Why do so many people think "Mature" equals "rape everywhere all the time"? Just...just why? It's not even just a TTRPG thing, so many creators of all kinds are that specific flavour of stupid edgelord.
"Mature" should test your beliefs, give deep character advancement and touch on topics that would be tough to think through, such as morality, mortality, survival versus nature, and even tests of loyalty "Everything sucks and everyone hates you" is not mature or realistic. It just feels like the GM trying to get catharsis from tormenting players.
When I hear "realism," I think "The Nightingale," or "The Revenant." Don't give me "Mr. Pickles," and then get shocked when I complain that I was lied to.
I was once kicked out of a group for being a bad roleplayer. I later learned from another member of the group that I was friends with outside of the group that that translated into my character's roleplay didn't revolve around the DM's wife's character and outside of the game I was the only member of the group who wasn't having sex with the DM's wife. Apparently she likes being the Queen Bee and he likes to watch. People have their kinks and that's okay. I just wish they had been upfront from the start so I would have known to find another group instead of wasting my time and theirs.
Prologue story: I think you're looking for a different kind of role play. Last Story: If it's really supposed to be for realism (which c'mon...we all know it's not) then guys should also be at risk. If only the girls are vulnerable, you know it's just for someone to get off on it.
This is super old, but I'd come into the comments to basically say the same thing. If you want to make your DnD game to include your grape fetish, then just say it. Don't hide behind the BS idea that it's 'realism.'
I've been in the place where that Cleric was; getting way too worked up about idiots in the internet. The important thing to realize is exactly what the Wizard said: no imaginary number in a tabletop game is going to impress a bunch of random forum trolls.
I think my favorite thing about this channel is how there's an audio when trigger warnings are on the screen, to notify people who may be listening without looking at the screen. The consideration for people with triggers is just so nice to see
That last story... wouldn't be so bad if it had been explicitly advertised as a nsfw game about boinking monsters (which is what it sounds like to me), but no, it's always the "gritty realism" angle. I don't think I've heard any story where the words "gritty realism" were used to describe the game and it didn't mean "female characters and npcs will be assaulted for my own amusement".
@UC2OjAJ9QEuX-IdAFPJlRohQ True, I'm reading into things a bit - him putting forth the story of his gf's character being assaulted and her seeming to be enthusiastic about it; that and the "how okay are you with sex" questions make me believe that there's at least something kinky going on (which is fine if everyone is made aware and consents before) I do feel like OP - a survivor - was subjected to sexual content against her will by having to listen to a story about a girl getting assaulted. I imagine that was at the very least uncomfortable. Personally, I think if sexual assault in any capacity would be possible in your game, it should be at the very least mentioned somewhere before participants fill out an application.
It's especially annoying how naively they insist this doesn't happen to guys. So, cool, they're shitting on two subsets of survivors in different ways. I'm not even a female survivor, but I refuse to play any game that uses this logic because I get PTSD flashbacks in my skin. Don't need that for a game that's supposed to be fun.
You go into a game expecting something like game of thrones, and you get hentai instead. People need to learn what gritty realism actually means. Which means a dark setting were the fantastical elements are downplayed to create a world were there is more risk in picking fights, and being able to avoid fights is important for a long lasting character. It does not mean a world where people are sexually assaulted by every other monster. The hentai wasn't even that good because they kept targeting females, and it was purely nonconsent.
I get some people indulge in the fantasy, but you probably shouldn't put it in a public forum and invite strangers into it. It's not for the vast majority of people.
For the last story I get the feeling that the group doesn’t have any personal experience with sexual violence so can comfortably interact as an abstract fantasy, however the way they’re doing clearly clashes heavily with someone who’s actually experienced such matters
@@ettaetta439 Such fantasies aren't that uncommon for women, either. But, of course, they probably only endulge in those from the savety of their homes while never actually having suffered anything like it. It's a different and completely safe situation when it remains a fantasy.
@@Nr4747 Exactly. I think this subject of "what's okay to read and enjoy in fiction" also is very nuanced. I just finished a book series that I absolutely loved because it had all my favorite tropes, favorite dynamic, amazing world building and plot--and only one kiss scene out of all the five books was consensual. I would've preferred no SA at all, but I decided to just pretend they were consensual in my head. The author wanted me to treat them as such, and I didn't have it in me to argue. This is impacted by the fact that it was a Chinese light novel series. It's common to have SA in these light novels due to internalized shame and wanting the main character to "remain pure". If the love interest forces themselves on the mc, then the mc doesn't lose their purity by acting/having those types of feelings, but also still be able to participate in those acts and thus reap the benefits of titillating the reader without the shame. I believe that a lot of the dark romance genre is fueled by this purity culture shame. When you make things taboo, people want to explore it in fiction. And if you feel shame around even initiating intimate acts because you view it as lessening your worth, then having a fantasy of someone just taking what they want from you is not uncommon. It's not a surprise this fantasy manifests in women, who typically are shamed for having any desires at all. That's why these books tend to focus on the "innocence" and "purity" of the main character. It's wish fulfillment fantasy.
@@Nr4747 "while never having actually suffered anything like it" as someone who is afab as well as a survivor, I can assure you this is not true. Many survivors healthily engage with the subject in a safe way, often as a means of cope or to explore the past trauma in a safe environment where they are in control. That being said I would not appreciate a group who pushes those themes on me without prior knowledge or my consent because that strips away my control and would take me back to my past experiences.
@@KalinTheZola Ah, good to know, thank you. I didn't want to assume anything in that direction because I haven't read any studies on it, am not a survivor myself and haven't talked to any survivors about the subject. But it illustrates my point even more (not saying that you didn't mean to agree with my point): A fantasy is a fantasy and nothing more. Us humans are actually quite good at differenciating fantasy from reality.
"Boo'd on your Birthday" Story: NTA, OP is right to be, at the very least, displeased with the way the party treats him IC and OoC. Simply suggesting a possible option to take outta pretty much infinite decisions you could possibly decide upon, and getting boo'd and jeered at cause the party doesn't want to go with that decision is immature. Best thing to do here would be to talk to the DM and/or the other players, or find another group. Side Note: I think OP was also perfectly valid to make a "Oh please" comment when their friend (who started the Booing and Jeering. As per usual according to OP) was like "I have to get my friend back" when OP's character sacrificed themselves and practically died. You don't get to act like a twat In and Out of Character towards someone, and then be like "I shall mourn you."
As told, I concur. I will say that this story, more than most of them, may have an authorship bias. Unwanted sexual comments, physical assaults, etc, are all cases of obviously crossing the line. But it's possible this player isn't being fully honest about their own level of group antagonism. So I wouldn't want to condemn that particular group without at least hearing their side of things. (One thing I did notice--OP had a tendency to conflate critiques of the character with critiques of himself. If you know you're playing an asshat, the proper response to the character being called an asshat is to laugh and reply, "Yeah, really, he's the worst. Pity he's right so often, isn't it?")
Honestly with all they told in that story the party has repeatedly done this which makes it more than justified for me, especially since the DM apparently NEVER interfered. If you booed someone in my group my DM would throw you out faster than you can look.
@@soren3569 That part made me a bit suspicious, since while not *overtly* self-congratulatory, he did make it sound like the one with any sort of skill or understanding. On a different note. I wanted to comment that I notice that DnD players are more likely to be neurodivergent and/or bad at social cues. This doesn't justify causing someone else discomfort in any way. But since *some* degree of jeering and joking with people do exist in mutually beneficial relationships, and those relationships are out there to be used as models, it isn't surprising that a situation could easily (and often) rise in a DnD group and go for months without being address healthily and constructively. And when it *is* put at the forefront, people will just fail to update or change their behavior positively.
@@thiagoalencar3937 There's also the 'Cat Piss Man Factor' (named for a tale from a comic-book store-owner, explaining why nerdy hobbies have a difficult time going mainstream). Basically, because being a nerd often entails being socially an outsider (and did moreso back in the day), there's a common tendency to never actually want to oust anyone just for being socially maladjusted--meaning they have to go to an extreme length to get kicked out of the group, which in turn makes it hard to make the hobby attractive to anyone with standards and boundaries. (The original tale was about a man who LITERALLY smelled like a cat's litter-box, made lots of obnoxious arguments with other customers and the store owner, and creeped on any woman or girl who came into the place--and yet, he still wasn't tossed out on his ass. which meant than anyone who entered and still had olfactory senses quickly departed.)
@@soren3569 Yeah, was seriously sus of this post; the bias in this story is crazy strong. Like no one else has ever made a good decision ever? This group is just stumbling around making bad decisions all the time, yet somehow still alive and functioning as a group, and if they'd just followed his lead they'd have done everything correctly? No, I do not believe that at all. Sounds more like he offers up a suggestion but the suggestion they do go with is not necessarily wrong, just not his. And he doesn't like that. The guy he describes as a Showboat also sounds like he's just taking the piss and playing a very dramatic character. "Go on without me!" when there's no danger behind him doesn't sound like something that's supposed to be taken seriously or get him sacrificial lamb points. It's something a goofy entertainer type character would do to lighten the mood after an intense moment. If you play with one a-hole, you've played with one a-hole. If everyone you play with is an a-hole, maybe you're the actual problem. Especially since it sounds like out of character they were taking special consideration of OP. People who don't like you or don't like playing with you aren't going to buy you a birthday cake to celebrate your birthday with you.
I don't get why people think mercy killing is morally grey. Have you ever had to watch someone you love deteriorate and die, unable to do anything to help?
@@sherylcascadden4988 especially when, like they pointed out, those people were in the process of turning into zombies at best and, as actually turned out to be the case, had already turned (worst case scenario). I get RPing a bit for the lawful/good characters to bounce off of such polar opposite ideas but they obviously went way too far, both in and out of game, to make OP feel like a POS for just voicing their opinion, even when they turned out to be right about a lot of important stuff. I'd frankly tell them to get lost if they tried that shit at my party lol
Also who would boo and jeer at someone at a DnD table!? I'd barely consider it appropriate in a large audience but really, in a smalls scale social setting where your perfectly capable of arguing your case and stating your disapproval? That's just childish and incredibly disrespectful, but doing this shit on his birthday no less, that's just beyond distasteful. That entire group should be ashamed of themselves, if they are capable of even feeling shame that is.
I've been in that situation before, we were in some kind of illusory room full of mirrors, our rogue stepped into a mirror then came out trying to kill us. We all go to take him down non-lethally (or so I think) and when he's down I say "let's tie him up" and the dwarf says "I smash his skull open with my hammer, this isn't our ally". Well the DM then laughs and says I had just killed the rogue (yes me) and everyone started being like "what the hell, Dormaze, I thought we were doing non-lethal", I tried to defend myself and they started going on "you're the one who started the attack, not any of us" (AKA I rolled the highest in initiative so my character attacked first). I don't know if this was meant to be just a big joke, but they did go back into the Discord, telling a group of different players that I had PVP'd the rogue to death. I'd also been the one to ask if I could put him in a sleeper hold or restrain him, and the DM was like "no, just attack", so blah, scapegoated.
