The Penuel Show In Conversation with Rutendo Matinyarare, SA Politics, Cape Independence, ANC, EFF
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- THE PENUEL SHOW WITH RUTENDO MATINYARARE
00:00 - INTRO
04:55 - Zimbabwean advocacy, ZanaPF
09:40 - Sanctions
12:14 - Support for ANC
18:50 - Who are the beneficiaries
22:30 - BEE
27:40 - Why BEE failed
34:35 - Recognising opportunities
38:50 - Concept of Fargin
44:20 - The Lie of 1652
46:10 - Gayton McKanzie
51:55 - Immigrants & immigration laws
59:20 - Cape Independence geopolitics
1:01:25 - SA & Zimbabwe relationship
1:07:00 - Zimbabwe’s fight for SA
1:16:25 - Opinions vs Facts
1:21:00 - Who we need to speak to
1:26:10 - Opinions of ordinary South Africans
1:28:50 - Focus on illegal immigrants
1:34:15 - Closing comments
1:38:27 - ENDS
THE PENUEL SHOW WITH RUTENDO MATINYARARE
00:00 - INTRO
04:55 - Zimbabwean advocacy, ZanaPF
09:40 - Sanctions
12:14 - Support for ANC
18:50 - Who are the beneficiaries
22:30 - BEE
27:40 - Why BEE failed
34:35 - Recognising opportunities
38:50 - Concept of Fargin
44:20 - The Lie of 1652
46:10 - Gayton McKanzie
51:55 - Immigrants & immigration laws
59:20 - Cape Independence geopolitics
1:01:25 - SA & Zimbabwe relationship
1:07:00 - Zimbabwe’s fight for SA
1:16:25 - Opinions vs Facts
1:21:00 - Who we need to speak to
1:26:10 - Opinions of ordinary South Africans
1:28:50 - Focus on illegal immigrants
1:34:15 - Closing comments
1:38:27 - ENDS
Rutendo = Malema.period......
😊😊
You must be out of your M F mind!!!!! Why would you support any white people in Africa. Cape independent? That should not be talked about. If that were to ever happen, my country America would immediately set up a military base. Probably install nuclear weapons. The Cape would eventually control all of SA. Be careful what you say. I am an x US military veteran. You better listen to me.
You just proved to me that you are a coward. Why did you remove my comment? Was it too intelligent for you?
Pen, if you ever have a chat with Rutendo again then you need a fact checker there. He throws out some absolute nonsense statements but demands facts from anyone else?
I can only debate like this with Rutendo because he's a brother & we both respect each other. I don't challenge like this with other guests because our relationship isn't at that level yet. ✌🏽
Understood Black Pen however, it will be interesting to have an episode where you debate a guest. It should be a robust debate. Let the guest know that there will be a debate that will be interesting
@@cromwelgcina9707 mosy definitely. David Ansara owes me a debate.
@@godpenuelSho Pen i like that you didn't let Rutendo run over you just like that,you came back with a few verbal combos yourself lol.
Jooo Penzo, there was a point where you were very pissed and bit your bottom lip, but I enjoyed it bra n a lot.
I am for Africans, and I love how Rutendo just ignores the fact that we did not go to Zim in large numbers. We got our independence last and had no time to heal regroup and start building the South African dream for our black people. South Africans are generous at heart and currently we live with a lot of Zims that have a share on the small pie or crumbs falling from the main table, even eating from the effort that our parents died for while working the apartheid system. South Africans stayed home in large numbers to defend and defeat the system. We are currently helping Zims and our Kids are sharing crowded classes with their kinds and I think its time now for them to go rebuild their country and make it work. While on our side… heal, regroup, and try again to resolve our economic issues factoring the delay that we had. We really need to fix our country and be proud for the future left behind.
Rutendo is the only guest who never allow Penuel to toy around with him.😂😂😂
Forgot Lux
1 hour 13 minute is the only time I've seen the GodPenuel stuck! Never thought I'd see that moment because my guy is brilliantly brilliant. 👏
Exactly what was going through my minnd😂...
Rutendo is very arrogant and want us to accept his wayward attitude allowing them here because of what happened in past. Illegal foreigners are committing crimes here. He can’t waywardly force us to allow nonsense.
Rutendo is 'selling' the reason why foreigners are here. I dont know to who. We don't want to hear that. We have real issues on the ground. Come to ekasi and see. Drug issues and crime....Guys!!!
Whenever you bring this man, make sure the episode is 3 hours
Please make sure it’s 3hrs. And we would love to see what its like to see you guys go hard on an actual debate.
