-D devs, they are ass-backwards devs overall. Their games are almost all bugged; they don't code too well. And, yeah, since the merch and the anime took over the main sales, the games now serve as glorified advert for everything else. That's why the games are shit; you just roll around with the new Pokemon in the current gen for less than 3 years before a new gen rolls out.
my concern with gen 5 remakes is game freak will let ilca make them and we will end up never seeing any of the bw2 content again... bc if they couldn't add platinum content to bdsp there is NO WAY they're smushing together two whole games;;;;
If we are geting Gen 5 remakes I'm totaly aspecting BW2 to be made in to some sort of DLC. Platinum didn't have enoght content to have a DLC of its own, but BW definatly do. But who knows maby insead of that we might get a Gen 5 Legend Kyurem.
I hope they never make an actual remake of Generation 5. I'd much prefer an original game that takes inspiration from it, like Legends Arceus was (possibly another Legends game, but it doesn't have to be). Even something half-original half-remake like Let's Go would be better than repeating the BDSP debacle.
From what I've heard, Ilca wanted to do a lot more with the games and if you look at some of the concept art that Ilca made for the game, it looks way better than the finished product. The issue is that GameFreak really restricted what Ilca could do with the game, which is how BDSP turned into the broken mess that it is. Therefor, I don't mind Ilca making another mainline game, I just wish they were given more freedom to make their own interpretation of the Pokemon format.
BW2 remakes would probably be remade as separate games. They aren't enhanced versions of BW1 with some extra content like Emerald to Ruby and Sapphire or Platinum to Diamond and Pearl; they're direct sequels with a different story like the Johto games to the Kanto games.
Something I would like to see is a "Complete Kyurem." Since it's stated that when Reshiram and Zekrom split from the original dragon, Kyurem was what was left, I'd like to see what Kyurem supposedly originally looked like and could do
I always said don’t remake gen 5 just make a sequel or prequel if you prefer. Gen 5 still works fine and has A LOT of mechanics compared to other games, so remaking it I feel might hurt it more than help. But a sequel or prequel would work because we already have a sequel to the first game so why not make some sort of trilogy?
@@austinhuber8440 So long as we let Team Plasma rest Trilogy is fine, I feel like with how much it added it might be a better direction to remake BW2 instead. That or make a "3rd version" of Unova that uses the Unova of BW2 with the main plot of BW, having the Frigate be around but more of a planB (postgame you go meet Drayden with your dragon then LAZOR). At the start you would choose are from a city or countryside setting which character plots you follow (add a girl for Aspertia and new Gym Leader). Even better would be having the gyms scale and making them open, only needing 8 for plot but allowing you to get all 10 (11 if the Normal gyms have different badges or we pivot Lenora to Rock).
There are multiple games (not just Pkmn) where I've asked myself the question of "why can passionate unofficial Developers/Modders make these things that people want, and the company can't?". What I came up with is that 3rd word: *Passionate*. The unofficial people create these things in their own time out of a passion for what they (and others) want/enjoy, whereas, even if the company knew what we wanted...there's a handful of employees who (whether passionate about the games or not), would ask for thousands of dollars for every hour worked on these "Extra" features. It's likely not out of laziness that we don't get what we want, but them only going as far as they really "need" to. When it comes to remakes that were on handhelds like GBA or 3DS, i'm fairly certain it takes significantly less work compared to the newer games like BDSP, SWSH, and SCVI. They were typically working on weaker systems, with mostly pixel art and the occasional cutscene, if any. Stuff like that takes time and money for the developers, not so much for the passionate unofficial developer/modder who works on their own time and without a deadline in most cases.
I can definitely agree with this. I think GameFreak might even be burnt out with Pokemon at this point. We know that they've been trying to create other properties which have all ended in... perhaps not failure, but less than desirable games. I do think Arceus and SV were huge steps in the right direction as, despite SV's performance issues, it's one of my favorite Pokemon games but it could have been a lot better.
The answer is that passionate fans aren't required to make money with the game and don't have to deal with deadlines. Deadline are the current bottleneck for Pokemon games, because they need to be released yearly to keep up with the inertia of the entire franchise.
What I always wished for a remake, was that they actually change and upgrade the content. Like dont give the trainers the same pokemonn they had in the og games. We now have a vast amount of pokemon from each type. So why give the trainers all the same team ??? And tbh I actually prefered ORAS over HGSS. As they didnt address Johtos biggest flaws in the leveling curve in the mid and late game.
Personally I would love to see the Pokémon Black and White remakes include their sequels as DLC. Important to remember that Pokémon White 2 actually takes place after Pokémon Black because you received the legendary dragon that N had from the first game (which in black it was reshiram). Not only would you get both legendaries, but it’s also worth considering that Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem are technically parts of the same dragon. So if it was DLC (or post game content) we could finally get to see the dragon they make when all of them combine. Since the characters you play as in Black 2 and White 2 are different from the first games, maybe it could be one of those separate story things, and at the end of black 2/white 2 you fight the team that you finished with in the first games. Ultimately I think it would end with you being able to play as either of them and of course combine your Pokémon storage. How would you guys go about adapting the second games? Would you perhaps do what was originally done and have them come out separately?
To give credit where its due, ILCA knows how to make battles more difficult. Noticed more trainers use held items, and the all the new E4/Gym leader rematches? You can even fight major characters, including Team Galactic!, in the Battle Tower. My favorite addition is the new Dawn/Lucas fight; something I always wanted! Too bad it's only on weekends post game and not during the story, but still a great addition. BDSP just needed more stuff like this.
@@kirby401 There's ways to minimize it, but it is annoying. If you fight most optionals, then your team will be friendly by mid game. Besides that, it's still challenging.
FireRed and LeafGreen: Enhanced experience of the original Red and Blue. Used the same engine that Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald did. Added an entirely new sub-region in the Sevii Islands. HeartGold and SoulSilver: Took everything great about Gold and Silver and cranked it up to 11. More than enough new features to keep you interested and playing for months on end or even longer. Used the same engine that Diamond, Pearl and Platinum did. Contained almost all of the additional content from Crystal. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire: IMO the best remakes we've gotten so far. All the best of Ruby and Sapphire and then some on top of that. Plenty of new features. Mega evolution. Soaring. DexNav. Took content from Emerald and made it even better, introducing one of the best characters we've ever seen in Pokémon, Zinnia. Used the same engine that X and Y did. Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee: Techinally remakes of Yellow which I believe was a great idea. Switched up the story of RBY ever so slightly which makes the games feel new yet so familiar. Introduced Go catching mechanic to main series Pokémon which while controversial, was a hit for many players. These games don't do anything that really blow you away but they're solid remakes. Used (seemingly) the same engine Sword and Shield did, though Let's Go arguably looks a bit better than SwSh did. Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl: These games do not enhance the experience of the original Diamond and Pearl. People will argue that they do but I just don't see it. Many of us believe that the original games look nicer and have more charm to them than these remakes do. They do not use the same engine as Sword and Shield, which is a first for Pokémon remakes to not use the engine that current gen games do. The games barely contain any Platinum content and none of it is what any of us wanted. Almost every single prior remake has included the majority of the 3rd game of that gen's features and content despite being named after the first games of the generation. The games are buggy, unpolished and were obviously released in a completely rushed state. I don't know what more to say about BDSP other than I'm tired of hearing the same old defense for it. "It's a Diamond and Pearl remake not a Platinum remake!" has to be the most annoying one of all. Sometimes I feel like we overhyped the whole gen 4 remake thing but I much more feel like they just failed to deliver on something we had bigger dreams for.
DBSP definitely didn't live up to the hype. They honestly felt more like difficulty enhancement hacks of the original Diamond and Pearl with some quality of life improvements and graphical updates for the Switch over 'the original games'.
Personally for me its the chibi and the way the character / following pokemon walks. If you go near a ledge, it automatically counts as two steps so you get sucked in and jumped off a ledge, this is specially hard when you are trying to go up to Mt. Coronet. Like come on ILCA, of all the things you had to make it suck its the movement and your walking buddy getting constantly stuck. Also the standard formula is basically following the current gen graphics but BDSP, instead of following the better Gen 8 graphics, they didnt. Of all the remakes, this one was not made with love, this one was rushed to make a quick cash grab before PLA. Gamefreak should not have gave it to ILCA to handle. I'd rather not them have gen 5 remakes if they are just going to chibify it with the bad pokemon following animation.
@@unscripted483Almost any childs mind would have interpreted the chibi 2ds as real humans tho - with 3D, everything seems way more realistic so it feels like you are actually looking at Chibi People instead of real people. The kids who played DPP will never be able to see modern Sinnoh the way they imagined it as kids this way.
Diamond and Pearl have a special place in my heart, first mainline pokemon game i played, and i played it a lot. I was exited for years about an eventual remake of my childhood game, and the thought of diamond and pearl remake on the switch and experiencing the sinnoh region in modern 3D graphics made me so exited. It was a nice remaster, but compared to what we expected compared to previous remakes, it breaks my heart to know I will never experience sinnoh again like i imagined for many years...
What I love about the Generation 5 games are the way they handled the scale of the environment with the chibi pixel art. If they use the style from Scarlet and Violet, I'd love to turn the camera around to be in awe when looking at the bridges like Sky Arrow Bridge, and the highlight settlement Castelia City. This city in particular makes it feel that this city is surrounded by tall buildings. Do it in SV style with free camera, angle it up and you can feel you are in a metropolis.
What I liked about Gen 4 and Gen 6/7 was that there was a lot of cross play between generations. You could be in Hoenn playing against someone in Kalos. The Switch era has kinda sucked in this regard. We technically have 4 regions and very little cross-play.
I think the chibi art style bothered me the most, since it was the first thing I saw. It just felt so off in relation to the current gen and so similar to the older gens that it left me feeling a little uncomfy and couldn't pay attention to anything else. It was so bad I had to drop the game.
Agreed, I think they focused too much on how the original games looked with the 2D sprites having larger heads, but they did that bc of detail restraints with the pixels. When we played those games, we always imagined the characters with better proportions, I don't think anyone would've preferred imagining the characters as chibis.
@@brondermody3409interesting take. I always saw them the opposite way so I personally found them keeping the chibi style in the overworld to be charming.
@@brondermody3409I’m with you on that. Everyone trying to justify the chibis by pointing out that they were "always like that" seem to miss that point. In 2D it’s due to the top down perspective it is not a literal representation of what’s happening, you don’t get to see what they really look like until you enter battle or a cutscene and jump down to a first person perspective. In 3D this doesn’t work, especially when half the time you are staying in Chibi form for a zoomed in first person moment like the opening scene. It becomes the reality rather than a perspective, and makes them becoming well proportioned for battles seem like a dream. And for me at least, it’s not just the giant funko pop heads. It’s the chunky feet as well (which definitely were not in the original). They just look like toys.