Cleric - We had a bard like this. He was a glamour bard that dipped into rogue and he… complained he didn’t get a bunch of kills or deal damage anymore-when the party now included a Barbarian, a Fighter, a Storm Cleric, another Rogue, and a Paladin. His solution was to blow up a national landmark and killed various npc allies, almost caused a TPK, and didn’t kill the villain-meaning the injured party had to chase after the villain with no back up. This bard ended up being a bully, a sexpest creep, a spotlight hog, and a horrible DM so… we were glad to be rid of him.
To be fair though expecting the party's bard to do the healing is Not exactly adequate. Either you are high enough level so the Bard has Mass healing word or you just get Basic healing words at 0 HP, that is neither fun for the bard nor the healed player as they will go down again anyways.
@@nnil3843 it isn’t so much the heals that were the issues. It was he wasn’t getting kills-while picking a setup that is not at all set up to kill. Glamour Bards are set up as support for the team by debuffing the enemies with enchantments and charm effects. And our bard was only equipped with a whip-one of the WORSE weapons for combat.
wouldn't it be hilarious if the dm allowed the nsfw dog cosplayer in and the whole time the character acted completely chill and normal and never made a pass at anyone?
That sounds pretty hilarious, especially like in some sort of book where it was like describing. Oh here's this person wearing this super weird dog costume and just none of the characters ever. Make a comment and the guy just act like a normal guy
Thought we were starting off strong with the first story until I got to the last. Although the DM insisting, "But my gf was into it!1!" wasn't as mind boggling as it should've been for me after playing with a DM/GF duo that didn't understand that didn't understand that *everyone* has to consent to the kink for it to be okay. (Honestly, that one needs to be it's own horror story one day.)
i dont remember if it was here or on Crowe's channel but i dont think anything will top the GM who had his gf ...."polish his wand" under the table while the rest of the group sat at said table
@@mrroboshadow Was that the same as the story where the DM was basically acting out a bdsm scene with his gf in the middle of game? Because, oh God, yup, combine that story with this one and you'd about have the horrible game I ditched from.
With that last story, I think DM and his GF had a fetish they were trying to push on other people. I would be amazed if they actually had a viable weekly game
Exactly! I've played with closeted perverts who hate females of any species and seem to delight in degrading them at every opportunity. I have also played with women who seem to have a r*p* fantasies. D&D is no substitute for therapy people.
idk if you could call it pushing, they went through the typical rule zero process and after a quick "are you sure?" the convo stopped. I *would* suggest they put a warning in the post itself rather than waiting until the interview though. Of course, they should also make sure people are comfortable with it and didn't skim past or misunderstand anything in the interview as well.
Intro “I want a NSFW Dog Play rp” Me: “Sir, this is a Wendy’s.” But for real. The moment he described that stuff I would be “This is not the right roleplay channel for that. I just we leave this conversation now and go off our separate ways.”
It brings me joy knowing that cleric nearly caused a TPK in an attempt to disprove and invalidate a few internet strangers judging him, just for it to end with thousands of internet strangers judging him.
Intro: Uhhhhh........... what the hell? Some people need help. Story 1: What the bloody heck? That's a terrible party. Time to find a new one. NTA. Story 2: Being poked by a spring hurts but in no way is it lethal! Story 3: Dude. What the heck? Story 4: Wow. A nightmare campaign dodged. It's not common OP if ya see this.
At 26:08 I literally sighed at the same time as you. I’ve listened to so many D&D horror stories from various RUclipsrs, and yet this still gets me every time, like “not this shit again, are you serious???”
Man, you always manage to upload right when I get to work. Timing is perfect. Gives me something to listen to in the background. (Oh and the content is always worth it, thanks Crispy.)
Honestly, the story of the Cleric is way more interesting than the one that got title card billing. I don't think that's something that's been addressed, feeling slighted or looked down on and acting out because of it. Hope that guy course corrects and they learn from it.
Yeah I play a cleric I knew from the start I'm not good at doing buffs so my main schtick is I heal and I kill. Sometimes I get that lil voice telling me to buff and I'm glad I did last session! Cause I did and with a lucky guess when my DM asked me "higher or lower" for his secret roll I got my pet ferret turned into a giant weasel
@@aedwardsss It's not about length, it's about which one gets to be the one in the thumbnail and the title. I know one has more shock value than the other, but still.
I do believe that being a healbot isn't the most effecient way to play a cleric but that's only because I think Clerics have a ton of really cool buffs and tools that help mitigate damage in the first place if you use the complete toolbox. Protection spells, invisibility, etc.
Yeah I agree, I also play a cleric, and healing is generally like... my 3rd priority? First being Buffing/debuffing, and then doing damage. That said, every use of spell is of course situational, and as a cleric I would definitely 10000% prioritized mass healing word and getting my knocked out comrades back on their feet in the fourth story's situation :/
@@neila128 Yeah! Clerics are awesome because they're a full toolbox, they have something you can use for nearly any situation. Sure just standing there and healing is not the best way to play them imo but sometimes, you need to land that crucial heal that will win you the battle. You gotta use *all* of your tools!
Okay... there's people who like roleplaying... and than I never thought I'd see the day where I'd see a cross over episode of... *that* type of roleplay in a roleplaying game. Further edit down the last story: **Deep inhale while recoiling from physic damage** If you have a partner who is okay with subjecting your character to sexaul assault in a roleplaying game and still consider this to be appropriate to share in front of other people... this is a red flag. #f50000 levels of red flag!
It's not just them, the gf shares in the fetish and they're looking for more players. As much of a contradiction as it may seem given their fetish, they ARE respecting consent. I'd say their biggest mistake is not giving a warning in the post itself, rather than waiting for the interview to introduce it as a main part of the campaign. Of course, they should still have it brought up in session 0 discussions as well, just to be safe, but I think they'll avoid repeating this by simply giving a heads up from the start. Edit: Session 0, not rule 0. I mixed up my mtg and dnd.
@@TheMightyBattleSquid After listening to the story again and missing the huge clue that gf was definitely in on this. I can see how my comment could be seen as kink shaming. *I* still think its inappropriate, but definitely agree that they should had placed in a NSFW tag in their recruitment posting.
2. Was the character "morally grey" though? The options presented seemed to be 1. Leave the sick and injured behind to slowly die a painful death 2. Put the sick an injured down quickly. 3.(The apparently not proposed but eventually done) free them to die on their own option Now I may have volunteered the third option to the team but made sure we opened their cages AFTER freeing all the healthy prisoners. But depending on how the situation is presented, a mercy killing probably was the better non"evil" option in my book. Especially if I was playing a cleric or Paladin of a good god. Send those poor souls to the waiting, peaceful arms of my characters god. Free their souls from the suffering/ binding mortal coil. If there is no chance at all they can be saved in body, then save their souls the suffering.
I think an explanation of the character's morality and personality could help shed some light. Something I always prioritize, and something i respect others for, is staying in-character and staying true to the character. If there is a solution to a problem, but something about it would make your character object, you should object. If they would be super paranoid, roleplay them that way and take actions in-character (frequently casting dispel/detect magic, checking for traps, making insight checks, etc).
Main defense for calling the character morally grey is how his choices are only proven correct after the fact, beforehand being theories or hunches he hasn't proved whether they're obvious or not. A morally gray character can be right while still being morally grey the same way as a good guy can be wrong while staying a good guy.
I felt like the narrator bias in that story was intense. (He describes the rest of the party as useless and showboat just sounds like a silly person trying to lighten intense moods not someone trying to steal the spotlight.) But yeah, knowing everyone else's alignment and even the other suggestions and their reasons for pushing back would have been good. He said they didn't want to use his idea but didn't say why, only that they started booing. If option 3 had previously been suggested (I find it hard it wasn't if Showboat then did option 3) then yes, I can see any option 3 supporter booing someone who suggests you murder those people without their consent. Option 3 would have been my go-to as well and I would absolutely boo someone who said we need to kill them without consulting them. but I also don't believe that his choices are the only correct ones always in the game the way he poses it. It's completely unrealistic that they've never done anything correctly and only OP's choices have been right in hindsight. OP comes off as 'that guy' to me from how grandios his narrative makes him sound, ironically making him the real showboater. "I do no wrong. It's everyone else who's the problem." If you meet one a-hole, you've met one a-hole. If everyone you meet is an a-hole, you might be the actual a-hole.
For real. One of my main problem player types i have to deal with anymore (and a personal bugbear of mine) are the "i spend a lot of time debating/arguing d&d online with strangers," types. Like... its never a good time. Its always one of two situations 1. Like the story, theyre mad about people having a certain opinion of a certain class/aspect of the game, and theyre out to PROVE how "wrong," those people are (bonus points if theyre mad at a group theyve been TOLD exists, but never actually encountered). And it really doesnt matter how shitty or correct the opinion they hate is. Their determination is going to make THEM the asshole when they get aggressive about forcing their playstyle to go against said opinion, and lumping everyone into this "other side." 2. THEY WILL NOT STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT SOME STRATEGY/SPELL/SUBCLASS THAT THEYVE BEEN TOLD IS OVERPOWERED (OR USED BY PROBLEM PLAYERS) ON REDDIT. They're "super well versed," on the mechanics of the system, of course. They know how "broken," some specific thing can be, because theyve done the research (talked about it on reddit with people who only care about numbers, not playing the game). And god help you if you even approach that specific "strategy," because they'll complain and complain. But not about you. They'll just constantly bring jt up apropos of nothing, and passive-aggressively come at you for it. Nevermind that they're almost ASSUREDLY playing a character thats a walking statblock thats been munchkinned to death. No. THATS fine, because THEYRE using it. Not the mysterious "problem players," that reddit has assigned to the strategies they hate.
That first story reeks a bit of "no really this is how it happened" but if OP genuinely feels that way they should cut ties with Showboat and tell the rest of the party why they felt singled out there.
Yeah, the storyteller bias in that one was intense. Made the rest of the party sound useless and ineffective. Only he is of any value and they don't listen to anything he says even though he's always right. Uh huh. right. Yeah. He's absolutely 'that guy' and despite it his friends still like him. Or did. They might be reconsidering now.
I agree that those kinds of situations are probably rare. I've never played D&D with strangers however (mostly a homebrew system with IRL friends via Discord and Roll20). Sexual themes are pretty common in our games but it's all in the name of flirting with one another - we've got a group made up of a married couple and a dating couple. All of which is always met with the rules of regular ass consent anyway. Which can definitely be fun, my husband's character tackled and pinned one of mine who was someone from husband's character's past and the joke "not what I had in mind being under you" was made with a very "holy heck get the knight in full plate off of me" groan. It got a laugh. People can do sexual without being vulgar is my point. But people can be too much and too weird. Which super sucks.
Story 2 reminds me of a time in a campaign with my second DM, the town was suffering a string of disappearances. Vampires were mentioned, so I was like, "maybe vampires are responsible in part for these" and my party was like "Naw, it couldn't be that, there's no evidence." Turns out I was kinda right, and nobody really acknowledged that (though I was more "called it" with the reveal, so I don't blame them).
Why is "gritty and realistic" always code for "you will get r****** by everything is you play a girl"? It's downright bizarre and I'm wondering if it's actually some kind of actual code phrase for ERP.