3hours of educational interview and real information that most of youth don't follow or know of.
Truth be known, Rutendo is one of the very few individuals whom I enjoy listening to.
If you enjoy listening to the truth you would be mindful of Rutendos propaganda. He will give the regime up in Zimbabwe a blank cheque and mix issues with half truths.
In the beginning they used to think Penuel is politically educated. He has no clue what's "really" going on in politics.
True that
Exactly
I agree with your comment. I've just tried to raise the same point. This man was always suspect.
Well he isn't incapable of learning. He still has far more sense than most people who vote for the worst parties.
But I'd argue that much of the majority also don't know much about politics because those in charge have ruined this nation, and who keeps them in power? The sensible few are for some reason not getting enough support as those who are clearly just big mouth communists who live in luxury while the people they claim to fight for only continue to experience worsening situations, are the ones getting all the votes. So people seem to be attracted to assholes and liers because they themselves don't actually know how to distinguish wise and educated, from fools, because that in itself requires good education and our education system is in the top 5 for the worst in the world.
A quote, those who follow the wise become wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.
Siyabonga RUTENDO KEEP TEACHING HIM
Haai
Rutendo is dropping bars. Yesses!
Highly knowledgeable and informative. Respect!
highly misleading bars.
Misleading bars and contradiction
@@msamedia2693 ignorance is always afraid of change!
@@sibusisozulu919
In the age of information, ignorance is a choice!
@@goitsemangsesinye6314 what are you talking about?
I'm in Namibia 🇳🇦 Namibian and I like listening to Benson's insights on different issues, and has inspired and educated me. I have strong admiration in him.
sorry who is benson?
He hates that name… put some respect on Rutendo’s consciousness 😅😅🇳🇦🇳🇦❤
@@haonayaclaudemakgatle6593. Rutendo Matinyarare
@@nelsonmungoba1547 Name is just name, it doesn't influence the person's consciousness.
Book reference:
The Lie of 1652: A Decolonised History of Land - Patric Tariq Mellet
Penuel next time ask this guy why a country like Russia which is sanctioned more than Zimbabwe since 2014 and at war is able to grow it's economy and able to donate free grains to multiple African countries including Zimbabwe.
Can I get a hard copy, calling from Lesotho
Godpenuel please call rutendo again for 3 hours this time as a university student I use some of his arguments in class
your math is not mathing, point one is that Russia was never colonised, two...Russians own Russia, come on my guy...ask somethig else. @@math97003
You should get Rutendo and Gayton to debate the illegal foreigner issue.
Baba Rutendo, may you kindly put together a documentary or movie that will teach us inhabitants of Southern Africa our history of how we got invaded. Maybe make it a movie so that even even kids may watch it and learn from it the same way we learnt from Shaka Zulu movie about Zulus, thank you Bro Penuel for hosting, thank you Bro Matinyarare for sharing... The education from here is so rich and eye opening
SAn ba makatsa, you're better off than someone, yet you want to learn from them & be like them🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️ if Zimbabweans have all the answers, why can't they defeated their BLACK government & rebuild their country?
YOU ARE MY HERO RUTENDO. YOU ARE FIGHTING A WAR WHICH NO OTHER EVER DREAMT OF.
You are well EDUCATED much better that the majority of schooled african professors in this african land.
You are a Prophet my dear Brother. Y are well sent. ORDAINED!!!!!! THANK YOU once again MY DEAREST BROTHER
It was a blessing when Rutendo became woke. He spoke about the days when he did not know better. Unfortunately, the South Africans have become selfcentered, , selfish, historically ignorant, and they will fall victim to anothet form of apartheid, more subtle and pernicious than the first. They better wake up.
Rutendo is the teacher i never had
His feeding us nonsense telling us it's facts
Then you just a dom student that cant see that this Rutendo has an evil agenda.
My people matter, ordinary South Africans matter!!
Rutendo will speak recent facts about South African affairs until he needs to speak about Zimbabwe, he will start talking about history! Great conversation by the way💯
Master of diversion. This derails the conversation and leaves many questions unanswered. Purposely.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and go on to defend Zim again
@@ulwandon Which is weird 😂. Even the way he talks about Zanu-pf something is not make sure.
@@zintlesolani8832 as Average South Africans its not true that we don’t care… we do care and now every town is full of foreigners which is irritating cause alot of average SAns are not really benefiting as Pen said
@@ulwandon I would like to hear his solution that is not related to historical events to illegal foreigners in SA. A simple answer from a ‘knowledgable’ person like him.