Short Answer: minimum of new conent. Look at heart gold/soul silver, black & white 2. This are decent Example of what pokemon should have. Also, they cut Content from platinium.
I feel like all the heart and soul that should've gone into BDSP went into Legends Arceus. Arceus really feels like the celebration of Gen 4 that I wanted from The Sinnoh remakes.
Honestly I blame the whole fanbase and the failure of Gen. 5 for what Gamefreak has become today. Since the failure of Gen. 5 games, I assumed that this marked a voice for Gamefreak to _"Yeah let's not try something new anymore"_ If only y'all just actually gave Gen. 5 the love and recognition that it deserves since day 1 and not smash it down just because that you can't steamroll Ratatas anymore for the 19482395897th time maybe... *_just maybe_* Gamefreak will be encouraged to always try new risky stuffs and will definitely still be the same high-quality maker game studio that we know and loved. But it was now a long time ago, all in the past. It was already done. I am worried about how they will screw up Gen. 5 remakes.
@@moisesezequielgutierrez Are we speaking of the same games here? Lol. Gen 5 is very loved, nor did it stop them from creating new stuff. Gen 6, megas & primal evolution, Gen 7 Z Moves and even islands instead of gyms (something new! wow), gen 8 gigamax, gen 9 crystallizing Pokémon. You're very wrong.
@@mainexploit You don't understand.. When Gen 5 was first released, it was gamefreaks attempt at trying something new and getting pokemon off to a fresh start.. They made 150+ new pokemon and removed the national dex until the post game, basically forcing you to get used to the newer pokemon because of this a lot of people immediately didn't like gen 5 as nostalgia is a huge factor for a lot of Pokemon fans and it caused people to not even want to play it, they didn't even give it a chance and immediately assumed it was terrible. As a result the game did not sell much at all, and overall was a failure at the time which was a shame because Gamefreak put more effort into gen 5 than they have done any game prior to the series Gen 5 had the most new pokemon, new animated sprites in battle with an endearing artstyle, smooth and impressive use of the camera angles, arguably the best story in the series, some of the best music in the series, well written characters, and so much more the games had to offer But did that matter? no because everyone assumed the worst of it, everyone hated it because it tried to be different. It was then where Gamefreak realized that putting effort to make the games feel unique and fresh isn't worth it, and that as long as nostalgia is the main focus, they can just make another crappy remake, or have pikachu available in the region and it will sell like hotcakes, they're lazy now because when they did put effort into making something new, people hated them for it Gen 5 was so good it destroyed the franchise
@@mainexploit key word: gen V *is* very loved. _now_. that was far from the case when they were new games lol it was only after X&Y, aka too late, that people started to sing the praises of Gen V
if they mess up generation 5 remakes imma be so annoyed. especially when it comes to the story. they story in black and white is the best story theyve ever had (scarlet/violet are close) and if they mess it up, it could ruin generation 5 for a lot of ppl
Having played all the way since the originals, I loved Gen 1, but Gen 2 is my favourite generation. Fixed a lot of the really broken stuff about Gen 1, and added so much cool stuff like day/night cycles, held items, dark and steel type and then on top of that it had a killer soundtrack and added Kanto as a bonus region. HGSS were also incredible games that captured the spirit of Gen 2 to perfection. Honestly though, all Gens, 1 through 5, have their virtues. Things unfortunately went downhill with the transition to 3D and Game Freak haven't got it figured out yet.
@@KingZoroark So, I feel like the next remakes will actually be the "Let's Go" version of Johto, it would follow the stream of remakes, being original gen times 2 for the first set of remakes, then the gen that first set is in times 2 plus 1, meaning gen 2's next remakes is in Gen 9 and Gen 5's first remakes will be in Gen 10.
@@gamerperson9965 I would actually enjoy a let’s go johto style game. The only thing I wonder is will there still be kanto included since we already have a kanto let’s go title?
i was crushed by these remakes, idk why we all pretended it was good when it first came out. it’s only decent because it’s based off of something amazing
If they make Black and White remakes I agree with a lot of your points, but I will still die on this hill I'm standing on, which is that they need to have the option to switch the EXP share off, and, if they go with a free roam set up like Scarlet and Violet, then there needs to be some sort of levelling up system for the Gym Leaders, so you don't end up missing one, coming back at Lv. 50 and discovering you have a team vastly over-levelled for the Gym Leader with their Lv. 17 main Pokémon. Black and White remakes would need features from Black and White 2, I'd really like to see an upgrade to the movie making experience from those games.
I can't say I didn't have fun with BDSP for a while, but compared to FRLG, HGSS and ORAS which each brought in a load of new content and features, fixed a majority of the issues of the originals and maintained compatibility with the other games of that gen, the game didn't feel like "Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl" but more so just Diamond/Pearl HD. Whatever is next, I just hope the main series games of a generation aren't nearly as disconnected from each other as SS and BDSP were.
I’ll never understand why they handed such a highly-anticipated project to a new company. They could have had 2 amazing Sinnoh games and they squandered it.
@@JoAndGetFat Swsh and SV were way more important than a remake project. If they wanted to have 2 companies working on the same IP like CoD then giving up on BDSP was an obvious choice to make
If Arceus and BDSP were combined into one game, ie having the world of BDSP instead of emply old Hisui and the gameplay and difficulty of Arceus instead of baby's first Sinnoh adventure it would've been the best remake ever
Platinum was one of my favourite games to play as a kid, and I was so excited to play the remakes. As much as a I love Generation IV, the remake games didn’t have the same charm that the originals had. I also loved contests, and was disappointed they were reworked into a shell of its former self.
I know that it sounds mean, but i think its kind of funny how a bunch of fans were complaining and demanding for gen 4 remakes for years, only for them to be really crappy when they finally come out.
The Pokémon remakes before BD/SP were amazing. They strengthened pretty much every aspect of the original games while adding new content, not taking it away. While I haven’t played AS/OR or BD/SP, FireRed, LeafGreen, and SoulSilver are some of my favorite games in the series. They made games that were already amazing so much more enjoyable for both new players and old. I can only hope the Gen V remakes aren’t treated as another minimal-effort cash cow.
I think part of the reason fan-game makers can appeal to the community more is A. because they're not working under strict rules like ILCA and Gamefreak are, so they're more free to be creative and add what they want to the games, and B. because Pokemon isn't solely for the online fanbase. It's a global IP that people of literally all ages play, and so when making a game, TPC needs to be able to cater to all those communities at once, not just the online community
I can't help but think that Nintendo and Gamefreak could have their games cater to different audiences but they don't because why would they when they sell anyway? Something as simple as a difficulty setting would be a start or have a game focussed on double battles (something we've not seen since XD). Perhaps have the latter (and other modes) as DLC so they can add to the game instead of using it for content that would have been in the base game if it was finished
It works as a remake in the sense that they literally made the game again for a new audience that didnt get to experience the originals. The thing is that unlike every other remake it doesn’t try to be anything more than the originals where as every other remake went above and beyond to be far more than the originals were, adding the new pokemon and new features present in the current generation that werent in the originals
I even prefer playing Firered and Leafgreen than this shit. The 3rd gen remake were the best possible for the gameboy. HGSS and ORAS are until today my favorite Pokemon games of all time surpassing anything after ORAS. I felt Sinnoh so much and waited years to get disappointed. It hurts 😭
Its just scary because GameFreak got away with such terrible remakes. These remakes broke my childhood dream. I was 12 (at the time of HGSS) when I wanted the remakes for DPPt and I got these as a 24 year old. 12 year old dreams crushed completely. It took me almost 6-7 years to appreciate BW & B2W2. They were brilliant. If they give the remakes for those games the same treatment as BDSP, it’ll really be the salt on the wound. That especially because I know by the time BW and B2W2 remakes come out, we will still suffer from unfinished 2fps, game crashing main titles. Isnt it sad to receive so many comments like this? I feel like no one, including me have any hopes left for GameFreak games.
I didn't play any pokemon games after finishing Sapphire. Original Sapphire, not the Alpha one. It was only last year that I got back into Pokemon, and Brilliant Diamond struck the perfect balance between the familiar 2D vibe with modern and 3D touches here and there. It reinvigorated my interest in the franchise, and for that I continue to be thankful. So whatever else it is for other people, it was a great bridge for bringing me back from my nearly 2-decade hiatus.
I was so excited for these remakes, only to never finish my playthrough months in. I think my experience with ORAS/HGSS really set the standards, even as one of the few people who was ok with the game being much more true to original. I think a major problem was that (or so I've heard) they took the codebase for the DS games and just added on some art/control improvements. Havent tried myself, but a good chunk of people were reporting all glitches from DPP were possible in these new switch games. Even though I love that I can do these glitches on modern console, I think it seriously limited the amount of updates/content they could include for the worse.
Gen 5 is my favorite generation of Pokémon, it wasn't my first game of the franchise but definitely one I played alot growing up as a kid. One thing I'd want to see in a Gen 5 remake is the re-introduction of mega evolution. Dynamax is a 3 turn long joke to me that's easily cheesed, and while I find Terra Pokémon interesting with the idea that a Pokémon could be ANY type and leads to alot twists (like a Pokémon that's weak to fighting turning psychic to turn the tables) that's all it really has to offer. Meanwhile Mega Evolution allowed a Pokémon to change typing, stats, abilities, all while having a generally awesome looking design to them. This idea isn't mine for sure, I'm pretty sure I got this idea from somewhere (or someone) else and just can't remember where I found it. Anyways i really like the idea of Gamefreak going back to pixel art but keeping it within a modern engine. 3D models of all our favorite Pokémon and environments are cool don't get me wrong, I loved the 3DS games but I don't want to see Unova come this huge sprawling world to free roam or end up becoming this 3D environment where every texture looks like someone waxed the hell out of it. I'd love to see Unova pixelated but perhaps more detailed, it could keep the same style of the old game but not need to keep it's limitations. I'd rather not there be dlc at all and let there just be the game by itself. Though if there was to be dlc, we've seen Kuryem, White and Black Kuryem, but never the Kuryem who is whole. A side story or a dlc based around the mystery and story about Kuryem becoming whole again would be awesome! Getting to encounter a Pokémon we have only been able to speculate about and having the chance to fight or even capture it would be amazing!