The OP of the cleric story made an update and the cleric basically said they were right and even allowed op to keep the story, a great ending that proves that sometimes talking is all you need to fix a situation, as long as both sides are willing to hear
If Japanese cartoons have taught me anything, it's that a shocking number of people want to see monsters being intimate with girls who are both too young and not thrilled with the situation. Kudos to the creepy DM and his creepy girlfriend for being upfront about it.
Hentai is fictional. It's fine, as long as the...enjoyer knows that and doesn't try to SA or R@pe people in real life. They also shouldn't talk about it with strangers, or people they know aren't particularly comfortable with the subject matter, as that probably counts as SA. The problem in that story was that they tried to sneak it into a D&D game with someone who they already knew wouldn't like it. I'll admit, though, I like some dark stuff, but though I might've enjoyed that session like the GF (yes yes, I'm nuts, I know), I wouldn't subject unwilling third parties to it. It's just...not right, alright?
@@EarthPhantomTS They seek it out because they enjoy it, then they get bored and want to try it themselves. This is the evolution of a grape fetishist that enjoys those hentais. They need to be jailed after failing a short questionnaire. I would pass, because mine involves consent.
Last Story: Uh...what? "Since this is a realistic setting, if you do something "stupid" you are likely to get r***" ...Okay uh...thats not how "realistic" stuff works. Thats not even how reality works for one. Also the "If you play a boy, that can't happen to you", again, not how reality works. Secondly, Massive Red Flags going on. Good on OP for leaving that cause that is definitely a Campaign I'm sure 99.9999% of the community would bail on immediately
Fair's fair, that last thing, if the group wants to add sexual assault as part of the gaming environment, as a DM I apply it in all ways. The players who were very-r^pe-friendly decided to cut that part out after they were assaulted by lustful giants who overwhelmed them... but didn't kill them. When they discussed my "bad DM'ing" after the session, I asked why, they said they totally hated the giants part. I said, "Well, them not killing you gave you time to make an escape plan, and you all wanted the X-rated stuff to be part of it. What'd I do wrong?" with the most "sincere" face I could muster. For some reason, once they decided to remove that bit, the female players who left the group came back. Hmm... I wonder why... 🤔
As a former cleric, I can sorta sympathize with the cleric in story 3. But he definitely was taking out frustrations on the wrong people and in the wrong way. Absolutely I agree that clerics are not exclusively heal bots. I, personally, refuse to play a cleric unless it’s the only way to help my group’s balance. The reason being that my last game as a cleric, PF1e, I was actually built to Tank and Damage as a Fire Cleric, who also had Healing domain for the small Cure spell buff, and for a touch ability to heal people below 0hp for 1d4+ Caster level. My feats and stats were set to give me AC in Medium Armor, and do heavy damage output with fire and a sword (a silver scimitar I had a large bonus to hit with, and did extra damage on crits with). And for a while, I was able to keep to this Front Line Tank role, and did really well, shooting off healing spells when needed, and a couple buffs when I was not close enough to hacj someone apart. But, after we hit level 4, I found myself falling behind and being put in cases where I was the most subpar character. It was slow at first, but accelerated as we got more levels. I took a feat at ine point that benefited from me casting fire spells, by letting me give someone a small bit if hp (half my caster level, I think) and a +1 to their next attack or save within a minute. Heck, I was able to even find a really great soell called Celestial Aspect (a 3.5 sanctified spell, apparently, that the dm let me use after I rolled high on a knowledge check about Vile spells) which really fit, as it gave my character angel wings (and a 100ft fly speed) at the cost of 1d4 strength damage, really fitting my Fiery Angelic Priest I was becoming. Then I was tricked into an archetype- no more medium armor, only light. Everyine else was getting magic items that buffed their main stat, I was left out of this, and given a 1 a day circlet that either healed or did damage fir 2d6. Which anyone could use, not just me. Later, a book that, if I used it, made it so I could never harm any humanoids (including goblins, ogres, giants, and other races of the sort) if I wanted a +2 buff to Spell Save DCs for non-damaging spells. 85% of our enemies were humanoid. It also gave allies a cumulative -1 to ALL d20 rolls if they ever killed a “helpless” humanoid (whicu we had done a few times by tying up ogres and goblins and coup de graceing them), ehicu only went away if they didn’t do so fir 24 hours OER -1. As long as they were within 10 MILES of me. That’s just a few things, byt yeah, some tabkes will force the cleric into becoming the stereotype Heal Bot. I again sympathize for Cleric in the story, thiugh again, he took it out the wring wat.
Had a friend who liked to play a cleric but always played american health care style so in counter the wizard/sorcerer and paladin did the healing for free. He never got the hint
LOVE LOVE LOVE the background in this new content. The dice rolls, chill af aesthetic setup, the colors! SUPERB! I am so tired of all the video games rolling in the back that I stopped watching most D&D story vids - this is super refreshing and I’ll be back to watch more!
My husband reading the intro: So you mean to tell me this world has LATEX? On the topic of any kind of sexual violence in an RPG, I'm playing the Pathfinder module Wrath of the Righteous, and given that it has demons, succubi and incubi, and torture, it of all modules could be excused to have such themes. Our campaign, however, has no sexual violence. Our GM (also my husband!) does not include that because it's not only deeply unpleasant for him to RP and narrate, but he also doesn't want us players to be uncomfortable. I'm also particularly disgusted with how so many GMs treat rape like "a bad thing that happens to women" when regular old violence would serve the same narrative purpose, which is also how most hack writers treat the subject, but I digress. On that first one, I am curious to hear the rest of the group's take on the situation, especially given that it's a huge party and OP is cool with killing people trapped in cells. Also, love the new intro and background! ❤
There is nothing that can be said to change my mind that the dude in the last story is just straight up misogynistic. The fact that his wife is okay with it does not at all change my mind that just tells me that she's in a very toxic relationship. I would absolutely love to see this guy try to justify why only women can be assaulted and not men. I'd also love to see someone make a six foot tall battle axe barbarian who would castrate someone and feed it to them if they so much as wiggled their tongue at her.
the booing story is just stupid on the party's part. They like the guy, they apparently like his character. But they boo him every session? the player needs to talk to his party out of game and explain why this upsets him, because this doesn't sound malicious. They just seem like really stupid people that don't realise how they're upsetting him.
Yeah, I'm torn between "They're just playfully busting his balls" and "this sounds like an 'and then everyone clapped'" type of story. I've never seen an entire D&D table suddenly bust out synchronized booing at a player's suggestion.
I have, it typically stems from cases where the group is closely knit in other ways outside of the campaign though, I was on the receiving end of the party's ire though, typically it is a case of the boo'd player ending up as a designated whipping boy. In most cases they will abstain just enough for the targeted player to wonder if it was just them making a bad call while in this individual's case it seems the party lacked any subtlety and they should get out of that campaign asap.
@@Hedge_Knight_Gaming With how they always ignore his advice and never acknowledge that the advice was correct while acting like everything is ok is sign that these people aren't being respectful towards him. The booing would be a final straw since shows they don't like his opinions.
I played a Chaotic Evil death cleric who flat out told the party (mostly neutral and evil) not to expect healing. He was firmly in the camp of "Using my spells to kill the enemy faster ensures they won't kill you." And he did tend to output the most damage for much of the game, sitting in the front line with the barbarian using Spirit Guardians and Spiritual Weapon. However, he did occasionally heal to keep someone from dropping to zero or to bring them up from 0. Mostly keeping the barbarian up. I mean if you look at a cleric's spells, its more cost effective to use a clerics spell slots for damage than healing. Level 1 Cure Wounds heals for 1d8+wis mod. Level 1 Inflict Wounds damaged for 3d10. Its a no brainer. Not to say that a well built healing focused cleric isn't useful. Tho I've seen it done better by one of my players doing a Celestial Sorcerer with a 1 lvl dip into Life Cleric, or even a Lore Bard with a 1 lvl dip into Life Cleric.
Yeah, but this cleric already built himself to be a balanced build rather than an attacker, choosing to change gears because of some online strangers that his party didn't agree with anyway.
@@ArcCaravan yes! this so much! Sure if you build your cleric to be DPR they can be a major damagebot frontliner, but if in the first place you build the cleric to be a balance between support, healing and damage, suddenly focusing on only one aspect will destroy the cleric's balance and throw off the party's dynamics, just like 3rd OP's post
I have a forge cleric Originally I absolutely did not want to be the healer, but I guilt tripped myself into being it anyways because I wouldn't be able to forgive myself when someone dies just because I didn't want to heal My main role is being the tank with my 23 AC though and I use a fun aoe spell that hurts all enemies around me
Last story: Guys can’t be r’d? Really? Makes me want to: A) play a guy and R other guys exclusively. A lot. B) gritty & realistic, eh? Play a female and play up sanitation. Pad, cups, heavy flow days, etc. Many people into the R kink will find that uncomfortable. Keep concentrating on abortion. Also a controversial subject that can disrupt a game. Especially a historical aspect. “I go to the alchemist for a morning after pill.” “They don’t have one” “They have a potion that gives +5 vs any poison and they don’t have one? They sell a material that combusts upon contact with air and they don’t have one?”
I can see were you are coming from, but D.M.s like that have ways to cheat your attempts to disrupt the game. Polymorph and True Polymorph, which are fun spells when the players get to use them how they want to use them, can be used against the players to do very gross things. Like changing a guy character to a guy character with gender dysphoria because his sexual parts where forcibly altered. And assuming they are not into the whole topic of sanitation, they can cheat that by having your character turned into a vampire thrall. They would then use that as an excuse to lock your characters bodily functions, and make you literally unable to say no to your new vampire master. Don't even get me started on how rape happy D.M.'s deal with abortion. There was one horror story where someone had to make three saves at disadvantage to not die from having an abortion, of course I might have gotten the number of saves wrong because I don't remember everything from that story. Don't try to match these people, they have much more experience at being a creepy cringe lord then you. My advice would be to get up from the table, raise both your middle fingers and walk away. Don't forget to block them on your social media and post about their grossness on reddit. Your time is money, and you have better things to spend it on than these failures.
The DM wasn't really saying that they can't, but that it wouldn't happen. This is the DM's standard punishment for female characters who don't behave the way the DM wants. In his world, males are heroes and females are prizes. By playing a female character the player upsets that balance and draws the retribution of being "put in her place". The DM isn't creating a world or a story, the game is straight up misogynistic power fantasy wearing a fantasy mask.
With that last story, you're worst case scenarios end up being coming across faceless creeps that casually include things like this that are more numerous than you like or you meet one of these people in-person and find yourselves in real danger. im an african american male and unforuntately ive come across both with one older dude talking about his interest in me and another irl too comfortable with casual racism. I've played female pcs that suddenly have it sprung upon them at least three times online and I wonder "how are people just so casually okay with this where they go into full detail?" I'm glad I never played D&D growing up because I can't help but worry the worst kinds of people I would've come across; it's bad now, but I don't believe I would find the same level of degenerates playing irl and online than I would decades ago.
I love playing support and I love healing and buffing my teammates. I'm naturally timid so I find it difficult to get into attacking things, but a support role is just right for me.