It's always exciting when Rutendo is in the building.🙌🏾
Good job Penn for exposing the flawed narrative by your Guest. Great conversation
Which flaws! Care to elucidate
Rutendo is telling us the information we need as youth. He does thorough research,he's filled with knowledge and information accompanied by facts.... I'll never regret watching his interviews on this podcast or any. Good job man
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 just another trouble maker who fools the masses ,,very easy in africa ,,,,
I agree with you,learn through him and you will make it in life
@brightonjumbe3243 lol another 15% comrade . Go back to education ....africa is the easier continent in the world for there people to believe anything ...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Useless information brother. If it were useful, Zimbabwean youth would be radical & fighting zanuPF
@rankz.6474 that's your own xenophobic opinion I won't engage at it, that's how you chose to see and understand it unfortunately so that's your view not mine.
I love these 2 guys. As an African American, here in the US, this conversation needs to be had in order to create real wealth in the African American community.
Penuel, it's your show, but listen to Rutendo because he knows a lot.
Am proud to be from Southern, where these two great minds originate..Thank you once again..
There is no great minds lana he is just bored mampara
the best debate I have seen this year on any podcast, Penuel excellent job of voicing how the popular narrative that most black South Africans argue about the Zimbabwean issue, and an excellent job from Rutendo in staying firm on historical facts.
You guys love this guy nê. A man that loves Zanu but doesn't want to stay in the place they govern. Aren't there any other people to talk to?
Do you know that you can just watch other content and you are not forced to be here. If you don't like the guy and his content just move on. You will find peace & let those who want his content watch it
@@gazathugrashad59facts, man is acting as if there’s a gun to his head, keep it moving bro, and leave these gems 💎 for us.
On that he is a hypocrite coz he fails or avoids criticising Zapf. He knows that in Zimbabwe, you disappear if you are too critical of the znpf.
@@alexmooya6170 what’s the alternative? Inviting the whites to plunder again? It’s better to slowly wrestle the current party for Decades than losing power to the white man.
Zimbabweans can get power from ZANU, but can not wrestle it from whites if they take back power.
Aren't there any other channels you can watch? Maybe pro Israel, or pro fascists channels?
Rutendo is a genius watching from Malawi
As a 21 year old male South African, Rutendo has become one of my role model and i have a foreigner 41 year old male friend.
Hello brother
a child of the soil can never be a foreigner within the continent
that’s a European notion used to mentally alienate us from each other💪🏾
I get your intention through the message though
Proudly declaring you have a "foreigner friend" , is just like whites saying "I even have a black friend". Africans are not foreigners in SA
Can i be your friend?
@@sinomthakironde9358I brother, even during the times of tribal chiefs borders existed, you don't want borders bc your parents mismanaged your country, & you don't want to challenge your government, so you give up on your country & try to convince us to give up ours to you.
@@rankz.6474
I’m cool😂
I live well weather in SA or in the homeland
Royal descendant here
I’m not against borders,I’m just saying that we all came from the Congo region
Sonke slovene,nakhona oMiya eUganda,bakhona oMthembu eTanzania
You are right about African countries being mismanaged though
Always love listening when you host Rutendo.
I am from Uganda.
Would love to hear his mind on Uganda
Loved the conversation as usual. Regarding Rutando and Zanupf, he became dishonesty and . He can't even go back to Zim. He is strong on criticising the SA government and other sitting ministers back he is failing to do the same for Zimbabwe. Based on his double standards, he is a coward. He is enjoying the freedom in SA he can't even do so in Zimbabwe. What a hypocrite.
Yes he is a big hypocrite why is he avoiding the corruption issue there is evidence of gold being caught at the airport.And i think he is singing the sunction issue so that he can gain a fever from Zanu pf,he is behaving more like Jonathan Moyo.
But Rutando has been objective about SA
@@sibonelotshonga9310 Yes he has and l love him for that. But when it comes to Znpf, he loses the objectivity, zeal and power to objectively criticized the Zimbabwean sitting government hence my saying he applies double standards. Every other aspect, he is spot on until one brings in the Zanupf issue and all wheels come off
He did explain why he does not go back to Zim
Also he detailed why he can say good things about Zanupf
All resonable explanations. Watch again
@@eltielt1609 nothing reasonable, so zanuPF will rule Zimbabwe forever? While Zimbabweans are perpetual refugees who curse their neighbours who are sick of hosting them? Hai man THINK broer.
Great chat, Pen, once more thanks for pushing back and balancing the narrative. Keep up the good work 🙌
Wow, Rutendo and Pen thank you.