I would really would want a BW remake in the current SV style or at least similar. I'm imagining the huge Castelia City, lush routes, and all the grand bridges. I hope they learn from recent games and take their time to optimize and have performance at least on par to SWSH. But one can only hope.
Pokemon died the moment it moved to the Switch. Missing features, missing Pokemon, lame villains and sloppy programming with tons of bugs. I'm gonna stick with Gen 1-7 and the fan games from now on.
I was hoping for a remake on the level of ORAS. The faithful remake is alright for what it is, but I wanted the new character models to have a truly fresh playthrough of DP. Also, they didn't give us distortion world, and the Platinum version of the endgame zone.
love this vid. ORAS is definitely the perfect baseline for a new remake and i'm a big fan of how you portrayed that. subbed and looking forward to more videos like this!
@@sylvyboi so actively removing features like Battle Frontier and numerous other things while being lazy about bringing back stuff from old games is being praised as different. Okay bud
I think they should do a B/W 3 when they revisit gen 5 rather than a remake since there's so much content.......and keep that same energy for future old gen revisits (gen 7 in particular)
I find BDSP to just be an overall downgrade to DP. Maybe besides the surfing speed, I guess. The forced EXP Share is an absolute game killer. It works perfectly well in an open world like Legends Arceus and SV, but it is just detrimental when it comes to the old style. I was struggling so hard to keep Rhyhorn on a similar level to the rest of my team. I had to spam rare candies and always use Rhyhorn in front of my team to have it keep up with the rest of my team that I wasn't even using. You could argue I should just box my team (people have argued this), but then I might run into situations where I need to switch or risk losing the fight because I am up against some water type or something.
I was way too young when I played the previous games (I stopped at White when I was in middle school), so I don't feel the downgrades and in fact I really enjoyed Shining Pearl. But I can see the disappointment when compared to previous entries.
You made a lot of good points in this video. One of the major reasons why I didn’t buy the Diamond and Pearl remakes is because the character and Pokémon models look like that of chibi mobile game. They look very bland. It’s as if they didn’t even try to put any effort into making these games. Its a shame really. I will definitely be buying these games used. I made this decision since Sword & Shield since, the Pokémon company & GameFreak barely care about innovation or change, then I won’t support them. The only game so far that shows a major sign of change and innovation is Legends Arceus which is so far in my opinion better than bdsp, sword and shield and scarlet and violet. Also, I’ll give them some credit for Scarlet and Violet especially for trying the open world concept. P.S. I had no clue you could capture Rayquaza in Heartgold. I’m actually shocked by this reveal. I can’t wait to go back to my Heartgold save file and try this out. I thought the only way you could obtain an rayquaza was by capturing it in Emerald and transferring it over. 😭
I find it so weird that Megas are considered a generation gimmick now, considering Megas were in the games for 2 generations I know sun and moon didn't focus on them but it did feel like they were here to stay and sun and moon were just focusing on another new mechanic
Just curious if you did any actual research on the company and what their plan for the games were. They wanted all the platinum content and they also wanted it to be in the style of arceus, they openly admitted this and released their art books and said that they were told not to make those games, then content was directly ripped from what they wanted to do and used for arceus instead it was not Illcas fault do not blame them
Wow, that's really interesting! I had assumed from the beginning that the devs were given very strict guidelines, I'm not surprised to hear I was right. It's frustrating to know what we could've had.
This game worked for me because Pearl was my first game, so I was happy to revisit that experience. But I couldn’t help feeling disappointed, because throughout the game I started to realize it added basically nothing. No new post-game quest, no new mechanics, not even Dynamax/Gigantamax, to my surprise. We had better hope this isn’t a new theme with GameFreak
While I agree with the criticism you gave BDSP, I think you may have forgotten to mention the rematch with the Elite 4 and Cynthia, where their teams are both EV trained and holding items to resemble a stronger, almost competitively viable team. Definitely reminded me of why people fear this elite four, and especially the champion, from the original games.
As a fan of Platinum, the Gen 4 remakes really disappointed me. Unlike HGSS and ORAS but it is what it is, still at least there are rom hacks that make it possible as to what fans really want and I'm thankful for those people for putting in the effort of remaking it
can't say much on the topic as I skipped gen 4 and 5 (except Heart Gold) and I couldn't really get into BDSP much. I think I got 3 badges only? I still want to go back and at least finish the league, but well... time has passed and now I've got 140 hours into Violet. Also hearing about all its problems and how it doesn't include a lot of the Platinum content you'd want to experience, especially when playing it for the first time, has really lowered my motivation for BDSP. Finally, I would have loved to get Shaymin and Darkrai but I think I missed the events. I really dislike the old-fashioned distribution events and would have liked them to move on from that and add the mythicals to the game. They're not fun to collect, they're years of waiting an utter pain when you miss them. And speaking of legendaries (and mythicals), you do hit the mark - I indeed wish you had to work for it too. Explore caves, do puzzles, etc., like in the old days. Just codes aren't fun anyway
I agree, they really did miss the mark. Omitting moves made in these games originally also screws over the integrity of BDSP. Also, why not include new alternate forms like past remakes did? Let's Go had the Alolans, FRLG had the new Unowns, and ORAS has new megas and forms. There's really no excuse.
BDSP should've had its own Delta Episode involving Giratina and the Distortion World. I understand not wanting to mess with the pre-Hall of Fame story from Diamond and Pearl in what are ostensibly remakes of Diamond and Pearl (no matter how many Platinum quality-of-life adjustments they brought over), but that doesn't mean they couldn't have repurposed elements from Platinum's story for a post-Hall of Fame storyline. Speaking of unfairly ignored Platinum content, why don't we have any post-game storylines involving Looker or Charon? Heck, the latter even got replaced with a nameless grunt on one of the special box wallpapers; leaving his silhouette on it then properly introducing him after the credits roll would be such delicious foreshadowing.
It really is disgusting the treatment they gave such a beloved generation. Those of us who’ve played since gen 1 still remember the jump to the Nintendo DS as the single most significant advancement arguably in pokemon history. Granted the graphics were not a massive improvement from Emerald but with the dual screens, the wifi and other connectivity features and the shift to a more 3D look, it FELT revolutionary. Gen 4 deserved better.
8:22 I don't know to wich degree this is true considering how broken d-max and g-max were. VGC still allowed it, but in Smogon it was banned from OU and all tiers below and was heavily limited in Ubers, so I think they should've advocate for bringing back megas and z-moves instead.
Great video, my only gripe is that sometimes the transitions are soooo loud. It may just be me, but it literally blasts my ears and then everything else is fine. For an example the transition at 4:18 is so loud, but other than that this video was great.
@@daanstrik4293To me, the whole experience could be summarized as: "Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, but in 3D and the Elite Four + Champion are more difficult now". Other than that, BDSP got nothing new or original to offer. Should have saved my bucks for better future Pokemon games ;(
People find this bad, because they played the original version. Most did not play the orginial gold and silver, because the most People who plays pokemon nowadays is too young for the original red/blue/gold/silver. BDSP is not the best game, but still a good remake.
ORAS were fun but there were some missing features that really should have been there like the mirage tower in the desert, the team magma hideout in the volcano and obviously the battle frontier. I think FRLG and HGSS are much better remakes than what we’ve been getting recently and that makes me worried about black and white whenever they release them
Great video! But you could've warned viewers for the scarlet/violet story spoilers, I haven't finished it yet and now the part of what will happen to the professor is totally ruined for me, I did not expect a spoiler for scarlet and violet in a video about BDSP
Honestly the main reason its an awful remake is because its not a TRUE gen 8 game and partner of sword and shield. What it should have done was come out, and feature mega Empoleon, Mega Torterra, mega Infernape, and bring back all the megas from gen 7. The reason why fire leaf, heart soul, and alpha omega are such good games is because they are integrated with their generation. Leaf green is a true gen 3 game that can battle and trade with emerald and has the same mechanics. There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't have a game with DP's art style but still make it a true gen 8 game.
Gen IV is still my favourite of all (yes, there were pre-Online, pre-Showdown days, and I think only really started to become a thing around this time), and seeing this happen, what they'd done to Sinnoh, is execrable. I tried to get back into my current game recently, and I just can't. Having fun with SV though in spite of it all.
Great video brother! It’s so disappointing that GameFreak dropped the ball with probably the most desired remake thus far 😭 Still a joy to playthrough but a disappointment nonetheless
@@SMCwasTaken I feel like there are so many franchises you could give that same criticism. Imo Pokémon has evolved enough/withstood the test the time and kept me interested as someone who loves playing chill RPGs.
Other than the new moves introduced since Gen 4, the Fairy-Type, and cross-gen evolutions related to those available in Gen 4, BDSP feel like a glorified port of Diamond and Pearl.
renegade platinum with the follower mod and the colors mod is really the definitive way to experience gen 4 i think. if you don't mind a bit of difficulty it's really perfect. pokemon diamond was my first pokemon game and though bdsp was fun i was disappointed that it wasn't as good as it should've been.
For me the biggest reason that it failed as a remake is the fact that it added almost nothing compared to platinum. Better yet, it didn't include some added content that platinum had. So yeah you could catch all the legendaries but besides that, its more like a remaster. Heck i even like the low poly 3d + 2d sprite based look of the ds games a lot more compared to the chibi 3d look the remakes have
i haven't watched the video, but personally i like bdsp. i get they aren't the remakes we all wanted and there's numerous issues but i love that they stayed faithful to my favorite games (dpp) and kept a lot of the old gen 4 features while also adding good quality of life changes. one such thing is the shiny locks, there are no shiny locks besides mew and jirachi (which make sense) and i feel that is amazing because i get to hunt in these games like i always wanted to in gen 4, as well as arceus being legitimately obtainable with no specific event lock like darkrai and shaymin have (which shaymin can still be obtained with glitches, at least last time i checked). the fact you can also complete the entire pokedex in JUST these two games is astounding and very underrated in my opinion. you can catch all 493 pokemon in these two games barring some mythical pokemon like celebi and deoxys. Overall, I did want new additions and would've preferred a different art style, but as someone who loved the original dpp, them staying faithful to those games just works for me since it's practically the same, with better additions.