The last one makes it seem like men can’t be SA’ed… plus my first time playing dnd my character was abducted and r worded bc I missed a session for work…
Bro that description is crazy timing. Haven't bought lego in years but just picked up a kickass hogwarts a couple days ago. Only 1200 pieces but still pretty big. Thinking I might pick up the other couple sets that attach on to it at some time in the near future
For the cleric, guy needs to remember that the performance of any given character build isn’t a reflection of your personal attributes as a person, it’s literally all just mathematics and reading most of which you don’t have to do yourself because it’s already online Certain builds focus on certain aspects of gameplay, while some clerics subclasses actually excel in DPR he’s clearly not playing any of them and is compensating by being stupid and bad at basic strategy
So quick thing in that one cleric’s defense. Spiritual weapon doesn’t require concentration so it would have still been present even after he went down. But that doesn’t excuse his actions at all
So, female characters have a HIGH chance of being raped, because "realism," and male characters have NO chance of being raped, because "realism." He DOES know that men can be, and ARE, raped, right? RIGHT? He KNOWS that?! Also, why would women have such a high rate of being raped? AND WHY THE HELL WAS THE GIRLFRIEND GIGGLING ABOUT BEING RAPED?! The whole game sounds utterly disgusting.
This. I want to slap Berserk into their faces because the main character-the “manliest man” was sold as a sex slave. Idiot men think rape only happens to women when the reality is that rape is a method of dehumanizing and depower ANYONE and EVERYONE (see prison rape, Rape of Nanking, the multiple sex scandals from religious organizations and cults, sex abuse against the elderly and disabled care facilities, etc)
I can beat those reskins. Working on a 5e setting where it's all normal 5e except the world is absurdly big, has a massive arch over it the sun hangs from, and all magic requires these special focus items that high ranking mages and priests know how to manufacture using magical artifacts but they secretly have no real clue they work. If you haven't figured it out, they're on a ringworld (to the younger crowd, Halo's big daddy) and the magic is sufficiently based technology. By the end they'll find out the gods are AI administrators, end the conquest of some Genghis Khan-type warlord using a tech cache to dominate his neighbors, and defeat eldritch space whales that are using the ring as a feeding ground. All this because my wife didn't read Ringworld.
Cleric can absolutely be a very effective damage dealer who will put all but the most min maxed weapon users to shame (and I'm not talking about overhyped meme builds like Hexadin). But you have to be tactical about things, and it does require the group to cooperate (e.g. Letting the enemies come to the party through spirit guardians instead of charging in blindly). The problem is that the Cleric in the aecond to last story combined Leroy Jenkins's survival instincts with poor use of spell slots (Upcasting a spiritual weapon you will lose if you go down when you're at 5 HP is a truly dumb plan).
Story One: Please keep your nsfw roleplay out of groups. Story Two: You ~can~ run anything you want in 5e, but there are systems that will more easily fit the tone of story you're going for. I think there are some really good zombie-themed ttrpgs that this DM could have used Story Three: please stop taking out your out-of-game frustrations in-game. also if Cleric wanted to be a huge damage-dealer they could have picked another class. Yes, clerics don't have to be healers only, but don't just ruin the game for everyone because you don't want to do some of the stuff that the class is primed to do. If you're sick of your character, talk to the DM about retiring them and rolling up a new one. Story Four: all i can say is ben affleck smoking.jpg.
Have yet to get to story 2 so im guessing they tried to add mechanics that wouldnt really work in 5e. Im pretty sure a zombie themed game can work but with the limitations of 5e and homebrew like the gunslinger subclass or other things
I thought the cleric's issue was more about forcing a build made for multiple roles act strictly as an attacker in the middle of a campaign that seemed to have a party that built there characters around combat roles.
Hey, love your videos! And think it has actually helped our group to do better (we were never on a horror level. Just some minor issues). Just in general, I think it would be good if the Content Warning was actually read out by you instead of just hinted at by the "danger danger" sound. Cause I mainly listen to your videos and assume that many others do the same.
This reminds me of another story, when one of the characters tried to ****** another character. And OP saved the day by...****** the character who wanted to ****** in the first place. That Guy left the game and everyone had a good laugh.
I remember that story from another channnel. It was darkly hilarious, and cathartic how uncomfortable That Guy got when the shoe was on the other foot.
The low magic zombie game would have fit perfectly in the Fantasy Flights Game system that the Star wars RPGs use. They have the realms of terrinoth and genysis systems that easily could have given both that gm and those players the perfect setting and ability to play that style of game. Sounds like that GM just isn't super familiar with all the available systems out there and tried to make the 5E work for something it wasn't built for
When I played TTRPGs regularly, it was mostly D&D 3.5 and 1e Pathfinder. So the "Clerics can't be damage-dealers" comment seemed really weird to me. For those of you that don't know, beefy Cleric or Druid builds were pretty common in 3.5 and by extension, Pathfinder. Enough so that "CoD-zilla" (Cleric or Druid- zilla) was a common term in the lingo of the time. Maybe 5e is different?
gritty realism... very rarely done right. But imo, is one of the best rp experience when done correctly. Resource management, moral dilemmas, consequences, and the ripple effects. Then again, it was ran by a philo professor for students in his class...
I'm running as a druid in my campaign. While I had intended to be full DPS I've become a hybrid healer because that's what the party needed. We later had a cleric joins who wants to do damage too but she doesn't ignore the party when they need help. Between the two of us, we each get to wear both a healer and a DPS hat and it works for us. We also have another druid in the party who can throw down emergency heals as needed. If anyone's the designated healer, its probably me, especially as I have a +1 moon sickle to boost heals. I don't mind, I'm more focused on keeping everyone alive so we can continue to have fun together and see how the story unfolds. I'm also going to be picking up the fey touched feet and making one of my infinite spells be a low level healing spell. It'll be nice to not have to balance spell slots for damage versus keeping the party up.
The opening anecdote comes out of nowhere and whacks you in the face. Like, dude there are definitely people who will roleplay the sort of things you clearly want to do, but a DND group is not the right type of roleplay for that. They'd have more success on an actual 18+ rp place
My fiancé plays in all my games and almost always his character ends up hooking up with my sandbox-plot-guidance DMPC (who is always too damn busy with their own shit to interfere with the party being the protagonists and getting shit done) We also have a very healthy bedroom life outside TTRPGs. But dear god why the fuck would anyone bring lurid descriptions of that into games? Mild flirty behavior that doesn’t get in the way of the story, private sessions to indulge in gooey romance so it doesn’t inconvenience the other players, followed by “The characters have a wonderful time” is good enough. I haven’t had complaints doing it that way. It can even be funny- “Fiancé, your character takes two levels of fatigue and gains Forbidden Lore: Astartes Biology” earned a lot of laughter in the rogue trader game I’m running. (Yes, I know space marines normally can’t do that but there’s some warp fuckery and the gene seed he got was unstable) CW: pitch-black themes below. If you want an NPC to have been assaulted, there’s a way to do it tastefully: make the assaulter the bad guy and let the party kill them eventually. My players in a world of darkness game I run worked their fucking asses off to take down a BBEG who was a human trafficker and having him killed was a massive reward that brought the entire city together as one. Not just a reward for the players, but Justice for all the NPCs they’ve grown to love and care for. You can have dark themes. Pitch-black themes. But make the monster the bad guy. Not a nasty ally, not someone the players have to work with to get anywhere. You can make it disgusting and gut punching without going full edgelord. Describing an empty shed where people used to be kept, and the engineering that goes into it, is a lot more effective than describing in lurid detail the terrible things happening to people. “XYZ is happening to a person right now!” is fetishistic and gross. “They’re using the same technology for their people cells that livestock barns use to keep the waste and methane gas from piling up” is a gut-wrenching, knife-twisting message to the players that these monsters see real live human beings as things. There’s no reasoning with the bad guys. They do not care. They want money and power and they choose not to have empathy. Kill the monsters, save the victims. Yes, the world is morally grey, to a point. The monsters are beyond that point.
18:56 Look, as a (former) FFXIV, I get that, if you don't need to heal, you should be doing damage. However, the key part is: DO NOT *NEED* TO HEAL. It is very clear that the Cleric is not doing their primary duty of making sure the party does not die.
Hey Crispy, you mentioned trying to make a Stranger Things based game. I honestly think you might be better off trying it in the HERO system rather than any D&D edition. It can be a very daunting system to learn, but it flows very smoothly once you're in and is far more flexible than D&D for other settings.
Not gonna lie, I miss Zavala's office for the AITA bits. As for everything else... there's always the Zeal Domain from Amonkhet if you want your cleric to do damage and heal. But here... yeah, Cleric needed to stop letting that argument wind him up.
Why do so many people think "Mature" equals "rape everywhere all the time"? Just...just why? It's not even just a TTRPG thing, so many creators of all kinds are that specific flavour of stupid edgelord.
"Mature" should test your beliefs, give deep character advancement and touch on topics that would be tough to think through, such as morality, mortality, survival versus nature, and even tests of loyalty
"Everything sucks and everyone hates you" is not mature or realistic. It just feels like the GM trying to get catharsis from tormenting players.
People using "mature" rating to be edgy by having things that'd require a content warning.
If you think that being mature means doing horrible things and not receiving consequences then guess what? You’re not mature.
they're horny socially inept shut ins that want to pass as smart mature shut ins.
it's that simple.
When I hear "realism," I think "The Nightingale," or "The Revenant." Don't give me "Mr. Pickles," and then get shocked when I complain that I was lied to.
Mature and grity now days means "I want to express my crazy sexual and sadistic fetish towards everyone, and they should be ok with it"
"Slaying dungeons, crawling through dragons"
Den of the Drake: I feel so violated!
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My fellow Americans, i can, with full backing from the white house, say that u would crawl through him any day of the week
I heard that in his voice. lol
Glad to hear others caught that too, haha
then just wait untill he hears crispy calling him a furry again
I was once kicked out of a group for being a bad roleplayer. I later learned from another member of the group that I was friends with outside of the group that that translated into my character's roleplay didn't revolve around the DM's wife's character and outside of the game I was the only member of the group who wasn't having sex with the DM's wife. Apparently she likes being the Queen Bee and he likes to watch. People have their kinks and that's okay. I just wish they had been upfront from the start so I would have known to find another group instead of wasting my time and theirs.
Prologue story: I think you're looking for a different kind of role play.
Last Story: If it's really supposed to be for realism (which c'mon...we all know it's not) then guys should also be at risk. If only the girls are vulnerable, you know it's just for someone to get off on it.
I *hate* when fucko's try to hide their gonad jollies behind "gritty realism™"
EXACTLY
'Specially with monsters which shouldn't be able to tell male and female humans apart!
Probably watches those Hentais....
This is super old, but I'd come into the comments to basically say the same thing. If you want to make your DnD game to include your grape fetish, then just say it. Don't hide behind the BS idea that it's 'realism.'
I've been in the place where that Cleric was; getting way too worked up about idiots in the internet. The important thing to realize is exactly what the Wizard said: no imaginary number in a tabletop game is going to impress a bunch of random forum trolls.
I think my favorite thing about this channel is how there's an audio when trigger warnings are on the screen, to notify people who may be listening without looking at the screen. The consideration for people with triggers is just so nice to see
For the last story, dear lord...
At least OP found out before she joined this group...