Real food for thought 🔥🔥🔥
I don't watch this show unless Rutendo is talking. I support him going out and being selfish and making money, he has planted the seed even to me who is into geopolitics. Zimbabwe story definitely needs to be told truthfully not in the mainstream media stance.
His knowledge is impeccable.
I wish we can have people from other African countries to tell African stories
Penuel I fully agree with everything you say about the ANC, we love the ANC but they are not working for us. Cyril has crippled the country
Pan Africanists like Rutendo make the mistake of assuming we should all think the same because we look the same. Shared experiences and culture matter more to the common folk
Exactly. We are not all driven by Pan africanist agendas they try to push. These countries have had 60, 40, 20 to find their feet, as soon as a black South African goes through the same process to self-determine, now these people are here trying to eat from the same small table, that is why SAns have an issue. Allow us to eat in our own country.
Your shared experience is that you were all conquered. You were all exploited.
@@DefenderOfLogicpreach
White solidarity is a powerful force because they focus on their own exclusive similarities rather than differences. Africans, especially the SADC region, have many shared similarities than differences. Are you a boer? African solidarity scares you?
There's a massive shared culture with our neighbors as South Africans. What's wrong with African solidarity?
My calendar should open up 2025 i need to sit with you guys. Great conversations great minds!🤯 Great talk on foreigners and working together as Africans
I was looking forward to an episode with Rutendo thanks for bringing him back.
Consuming content from 🇳🇦 Namibia. Keep it up guys!
Penuel could you please invite Julius Malema together with Rutendo so that we can have clarity on South African politics and Zimbabwean politics please 🙏
I wouldn't want Malema here, he has nothing good or factual to say otherwise. Only ego and a big mouth.
Yes please
Every time you sit-down with Rutendo it's thought provoking thank you gentlemen
Well im glad u brought Rutendo back and he really broadens my horizen
I really can't wait for the who own South Africa episode
South Africans stayed in camps n went allowed to move as they please. We didn't build shops nor commit crimes
Stop acting as if South Africans are saints. There are South Africans who are living illegally in Europe and the USA as we speak.
Lies. The South Africans who stayed in camp were MK and APLA, other South Africans were out and about working as lecturers (Bra Keotopatse Kgotsisiele, Eskia Mphahlele), nurses, working for NGOs. Julius Nyerere of Tanzania gave the ANC land, and they built the Solomon Mahlangu college in Morogoro, Tanzania. The ANC built a primary and secondary schools, set up a farm and hospital. The IMF and World Bank (which are tools of the West), began to refuse to extend loans to the Tanzania and Zambian govts; thru deliberately tanked the economies of these 2 African countries because of their support for the anti-apartheid movement.
Tanzania aside, the NIGERIANS did a lot to fight Apartheid, they lost BILLIONS of DOLLARS because they refused to trade oil with countries that were trading with Apartheid South Africa, a little school girl was so hurt by what was happening in South Africa she started saving her lunch money to see if she could send the money to South Africa to help Black people, other students joined in, when the govt heard, the President set up the Mandela Fund (every government worker was deducted 2% from their salary to put towards the fund), President Obasanjo and his ministers also donated thousands of dollars to the fund. South Africans exiles in Nigeria were allowed to attend university in Nigeria for FREE. Tom Mboya of Kenya was instrumental in helping uMam Miriam Makeba obtain diplomatic documents so that she could travel, the first country she travelled to after obtaining those papers was Kenya, after performing in Kenya she travelled to Tanzania to celebrate their independence.
South African exiles were travelling the world on different African PASSPORTS. President Zuma held a Somali passport! Issuing someone with a passport is no joke, because if they go and cause a problem in another country whilst travelling on your passport it can cause a diplomatic incident.
Mozambicans, Angolans, Namibians, Zimbabweans fought against the Pretoria regime, and refused them to advance their agenda in the region and domestically. The Pretoria regime retaliated by blowing up clinics,roads, railways in SADC region, by the time Apartheid fell, the different countries in the SADC region had a debt of 13 BILLION pounds, and South Africa had a debt of 11 BILLION pounds from this WAR. The ANC was made to pay back 25 BILLION POUND DEBT accrued by the Apartheid regime.
@@lekis5975😂😂😂 LOL
@@judyatoro9387 What is so funny?
@@lekis5975 Can you provide info on your claim? we hardly see our people in those countries but many Africans are creating content in those countries
Penuel please keep inviting this please don't stop to invite this guy please please please
I've been listening alot of Dr Umar Ifatunde Johnson,I ve never realised that we have our own Black conscious intellectual here in Southern Africa.Yes,I am a security guard and now I am a revolutionary one,I grow some balls to tell non Africans boss of mine that this is my country and they can not mistreat me in my own forefathers land.