Didn't fail as anything its legit diamond and pearl with enhanced graphics but yall will say diamond and pearl are goats classics etc yall just do this shit for attention games are fine
In suprised you never mentioned Fire Red and Leaf Green as good looking remakes. The last time we were in Kanto was on the GameBoy before the GBA and it had updated sprites and vibrant colors all throughout. There was also post game and an updated story with us going to Sevii Islands
I dissagree, pokemon black and white is not the best pokemon game, its a good game but black 2 and white 2 is the real best pokemon game of all time, hgss and platinum are masterpieces and better than the og bw, i am a fan of pokemon since gen 1, and i have never been more dissapointed than with bdsp, its objectivelly the worst pokemon game of all time, but what did you expect? after only being acceptable in the 3d era sun and moon and scarlet and violet and being pretty good oras... Pokemon really has been going to shit since they couldnt keep up with their absurd schedule of releasing games when the games became 3d, i know ilca is not gamefreak but still masuda directed that garbage... And its stupid to say "they are a dp remake not a platinum one" couse platinum is not another game, is dp but fixed and much better, so the logical game to copy is platinum couse its the fixed game, hgss wasnt a gs remake was a crystal reimagining, improving the story by a lot and making the johto region look beautiful, legends arceus is a very overrated game, only has the catching polished, everything else is a dissaster, i think people is blind with shiny hunting and dont see that legends is a much worse game than sun and moon or scarlet and violet
I still stand by the statement "When people said they wanted Diamond and Pearl remakes, what they really meant was that they wanted a Platinum remake" because it still holds true.
My problem was that they basically took the OG games, made it worse, turned it into 3D and didn’t really add anything new. Even platinum had more things added than BDSP. It should’ve been like ORAS where they added so much new things from mechanics to Redesigns to plot, that it basically felt like a new game but still felt true to the original… ORAS is how a REMAKE should be
And honestly, with the topic of Platinum...I still can't understand why they never make remakes for the third game of a group! Like, an Ocean Blue or a Thunderous Yellow or a Beta Emerald or a pending name for a Crystal remake or a Glistening Platinum or-
Like, they went the extra mile of making game triplets in the old days, but only made doubles in remakes! I literally forgot Crystal existed because they only made HeartGold and SoulSilver
@@damienearl8302 Yeah I'm kind of surprised we didn't get Electric Yellow, Mind Crystal, or Delta Emerald, although HGSS does have a lot of stuff from Crystal like the Legendary Dog plotline to the point where HGSS is basically a Crystal Remake but still combines stuff from GS like the fact you can get Mareep since it wasn't in Crystal. I wish FRLG made it so that your starter pokemon follows you though but other than that FRLG was good enough.
@@damienearl8302Lets go Pikachu was Yellow’s remake.
@@conflictedomega7562 ...fair, but in defense of the original comment, it came out *way* later
I so feel this comment. I’m a massive fan of the gen 4 games and after playing ORAS I was so excited for this remake. It was alright but definitely underwhelming. I also really miss mega evolution and I was hoping they would bring it back in BDSP. Just a big disappointment though.
The rhetorical question where you asked if Pokémon devs just puts minimal effort because they know the games will sell millions of copies regardless, the answer is an astounding yes.
its also a lack of time
I think you mean “resounding” and not “astounding”.
@@finalregion6247 at least Scarlet and Violet have tons of other great qualities that make them worth it
@@nutnut6161 Yeah i really liked Violet, argubaly the best game story wise alongside BW.
Funny i remember how everyone used to think Black/White was trash when it came out and now it's viewed as a classic, think it'll be the same with Scarlet/Violet.
@@hithere9393 This will happen with every generation at some point simply due to nostalgia and the fact that no matter how bad these games are from a technical standpoint, someone somewhere is still gonna hold that game/generation fondly
The fact they managed to remake the Shaymin glitch and didn’t account for the fact that the main character could now travel in 8 directions rather than 4 in Snowpoint gym, allowing you to just bypass the puzzle by pointing the joystick up and slightly to the left/right is amazing
Explain
@@aRookieGod the base game logic was literally ported from original source and reskinned using Unity as a rendering tool rather than a standalone engine. As such, many of the glitches that plagued the originals were now magnified because you also got free diagonal movement in a design centered around horizontal and vertical tile based movement.
There was no way to avoid the movement problem without keeping the character movement tile based, which was easy enough to do, but they also completely overlooked many of the bounding glitches that existed before regardless.
@@N00bB1scu1tGaming thats just so fucking lazy
They could have done what hgss did and change some of the puzzles to account for the hardware/graphics change
@@tylerprince6371or they could’ve done literally anything to make the game somehow not worse than the original
HGSS and ORAS have the most important mechanics to include into any remake going forward - HGSS and ORAS have *SO MUCH* content, with the latter even acknowledging the things that came out after Hoenn and redesign the region around that to truly make it feel like a modern retelling rather than being 1:1.
You make a crucial point. They needed to redesign Sinnoh to take into account the new graphics and fact you move around with a circle pad rather than a d-pad. The original dungeons are simply not designed for movement in 8 directions, and the less said about snowpoint city gym the better.
@@intergalactic92 Right. ORAS gave the player the option of using the circle pad, which was used for modern games around that time, or the retro d-pad, which was used for the original RS.
HeartGold and SoulSilver are still, and unfortunately always will be, the peak of Pokémon remakes. They're amazing games, the best in the series in my opinion, but it’s really sad to know and see that gamefreak just hasn't and isn't going to put that same indie love and passion into their mainline Pokémon games anymore.
Whole heartedly agree with you HGSS will always be peak pokemon,
i hated heartgold
I think omega ruby and alpha sapphire deserve more credit they were amazing remakes too
@@SuperM789Why?
(Or is it one of those things you hate with a passion and don’t know why)
All the remakes had pros and cons yall defending the games you love it's that simple. Can't make yall happy and thats what gamefreak realized.
For me, the true remake is Legends: Arceus. A Legends: Kyurem is all that I need for Gen 5.
That would be awesome. I would love to explore a past version of the unova region and hear the older version of Driftveil City.
I agree we need to see the original legendary dragon
@@joshuamtzchz2596 yess give it a 800 base stats 😂 plus I do hope we get new forms for the dragons two like maybe they looked different back then and when they turned into the orbs they changed to the designs we see today
unove region's legends would be the wild wild west of USA. Imagine
@@FudgeeBarr29 as someone who used to live in west Texas there would not be much pokemon diversity
As a Leafeon lover who always has a Leafeon on my team whenever I play platinum, you cannot imagine my disappointment when they decided to revert back to the “yeah you’ll get an eevee AFTER you beat the game” in BDSP :(
@@notworpp it has for a while now...
Jolteon is my favorite and I always try to make one my ace as soon as possible
I started my journey in BD with a full team of 5+ IV mons haha. You can transfer anything so long as it's in the dex into the game. Only problem is, you can't really fully utilize the transfered pokemon until you have about 4 badges due to the gym/level system of this gen.
I had Jolteon this time around because I basically had a mono electric team, the guys available are some of my favourites of all so it just made sense. It does suck that the eons are reserved for post-game, and even if we have HOME now, at the time you couldn't even access certain features due to it not being available, and that was a huge blow to their reception I feel like, because upon release is when it's most relevant.
Me with Glaceon
I feel like Firered and Leafgreen are underestimated as remakes so hard. They were fantastic as remakes.
The entire Sevii islands were such a fun postgame experience, that I really missed in Let's Go.
I really thought LG was the worst when it came out, because it added so little new stuff. But now that BDSP are a thing even LG seems fantastic, since they did add SOME new stuff. The art direction and style was great. The pokemon were to scale and had some texture to them. The best looking pokemon games on the Switch imo.
Lackluster on new content, but way better than BDSP.
Still, FRLG will stay my go-to for the optimal and most complete Kanto experience.
I prefer red and blue with the pea soup colors of the original gameboy. It really felt like you were going on an epic journey
Yes FireRed and LeafGreen are criminally underrated,
Let's go is incredible
@@tpfoxCastro yeah, ngl I was in the camp that wanted Let's Go Johto. Still do; but they could better use their time and resources to actually polish the new games instead >.
FR/LG did a lot of things right by just keeping it simple(at least I think they kept it pretty simple), they let you experience the original game while adding in minor QOL changes and corrected a lot of the confusing things in the original R/B/Y. Adding in the Sevii Islands also helped link the R/B/Y story to the G/S/C one as well which is one of the biggest underrated things in the game. I feel like it's just not talked about enough because like 80% of the community didn't start playing until D/P/P and talking about anything related to gen 1 will get you the "genwunner" label and unnecessary attacks. Notice how there's some already in this comment section. Lmao
Heartgold and Soulsilver were the best remakes just because they allowed you to have 16 BADGES and can travel to the Kanto Region which NO OTHER POKEMON GAME can do.
It was just insane to go back to the Kanto region after beating the Johto Gym Leaders and E4 and was unexpected to even surpass collecting 8+ badges.
You forgot about a expansion to the Johto regional dex and rematches of new team members for each Gym leader and elite four and Chapion.
All the Gen 2 games had the Kanto Region unlocked after beating the Elite Four & Mt silver after gaining all of the 16 badges
@@courage1363 Not really an expansion since they still pulled the same crap FR/LG did when it came to evolutions from later gens
GSC > HGSS
@@coachbarnthat's really controversial, Kanto is so much more fleshed out in HGSS. I'd still prefer crystal but that's just nostalgia. That national park tune slaps, bops and rocks
The argument that "it's not a Platinum remake" falls flat when HGSS had Crystal content and ORAS had hints of Emerald content in the Delta chapter.
Yeah, that and the fact that they barely added anything to the games, even outside of the lack of plat content
The thing that disappointed me the most with BDSP is the lack of character redesigns. I liked seeing the characters getting refreshed designs for the current age. In ORAS, characters like Maxie and Archie got massive glow ups. I also love how Pokémon remakes may introduce new characters for certain features, such as Aarune for secret bases and Lisia for contests in ORAS, and Celio for the Pokémon Network Center, a feature allowing you to connect to other Gen 3 games in FRLG. BDSP didn’t have any character redesigns or any new characters for the new features. Imagine if we got a new character to introduce us to Ramanas Park, or redesigns for any of the characters in BDSP.
I thought Cynthia’s 3D model in the SM Battle Tree looked so good but BDSP Cynthia looked meh. They were wearing the same clothes but I realized that it was the lighting. The lighting made everything too bright and the textures looked too smooth.
@Madoka The whole time I played Omega Ruby I could not tell if Tabitha was male or female. I had to look it up on Bulbapedia, which says he is male, but his design still looks like an overweight short-haired woman to me and coupled with his name it's hard to shake that perception
I feel like after Gen 3, nobody really needs redesigns anymore.
I was hoping for some new looks too, but the thing that got me the most was how they didn't add any new dialogue to the gym leaders (at least that I saw, still haven't finished and would absolutely play PLA for another 400 hours before that) and I was really hoping that they would add some more personality because the bar is higher for characters now.
