How to Diagnose & Change a Failing/Failed Starter --- 1999-2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ
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- Is your 1999-2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee not Starting? Turn the Key and nothing happens? This 'How-To' Troubleshooting guide will help you narrow down the culprit, and get your Jeep back up and running in no-time!
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Had to replace my starter today… To make things easier for the “drive-way mechanic”:with just a jack: put the body as high as you can on jack stands and make sure that the wheels and axel are hanging free off the ground..This gives you much more space to access the starter! Absolute pain in the a.. to wiggle it out when the wheels touch the ground as the upper control arm is in the way. DON’T remove the arm! You will need to realign the axel if you do that! Use a few ratchet extensions and a joint socket to loosen the 15 mm screws, they are a pain to reach otherwise. After that, easy peasy, just loosen the power cable and connector and slide the starter forward and it drops right out.. Get your nose dirty and good luck!
First and foremost thank you for taking the time and putting aside the time and effort in making your informational videos. This happens to be the second time I was able to address an issue with my vehicle/jeep and the way you broke down every stage to diagnose the issue. So thank you and yes the troubleshooting I did worked on my vehicle and I was able to go from the ignition to relay from relay to starter. By bypassing the relay and direct/connect 30/85 I was able to pinpoint where I had the problem and handle it smoothly. Have a blessed day and thank you. Sincerely, Octabio
Great video. Appreciate your effort to explain it all so clearly that even 6 years old kid would be able to understand 👍
Thanks! Your video was very helpful! Go Pack Go!
I just did my 2000 4.70WJ Starter in 15-20 minutes. **Use a long 3/8 extension..(like 18"+) ***and a universal adapter** with 15mm socket and a air-impact driver on the front and back 15mm bolts and you'll have this thing lose in seconds.
Your tip that it is possible by just moving the brake hose is helpful. I was under it last night wondering how it was coming out without dropping the exhaust, thanks for that info. Jumping the relay with key in run position and it not working (proving it is a bad starter) could be clearer, but thanks for sharing.
Hey man nice job just watching you figure out how to work that starter out of that tight spot made the job a lot easier and i thank you
AMC - Thanks for your efforts. Have a suggestion. Can you find a laser pointer to help ID parts and specific bolt heads? Easier for you for sure...
Nice job very thorough on explaining the whole procedure.
Appreciate the video
If the starter relay is bad the jumper wires will turn over the starter so you could have a good starter and good neutral switch just a bad relay.
Great presentation. I've done it once need to do it again. Thanks
Great video and diagnostics - thank you
EXCELLENT IN ALL WAYS!!! GREAT CAMERA WORK THANK YOU!!
Thank you for making this video! WJ here😊
Thanks for making this video!
Good video man. Thanks.
This video has been very helpful, thanks. I have a question if you could let me know that would be great. I tested the starter with the wire and it started when the two wires were together, but when i tried to start the jeep inside with the key it wouldn't start.. Do you think my best bet would be to change the neutral safety switch? Appreciate your help!
Just put a screwdriver on the terminals on the starter and if it starts into the mistral safety switch. If not it’s a bad starter
I see this is an old post. I was wondering how you ruled out the neutral safety switch as part of the problem.Sorry if I missed this detail in the video. Also if you remove the control arm makes it easier to remove starter. Sometimes the control arm bolts are not easy to get off either.
The jumper wire bypassed the switch.
Ok I have a couple questions for anyone if the relay was bad would the best way to check it be a normal fuse checker or is there another way and the other question is it if it doesn’t start it’s the starter or if it does start sorry I got a little confused there I’m looking at a 2002 jeep grand Cherokee on Facebook messenger and they said they think it might be the starter but they aren’t sure?
I am having the problem of my jeep not doing turning over or cranking at all with the key. When I jump it with the wire like this it was crank, but still not start. What would be my best bet here?
Was there a click noise when trying to start the jeep? Or no noise at all? My jeep all of a sudden intermittently doesn't want to start but it's one loud click...also the ignition tumbler just happened to stop wanting to turn with the key the same day....🤔
When starter was going bad, was your starter clicking just one time?
No, nothing would happen at all.