"white Rhodesians had no intention of meeting their promises"...I feel the exact same way about white South Africans. Zero intentionality.
Rutendo's views come from facts and that's so inspiring. We really can't solve our problems without knowledge.
Facts are subjective.
People label truths they like as facts and truths they don't like as propoganda or malinformation. People will ignore the spike in human and drug trafficking caused by illegal immigration as long as it suits their narrative.
"Crime actually went down since foreigners came to south Africa" a blatant lie
how sure are you? have you fact check all that he is saying?
No he does not but does place intelligent articulated views. Just because something is said nicely does not mean it’s fact and true.
this show really made me see things in both ways ...... showing love from ZIM
I agree with penuel for most part of this discussion.
South Africans are the last to get "freedom" in Africa and hence we're the last to learn the hard way that we were lied to that school education is key and jobs are a pathway to financial freedom. Now we're seeing the light and acting on this.
Rutendo is a very dangerous tool😂. The guy will come at you with a lot of smart facts and ideas just to decorate a very twisted essence of an argument. You will get boggled down on the smart decorations and never notice that he has misled all of you. great wit
The purpose of conversation is to provoke thought, this one was very thought provoking 👏🏽 thank you gentlemen 🙏🏽
Mentally stimulating and inspiring conversations
Only a few ANC exhiles were accommodated in other African countries not half of an entire South Africa went into other African countries. The rest of us stayed in and fought for our country during Apartheid. The freedom fighters who were accommodated also respected the laws of the respective countries, unlike what's happening in SA
You never fought. The people who fought are Namibians, Angolans, Zimbabweans, Mozambicans, etc… They picked up arms. There was no civil w@r by South Africans against the Apartheid regime. People like Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo never led an armed liberation struggle against the Afrikaners… All you could do is cry, beg and plead for Apartheid to end
My friend what you sad there is fact . There would be no movies lke Sarafina where black pupils sang a song tselani izinkokheli zethu zisilamulele lento eshiwo uRutendo ayilona iqiniso yonke
@@simplyballing1592yet today you are useless
Zim did not go to war for SA. That is a false narrative. You realize that Penuel has no facts in front of him to challenge your narrative. Yes, Zimbabwe did support the African National Congress (ANC) in its fight against the apartheid government of South Africa. Zimbabwe provided military training, weapons, and other forms of assistance to ANC guerrilla fighters during the apartheid era. Zimbabwe's involvement included hosting ANC guerrilla camps, providing military training facilities, and offering support to ANC operatives. While Zimbabwe did not directly engage in armed conflict against the apartheid government of South Africa, its support was instrumental in the ANC's struggle against apartheid. Zimbabwe is not the only country that helped black South Africans. The entire world did. In fact the SADC region plus AU were largely ignored when they tried to raise the voice until the global community put pressure on the apartheid government, dropped sanctions on them and then apartheid government yielded. We owe Zimabwe nothing. Our companies are invested in Zim and make that corrupt government millions if they really believe we owe them something.
Absolute nonsense! ZAPU and ANC fought in the same trenches against RF and RSA forces.
The debate between the 2 of you provided a learning curve for you Penuel which I think you refused to take, have a teachable spirit and you will grow immensely in knowledge and wisdom, but great conversation I hope you have more like that. Given Mkhari should give you a prime time show on Power FM, Power Perspective
These guys have such a great chemistry that they never start talking.
The GOAT is back 💯 - Cannot wait
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I love this debate. We need more of these exchanges Penuel. Once every 2 to 3 months we need Rutendo in that studio. Whether I agree or disagree with his views, its important we have such exchanges. Sikhathele ama-debates by politicians, intellects tend to open the mind.
Well said 👏
Penuel, this will go down as one of your finest conversations. This is an INSTANT CLASSIC!! This conversation was riveting and captivating. Every second of the 1:38:27 seconds was definitely worth it. South Africans, Zimbabwean, and Africans at large can a lot from Rutendo.
Gooooood Lord!! This guy is just encyclopaedic in his knowledge 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Penuel we love you. Understand your guests are there to speak, teach and defend their opinions and ideas on a free, fair but intellectual platform ( meaning their ideas may be challenged).However we ask you to not be emotional and distractive if what they is based on facts because we are learning about things we didn't know about as well. Unfortunately facts are just facts and we cannot change them because they are unsettling to us. With that being said this is not the MacG GOSSIP show where emotional biases dictate the facts. You are our intellectual on that seat, challenge the concepts and ideas but not in a childlike manner. If it's a fact, whether you care or not, is for you to debate at your friendly spaces. Not on our learning podcast. Despite that this was great debate.