@@zygoat2369 Wait, really? I've...never really been confused about that
I was really disappointed with BDSP because the climax is kind of bland. The red chain breaks and then team galactic are just like “oh well, I guess that’s it” and leave. There was also no cutscene where the sky goes all crazy like in the originals
That’s when you can tell it’s a lady cashgrab remake
@@aceclover758 It took you until Spear Pillar to realise that?
@@MMR_LM I meant it as a great example for the cash grab
i deeply regret getting this game for christmas
@@ARCHIVED9610 I feel bad for u bruh, try selling it? If u got as an example pokemon sw/sh instead itd be really fun
Interesting topic, even with FRLG as remakes of the original RGB/Y, they were able to add all the Pokémon(in the Kanto-Honnen Dex at the time) in the game and made them available to the player(s) buy getting multiple games.
Exactly I’m just really confused as to why gamefreak or ILCA in this case made the decision to not include a proper Pokédex
They even added some areas in the form of the Sevii islands. Still isn't a whole other region levels of content, but hey it was post game new areas to explore, even main games seem to struggle with that area of content let alone remakes.
I really hate how BDSP only gave us HALF a National Pokédex. That meant a lot of Gen 5-7 Pokémon ended up never in the Generation 8 games.
Even if FRLG didn’t add too much, they are the best way to play Kanto, HGSS is the same but adds tons of new content, ORAS I’d say isn’t the same but they’re still amazing great games that still do justice to RSE, BDSP do the exact opposite of all of the older remakes and the sad thing is Sinnoh is my favorite region
@@lillrice27yeah it’s really telling that Platinum, a 12 year old game, is still the premier Sinnoh experience.
i think that everyone’s favorite pokémon generation usually being the first one they played makes a lot of sense seeing that pretty much most of all pokémon games following the same pattern, therefore the first one the person plays feels the most original and most memorable
Nope. I’ve been a player since red/blue. Not my favorite gen.
@@SavStatus12Same. Played every game from RB to USUM. Favorites are BW1, XY, and HGSS.
First game was Diamond Gen five (BW/BW2) are my favorite games
First pokemon game I actually played was XD Gale of Darkness, then gen 4, 5 and every game since. I've played every gen/region in some form and Gen V is imo clearly bigger and better than any other gen
@@durpanda123 i think even people who dislike Gen V will generally admit that it is the generation that got boldest about committing to new ideas in a thoughtful way
What concerns me is the fact that multiple 3D iterations later and you can really see gamefreak and sub studios struggling in the 3D aspect of the development. Many decisions and assets in the game raise an eyebrow really quick to anyone with any sort of industry oriented graphics experience.
From literal seams in the meshes (rather than UV seams) to blending multiple rendering pipelines, to how they handle asset management, it's no surprise that many of the core titles can't maintain beyond a 30 lock.
Combine this with multiple other issues, and I genuinely think GameFreak has reached a point the name itself sells the series and as such they are focused pretty much exclusively on profit over quality. The reason for this is left to speculation, but something to keep in mind is Pokemon is almost if not 3 decades old now. 30 years is a long time for the creator to keep things up, and he isn't exactly hurting for money either.
If anything from the 3DS to now has shown me anything about GameFreak, it is that they are indeed 2D devs messing in 3D space and just no longer really care for the same values they had back at it's inception.
It’s also the fact that they absolutely refuse to make room for new, experienced 3D devs
They don’t know how to program or optimize games, they never have lol
Gamefreak aren't just 2-D devs, they are ass-backwards devs overall. Their games are almost all bugged; they don't code too well. And, yeah, since the merch and the anime took over the main sales, the games now serve as glorified advert for everything else. That's why the games are shit; you just roll around with the new Pokemon in the current gen for less than 3 years before a new gen rolls out.
my concern with gen 5 remakes is game freak will let ilca make them and we will end up never seeing any of the bw2 content again... bc if they couldn't add platinum content to bdsp there is NO WAY they're smushing together two whole games;;;;
If we are geting Gen 5 remakes I'm totaly aspecting BW2 to be made in to some sort of DLC. Platinum didn't have enoght content to have a DLC of its own, but BW definatly do. But who knows maby insead of that we might get a Gen 5 Legend Kyurem.
I hope they never make an actual remake of Generation 5. I'd much prefer an original game that takes inspiration from it, like Legends Arceus was (possibly another Legends game, but it doesn't have to be). Even something half-original half-remake like Let's Go would be better than repeating the BDSP debacle.
From what I've heard, Ilca wanted to do a lot more with the games and if you look at some of the concept art that Ilca made for the game, it looks way better than the finished product. The issue is that GameFreak really restricted what Ilca could do with the game, which is how BDSP turned into the broken mess that it is. Therefor, I don't mind Ilca making another mainline game, I just wish they were given more freedom to make their own interpretation of the Pokemon format.
BW2 remakes would probably be remade as separate games. They aren't enhanced versions of BW1 with some extra content like Emerald to Ruby and Sapphire or Platinum to Diamond and Pearl; they're direct sequels with a different story like the Johto games to the Kanto games.
I think you’re wrong about bw2 that’s easy money gf would be throwing away
Something I would like to see is a "Complete Kyurem." Since it's stated that when Reshiram and Zekrom split from the original dragon, Kyurem was what was left, I'd like to see what Kyurem supposedly originally looked like and could do
Are you suggesting Pokemon Legends: Kyurem?
I always said don’t remake gen 5 just make a sequel or prequel if you prefer. Gen 5 still works fine and has A LOT of mechanics compared to other games, so remaking it I feel might hurt it more than help. But a sequel or prequel would work because we already have a sequel to the first game so why not make some sort of trilogy?
@@austinhuber8440honestly the best way they could remake unova, is just by not touching anything and porting them to the switch virtual console style…
@@austinhuber8440 So long as we let Team Plasma rest Trilogy is fine, I feel like with how much it added it might be a better direction to remake BW2 instead. That or make a "3rd version" of Unova that uses the Unova of BW2 with the main plot of BW, having the Frigate be around but more of a planB (postgame you go meet Drayden with your dragon then LAZOR). At the start you would choose are from a city or countryside setting which character plots you follow (add a girl for Aspertia and new Gym Leader). Even better would be having the gyms scale and making them open, only needing 8 for plot but allowing you to get all 10 (11 if the Normal gyms have different badges or we pivot Lenora to Rock).
There are multiple games (not just Pkmn) where I've asked myself the question of "why can passionate unofficial Developers/Modders make these things that people want, and the company can't?". What I came up with is that 3rd word: *Passionate*. The unofficial people create these things in their own time out of a passion for what they (and others) want/enjoy, whereas, even if the company knew what we wanted...there's a handful of employees who (whether passionate about the games or not), would ask for thousands of dollars for every hour worked on these "Extra" features. It's likely not out of laziness that we don't get what we want, but them only going as far as they really "need" to. When it comes to remakes that were on handhelds like GBA or 3DS, i'm fairly certain it takes significantly less work compared to the newer games like BDSP, SWSH, and SCVI. They were typically working on weaker systems, with mostly pixel art and the occasional cutscene, if any. Stuff like that takes time and money for the developers, not so much for the passionate unofficial developer/modder who works on their own time and without a deadline in most cases.
True time, money, resources and the how developers choose to invest them played a huge role in the development of these games for sure.
I can definitely agree with this. I think GameFreak might even be burnt out with Pokemon at this point. We know that they've been trying to create other properties which have all ended in... perhaps not failure, but less than desirable games. I do think Arceus and SV were huge steps in the right direction as, despite SV's performance issues, it's one of my favorite Pokemon games but it could have been a lot better.
The answer is that passionate fans aren't required to make money with the game and don't have to deal with deadlines. Deadline are the current bottleneck for Pokemon games, because they need to be released yearly to keep up with the inertia of the entire franchise.
Honestly it’s crazy - Rom games like Unbound and Radical Red are infinitely better than anything GameFreak have put out in ages.
@@divinkitty9452 game freak's games and standards aren't good enough when you take away Pokemon
What I always wished for a remake, was that they actually change and upgrade the content. Like dont give the trainers the same pokemonn they had in the og games. We now have a vast amount of pokemon from each type. So why give the trainers all the same team ???
And tbh I actually prefered ORAS over HGSS. As they didnt address Johtos biggest flaws in the leveling curve in the mid and late game.
Yes! That’s exactly the same issue I had with HGSS, they did absolutely nothing to address the glaring issues Gen 2 was already facing
There was more problems with HGSS than just the level curve. Pokemon variety and distribution is so bad, it rivals vanilla DP.
Personally I would love to see the Pokémon Black and White remakes include their sequels as DLC. Important to remember that Pokémon White 2 actually takes place after Pokémon Black because you received the legendary dragon that N had from the first game (which in black it was reshiram). Not only would you get both legendaries, but it’s also worth considering that Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem are technically parts of the same dragon. So if it was DLC (or post game content) we could finally get to see the dragon they make when all of them combine.
Since the characters you play as in Black 2 and White 2 are different from the first games, maybe it could be one of those separate story things, and at the end of black 2/white 2 you fight the team that you finished with in the first games. Ultimately I think it would end with you being able to play as either of them and of course combine your Pokémon storage.
How would you guys go about adapting the second games? Would you perhaps do what was originally done and have them come out separately?
To give credit where its due, ILCA knows how to make battles more difficult. Noticed more trainers use held items, and the all the new E4/Gym leader rematches? You can even fight major characters, including Team Galactic!, in the Battle Tower. My favorite addition is the new Dawn/Lucas fight; something I always wanted! Too bad it's only on weekends post game and not during the story, but still a great addition. BDSP just needed more stuff like this.
Barry uses held items as early as the Pastoria City fight
My only beef was how friendship was mandatory and it took the challenge away. If they made it optional, the challenges would have been incredible
@@kirby401 There's ways to minimize it, but it is annoying. If you fight most optionals, then your team will be friendly by mid game. Besides that, it's still challenging.
@@kirby401 they merged friendship and affection in Let's Go (I think) and split them back up in S/V
@@thediabolicalraisin8953 They split it back? Good to hear. :)
FireRed and LeafGreen: Enhanced experience of the original Red and Blue. Used the same engine that Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald did. Added an entirely new sub-region in the Sevii Islands.
HeartGold and SoulSilver: Took everything great about Gold and Silver and cranked it up to 11. More than enough new features to keep you interested and playing for months on end or even longer. Used the same engine that Diamond, Pearl and Platinum did. Contained almost all of the additional content from Crystal.