That last story... wouldn't be so bad if it had been explicitly advertised as a nsfw game about boinking monsters (which is what it sounds like to me), but no, it's always the "gritty realism" angle. I don't think I've heard any story where the words "gritty realism" were used to describe the game and it didn't mean "female characters and npcs will be assaulted for my own amusement".
*shudders in disgust* Wtf is wrong with people like this?😛😕
@UC2OjAJ9QEuX-IdAFPJlRohQ True, I'm reading into things a bit - him putting forth the story of his gf's character being assaulted and her seeming to be enthusiastic about it; that and the "how okay are you with sex" questions make me believe that there's at least something kinky going on (which is fine if everyone is made aware and consents before)
I do feel like OP - a survivor - was subjected to sexual content against her will by having to listen to a story about a girl getting assaulted. I imagine that was at the very least uncomfortable.
Personally, I think if sexual assault in any capacity would be possible in your game, it should be at the very least mentioned somewhere before participants fill out an application.
It's especially annoying how naively they insist this doesn't happen to guys. So, cool, they're shitting on two subsets of survivors in different ways.
I'm not even a female survivor, but I refuse to play any game that uses this logic because I get PTSD flashbacks in my skin. Don't need that for a game that's supposed to be fun.
You go into a game expecting something like game of thrones, and you get hentai instead. People need to learn what gritty realism actually means. Which means a dark setting were the fantastical elements are downplayed to create a world were there is more risk in picking fights, and being able to avoid fights is important for a long lasting character. It does not mean a world where people are sexually assaulted by every other monster. The hentai wasn't even that good because they kept targeting females, and it was purely nonconsent.
I get some people indulge in the fantasy, but you probably shouldn't put it in a public forum and invite strangers into it. It's not for the vast majority of people.
For the last story I get the feeling that the group doesn’t have any personal experience with sexual violence so can comfortably interact as an abstract fantasy, however the way they’re doing clearly clashes heavily with someone who’s actually experienced such matters
Yep. I see it all the time with men specifically, but mostly teenage boys. Not all men of course, it's just more common.
@@ettaetta439 Such fantasies aren't that uncommon for women, either. But, of course, they probably only endulge in those from the savety of their homes while never actually having suffered anything like it. It's a different and completely safe situation when it remains a fantasy.
@@Nr4747 Exactly. I think this subject of "what's okay to read and enjoy in fiction" also is very nuanced. I just finished a book series that I absolutely loved because it had all my favorite tropes, favorite dynamic, amazing world building and plot--and only one kiss scene out of all the five books was consensual. I would've preferred no SA at all, but I decided to just pretend they were consensual in my head. The author wanted me to treat them as such, and I didn't have it in me to argue.
This is impacted by the fact that it was a Chinese light novel series. It's common to have SA in these light novels due to internalized shame and wanting the main character to "remain pure". If the love interest forces themselves on the mc, then the mc doesn't lose their purity by acting/having those types of feelings, but also still be able to participate in those acts and thus reap the benefits of titillating the reader without the shame.
I believe that a lot of the dark romance genre is fueled by this purity culture shame. When you make things taboo, people want to explore it in fiction. And if you feel shame around even initiating intimate acts because you view it as lessening your worth, then having a fantasy of someone just taking what they want from you is not uncommon. It's not a surprise this fantasy manifests in women, who typically are shamed for having any desires at all. That's why these books tend to focus on the "innocence" and "purity" of the main character. It's wish fulfillment fantasy.
@@Nr4747 "while never having actually suffered anything like it" as someone who is afab as well as a survivor, I can assure you this is not true. Many survivors healthily engage with the subject in a safe way, often as a means of cope or to explore the past trauma in a safe environment where they are in control.
That being said I would not appreciate a group who pushes those themes on me without prior knowledge or my consent because that strips away my control and would take me back to my past experiences.
@@KalinTheZola Ah, good to know, thank you. I didn't want to assume anything in that direction because I haven't read any studies on it, am not a survivor myself and haven't talked to any survivors about the subject. But it illustrates my point even more (not saying that you didn't mean to agree with my point): A fantasy is a fantasy and nothing more. Us humans are actually quite good at differenciating fantasy from reality.
"Boo'd on your Birthday" Story:
NTA, OP is right to be, at the very least, displeased with the way the party treats him IC and OoC. Simply suggesting a possible option to take outta pretty much infinite decisions you could possibly decide upon, and getting boo'd and jeered at cause the party doesn't want to go with that decision is immature.
Best thing to do here would be to talk to the DM and/or the other players, or find another group.
Side Note: I think OP was also perfectly valid to make a "Oh please" comment when their friend (who started the Booing and Jeering. As per usual according to OP) was like "I have to get my friend back" when OP's character sacrificed themselves and practically died. You don't get to act like a twat In and Out of Character towards someone, and then be like "I shall mourn you."
As told, I concur. I will say that this story, more than most of them, may have an authorship bias. Unwanted sexual comments, physical assaults, etc, are all cases of obviously crossing the line. But it's possible this player isn't being fully honest about their own level of group antagonism. So I wouldn't want to condemn that particular group without at least hearing their side of things. (One thing I did notice--OP had a tendency to conflate critiques of the character with critiques of himself. If you know you're playing an asshat, the proper response to the character being called an asshat is to laugh and reply, "Yeah, really, he's the worst. Pity he's right so often, isn't it?")
Honestly with all they told in that story the party has repeatedly done this which makes it more than justified for me, especially since the DM apparently NEVER interfered.
If you booed someone in my group my DM would throw you out faster than you can look.
@@soren3569 That part made me a bit suspicious, since while not *overtly* self-congratulatory, he did make it sound like the one with any sort of skill or understanding.
On a different note. I wanted to comment that I notice that DnD players are more likely to be neurodivergent and/or bad at social cues. This doesn't justify causing someone else discomfort in any way. But since *some* degree of jeering and joking with people do exist in mutually beneficial relationships, and those relationships are out there to be used as models, it isn't surprising that a situation could easily (and often) rise in a DnD group and go for months without being address healthily and constructively. And when it *is* put at the forefront, people will just fail to update or change their behavior positively.
@@thiagoalencar3937 There's also the 'Cat Piss Man Factor' (named for a tale from a comic-book store-owner, explaining why nerdy hobbies have a difficult time going mainstream). Basically, because being a nerd often entails being socially an outsider (and did moreso back in the day), there's a common tendency to never actually want to oust anyone just for being socially maladjusted--meaning they have to go to an extreme length to get kicked out of the group, which in turn makes it hard to make the hobby attractive to anyone with standards and boundaries.
(The original tale was about a man who LITERALLY smelled like a cat's litter-box, made lots of obnoxious arguments with other customers and the store owner, and creeped on any woman or girl who came into the place--and yet, he still wasn't tossed out on his ass. which meant than anyone who entered and still had olfactory senses quickly departed.)
@@soren3569 Yeah, was seriously sus of this post; the bias in this story is crazy strong. Like no one else has ever made a good decision ever? This group is just stumbling around making bad decisions all the time, yet somehow still alive and functioning as a group, and if they'd just followed his lead they'd have done everything correctly? No, I do not believe that at all. Sounds more like he offers up a suggestion but the suggestion they do go with is not necessarily wrong, just not his. And he doesn't like that.
The guy he describes as a Showboat also sounds like he's just taking the piss and playing a very dramatic character. "Go on without me!" when there's no danger behind him doesn't sound like something that's supposed to be taken seriously or get him sacrificial lamb points. It's something a goofy entertainer type character would do to lighten the mood after an intense moment.
If you play with one a-hole, you've played with one a-hole. If everyone you play with is an a-hole, maybe you're the actual problem. Especially since it sounds like out of character they were taking special consideration of OP. People who don't like you or don't like playing with you aren't going to buy you a birthday cake to celebrate your birthday with you.
Booed on Your Birthday - NTA
OP is the party scapegoat, while everyone else loves to make their own fucked up situations.
I don't get why people think mercy killing is morally grey.
Have you ever had to watch someone you love deteriorate and die, unable to do anything to help?
@@sherylcascadden4988 especially when, like they pointed out, those people were in the process of turning into zombies at best and, as actually turned out to be the case, had already turned (worst case scenario). I get RPing a bit for the lawful/good characters to bounce off of such polar opposite ideas but they obviously went way too far, both in and out of game, to make OP feel like a POS for just voicing their opinion, even when they turned out to be right about a lot of important stuff. I'd frankly tell them to get lost if they tried that shit at my party lol
Also who would boo and jeer at someone at a DnD table!? I'd barely consider it appropriate in a large audience but really, in a smalls scale social setting where your perfectly capable of arguing your case and stating your disapproval? That's just childish and incredibly disrespectful, but doing this shit on his birthday no less, that's just beyond distasteful. That entire group should be ashamed of themselves, if they are capable of even feeling shame that is.
That reminds of game war craft want Arthur say something 🤔 it hard decision needed strong of will
I've been in that situation before, we were in some kind of illusory room full of mirrors, our rogue stepped into a mirror then came out trying to kill us.
We all go to take him down non-lethally (or so I think) and when he's down I say "let's tie him up" and the dwarf says "I smash his skull open with my hammer, this isn't our ally".
Well the DM then laughs and says I had just killed the rogue (yes me) and everyone started being like "what the hell, Dormaze, I thought we were doing non-lethal", I tried to defend myself and they started going on "you're the one who started the attack, not any of us" (AKA I rolled the highest in initiative so my character attacked first).
I don't know if this was meant to be just a big joke, but they did go back into the Discord, telling a group of different players that I had PVP'd the rogue to death.
I'd also been the one to ask if I could put him in a sleeper hold or restrain him, and the DM was like "no, just attack", so blah, scapegoated.
Cleric -
We had a bard like this. He was a glamour bard that dipped into rogue and he… complained he didn’t get a bunch of kills or deal damage anymore-when the party now included a Barbarian, a Fighter, a Storm Cleric, another Rogue, and a Paladin.
His solution was to blow up a national landmark and killed various npc allies, almost caused a TPK, and didn’t kill the villain-meaning the injured party had to chase after the villain with no back up.
This bard ended up being a bully, a sexpest creep, a spotlight hog, and a horrible DM so… we were glad to be rid of him.
To be fair though expecting the party's bard to do the healing is Not exactly adequate. Either you are high enough level so the Bard has Mass healing word or you just get Basic healing words at 0 HP, that is neither fun for the bard nor the healed player as they will go down again anyways.
@@nnil3843 it isn’t so much the heals that were the issues. It was he wasn’t getting kills-while picking a setup that is not at all set up to kill.
Glamour Bards are set up as support for the team by debuffing the enemies with enchantments and charm effects. And our bard was only equipped with a whip-one of the WORSE weapons for combat.
Can we make sexpest an actual label for these kinda people? It actually makes a ton of sense and is appropriate.
wouldn't it be hilarious if the dm allowed the nsfw dog cosplayer in and the whole time the character acted completely chill and normal and never made a pass at anyone?
would be hilarious.
Shame that wouldn't be the case, and they'd always be that creepy asshole who nobody likes.