@justhumans007, well spoken. 👏👏
Good feedback there
exactly.. im also questioning WHY South African platforms are hiding these facts from us. other Africans did fight and die with us. WHY does it feel like that is being hidden from us ???
He is annoying. Bro just listens to argue, he doesn't listen to understand
I'm a Zimbabwean Peniel but I can tell you that Rutendo is a psychological dunderhead, someone does not need to be sophistical and educated to be heard and validated. You did a good job to expose that in this interview.
Please Watch the interview again.
I almost could not finish viewing because of how hot it was getting between you guys. Very interesting indeed. Thanks guys.
Rutendo is one of the great teachers of our generation. He is like a prophet of this era. He should stay strong...because he opens our minds.
Black pen I agree with you sir thank you for the informatic show
Thankx for the parting ways Ru..if economic development is focused on all provinces people were not going to migrate from their province to Jhb, they were not going to migrate from their country to Rsa. Rsa needs to if they can help other countries develop and that will improve on their problems
Thanks for the great episode Pen
Thank you Pen great conversation
Thank You.Guys...i have learned a few pointers
Panuel just go and check whether or not did Zimbabwe went to war for South Africa
Finally Penuell is giving this guy some challenging questions... This guy is mad....it's smart and intelligent sounding madness
Tell me about, just cause he says things are fact, now we should just believe that? Saying crime went down since "foreigners" came here, how? Big lies, biggest drug dealers in South Ah are not even SOUTH AFRICANS.
@@simbarasherioga2609 agreed 100%
Propagandist of note and is very dishonest. Lies about Zim helping SA during apartheid.
@@Makhwekhwetha they actually did brother
Penuel please get yourself informed about Zim politics like your friend Rutendo is informed about South Africa's politics. This will improve your conversations with Rutendo.
You're wrong, Rutendo is not informed of South Africa, if he is, he would have known that the DA AND ANC are the same,as far as policies are concerned , that is Y even the D.A is not chaneling their energy on the ANC, but they do with the EFF, WHY ITS BECAUSE THEY KNOW( D.A) THAT THE EFF WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE POLICIES OF THE ANC THAT FAVOUR ( WHITE D.A) AND CREATE POLICIES THAT WOULD BENEFIT BLACKS TOTALY
@notyetuhuru, I concur.
Thank you for adding time stamps...much appreciated
Interesting conversation. Polarizing at the best of times, and I could not agree with lots that was raised. I now have a view that Pan Africanism advocates turning a blind eye to what inept leaders do, and the expectation is that they should be supported just because they are black. Africa is home to not only black people, lest we forget. Interesting conversation none the less. South Africa clearly has a lure to our neighbors can't resist, and yet they feel their countries are better than us, but they would choose to stay here and not go back to their "better" countries.
Pen you don't press him enough on Zim issues
Penuel... Thank you ever so much for raising the bar and concientising the African especially South African brothers and sisters a sense of Patriotism and objective analysis of their narrative. Thank you brother
Ur views on not having Africans as illegals resonates with the views spoken of by the Kenyan president.. this is a topic that needs a bigger discussion.. thank you for keeping it going
Gayton was on this platform, where he explicitly stated that he does not agree with Rob Hersorv on the independent cape. I'm disappointed with Rutendo for being ignorant on this point, also he is not sharing that all sadec countries have a foreign policy and uses boarders to protect themselves. So he has double standards 🤔
He don't agree but what's he going to do to stop it from happening?
Cape Town belongs to SA. Not the colonisers. I hope my fellow South Africans will NEVER allow it to be taken away.
I am from West Africa and that would be a sad day for all Africans. All of SA belongs to Africans in SA, period!!!!!!.
Once again your mental perambulations are like the proverbial donkey following the carrot. You seem to be conflicted between your ancestral culture and the conveniences and prosperity models of Westernized culture. You, by your simple minded reasoning must vote for one or the other. Your categorization is so generalized and common that it affords no unique appropriation of a greater truth
@@fatmatakamara1866Amen
South Africans NEVER flooded any country in huge numbers ___ this guy defends
🔥♥️🖤💚 Wow! So many good points posed by both brothers. Big ups to The Penuel Show for providing much needed information to us Africans particularly those of us in America who want to be connected to what’s happening on the ground in Azania and southern Africa. I applaud you and the team for your consistency. May we continue to build our love for our history, our appetite for knowledge and debate, and our capacity to listen with an open mind and heart to learn, so that we can march together forward to Pan-Africanism! Africa for the Africans at home and abroad. Thank you brothers for showing us the way ✊🏾Keep lighting the 🔥
Yea but be careful of Rutendo, if he's so genuine & knowledgeable, why is he not putting forth any effort to radicalize the ZIMBABWEan youth? Must Zimbabweans be content with being perpetual immigrants?