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire: IMO the best remakes we've gotten so far. All the best of Ruby and Sapphire and then some on top of that. Plenty of new features. Mega evolution. Soaring. DexNav. Took content from Emerald and made it even better, introducing one of the best characters we've ever seen in Pokémon, Zinnia. Used the same engine that X and Y did.
Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee: Techinally remakes of Yellow which I believe was a great idea. Switched up the story of RBY ever so slightly which makes the games feel new yet so familiar. Introduced Go catching mechanic to main series Pokémon which while controversial, was a hit for many players. These games don't do anything that really blow you away but they're solid remakes. Used (seemingly) the same engine Sword and Shield did, though Let's Go arguably looks a bit better than SwSh did.
Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl: These games do not enhance the experience of the original Diamond and Pearl. People will argue that they do but I just don't see it. Many of us believe that the original games look nicer and have more charm to them than these remakes do. They do not use the same engine as Sword and Shield, which is a first for Pokémon remakes to not use the engine that current gen games do. The games barely contain any Platinum content and none of it is what any of us wanted. Almost every single prior remake has included the majority of the 3rd game of that gen's features and content despite being named after the first games of the generation. The games are buggy, unpolished and were obviously released in a completely rushed state.
I don't know what more to say about BDSP other than I'm tired of hearing the same old defense for it. "It's a Diamond and Pearl remake not a Platinum remake!" has to be the most annoying one of all. Sometimes I feel like we overhyped the whole gen 4 remake thing but I much more feel like they just failed to deliver on something we had bigger dreams for.
DBSP definitely didn't live up to the hype. They honestly felt more like difficulty enhancement hacks of the original Diamond and Pearl with some quality of life improvements and graphical updates for the Switch over 'the original games'.
Well, they do live to Diamond/Pearl... Because those games were terrible. Almost everything good came with Platinum, including non-Braindead AI.
ORAS is not better than FR/LG or HG/SS, you're smoking fucking crack.
Personally for me its the chibi and the way the character / following pokemon walks. If you go near a ledge, it automatically counts as two steps so you get sucked in and jumped off a ledge, this is specially hard when you are trying to go up to Mt. Coronet. Like come on ILCA, of all the things you had to make it suck its the movement and your walking buddy getting constantly stuck. Also the standard formula is basically following the current gen graphics but BDSP, instead of following the better Gen 8 graphics, they didnt. Of all the remakes, this one was not made with love, this one was rushed to make a quick cash grab before PLA. Gamefreak should not have gave it to ILCA to handle. I'd rather not them have gen 5 remakes if they are just going to chibify it with the bad pokemon following animation.
the 2d sprites are chibi
@@unscripted483Almost any childs mind would have interpreted the chibi 2ds as real humans tho - with 3D, everything seems way more realistic so it feels like you are actually looking at Chibi People instead of real people. The kids who played DPP will never be able to see modern Sinnoh the way they imagined it as kids this way.
Diamond and Pearl have a special place in my heart, first mainline pokemon game i played, and i played it a lot. I was exited for years about an eventual remake of my childhood game, and the thought of diamond and pearl remake on the switch and experiencing the sinnoh region in modern 3D graphics made me so exited. It was a nice remaster, but compared to what we expected compared to previous remakes, it breaks my heart to know I will never experience sinnoh again like i imagined for many years...
What I love about the Generation 5 games are the way they handled the scale of the environment with the chibi pixel art. If they use the style from Scarlet and Violet, I'd love to turn the camera around to be in awe when looking at the bridges like Sky Arrow Bridge, and the highlight settlement Castelia City. This city in particular makes it feel that this city is surrounded by tall buildings. Do it in SV style with free camera, angle it up and you can feel you are in a metropolis.
YOOOOO imagine how the cities and views would look like in the SV style
What I liked about Gen 4 and Gen 6/7 was that there was a lot of cross play between generations. You could be in Hoenn playing against someone in Kalos. The Switch era has kinda sucked in this regard. We technically have 4 regions and very little cross-play.
I think the chibi art style bothered me the most, since it was the first thing I saw. It just felt so off in relation to the current gen and so similar to the older gens that it left me feeling a little uncomfy and couldn't pay attention to anything else. It was so bad I had to drop the game.
Agreed, I think they focused too much on how the original games looked with the 2D sprites having larger heads, but they did that bc of detail restraints with the pixels. When we played those games, we always imagined the characters with better proportions, I don't think anyone would've preferred imagining the characters as chibis.
@@brondermody3409interesting take. I always saw them the opposite way so I personally found them keeping the chibi style in the overworld to be charming.
@@brondermody3409I’m with you on that. Everyone trying to justify the chibis by pointing out that they were "always like that" seem to miss that point. In 2D it’s due to the top down perspective it is not a literal representation of what’s happening, you don’t get to see what they really look like until you enter battle or a cutscene and jump down to a first person perspective.
In 3D this doesn’t work, especially when half the time you are staying in Chibi form for a zoomed in first person moment like the opening scene. It becomes the reality rather than a perspective, and makes them becoming well proportioned for battles seem like a dream.
And for me at least, it’s not just the giant funko pop heads. It’s the chunky feet as well (which definitely were not in the original). They just look like toys.
They don't even look like the old art style. The hands and legs are ginormous and they waddle.
Short Answer: minimum of new conent. Look at heart gold/soul silver, black & white 2. This are decent Example of what pokemon should have. Also, they cut Content from platinium.
And the fandom still ate it up and bought lots of copies giving Gamefreak the message that they can get away with lazy remakes.
I feel like all the heart and soul that should've gone into BDSP went into Legends Arceus. Arceus really feels like the celebration of Gen 4 that I wanted from The Sinnoh remakes.
Honestly I blame the whole fanbase and the failure of Gen. 5 for what Gamefreak has become today.
Since the failure of Gen. 5 games, I assumed that this marked a voice for Gamefreak to _"Yeah let's not try something new anymore"_
If only y'all just actually gave Gen. 5 the love and recognition that it deserves since day 1 and not smash it down just because that you can't steamroll Ratatas anymore for the 19482395897th time maybe... *_just maybe_* Gamefreak will be encouraged to always try new risky stuffs and will definitely still be the same high-quality maker game studio that we know and loved.
But it was now a long time ago, all in the past. It was already done. I am worried about how they will screw up Gen. 5 remakes.
@@moisesezequielgutierrez Are we speaking of the same games here? Lol. Gen 5 is very loved, nor did it stop them from creating new stuff. Gen 6, megas & primal evolution, Gen 7 Z Moves and even islands instead of gyms (something new! wow), gen 8 gigamax, gen 9 crystallizing Pokémon. You're very wrong.
@@mainexploit You don't understand..
When Gen 5 was first released, it was gamefreaks attempt at trying something new and getting pokemon off to a fresh start.. They made 150+ new pokemon and removed the national dex until the post game, basically forcing you to get used to the newer pokemon
because of this a lot of people immediately didn't like gen 5 as nostalgia is a huge factor for a lot of Pokemon fans and it caused people to not even want to play it, they didn't even give it a chance and immediately assumed it was terrible.
As a result the game did not sell much at all, and overall was a failure at the time which was a shame because Gamefreak put more effort into gen 5 than they have done any game prior to the series
Gen 5 had the most new pokemon, new animated sprites in battle with an endearing artstyle, smooth and impressive use of the camera angles, arguably the best story in the series, some of the best music in the series, well written characters, and so much more the games had to offer
But did that matter? no because everyone assumed the worst of it, everyone hated it because it tried to be different.
It was then where Gamefreak realized that putting effort to make the games feel unique and fresh isn't worth it, and that as long as nostalgia is the main focus, they can just make another crappy remake, or have pikachu available in the region and it will sell like hotcakes, they're lazy now because when they did put effort into making something new, people hated them for it
Gen 5 was so good it destroyed the franchise
@@mainexploit key word: gen V *is* very loved. _now_. that was far from the case when they were new games lol
it was only after X&Y, aka too late, that people started to sing the praises of Gen V
@@SkyeBlueLily it still invalidates their point, they never stopped moving on with new stuff.
if they mess up generation 5 remakes imma be so annoyed. especially when it comes to the story. they story in black and white is the best story theyve ever had (scarlet/violet are close) and if they mess it up, it could ruin generation 5 for a lot of ppl
I agree 100% black and white’s story is the best so if gamefreak messes it up I’ll be disappointed.
@@KingZoroark At this point, I'd prefer if they left gen 5 alone. They're absolute gems that don't need to be ruined as GameFreak most likely would.
Gen 5 dosen’t need a remake!
@@chloboshoka id like one. you may not want one, but i do
@@matadeverdoemden just released it again for switch that’s it lol
Having played all the way since the originals, I loved Gen 1, but Gen 2 is my favourite generation. Fixed a lot of the really broken stuff about Gen 1, and added so much cool stuff like day/night cycles, held items, dark and steel type and then on top of that it had a killer soundtrack and added Kanto as a bonus region. HGSS were also incredible games that captured the spirit of Gen 2 to perfection. Honestly though, all Gens, 1 through 5, have their virtues. Things unfortunately went downhill with the transition to 3D and Game Freak haven't got it figured out yet.
Yea Gamefreak is struggling with their transition to 3d. I feel like their best 3d title on switch was Legends Areus.
@@KingZoroark So, I feel like the next remakes will actually be the "Let's Go" version of Johto, it would follow the stream of remakes, being original gen times 2 for the first set of remakes, then the gen that first set is in times 2 plus 1, meaning gen 2's next remakes is in Gen 9 and Gen 5's first remakes will be in Gen 10.
@@gamerperson9965 I would actually enjoy a let’s go johto style game. The only thing I wonder is will there still be kanto included since we already have a kanto let’s go title?
@@KingZoroark I feel like they would, just like the normal remakes.
@@gamerperson9965 that sounds like a lot of fun. I can’t wait to see what game freak has in store for us
i was crushed by these remakes, idk why we all pretended it was good when it first came out. it’s only decent because it’s based off of something amazing
If they make Black and White remakes I agree with a lot of your points, but I will still die on this hill I'm standing on, which is that they need to have the option to switch the EXP share off, and, if they go with a free roam set up like Scarlet and Violet, then there needs to be some sort of levelling up system for the Gym Leaders, so you don't end up missing one, coming back at Lv. 50 and discovering you have a team vastly over-levelled for the Gym Leader with their Lv. 17 main Pokémon.
Black and White remakes would need features from Black and White 2, I'd really like to see an upgrade to the movie making experience from those games.