That sounds pretty hilarious, especially like in some sort of book where it was like describing. Oh here's this person wearing this super weird dog costume and just none of the characters ever. Make a comment and the guy just act like a normal guy
Thought we were starting off strong with the first story until I got to the last. Although the DM insisting, "But my gf was into it!1!" wasn't as mind boggling as it should've been for me after playing with a DM/GF duo that didn't understand that didn't understand that *everyone* has to consent to the kink for it to be okay. (Honestly, that one needs to be it's own horror story one day.)
i dont remember if it was here or on Crowe's channel but i dont think anything will top the GM who had his gf ...."polish his wand" under the table while the rest of the group sat at said table
@@mrroboshadow Was that the same as the story where the DM was basically acting out a bdsm scene with his gf in the middle of game? Because, oh God, yup, combine that story with this one and you'd about have the horrible game I ditched from.
@@Redluna32 ya know i cant remember but making sure would involved having to relive that story again so i'll just say....probably
"Slaying dungeons and crawling through dragons" made me giggle.
With that last story, I think DM and his GF had a fetish they were trying to push on other people. I would be amazed if they actually had a viable weekly game
that or they just wanted to mess with OP
wouldnt be the first time i read about someone "interviewing" as an excuse to mess with people
@@bloodleafz actually he did describe it
the OP says it twice
@@bloodleafz you know what im gonna just mute you and stop replying to you
you defending that is giving off major creep vibes so yeah see ya
Exactly! I've played with closeted perverts who hate females of any species and seem to delight in degrading them at every opportunity. I have also played with women who seem to have a r*p* fantasies. D&D is no substitute for therapy people.
idk if you could call it pushing, they went through the typical rule zero process and after a quick "are you sure?" the convo stopped. I *would* suggest they put a warning in the post itself rather than waiting until the interview though. Of course, they should also make sure people are comfortable with it and didn't skim past or misunderstand anything in the interview as well.
Intro
“I want a NSFW Dog Play rp”
Me: “Sir, this is a Wendy’s.”
But for real. The moment he described that stuff I would be “This is not the right roleplay channel for that. I just we leave this conversation now and go off our separate ways.”
Alternatively: "We can do that, but it's $9.99 per minute, up front."
It brings me joy knowing that cleric nearly caused a TPK in an attempt to disprove and invalidate a few internet strangers judging him, just for it to end with thousands of internet strangers judging him.
Happily with the update he realised his mistake and actually encouraged OP to leave the first up so others can learn from his story
Intro: Uhhhhh........... what the hell? Some people need help.
Story 1: What the bloody heck? That's a terrible party. Time to find a new one. NTA.
Story 2: Being poked by a spring hurts but in no way is it lethal!
Story 3: Dude. What the heck?
Story 4: Wow. A nightmare campaign dodged. It's not common OP if ya see this.
At 26:08 I literally sighed at the same time as you. I’ve listened to so many D&D horror stories from various RUclipsrs, and yet this still gets me every time, like “not this shit again, are you serious???”
Man, you always manage to upload right when I get to work. Timing is perfect. Gives me something to listen to in the background. (Oh and the content is always worth it, thanks Crispy.)
Honestly, the story of the Cleric is way more interesting than the one that got title card billing. I don't think that's something that's been addressed, feeling slighted or looked down on and acting out because of it. Hope that guy course corrects and they learn from it.
Yeah, but the title card stories or get more viewers. Honestly those kinds of stories lose my interest because they feel obvious.
Yeah I play a cleric I knew from the start I'm not good at doing buffs so my main schtick is I heal and I kill. Sometimes I get that lil voice telling me to buff and I'm glad I did last session! Cause I did and with a lucky guess when my DM asked me "higher or lower" for his secret roll I got my pet ferret turned into a giant weasel
I think the longer stories are intended to hold attention while the short ones are there to get our attention.
@@aedwardsss It's not about length, it's about which one gets to be the one in the thumbnail and the title. I know one has more shock value than the other, but still.
I do believe that being a healbot isn't the most effecient way to play a cleric but that's only because I think Clerics have a ton of really cool buffs and tools that help mitigate damage in the first place if you use the complete toolbox. Protection spells, invisibility, etc.
Yeah I agree, I also play a cleric, and healing is generally like... my 3rd priority? First being Buffing/debuffing, and then doing damage. That said, every use of spell is of course situational, and as a cleric I would definitely 10000% prioritized mass healing word and getting my knocked out comrades back on their feet in the fourth story's situation :/
@@neila128 Yeah! Clerics are awesome because they're a full toolbox, they have something you can use for nearly any situation. Sure just standing there and healing is not the best way to play them imo but sometimes, you need to land that crucial heal that will win you the battle. You gotta use *all* of your tools!
Okay... there's people who like roleplaying... and than I never thought I'd see the day where I'd see a cross over episode of... *that* type of roleplay in a roleplaying game.
Further edit down the last story: **Deep inhale while recoiling from physic damage** If you have a partner who is okay with subjecting your character to sexaul assault in a roleplaying game and still consider this to be appropriate to share in front of other people... this is a red flag. #f50000 levels of red flag!
It's not just them, the gf shares in the fetish and they're looking for more players. As much of a contradiction as it may seem given their fetish, they ARE respecting consent. I'd say their biggest mistake is not giving a warning in the post itself, rather than waiting for the interview to introduce it as a main part of the campaign. Of course, they should still have it brought up in session 0 discussions as well, just to be safe, but I think they'll avoid repeating this by simply giving a heads up from the start.
Edit: Session 0, not rule 0. I mixed up my mtg and dnd.
@@TheMightyBattleSquid After listening to the story again and missing the huge clue that gf was definitely in on this. I can see how my comment could be seen as kink shaming. *I* still think its inappropriate, but definitely agree that they should had placed in a NSFW tag in their recruitment posting.
2. Was the character "morally grey" though? The options presented seemed to be 1. Leave the sick and injured behind to slowly die a painful death 2. Put the sick an injured down quickly. 3.(The apparently not proposed but eventually done) free them to die on their own option
Now I may have volunteered the third option to the team but made sure we opened their cages AFTER freeing all the healthy prisoners. But depending on how the situation is presented, a mercy killing probably was the better non"evil" option in my book. Especially if I was playing a cleric or Paladin of a good god. Send those poor souls to the waiting, peaceful arms of my characters god. Free their souls from the suffering/ binding mortal coil. If there is no chance at all they can be saved in body, then save their souls the suffering.
I think an explanation of the character's morality and personality could help shed some light. Something I always prioritize, and something i respect others for, is staying in-character and staying true to the character. If there is a solution to a problem, but something about it would make your character object, you should object. If they would be super paranoid, roleplay them that way and take actions in-character (frequently casting dispel/detect magic, checking for traps, making insight checks, etc).
Main defense for calling the character morally grey is how his choices are only proven correct after the fact, beforehand being theories or hunches he hasn't proved whether they're obvious or not. A morally gray character can be right while still being morally grey the same way as a good guy can be wrong while staying a good guy.
I felt like the narrator bias in that story was intense. (He describes the rest of the party as useless and showboat just sounds like a silly person trying to lighten intense moods not someone trying to steal the spotlight.) But yeah, knowing everyone else's alignment and even the other suggestions and their reasons for pushing back would have been good. He said they didn't want to use his idea but didn't say why, only that they started booing. If option 3 had previously been suggested (I find it hard it wasn't if Showboat then did option 3) then yes, I can see any option 3 supporter booing someone who suggests you murder those people without their consent. Option 3 would have been my go-to as well and I would absolutely boo someone who said we need to kill them without consulting them.
but I also don't believe that his choices are the only correct ones always in the game the way he poses it. It's completely unrealistic that they've never done anything correctly and only OP's choices have been right in hindsight. OP comes off as 'that guy' to me from how grandios his narrative makes him sound, ironically making him the real showboater. "I do no wrong. It's everyone else who's the problem."
If you meet one a-hole, you've met one a-hole. If everyone you meet is an a-hole, you might be the actual a-hole.
For real. One of my main problem player types i have to deal with anymore (and a personal bugbear of mine) are the "i spend a lot of time debating/arguing d&d online with strangers," types. Like... its never a good time. Its always one of two situations
1. Like the story, theyre mad about people having a certain opinion of a certain class/aspect of the game, and theyre out to PROVE how "wrong," those people are (bonus points if theyre mad at a group theyve been TOLD exists, but never actually encountered). And it really doesnt matter how shitty or correct the opinion they hate is. Their determination is going to make THEM the asshole when they get aggressive about forcing their playstyle to go against said opinion, and lumping everyone into this "other side."
2. THEY WILL NOT STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT SOME STRATEGY/SPELL/SUBCLASS THAT THEYVE BEEN TOLD IS OVERPOWERED (OR USED BY PROBLEM PLAYERS) ON REDDIT. They're "super well versed," on the mechanics of the system, of course. They know how "broken," some specific thing can be, because theyve done the research (talked about it on reddit with people who only care about numbers, not playing the game). And god help you if you even approach that specific "strategy," because they'll complain and complain. But not about you. They'll just constantly bring jt up apropos of nothing, and passive-aggressively come at you for it. Nevermind that they're almost ASSUREDLY playing a character thats a walking statblock thats been munchkinned to death. No. THATS fine, because THEYRE using it. Not the mysterious "problem players," that reddit has assigned to the strategies they hate.
That first story reeks a bit of "no really this is how it happened" but if OP genuinely feels that way they should cut ties with Showboat and tell the rest of the party why they felt singled out there.
Yeah, the storyteller bias in that one was intense. Made the rest of the party sound useless and ineffective. Only he is of any value and they don't listen to anything he says even though he's always right.
Uh huh. right. Yeah. He's absolutely 'that guy' and despite it his friends still like him. Or did. They might be reconsidering now.
Prologue: "You seem to be misunderstanding of what the 'Roleplay' in 'Role-Playing Game'. means."
I agree that those kinds of situations are probably rare. I've never played D&D with strangers however (mostly a homebrew system with IRL friends via Discord and Roll20). Sexual themes are pretty common in our games but it's all in the name of flirting with one another - we've got a group made up of a married couple and a dating couple. All of which is always met with the rules of regular ass consent anyway. Which can definitely be fun, my husband's character tackled and pinned one of mine who was someone from husband's character's past and the joke "not what I had in mind being under you" was made with a very "holy heck get the knight in full plate off of me" groan. It got a laugh. People can do sexual without being vulgar is my point. But people can be too much and too weird. Which super sucks.
Story 2 reminds me of a time in a campaign with my second DM, the town was suffering a string of disappearances. Vampires were mentioned, so I was like, "maybe vampires are responsible in part for these" and my party was like "Naw, it couldn't be that, there's no evidence." Turns out I was kinda right, and nobody really acknowledged that (though I was more "called it" with the reveal, so I don't blame them).
Why is "gritty and realistic" always code for "you will get r****** by everything is you play a girl"? It's downright bizarre and I'm wondering if it's actually some kind of actual code phrase for ERP.
Some people want to use it to be edgy, unfortunately. Or worse, some twisted titillation.
The OP of the cleric story made an update and the cleric basically said they were right and even allowed op to keep the story, a great ending that proves that sometimes talking is all you need to fix a situation, as long as both sides are willing to hear
If Japanese cartoons have taught me anything, it's that a shocking number of people want to see monsters being intimate with girls who are both too young and not thrilled with the situation.