A lot of food for thought here however what rutendo needs to understand is that on any level the average South African owes nothing to a Zimbabwean and visa versa. South africa seems to be the only country in Africa where it's citizens complaints are constantly waterd down. There are multiple Geopolitical reasons as to why even on the lowest levels black people globally should be working together or against each other, let's not conflate the issue by adding emotional sentiments.
Lol,why is this guy not in Zimbabwe changing lives? If his ideas work, surely the people of Zimbabwe will benefit from him
It’s just a conversation sharing ideas. If all ideas were dismissed in the way you are then the world will be a worse off. Elon Musk a South African is there in American making America successful. Imagine if Americans had said go back to South African and launch your rockets from there
@africantravellor8126 he is half South African and half Canadian.
But what exactly is this Zimbabwean going to launch in South Africa, which will make a difference to South Africans lives other than wanting to hear the sound of his voice.
You surely can't compare Elon with this Chatalan from across Limpopo.
@@MenelikAlkebulan Elon didn't tell Americans what they must do,he invented things that improved their lives
As for Zimbabwe, Zanu also needs to review and revamp their policies in respect of corruption. Zanu PF is also outdated in its approach to revamping the infrastructure, creating employment for young people. The mandala in Parliament need further training to ensure that the government administration works effectively. It is always a good idea to have an opposition political party, that helps the government to remain attentive to details and create an effective competitive edge allowing the voters to engage and vote for a party that addresses their needs and aspirations for their personal development and prosperity.
Rules of Engagement:
- How is a "reasonable argument" qualified? - Facts
- Who qualifies a "reasonable argument"? - Subject expert
Then what is the the VALUE of an average person's opinion?
- Why does an average person's opinion matter?
- What informs average person's opinion?
- Is a lived experience different to a belief system? (re: an average person's opinion)
Balancing the KONVO for a broader audience:
- Opinion vs a Reasonable Argument
- A Reasonable Argument falls short where it does not translate to Measurable Change
Haven't watched this show in a while but I'm not planning on missing this one
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣... "Is paying 10 thao mavuso after chowing empowering?" This level of uncensorship deserves respect...
Always good listen to you guys I learned a lot from you.
Is he for real? Welldone Penuel for staying level headed and professional. Call them out!
@Penuel I believe you should go all out debating this guy; I understand you decide to maintain peace and permit him to push his propaganda but he's misleading the majority through your platform.
Zimbabwe did not send their soldiers to South Africa during the apartheid era. Their contribution was primarily through diplomatic efforts, economic sanctions, and moral support. The focus was on advocating for change and supporting the anti-apartheid movement rather than direct military intervention.
Great Convo guys, it's refreshing to see Pen push back and debate Rutendo, and not entirely allow him spill a falsehood narrative.
I need Rutendo, Julius and Vusi in on a Round Table
Today's convo was really tough and tense, but before I state my two cents of advice I thank you Penuel The Black Pen for always trying your best to bring us fire talks, and I also thank Mr Matinyarare for making time to come share with us the political side of his view as well. But this today I'm going to set the record straight so that going forth in the future conversation between SA and Zimbabwe politics we do not get confused further.
From my understanding, South Africa was not liberated by the exiled ANC. And I am deeply saddened when our guest aims at talking especially to the people who make laws other than the ordinary citizen of SA because this country was liberated by ordinary Citizens.
Ofcourse, there were parties who went into exile and trained to come back oneday and save SA from colonies but they never came back to fight, and I will be corrected if I'm wrong here.
The ordinary Citizens made sure the country was ungovernable till the colonizers went out to seek help from those who were in exile to come back and talk peace with the Citizens of SA. I for one witnessed my uncles got war with no guns or ammunition but using the self known strategy to destabilize the Apartheid regime soldiers.
What won SAs liberty was the action of majority. It was the Spirit of amabutho that was always within the memory of our blood that got the regime realizing that their ship was going down no matter how armed they were. It came to a point where the people refused any more to be oppressed in such a manner that was.
So when our guest is trying to change the minds of the ANC instead of reaching the people who fought for liberty, I get no more words to offer.
But the fact is that this Country 's liberty was fought and won by it's people.
That is why we all get disappointed when Zimbabweans run to SA in numbers.