I got under my Jeep today and that’s all I heard;
just one big click from the solenoid. Luckily, when I bought my GC from a private owner they included a few spare parts, the starter being one of them.
Now I’m wondering if they didn’t swap it because they concluded it was the neutral safety switch in the tranny?
I’ll bypass the relay and go from there I suppose. Hopefully my optimism works magic. Thanks again for the video OP. Stay humble brotha ✌️
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Will a starter off of 98 Grand Cherokee 5.2 fit the 2002 4.7
Just curious how much a shop would charge to do this? Anyone....?
Thanks for the video .. it was very helpful. My Jeep starts fine using your bypass of the relay trick. I’m having the same issue u we’re having because mine is intermittent as well. I may just carry two wires around for the time being whenever I need to drive my Jeep. I’ve dropped the valve body in the past because I had to change the solenoid assembly in the transmission. I hope I don’t have to do that again. I’m going to try messing with the shifter as well. Do u think shifting the transmission in to 4 low could be related? We just had a huge snow storm in Colorado and I had to use 4 low a few times.
When i did this to bypass it just is making a clicking noise.. So what does that mean ??
@@deesenica6395 make sure your keys alo the way to ignition ON and then bypass it.
So i did this wire diagnostic test and i touched them together about 5 times and i got nothing but a click . I touch them together a 6th time and the starter fired up . Does this sound like a starter issue ? O'reilleys said supposedly my starter is good
This sounds like a classic starter solenoid issue, which is what my problem was with mine. The solenoids go “flakey” or “intermittent.” Very common issue with a solenoid. Getting a new starter will solve your problem, as the solenoid is attached to the starter as a unit.
So I did you mentioned in this video but nothing happens. Does that mean it’s a bad starter? When I connected the wire it didn’t start.
If you can hear the relay “energize” (a click sound), then that means the power is going through the relay to the starter...and therefore the starter should work. If you don’t hear the relay click, then the relay is at fault or you did not put the wires in the correct pins.
American Made Classics once I put the wires in there and connected the other end .. after the spark you could tell the power is going through. There were clicking sound coming as well but the car did not start. Does that mean I need to replace the starter?
Sounds like the starter is not working properly then, I would change it out
American Made Classics : thanks .. that’s what I thought, but yours started with the blue wires and you still changed the starter after starting with the blue wire. It does energize the relay unit and I hear the clicking sound but the car doesn’t start.. I should start at replacing the starter first right?
American Made Classics: here is the fun fact. My Jeep is in the same color as yours, with the same headlights,?same extreme battery by Odyssey and even the 4.7 l performance sticker... mine is on the fenders though. Thought I would share this crazy on point coincidental match.
At some point in your video, you crank it by touching those two wires together, something you’re calling ‘bypass.’ From that point how do you switch off engine; with the key or you have to re-touch the wires again..?
Like when you start the engine with the key, you can always switch it off again with the key. But when you start engine with those two bypass wires, how do you turn the engine off???
It'd be the same way you normally shut it off. The 2 wires are just bypassing the neutral safety switch, starter relay, pcm, etc. It's only telling the starter solenoid to give the starter the beans while the wires are touching. If the key isn't in or is on off position then the 2 wires will only crank the vehicle and it won't start since the ignition/fuel pump won't be on. If the key's in the run position and you touch the 2 wires together, it can start and you'd just turn the key off to stop it afterwards.
Great video! Only question I got is what did you use to lube the starter? I'm planning on using white lithium grease.
I stuck 'er in there dry... Lol...
Ouch! @@AmericanMadeClassics
Did you have any issues plugging the wiring into the new starter? The adapter size seems far too big to go into the new one
Nope, had no issues. Everything went smoothly on install.
started problem on 2004 4.7ho, when engine got hot or driving for awhile. used jump wires with relay out, started right-up, replaced relay, now no problem, why did you change the starter??????????????????????