Kudos to the creepy DM and his creepy girlfriend for being upfront about it.
yeah few things are worse in a game than having that shit thrown at you
Hentai is fictional. It's fine, as long as the...enjoyer knows that and doesn't try to SA or R@pe people in real life. They also shouldn't talk about it with strangers, or people they know aren't particularly comfortable with the subject matter, as that probably counts as SA. The problem in that story was that they tried to sneak it into a D&D game with someone who they already knew wouldn't like it. I'll admit, though, I like some dark stuff, but though I might've enjoyed that session like the GF (yes yes, I'm nuts, I know), I wouldn't subject unwilling third parties to it. It's just...not right, alright?
@@EarthPhantomTS yeah that ain't right. not everyone's gonna be comfortable with that.
@@EarthPhantomTS They seek it out because they enjoy it, then they get bored and want to try it themselves. This is the evolution of a grape fetishist that enjoys those hentais.
They need to be jailed after failing a short questionnaire. I would pass, because mine involves consent.
Last Story: Uh...what? "Since this is a realistic setting, if you do something "stupid" you are likely to get r***"
...Okay uh...thats not how "realistic" stuff works. Thats not even how reality works for one. Also the "If you play a boy, that can't happen to you", again, not how reality works.
Secondly, Massive Red Flags going on. Good on OP for leaving that cause that is definitely a Campaign I'm sure 99.9999% of the community would bail on immediately
I fucking hate showboat, and hypocrites. I would've quit after the second time.
For the third story, can't he just run All Flesh Must be Eaten or Dead End or War of the Dead for the Savage Worlds system?
1.(the short)
Remember when people use to keep that stuff to themselves? Good times, good times.
Fair's fair, that last thing, if the group wants to add sexual assault as part of the gaming environment, as a DM I apply it in all ways. The players who were very-r^pe-friendly decided to cut that part out after they were assaulted by lustful giants who overwhelmed them... but didn't kill them. When they discussed my "bad DM'ing" after the session, I asked why, they said they totally hated the giants part. I said, "Well, them not killing you gave you time to make an escape plan, and you all wanted the X-rated stuff to be part of it. What'd I do wrong?" with the most "sincere" face I could muster. For some reason, once they decided to remove that bit, the female players who left the group came back. Hmm... I wonder why... 🤔
As a former cleric, I can sorta sympathize with the cleric in story 3. But he definitely was taking out frustrations on the wrong people and in the wrong way. Absolutely I agree that clerics are not exclusively heal bots. I, personally, refuse to play a cleric unless it’s the only way to help my group’s balance. The reason being that my last game as a cleric, PF1e, I was actually built to Tank and Damage as a Fire Cleric, who also had Healing domain for the small Cure spell buff, and for a touch ability to heal people below 0hp for 1d4+ Caster level. My feats and stats were set to give me AC in Medium Armor, and do heavy damage output with fire and a sword (a silver scimitar I had a large bonus to hit with, and did extra damage on crits with). And for a while, I was able to keep to this Front Line Tank role, and did really well, shooting off healing spells when needed, and a couple buffs when I was not close enough to hacj someone apart. But, after we hit level 4, I found myself falling behind and being put in cases where I was the most subpar character. It was slow at first, but accelerated as we got more levels. I took a feat at ine point that benefited from me casting fire spells, by letting me give someone a small bit if hp (half my caster level, I think) and a +1 to their next attack or save within a minute. Heck, I was able to even find a really great soell called Celestial Aspect (a 3.5 sanctified spell, apparently, that the dm let me use after I rolled high on a knowledge check about Vile spells) which really fit, as it gave my character angel wings (and a 100ft fly speed) at the cost of 1d4 strength damage, really fitting my Fiery Angelic Priest I was becoming. Then I was tricked into an archetype- no more medium armor, only light. Everyine else was getting magic items that buffed their main stat, I was left out of this, and given a 1 a day circlet that either healed or did damage fir 2d6. Which anyone could use, not just me. Later, a book that, if I used it, made it so I could never harm any humanoids (including goblins, ogres, giants, and other races of the sort) if I wanted a +2 buff to Spell Save DCs for non-damaging spells. 85% of our enemies were humanoid. It also gave allies a cumulative -1 to ALL d20 rolls if they ever killed a “helpless” humanoid (whicu we had done a few times by tying up ogres and goblins and coup de graceing them), ehicu only went away if they didn’t do so fir 24 hours OER -1. As long as they were within 10 MILES of me.
That’s just a few things, byt yeah, some tabkes will force the cleric into becoming the stereotype Heal Bot. I again sympathize for Cleric in the story, thiugh again, he took it out the wring wat.
Had a friend who liked to play a cleric but always played american health care style so in counter the wizard/sorcerer and paladin did the healing for free. He never got the hint
LOVE LOVE LOVE the background in this new content. The dice rolls, chill af aesthetic setup, the colors! SUPERB! I am so tired of all the video games rolling in the back that I stopped watching most D&D story vids - this is super refreshing and I’ll be back to watch more!
My husband reading the intro: So you mean to tell me this world has LATEX?
On the topic of any kind of sexual violence in an RPG, I'm playing the Pathfinder module Wrath of the Righteous, and given that it has demons, succubi and incubi, and torture, it of all modules could be excused to have such themes. Our campaign, however, has no sexual violence. Our GM (also my husband!) does not include that because it's not only deeply unpleasant for him to RP and narrate, but he also doesn't want us players to be uncomfortable. I'm also particularly disgusted with how so many GMs treat rape like "a bad thing that happens to women" when regular old violence would serve the same narrative purpose, which is also how most hack writers treat the subject, but I digress.
On that first one, I am curious to hear the rest of the group's take on the situation, especially given that it's a huge party and OP is cool with killing people trapped in cells.
Also, love the new intro and background! ❤
In the first story, the OP had the power of foresight.
There is nothing that can be said to change my mind that the dude in the last story is just straight up misogynistic. The fact that his wife is okay with it does not at all change my mind that just tells me that she's in a very toxic relationship. I would absolutely love to see this guy try to justify why only women can be assaulted and not men. I'd also love to see someone make a six foot tall battle axe barbarian who would castrate someone and feed it to them if they so much as wiggled their tongue at her.
Loving the new look, btw. I mean, love the gameplay as well, but setup looks great!
Monster of the Week is something I've been playing a lot of and sound like it'd fit what the DM wants.
Player: please let me play this in your game.
DM: No!
Player: sad puppy face 🐶
the booing story is just stupid on the party's part. They like the guy, they apparently like his character. But they boo him every session? the player needs to talk to his party out of game and explain why this upsets him, because this doesn't sound malicious. They just seem like really stupid people that don't realise how they're upsetting him.
Yeah, I'm torn between "They're just playfully busting his balls" and "this sounds like an 'and then everyone clapped'" type of story. I've never seen an entire D&D table suddenly bust out synchronized booing at a player's suggestion.
I have, it typically stems from cases where the group is closely knit in other ways outside of the campaign though, I was on the receiving end of the party's ire though, typically it is a case of the boo'd player ending up as a designated whipping boy. In most cases they will abstain just enough for the targeted player to wonder if it was just them making a bad call while in this individual's case it seems the party lacked any subtlety and they should get out of that campaign asap.
@@Hedge_Knight_Gaming With how they always ignore his advice and never acknowledge that the advice was correct while acting like everything is ok is sign that these people aren't being respectful towards him. The booing would be a final straw since shows they don't like his opinions.
I played a Chaotic Evil death cleric who flat out told the party (mostly neutral and evil) not to expect healing. He was firmly in the camp of "Using my spells to kill the enemy faster ensures they won't kill you." And he did tend to output the most damage for much of the game, sitting in the front line with the barbarian using Spirit Guardians and Spiritual Weapon. However, he did occasionally heal to keep someone from dropping to zero or to bring them up from 0. Mostly keeping the barbarian up.
I mean if you look at a cleric's spells, its more cost effective to use a clerics spell slots for damage than healing.
Level 1 Cure Wounds heals for 1d8+wis mod.
Level 1 Inflict Wounds damaged for 3d10.
Its a no brainer.
Not to say that a well built healing focused cleric isn't useful. Tho I've seen it done better by one of my players doing a Celestial Sorcerer with a 1 lvl dip into Life Cleric, or even a Lore Bard with a 1 lvl dip into Life Cleric.
Yeah, but this cleric already built himself to be a balanced build rather than an attacker, choosing to change gears because of some online strangers that his party didn't agree with anyway.
@@ArcCaravan yes! this so much! Sure if you build your cleric to be DPR they can be a major damagebot frontliner, but if in the first place you build the cleric to be a balance between support, healing and damage, suddenly focusing on only one aspect will destroy the cleric's balance and throw off the party's dynamics, just like 3rd OP's post
I have a forge cleric
Originally I absolutely did not want to be the healer, but I guilt tripped myself into being it anyways because I wouldn't be able to forgive myself when someone dies just because I didn't want to heal
My main role is being the tank with my 23 AC though and I use a fun aoe spell that hurts all enemies around me
I have so many things I absolutely need to get done but I can't stop listening to these stories.
Clerics don't have to be healbots but if you want to do damage and don't want healing spells, just play hexblade like everyone else
Or just don't suddenly play a character you built for one play style as another in the same campaign, especially when you can't change much.
Lol just read the video description. Good luck on your build Crispy!
That intro is just straight up kink dumping lmao.
"I want to play a literal dog, in the sexual way"
"Sir this is a dnd session."
Last story:
Guys can’t be r’d?
Really?
Makes me want to:
A) play a guy and R other guys exclusively. A lot.
B) gritty & realistic, eh? Play a female and play up sanitation. Pad, cups, heavy flow days, etc. Many people into the R kink will find that uncomfortable.
Keep concentrating on abortion.
Also a controversial subject that can disrupt a game.
Especially a historical aspect.
“I go to the alchemist for a morning after pill.”
“They don’t have one”
“They have a potion that gives +5 vs any poison and they don’t have one?
They sell a material that combusts upon contact with air and they don’t have one?”
I was thinking the exact same thing
Lol people who make these rules don't want their male characters to get r'ed by the booty warrior.
I can see were you are coming from, but D.M.s like that have ways to cheat your attempts to disrupt the game. Polymorph and True Polymorph, which are fun spells when the players get to use them how they want to use them, can be used against the players to do very gross things. Like changing a guy character to a guy character with gender dysphoria because his sexual parts where forcibly altered. And assuming they are not into the whole topic of sanitation, they can cheat that by having your character turned into a vampire thrall. They would then use that as an excuse to lock your characters bodily functions, and make you literally unable to say no to your new vampire master. Don't even get me started on how rape happy D.M.'s deal with abortion. There was one horror story where someone had to make three saves at disadvantage to not die from having an abortion, of course I might have gotten the number of saves wrong because I don't remember everything from that story. Don't try to match these people, they have much more experience at being a creepy cringe lord then you.
My advice would be to get up from the table, raise both your middle fingers and walk away. Don't forget to block them on your social media and post about their grossness on reddit. Your time is money, and you have better things to spend it on than these failures.
The DM wasn't really saying that they can't, but that it wouldn't happen. This is the DM's standard punishment for female characters who don't behave the way the DM wants. In his world, males are heroes and females are prizes. By playing a female character the player upsets that balance and draws the retribution of being "put in her place". The DM isn't creating a world or a story, the game is straight up misogynistic power fantasy wearing a fantasy mask.