The exp share bothers me so fucking much
I can't say I didn't have fun with BDSP for a while, but compared to FRLG, HGSS and ORAS which each brought in a load of new content and features, fixed a majority of the issues of the originals and maintained compatibility with the other games of that gen, the game didn't feel like "Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl" but more so just Diamond/Pearl HD. Whatever is next, I just hope the main series games of a generation aren't nearly as disconnected from each other as SS and BDSP were.
I’ll never understand why they handed such a highly-anticipated project to a new company. They could have had 2 amazing Sinnoh games and they squandered it.
@@JoAndGetFat Swsh and SV were way more important than a remake project. If they wanted to have 2 companies working on the same IP like CoD then giving up on BDSP was an obvious choice to make
@@JoAndGetFat Legends Arceus was amazing tho
If Arceus and BDSP were combined into one game, ie having the world of BDSP instead of emply old Hisui and the gameplay and difficulty of Arceus instead of baby's first Sinnoh adventure it would've been the best remake ever
Not baby’s first Sinnoh adventure 💀
@@JoAndGetFat IKR “BABYS FIRST SINNOH ADVENTURE” IM DEAD ASFFF 😂😂
Bdsp has probaply the hardest league but ok
@@simon6157 lol
Platinum was one of my favourite games to play as a kid, and I was so excited to play the remakes. As much as a I love Generation IV, the remake games didn’t have the same charm that the originals had. I also loved contests, and was disappointed they were reworked into a shell of its former self.
right? like where is dress up phase? i wanna dress them up!
I know that it sounds mean, but i think its kind of funny how a bunch of fans were complaining and demanding for gen 4 remakes for years, only for them to be really crappy when they finally come out.
The Pokémon remakes before BD/SP were amazing. They strengthened pretty much every aspect of the original games while adding new content, not taking it away. While I haven’t played AS/OR or BD/SP, FireRed, LeafGreen, and SoulSilver are some of my favorite games in the series. They made games that were already amazing so much more enjoyable for both new players and old. I can only hope the Gen V remakes aren’t treated as another minimal-effort cash cow.
I think part of the reason fan-game makers can appeal to the community more is A. because they're not working under strict rules like ILCA and Gamefreak are, so they're more free to be creative and add what they want to the games, and B. because Pokemon isn't solely for the online fanbase. It's a global IP that people of literally all ages play, and so when making a game, TPC needs to be able to cater to all those communities at once, not just the online community
I can't help but think that Nintendo and Gamefreak could have their games cater to different audiences but they don't because why would they when they sell anyway?
Something as simple as a difficulty setting would be a start or have a game focussed on double battles (something we've not seen since XD).
Perhaps have the latter (and other modes) as DLC so they can add to the game instead of using it for content that would have been in the base game if it was finished
It works as a remake in the sense that they literally made the game again for a new audience that didnt get to experience the originals. The thing is that unlike every other remake it doesn’t try to be anything more than the originals where as every other remake went above and beyond to be far more than the originals were, adding the new pokemon and new features present in the current generation that werent in the originals
By that statement that makes BDSP a remaster and not a remake. To call these games a remake is an insult to past pokemon remakes.
I think battle frontier should be mandatory in every game. It’s truly the only post game content besides battling other people
I even prefer playing Firered and Leafgreen than this shit. The 3rd gen remake were the best possible for the gameboy. HGSS and ORAS are until today my favorite Pokemon games of all time surpassing anything after ORAS. I felt Sinnoh so much and waited years to get disappointed. It hurts 😭
I see it as a remaster. They sure hyped us up with the remake news
Its just scary because GameFreak got away with such terrible remakes. These remakes broke my childhood dream. I was 12 (at the time of HGSS) when I wanted the remakes for DPPt and I got these as a 24 year old. 12 year old dreams crushed completely.
It took me almost 6-7 years to appreciate BW & B2W2. They were brilliant. If they give the remakes for those games the same treatment as BDSP, it’ll really be the salt on the wound. That especially because I know by the time BW and B2W2 remakes come out, we will still suffer from unfinished 2fps, game crashing main titles.
Isnt it sad to receive so many comments like this? I feel like no one, including me have any hopes left for GameFreak games.
@Blackpill PB you Ok?
Black 2 and White 2 don't need remakes just ports imo
I would totally buy black and white 2 ports the second they are released
I didn't play any pokemon games after finishing Sapphire. Original Sapphire, not the Alpha one. It was only last year that I got back into Pokemon, and Brilliant Diamond struck the perfect balance between the familiar 2D vibe with modern and 3D touches here and there. It reinvigorated my interest in the franchise, and for that I continue to be thankful.
So whatever else it is for other people, it was a great bridge for bringing me back from my nearly 2-decade hiatus.
i don't think it deserves the hate it gets, better than scarlet or violet if you ask me
I was so excited for these remakes, only to never finish my playthrough months in. I think my experience with ORAS/HGSS really set the standards, even as one of the few people who was ok with the game being much more true to original.
I think a major problem was that (or so I've heard) they took the codebase for the DS games and just added on some art/control improvements. Havent tried myself, but a good chunk of people were reporting all glitches from DPP were possible in these new switch games. Even though I love that I can do these glitches on modern console, I think it seriously limited the amount of updates/content they could include for the worse.
Not forgetting FRLG remakes! The remakes are often even better than any newer games
For me, it was 100% the Chibi art that was the issue. Gen 8 wasn’t perfect art wise, but it’s 10 times better than weird chibi stuff :(
Gen 5 is my favorite generation of Pokémon, it wasn't my first game of the franchise but definitely one I played alot growing up as a kid. One thing I'd want to see in a Gen 5 remake is the re-introduction of mega evolution. Dynamax is a 3 turn long joke to me that's easily cheesed, and while I find Terra Pokémon interesting with the idea that a Pokémon could be ANY type and leads to alot twists (like a Pokémon that's weak to fighting turning psychic to turn the tables) that's all it really has to offer. Meanwhile Mega Evolution allowed a Pokémon to change typing, stats, abilities, all while having a generally awesome looking design to them.
This idea isn't mine for sure, I'm pretty sure I got this idea from somewhere (or someone) else and just can't remember where I found it. Anyways i really like the idea of Gamefreak going back to pixel art but keeping it within a modern engine. 3D models of all our favorite Pokémon and environments are cool don't get me wrong, I loved the 3DS games but I don't want to see Unova come this huge sprawling world to free roam or end up becoming this 3D environment where every texture looks like someone waxed the hell out of it. I'd love to see Unova pixelated but perhaps more detailed, it could keep the same style of the old game but not need to keep it's limitations.
I'd rather not there be dlc at all and let there just be the game by itself. Though if there was to be dlc, we've seen Kuryem, White and Black Kuryem, but never the Kuryem who is whole. A side story or a dlc based around the mystery and story about Kuryem becoming whole again would be awesome! Getting to encounter a Pokémon we have only been able to speculate about and having the chance to fight or even capture it would be amazing!
I would really would want a BW remake in the current SV style or at least similar. I'm imagining the huge Castelia City, lush routes, and all the grand bridges.
I hope they learn from recent games and take their time to optimize and have performance at least on par to SWSH. But one can only hope.
Nah i'll just be like BDSP
I want the BW remakes to be faithful
Pokemon died the moment it moved to the Switch. Missing features, missing Pokemon, lame villains and sloppy programming with tons of bugs. I'm gonna stick with Gen 1-7 and the fan games from now on.
Same but with gens 1-5
BDSP is bad as a remake, but quite decent as a remaster. Yeah, they probably should have made Platinum remaster instead, but we got what we got
I was hoping for a remake on the level of ORAS. The faithful remake is alright for what it is, but I wanted the new character models to have a truly fresh playthrough of DP.
Also, they didn't give us distortion world, and the Platinum version of the endgame zone.
love this vid. ORAS is definitely the perfect baseline for a new remake and i'm a big fan of how you portrayed that. subbed and looking forward to more videos like this!
Thank you so much 😊
ORAS was trash though
@@blakekeys3830 i disagree, i can understand criticisms of the difficulty but in other ways it only improved and added to the original rse
@@blakekeys3830 it's because of ppl like you that we got what we've got. they don't even wanna bother trying smth different in a remake anymore
@@sylvyboi so actively removing features like Battle Frontier and numerous other things while being lazy about bringing back stuff from old games is being praised as different. Okay bud
I really hope they make BW remakes good, cause that’s my favorite Gen and I don’t want it to get ruined…
fun fact: so much code was reused from the original games that they still check for gba cartridges in some areas
BDSP suffered b/c of Nintendo's complacency and this makes me concerned if/when they announce Gen 5's remake.
I think they should do a B/W 3 when they revisit gen 5 rather than a remake since there's so much content.......and keep that same energy for future old gen revisits (gen 7 in particular)
I find BDSP to just be an overall downgrade to DP. Maybe besides the surfing speed, I guess. The forced EXP Share is an absolute game killer. It works perfectly well in an open world like Legends Arceus and SV, but it is just detrimental when it comes to the old style. I was struggling so hard to keep Rhyhorn on a similar level to the rest of my team. I had to spam rare candies and always use Rhyhorn in front of my team to have it keep up with the rest of my team that I wasn't even using. You could argue I should just box my team (people have argued this), but then I might run into situations where I need to switch or risk losing the fight because I am up against some water type or something.
I was way too young when I played the previous games (I stopped at White when I was in middle school), so I don't feel the downgrades and in fact I really enjoyed Shining Pearl. But I can see the disappointment when compared to previous entries.
You made a lot of good points in this video. One of the major reasons why I didn’t buy the Diamond and Pearl remakes is because the character and Pokémon models look like that of chibi mobile game. They look very bland. It’s as if they didn’t even try to put any effort into making these games. Its a shame really. I will definitely be buying these games used. I made this decision since Sword & Shield since, the Pokémon company & GameFreak barely care about innovation or change, then I won’t support them. The only game so far that shows a major sign of change and innovation is Legends Arceus which is so far in my opinion better than bdsp, sword and shield and scarlet and violet. Also, I’ll give them some credit for Scarlet and Violet especially for trying the open world concept. P.S. I had no clue you could capture Rayquaza in Heartgold. I’m actually shocked by this reveal. I can’t wait to go back to my Heartgold save file and try this out. I thought the only way you could obtain an rayquaza was by capturing it in Emerald and transferring it over. 😭
I find it so weird that Megas are considered a generation gimmick now, considering Megas were in the games for 2 generations
I know sun and moon didn't focus on them but it did feel like they were here to stay and sun and moon were just focusing on another new mechanic
Just curious if you did any actual research on the company and what their plan for the games were. They wanted all the platinum content and they also wanted it to be in the style of arceus, they openly admitted this and released their art books and said that they were told not to make those games, then content was directly ripped from what they wanted to do and used for arceus instead it was not Illcas fault do not blame them
Wow, that's really interesting! I had assumed from the beginning that the devs were given very strict guidelines, I'm not surprised to hear I was right. It's frustrating to know what we could've had.