You have a valid argument, but let me elaborate. Because it was the Solenoid that was bad in my situation. Technically, there are actually Two "Relays" in this circuit. The Relay in the Power Distribution Center (Fuse Box), and the Solenoid on the Starter (Which is essentially an oversized Relay). In my situation, the Solenoid was acting Intermittent...which is VERY common amongst Starter Problems in general. So to your argument that I may have only needed to replace the Relay is indeed Valid when troubleshooting...BUT, when Starter Solenoids are on the way out, they usually are "Flakey" or Intermittent and work "Some of the Time." The new Starter (which includes a brand new Solenoid attached to it) solved my issue...and has been working 100% correctly in the 2 years since I replaced it and made this Video.
@@AmericanMadeClassics Thanks for taking the time to reply, agree with what you are saying, this is my second JGC, and my last, but changed the PDC relay and drove it for years. My minivan had the same problem, So I am going to change the relay in the PDC first and see what happens. Thanks again.
So if u jump it and don't have anything happen it's my starter?
If you hear the solenoid on the starter engage, then yes it would most likely be your starter
@@AmericanMadeClassics Quick question, if I may. I was getting one loud click turning the key, and the same when jumping the wires in the PDC. I purchased a rebuilt starter from Rock Auto and installed it, but unfortunately am getting the same exact thing, one loud click. The relay is good because I have a second WJ that uses the same one and that one didn't work either. Is there anything else you're aware of that could be causing this issue? Thanks.
How come every video goes from pointing out the starter to magically being removed? I can't even get socket in there. How are you removing this?
Just as you said, you can't get a socket in there...so it's even harder yet to get a camera in there to show the removal process. I used a 15mm combination wrench to loosen the bolts. Further along into the video, I explain the process of removing the starter...because I just couldn't get a camera in there to record the process.
@@AmericanMadeClassics 15mm, got it., thank you.
When this happens to me. I turn the key put it in neutral and it starts. What would that be?
Neutral safety switch
Mine clicks when i try to start it. Then i quick disconnect and reconnect and its starts. Replaced negative terminal and its still doing the same thing. Cut off about 2 inches of the wire when i spliced into the 2 neg wires. Sometimes i get 4 or 5 normal starts out of it. Helpppppppp.
P.S. No backup or running lights. But these 2 things been like that for several years before the starting issue.
Sounds like your Positive battery terminal isn’t tight enough. Your cables could also be in rough shape as well, with enough resistance to not allow the proper current through them anymore. I would start over from scratch with brand new cables. You can go to the battery section at any auto parts store and buy premade lengths of cables. You would need a cable that goes from the battery to the Power Distribution Center (PDC), and then a cable from the PDC to the Starter, re-use the stock alternator cable that normally attaches to the PDC. So instead of 2 cables coming out of the positive battery post, the 2 cables would come out of the PDC instead. And of course get a new negative cable as well. I did this exact same repair on my Dad’s GC a couple months ago. Solved ALL starting issues for him. If you’re not comfortable doing the cable repair, a trusty mechanic should be able to assist. Hope this helps
@@AmericanMadeClassics Looks like it was the negative wires. Cut back a couple of inches and put a new connector on, i got at Autozone. About 30 starts, so far so good.
When i did this to bypass it just is making a clicking noise.. So what does that mean ??
Battery was dead is what that means
That is the sound of the Solenoid picking up, but the Starter not working. So this would mean the Starter is indeed Bad.
good but you should cut to the chase and not ramble on.
Where you bought your headlights?
From eBay. The bulbs are Xenon.
Thanks Man ! This really helps!!!
Thanks for the video! Very helpful. On another note, after struggling and finally succeeding to remove the starter through the same gap you did, I was able to put the new one in through a cavity further forward towards the front of the Jeep. Much easier to get in.
Did u remove the upper control arm? Way too tight
No, did not remove the upper control arm. I removed a brake hose bracket as described in the video at 20:45.
@@AmericanMadeClassics i tried that but still no space. The solenoid part wont let it down.. Too wide
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You have to take the positive off of the battery. This proves you know nothing about fixing vehicles.
I feel so enlightened, thank you so very much for your contribution. You’re a car-fixin’ genius!
@@AmericanMadeClassics . Master mechanic for 25 years. Maybe you should read ohms law and figure it out so you don’t give bad advice on the internet.
@@michaelmcdonald790 Riiiight. Sorry I couldn’t live up to your expectations, your majesty. Good thing the people watching the video only got what they paid for it.