They too fought for liberation but went wrong by chasing all white people of Zimbabwe out of the country so that they could keep their Land for themselves.
I have never heard of our guest mentioning that point since he has been debating this issue even when he was one on one with Bra Ike Khumalo.
That is what brought Zimbabwean sanctions and
If I am wrong, I will stand to be corrected.
Even when some will deem Rainbow Nation as a scam, it is a beautiful idea and all Africans adore it and come to SA to have a share of its produce. We are still open to foreign investment and still attract some investors. We just need to learn more about the economy and turn things around to also support the marginalized.
@@KamCoder "We are still open to foreign investment and still attract some investors." Why is that Africans are so damn dependent on foreign investment?
Can you people not do for self? WTF?! Stop with this dependency.
It is as the same as wanting people to follow the thought that white people are racist without wanting to learn from their strategies which have been working throughout. South Africa wouldn't have survived if we did what Zimbabwe did to the white community in 1994 or any year after that. Now they have no choice but to come in SA to learn and work for white business.
I can say nothing more than what I've said.
Hebana this guy, hemani what ever we owe Zimbabwe we paid it in tenfolds as millions of Zimbabweans have been in our country from 1994. And I tell u if shit hits the fan in SA, Zimbabweans will be the 1st ones to leave.
😂I have the same thought, basically all these African foreigners.
You are enlightening us Rutendo. You guys have become our role models. You are a walking encyclopaedia. Thank you very much for the knowledge you are imparting to us ignorant people🙏🏾
Powerful and truthful presentation. Thank you guys.
C’mon, a nice presentation does not equate to truth. One has to look deeper into what he says. I’m Zimbabwean who has naturalised in the best country in the world 🇳🇦
He is a great communicator but he talks a load of BS.
Russian is at war and the most sanction country in the world yet it has a growing economy and gave Zimbabwe free grain .Zimbabweans and Rutendo Matinyarare should learn to take the responsibility.
You are really dumb to compare Zimbabwe to Russia, have you seen Russian military, Russia has its own banking system, internet, they do their own scientific research. That's why sanctions don't shake them as much. Russia immediately turned to new markets in China and India for its oil. You cannot seriously compare Zimbabwe to Russia
The Russian economy is far bigger than the Zimbabwean economy. Countries don’t have the same economic and military power. This 1 size fits all mentality doesn’t make sense
@@simplyballing1592 tell me what stopped Zim to do business with the BRICS countries, they are only sanctioned by the west
@@simplyballing1592 The point is russia is not making excuses and blaming sanctions ,it is moving ahead despite being sanctioned
@003 So is Zimbabwe even with the Western sabotage and the country's limitations.
In summary EFF is correct to say let’s get all of Africa integrated starting with SADEC region so that we all prosper and consolidate our strength against our common enemy. Ponder over that!
And who is your common enemy?
Don't for a minute believe that the EFF is not as corrupt, self-interested, malicious, self-serving, misanthropic and racist as any systemic culture that has historically preceded it or concurrently exists with it.
The fact that you don’t know clearly means it’s none of your business. Here’s some free advice: FOCUS on your own enemy and stay away from enemies of other people. I don’t care who is your friend or your enemy because I’m focused on what concerns me, you can learn a lot from that if you so wish!
Dear Rutendo Matinyarare,
Well done.
'Watching from West Africa.
'Discovered your contributions one year ago, and intend to continue!
2. Your contributions remain effective, informed, inspiring, relevant, timely and therefore, born to win!
2. Thanks for contributing to revive your country from Western misinformation wars!
3. We wish you well.
4. It appears you were in Addis-Abeba during the last Summit of the African Union.
Please do a programme on that.
5. Incidentally, is it true that White imperialist systems pay the bills at the AU?!!!
6. Who subsidises other AU institutions?
7. Why do AU summits look like ordinary markets? The number of foreign politicians participating is overwhelming!
8. Does the Council of Europe, ASEAN or other such bodies invite African Politicians/Ambassadors to flood its Summits?
Keep up the good work Rutendo.
THANKS SO MUCH GUYS AN TAKE CARE
This person is calm and can answer any questions correctly. I have learned a lot from them
Rutendo on the topic 'Zimbabwe's fight for RSA'❤🔥. Teach my Brother, Teach! (emphasis on Brother)! Great one Penuel and the team, Big ups🙌
Thank you guys for all the effort you have put to make this awesome show, guest and host in particular ✨💯💚👌🏿
I love the way Rutendo answers. He's teaching and demonstrating his stand point. Thanks.
Thank you guys for this interview.