@@cmlemmus494 No, its just a typical hentai.
With that last story, you're worst case scenarios end up being coming across faceless creeps that casually include things like this that are more numerous than you like or you meet one of these people in-person and find yourselves in real danger. im an african american male and unforuntately ive come across both with one older dude talking about his interest in me and another irl too comfortable with casual racism. I've played female pcs that suddenly have it sprung upon them at least three times online and I wonder "how are people just so casually okay with this where they go into full detail?" I'm glad I never played D&D growing up because I can't help but worry the worst kinds of people I would've come across; it's bad now, but I don't believe I would find the same level of degenerates playing irl and online than I would decades ago.
Sometimes you just got to, "Walk away."
Slaying dungeons and crawling through dragons. I've never heard it put that way before.
I love playing support and I love healing and buffing my teammates. I'm naturally timid so I find it difficult to get into attacking things, but a support role is just right for me.
The last one makes it seem like men can’t be SA’ed… plus my first time playing dnd my character was abducted and r worded bc I missed a session for work…
Crispy my favorite thing about you is that there is a link to the art in the description.
When it comes to things that we are not comfortable with, the best thing to do is walk away
Bro that description is crazy timing. Haven't bought lego in years but just picked up a kickass hogwarts a couple days ago. Only 1200 pieces but still pretty big. Thinking I might pick up the other couple sets that attach on to it at some time in the near future
13:16 umm I can’t be the only one who noticed
You were not
The last story sounds like Byron Hall, author of the FATAL system.
Immediate thought on the zombie game is "just play Apocalypse World or GURPS my guy" tbh
I really hope the birthday booing guy finds a better group and can have a better experience with d&d.
Gods damn they dropped the truth bomb on that guy in the third story
For the cleric, guy needs to remember that the performance of any given character build isn’t a reflection of your personal attributes as a person, it’s literally all just mathematics and reading most of which you don’t have to do yourself because it’s already online
Certain builds focus on certain aspects of gameplay, while some clerics subclasses actually excel in DPR he’s clearly not playing any of them and is compensating by being stupid and bad at basic strategy
So quick thing in that one cleric’s defense. Spiritual weapon doesn’t require concentration so it would have still been present even after he went down. But that doesn’t excuse his actions at all
So, female characters have a HIGH chance of being raped, because "realism," and male characters have NO chance of being raped, because "realism."
He DOES know that men can be, and ARE, raped, right? RIGHT? He KNOWS that?!
Also, why would women have such a high rate of being raped?
AND WHY THE HELL WAS THE GIRLFRIEND GIGGLING ABOUT BEING RAPED?!
The whole game sounds utterly disgusting.
someone else said that the probably couple had a rape kink that they tried to push on the players
This. I want to slap Berserk into their faces because the main character-the “manliest man” was sold as a sex slave.
Idiot men think rape only happens to women when the reality is that rape is a method of dehumanizing and depower ANYONE and EVERYONE (see prison rape, Rape of Nanking, the multiple sex scandals from religious organizations and cults, sex abuse against the elderly and disabled care facilities, etc)
I can beat those reskins. Working on a 5e setting where it's all normal 5e except the world is absurdly big, has a massive arch over it the sun hangs from, and all magic requires these special focus items that high ranking mages and priests know how to manufacture using magical artifacts but they secretly have no real clue they work.
If you haven't figured it out, they're on a ringworld (to the younger crowd, Halo's big daddy) and the magic is sufficiently based technology. By the end they'll find out the gods are AI administrators, end the conquest of some Genghis Khan-type warlord using a tech cache to dominate his neighbors, and defeat eldritch space whales that are using the ring as a feeding ground.
All this because my wife didn't read Ringworld.
13:16 slaying dungeons and crawling through dragons? Creepy are you okay?
Cleric can absolutely be a very effective damage dealer who will put all but the most min maxed weapon users to shame (and I'm not talking about overhyped meme builds like Hexadin). But you have to be tactical about things, and it does require the group to cooperate (e.g. Letting the enemies come to the party through spirit guardians instead of charging in blindly). The problem is that the Cleric in the aecond to last story combined Leroy Jenkins's survival instincts with poor use of spell slots (Upcasting a spiritual weapon you will lose if you go down when you're at 5 HP is a truly dumb plan).
Story One: Please keep your nsfw roleplay out of groups.
Story Two: You ~can~ run anything you want in 5e, but there are systems that will more easily fit the tone of story you're going for. I think there are some really good zombie-themed ttrpgs that this DM could have used
Story Three: please stop taking out your out-of-game frustrations in-game. also if Cleric wanted to be a huge damage-dealer they could have picked another class. Yes, clerics don't have to be healers only, but don't just ruin the game for everyone because you don't want to do some of the stuff that the class is primed to do. If you're sick of your character, talk to the DM about retiring them and rolling up a new one.
Story Four: all i can say is ben affleck smoking.jpg.
Have yet to get to story 2 so im guessing they tried to add mechanics that wouldnt really work in 5e.
Im pretty sure a zombie themed game can work but with the limitations of 5e and homebrew like the gunslinger subclass or other things
I thought the cleric's issue was more about forcing a build made for multiple roles act strictly as an attacker in the middle of a campaign that seemed to have a party that built there characters around combat roles.
Hey, love your videos! And think it has actually helped our group to do better (we were never on a horror level. Just some minor issues).
Just in general, I think it would be good if the Content Warning was actually read out by you instead of just hinted at by the "danger danger" sound. Cause I mainly listen to your videos and assume that many others do the same.
"Slaying dungeons, and crawling through dragons"
Let me stop you there with my prohibition hammer, rapid curtailment!
"Walk away" reminds me of that Disturbed song, "Never Wrong"
The Birthday groups sounds awful, I don’t blame the OP for reacting the way he did!
This reminds me of another story, when one of the characters tried to ****** another character. And OP saved the day by...****** the character who wanted to ****** in the first place. That Guy left the game and everyone had a good laugh.
I remember that story from another channnel. It was darkly hilarious, and cathartic how uncomfortable That Guy got when the shoe was on the other foot.
The low magic zombie game would have fit perfectly in the Fantasy Flights Game system that the Star wars RPGs use. They have the realms of terrinoth and genysis systems that easily could have given both that gm and those players the perfect setting and ability to play that style of game. Sounds like that GM just isn't super familiar with all the available systems out there and tried to make the 5E work for something it wasn't built for
When I played TTRPGs regularly, it was mostly D&D 3.5 and 1e Pathfinder. So the "Clerics can't be damage-dealers" comment seemed really weird to me. For those of you that don't know, beefy Cleric or Druid builds were pretty common in 3.5 and by extension, Pathfinder. Enough so that "CoD-zilla" (Cleric or Druid- zilla) was a common term in the lingo of the time. Maybe 5e is different?
gritty realism... very rarely done right. But imo, is one of the best rp experience when done correctly. Resource management, moral dilemmas, consequences, and the ripple effects. Then again, it was ran by a philo professor for students in his class...
Just walking away from that last story
"Crawling through dragons"
Eh?
that can be taken many ways my boy
I'm running as a druid in my campaign. While I had intended to be full DPS I've become a hybrid healer because that's what the party needed. We later had a cleric joins who wants to do damage too but she doesn't ignore the party when they need help. Between the two of us, we each get to wear both a healer and a DPS hat and it works for us. We also have another druid in the party who can throw down emergency heals as needed. If anyone's the designated healer, its probably me, especially as I have a +1 moon sickle to boost heals. I don't mind, I'm more focused on keeping everyone alive so we can continue to have fun together and see how the story unfolds. I'm also going to be picking up the fey touched feet and making one of my infinite spells be a low level healing spell. It'll be nice to not have to balance spell slots for damage versus keeping the party up.
Great vids man for real this is like my go to for dnd stories now
The opening anecdote comes out of nowhere and whacks you in the face. Like, dude there are definitely people who will roleplay the sort of things you clearly want to do, but a DND group is not the right type of roleplay for that. They'd have more success on an actual 18+ rp place
In the outro I heard Adam instead of atom, and I was like, all the Adams in the world? Is there something specific about people named Adam?
Did he just say "Slaying dungeons, crawling through dragons?"
7:20 at the same time OP could had speaked up earlier. But you are right the DM should had set up by then.
"Slaying dungeons and crawling through dragons".
Me: B-buddy? You gotta that backwards right? Right?
Magic ain't real but zombies am, gotcha!
Oooh, loving the new intro
My fiancé plays in all my games and almost always his character ends up hooking up with my sandbox-plot-guidance DMPC (who is always too damn busy with their own shit to interfere with the party being the protagonists and getting shit done) We also have a very healthy bedroom life outside TTRPGs. But dear god why the fuck would anyone bring lurid descriptions of that into games? Mild flirty behavior that doesn’t get in the way of the story, private sessions to indulge in gooey romance so it doesn’t inconvenience the other players, followed by “The characters have a wonderful time” is good enough. I haven’t had complaints doing it that way.
It can even be funny- “Fiancé, your character takes two levels of fatigue and gains Forbidden Lore: Astartes Biology” earned a lot of laughter in the rogue trader game I’m running. (Yes, I know space marines normally can’t do that but there’s some warp fuckery and the gene seed he got was unstable)
CW: pitch-black themes below.
If you want an NPC to have been assaulted, there’s a way to do it tastefully: make the assaulter the bad guy and let the party kill them eventually. My players in a world of darkness game I run worked their fucking asses off to take down a BBEG who was a human trafficker and having him killed was a massive reward that brought the entire city together as one. Not just a reward for the players, but Justice for all the NPCs they’ve grown to love and care for. You can have dark themes. Pitch-black themes. But make the monster the bad guy. Not a nasty ally, not someone the players have to work with to get anywhere.
You can make it disgusting and gut punching without going full edgelord. Describing an empty shed where people used to be kept, and the engineering that goes into it, is a lot more effective than describing in lurid detail the terrible things happening to people. “XYZ is happening to a person right now!” is fetishistic and gross. “They’re using the same technology for their people cells that livestock barns use to keep the waste and methane gas from piling up” is a gut-wrenching, knife-twisting message to the players that these monsters see real live human beings as things. There’s no reasoning with the bad guys. They do not care. They want money and power and they choose not to have empathy. Kill the monsters, save the victims. Yes, the world is morally grey, to a point. The monsters are beyond that point.
Love the new set up!
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Look, as a (former) FFXIV, I get that, if you don't need to heal, you should be doing damage. However, the key part is: DO NOT *NEED* TO HEAL. It is very clear that the Cleric is not doing their primary duty of making sure the party does not die.
Hey Crispy, you mentioned trying to make a Stranger Things based game. I honestly think you might be better off trying it in the HERO system rather than any D&D edition. It can be a very daunting system to learn, but it flows very smoothly once you're in and is far more flexible than D&D for other settings.
Not gonna lie, I miss Zavala's office for the AITA bits.
As for everything else... there's always the Zeal Domain from Amonkhet if you want your cleric to do damage and heal. But here... yeah, Cleric needed to stop letting that argument wind him up.
Honestly me too… but worry not! If you’re a Destiny fan the next variation of the tavern will REALLY appeal to you.