@@Bellyofthebeast6 yeah its very upsetting but it goes to show the tpc knows what we want and they just dont wanna give it to us
I wanna see kyruem and zygarde done right in their remakes
This game worked for me because Pearl was my first game, so I was happy to revisit that experience. But I couldn’t help feeling disappointed, because throughout the game I started to realize it added basically nothing. No new post-game quest, no new mechanics, not even Dynamax/Gigantamax, to my surprise.
We had better hope this isn’t a new theme with GameFreak
Honestly, the next developer who should work on a remake is "genius seniority". They crushed it with the ganecube Pokémon game, and battle revolution.
While I agree with the criticism you gave BDSP, I think you may have forgotten to mention the rematch with the Elite 4 and Cynthia, where their teams are both EV trained and holding items to resemble a stronger, almost competitively viable team. Definitely reminded me of why people fear this elite four, and especially the champion, from the original games.
As a fan of Platinum, the Gen 4 remakes really disappointed me. Unlike HGSS and ORAS but it is what it is, still at least there are rom hacks that make it possible as to what fans really want and I'm thankful for those people for putting in the effort of remaking it
can't say much on the topic as I skipped gen 4 and 5 (except Heart Gold) and I couldn't really get into BDSP much. I think I got 3 badges only? I still want to go back and at least finish the league, but well... time has passed and now I've got 140 hours into Violet. Also hearing about all its problems and how it doesn't include a lot of the Platinum content you'd want to experience, especially when playing it for the first time, has really lowered my motivation for BDSP.
Finally, I would have loved to get Shaymin and Darkrai but I think I missed the events. I really dislike the old-fashioned distribution events and would have liked them to move on from that and add the mythicals to the game. They're not fun to collect, they're years of waiting an utter pain when you miss them. And speaking of legendaries (and mythicals), you do hit the mark - I indeed wish you had to work for it too. Explore caves, do puzzles, etc., like in the old days. Just codes aren't fun anyway
I agree, they really did miss the mark. Omitting moves made in these games originally also screws over the integrity of BDSP. Also, why not include new alternate forms like past remakes did? Let's Go had the Alolans, FRLG had the new Unowns, and ORAS has new megas and forms. There's really no excuse.
BDSP should've had its own Delta Episode involving Giratina and the Distortion World.
I understand not wanting to mess with the pre-Hall of Fame story from Diamond and Pearl in what are ostensibly remakes of Diamond and Pearl (no matter how many Platinum quality-of-life adjustments they brought over), but that doesn't mean they couldn't have repurposed elements from Platinum's story for a post-Hall of Fame storyline.
Speaking of unfairly ignored Platinum content, why don't we have any post-game storylines involving Looker or Charon? Heck, the latter even got replaced with a nameless grunt on one of the special box wallpapers; leaving his silhouette on it then properly introducing him after the credits roll would be such delicious foreshadowing.
It really is disgusting the treatment they gave such a beloved generation. Those of us who’ve played since gen 1 still remember the jump to the Nintendo DS as the single most significant advancement arguably in pokemon history. Granted the graphics were not a massive improvement from Emerald but with the dual screens, the wifi and other connectivity features and the shift to a more 3D look, it FELT revolutionary. Gen 4 deserved better.
8:22 I don't know to wich degree this is true considering how broken d-max and g-max were. VGC still allowed it, but in Smogon it was banned from OU and all tiers below and was heavily limited in Ubers, so I think they should've advocate for bringing back megas and z-moves instead.
Great video, my only gripe is that sometimes the transitions are soooo loud. It may just be me, but it literally blasts my ears and then everything else is fine. For an example the transition at 4:18 is so loud, but other than that this video was great.
agree
I am starting to think im the only one that LOVES BDSP 😂
Out of genuine curiosity: what do you like about them?
To me they just seem like a faster but worse version of platinum
@@daanstrik4293To me, the whole experience could be summarized as: "Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, but in 3D and the Elite Four + Champion are more difficult now". Other than that, BDSP got nothing new or original to offer. Should have saved my bucks for better future Pokemon games ;(
People find this bad, because they played the original version. Most did not play the orginial gold and silver, because the most People who plays pokemon nowadays is too young for the original red/blue/gold/silver. BDSP is not the best game, but still a good remake.
Great video! The 8bit outro version of "I wonder" really did it for me 🔥
ORAS were fun but there were some missing features that really should have been there like the mirage tower in the desert, the team magma hideout in the volcano and obviously the battle frontier. I think FRLG and HGSS are much better remakes than what we’ve been getting recently and that makes me worried about black and white whenever they release them
Same I really hope gamefreak doesn’t ruin them especially since they are my favorite Pokémon games
Great video! But you could've warned viewers for the scarlet/violet story spoilers, I haven't finished it yet and now the part of what will happen to the professor is totally ruined for me, I did not expect a spoiler for scarlet and violet in a video about BDSP
I am so sorry about the spoiler I will be cautious next time 😓
Skill issue
Man why the spoiler with the sequence of Pokemon Scarlet, I currently started the game:/
I'll wait 3-5 years until the pokemon community says BDSP is the best Pokemon game and the newest one is the worst thing ever made.
Honestly the main reason its an awful remake is because its not a TRUE gen 8 game and partner of sword and shield. What it should have done was come out, and feature mega Empoleon, Mega Torterra, mega Infernape, and bring back all the megas from gen 7. The reason why fire leaf, heart soul, and alpha omega are such good games is because they are integrated with their generation. Leaf green is a true gen 3 game that can battle and trade with emerald and has the same mechanics.
There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't have a game with DP's art style but still make it a true gen 8 game.
Gen IV is still my favourite of all (yes, there were pre-Online, pre-Showdown days, and I think only really started to become a thing around this time), and seeing this happen, what they'd done to Sinnoh, is execrable. I tried to get back into my current game recently, and I just can't. Having fun with SV though in spite of it all.
I love the prequel Legends Arceus. I hope we get other legends games like Legends Rayquaza, or Legends Celebi
omg legends rayquaza would be so cool
Great video brother! It’s so disappointing that GameFreak dropped the ball with probably the most desired remake thus far 😭 Still a joy to playthrough but a disappointment nonetheless
How are you still a pokemon fan, aren't you going to get tired from playing the same classic games
@@SMCwasTaken I feel like there are so many franchises you could give that same criticism. Imo Pokémon has evolved enough/withstood the test the time and kept me interested as someone who loves playing chill RPGs.
My biggest problem is that they gave us diamond and pearl instead of just platinum. I see absolutely no reason to just simply not do platinum
Cause they have to make two games to implement the annoying exclusives bs
BDSP simply did not change or add enough to really differentiate itself from the base games of Diamond and Pearl.
Other than the new moves introduced since Gen 4, the Fairy-Type, and cross-gen evolutions related to those available in Gen 4, BDSP feel like a glorified port of Diamond and Pearl.
renegade platinum with the follower mod and the colors mod is really the definitive way to experience gen 4 i think. if you don't mind a bit of difficulty it's really perfect. pokemon diamond was my first pokemon game and though bdsp was fun i was disappointed that it wasn't as good as it should've been.
ORAS was better.
Better in ANY way.
BDSP atleast fixed some of the biggest issues the original games had
HGSS on the other hand is still has the same issues from the the gen 2 games
A Pokémon heart gold remake would of been sick if they made it 3d
NO MORE DEX CUT IN ALL THE FUTURE POKEMON GAMES!
I agree we need a true national dex
@@rainbowrattle I feel that any inclusion of old Pokémon from the 3ds titles would be great 😂 at this point
For me the biggest reason that it failed as a remake is the fact that it added almost nothing compared to platinum. Better yet, it didn't include some added content that platinum had. So yeah you could catch all the legendaries but besides that, its more like a remaster. Heck i even like the low poly 3d + 2d sprite based look of the ds games a lot more compared to the chibi 3d look the remakes have
i haven't watched the video, but personally i like bdsp. i get they aren't the remakes we all wanted and there's numerous issues but i love that they stayed faithful to my favorite games (dpp) and kept a lot of the old gen 4 features while also adding good quality of life changes. one such thing is the shiny locks, there are no shiny locks besides mew and jirachi (which make sense) and i feel that is amazing because i get to hunt in these games like i always wanted to in gen 4, as well as arceus being legitimately obtainable with no specific event lock like darkrai and shaymin have (which shaymin can still be obtained with glitches, at least last time i checked). the fact you can also complete the entire pokedex in JUST these two games is astounding and very underrated in my opinion. you can catch all 493 pokemon in these two games barring some mythical pokemon like celebi and deoxys.
Overall, I did want new additions and would've preferred a different art style, but as someone who loved the original dpp, them staying faithful to those games just works for me since it's practically the same, with better additions.
Average modern pokemon fan
get over the fact that i like games everyone else despises
@@freshlycannedwater people are allowed to enjoy things Jesus Christ
Didn't fail as anything its legit diamond and pearl with enhanced graphics but yall will say diamond and pearl are goats classics etc yall just do this shit for attention games are fine
In suprised you never mentioned Fire Red and Leaf Green as good looking remakes. The last time we were in Kanto was on the GameBoy before the GBA and it had updated sprites and vibrant colors all throughout.
There was also post game and an updated story with us going to Sevii Islands
I dissagree, pokemon black and white is not the best pokemon game, its a good game but black 2 and white 2 is the real best pokemon game of all time, hgss and platinum are masterpieces and better than the og bw, i am a fan of pokemon since gen 1, and i have never been more dissapointed than with bdsp, its objectivelly the worst pokemon game of all time, but what did you expect? after only being acceptable in the 3d era sun and moon and scarlet and violet and being pretty good oras... Pokemon really has been going to shit since they couldnt keep up with their absurd schedule of releasing games when the games became 3d, i know ilca is not gamefreak but still masuda directed that garbage... And its stupid to say "they are a dp remake not a platinum one" couse platinum is not another game, is dp but fixed and much better, so the logical game to copy is platinum couse its the fixed game, hgss wasnt a gs remake was a crystal reimagining, improving the story by a lot and making the johto region look beautiful, legends arceus is a very overrated game, only has the catching polished, everything else is a dissaster, i think people is blind with shiny hunting and dont see that legends is a much worse game than sun and moon or scarlet and violet
I still stand by the statement "When people said they wanted Diamond and Pearl remakes, what they really meant was that they wanted a Platinum remake" because it still holds true.