OU offered Ok State a home and home to extend Bedlam, which has been played continuously since 1910, but the Cowboys said no. That’s why OU is playing UH in 2024.
Fellas, you say right now that no self-respecting team would agree to a road game with Texas in this example. That may be true for a year or three, but if they want to stay relevant and have meaningful schedules against the top teams, they will have to. That's not just for SEC opponents, that's Big 10 opponents too. Merging or partnering with the ACC won't cut it. If I'm the Big 12 or the ACC, I'm very nervous about the SEC/Big 10 partnership that excluded the ACC and Big 12. The 34 teams of the SEC and Big 10 are on the verge of splitting away to their own league or division, and out of those 34, I think 24-26 of them are the top revenue programs in the NCAA. You have to go down to #17 to find a non-Sec, non-Big 10 school. The Big 12 and ACC are about to become the new G5. So...if the Big 12 wants to hang onto pride, then there are plenty of current G5s that will take a one game payday to be on TV against the Big 10/SEC. Meanwhile, enjoy Utah vs Louisville as your big game. (I doubt FSU and Clemson will be in the ACC much longer )
I watched the whole 1 hr and 20 minute town hall meeting. He did not REFUSE to schedule former Big 12 colleagues. He said that he needed to see how the SEC schedule fleshes out. That in the near future, it won’t happen. They have big home and home games scheduled for the next decade-ish. That means that the home and home game type series with former Big 12 teams will not be scheduled for a while. He did not say never. Just clarifying
As a Michigan fan I cannot wait for the Longhorns to come to Ann Arbor, even if it'll be a very tough game. Further, I cannot wait for Michigan to go to Austin in '27. And sandwiched in between my Wolverines go to Norman in '25 and have the Sooners at home in '26. It'll be a bloodbath, but these huge September games between the bluest of the blue bloods is what makes College Football awesome and unique. Go Blue and September can't come soon enough!
Texas shouldn't play home and home with any 12 +4 schools. They would never give Coastal Carolina or Sam Houston like that so why play a AAC school. The 12 is just another G5, its a waste of Texas time
Here's the real reason we (SEC) only want none conference home games. We need the ticket sales, our athletic budgets are extremely high. We make alot, but we spend alot.
As crazy as it sounded in 2010, Texas could’ve been in the Big Ten for 13 years now. To think the B1G could have had Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon and USC to go with Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn State.
I LOVE IT!!! Big 12 homers danced on the grave of the Pac 12 like you didn't just prolong your own burial. You hacks better start treat Deion nice because he's the only one that can keep Big 12 games in primetime.
The 9 game conference schedule really does make non-con scheduling a little difficult. Every other year you’re rotating either 5 home/4 away or 4 home/5 away. So the years you have 5 away you really have to maximize your non-conference schedule to get more home games. Sadly the P5 all want more home games, it just is the way it is. Unless the NCAA increases the season to allow for 13 regular season games home-homes with other P5 teams will just decrease especially if the SEC and ACC all go to 9 games. You’ll just end up with historical rivalry games like Iowa-ISU, Florida-FSU-Miami, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Louisville-Kentucky and South Carolina-Clemson that will probably be the lone yearly exceptions.
However, you won't get any Oklahoma State vs OU matchups though. Oklahoma State is butthurt OU left and didn't take oSu with them for the 3rd time. They want to pout in their corner.
I see both perspectives from a financial point of view... (I'm a TCU fan) what I'm more concerned with is creating a built in imbalance in the sport whereby the blue bloods don't have to take on any difficult opponents away from home ever. Much like the SEC only playing 8 conference games, this keeps their teams in the top 25 for longer (thus more likely to make the playoff) and builds a further perception that they're somehow better without having to actually play competitive games in difficult locations like everyone else does. At this point I just wish they would create their own league with their own championships so we can all move on.
The SEC has the most teams in the Top 25 because they have the most OOC wins over ranked teams and I can prove that. It has nothing to do with an 8 or a 9 game conference schedule. "....without having to play competitive games in difficult locations like everyone else does..." Have you looked at Big Twelve OOC schedules in recent years? Or was losing to South Alabama and Wyoming too much for you guys last year? And who can forget the Big Twelve going 0-3 vs. the Sun Belt in 2020?
I didn't say the 8 game schedule had to do with OOC success, I said it is a built in advantage in the same way as not playing home and home against OOC opponents is an advantage. Bear Bryant was very insistent he didn't want to play ranked teams back to back. He knew that's where football teams are the most vulnerable. Modern coaches and ADs are just as aware of this fact and having the 8 game schedule allows the SEC to throw in a cream puff so you're not forced to play tough SEC opponents in succession like other conferences. Why do you think Alabama played Chattanooga and Tennessee played UConn in November??? It certainly wasn't to get themselves mentally tough for the CFP.
@@mattclark6482 And I never said that it was an advantage for OOC success. I said that it wasn't the reason that the SEC has so many teams ranked in the Top 25 which is exactly what you were implying. Tennessee playing UConn in November isn't the reason that they ran Iowa off the field on New Year's Day.
@@chuckwest7045 What I said is the SEC teams are ranked higher for "LONGER" meaning deeper in the season. If it's two weeks before the end of the season and there are three SEC teams with one loss (largely because they haven't played one another) and all the other conferences have a hodge podge of 1 and 2 loss teams at the top of their conferences the SEC teams are absolutely going to be ranked higher than the 2 loss teams in that moment. I doubt anyone would argue that point. Furthermore, I am suggesting that being ranked higher for longer creates an imbalance in the minds of voters that will almost certainly favor SEC teams (largely because people have only short term memory these days). You're acting like I said this is some massive advantage that would completely flip the rankings in totally different directions ( I never said that). I'm just saying it is a small built in advantage that will skew things to favor the SEC over time and anyone that was interested in a level playing field would not allow these imbalances to continue.
Yes i too wish they'd create their own league and move on. Let them become semi pro. Let the rest of G5 and P5 schools go back to college football where athletes don't transfer ever season and a playoff that's more inclusive.
The SEC should be required at least 1 Power Five games out of Conference since they only play 8 conference games. People complain about Michigan’s three cupcakes last year but SEC team regularly have 3 cupcakes a year. Michigan still played 9 Power Five games.
My man, that rule is already in place and has been for a while. I don't think you know enough about the subject. Since you seem heavily invested in this 9 conference game thing... Riddle me this, when did the Pac12, Big12 & B1G go to 9 conference games? Once you know that you'll notice that they didn't switch to 9 conference because of competitive integrity. It was negotiated in their TV deal, they went after extra money, and got it. The B1G loves boasting that they make more than the SEC in tv revenue. But it's only been recently that people have been complaining about the 8 game conferences. The SEC will switch to 9 when they get fairly compensated for it. ESPN refused to pay more for that extra conference game, so the SEC voted to stay at 8. Calling ESPN's bluff, they'll try to negotiate again in 2026. And Michigan haven't play ANY P5 OOC games for the last 2 years, not just last year. Nobody is doing what Florida is doing, playing 11 P5 games in 2024 regular season (Florida St, Miami & UCF in OOC). My LSU Fighting Tigers play 2 new B1G teams next year (USC & UCLA)....
@@tremoore61 You claiming Florida scheduled 11 FBS Power 5 games. I call BS when those games were scheduled UCF was not Power Five. So they don’t get credit for scheduling 11 Power Five games. Oh by the way the Big 10 has been playing 9 game schedules off and on since the 1970s long before the big money contracts. The Big Ten all routinely played the Pac 12 one game a year. Also while I acknowledged Michigans three cupcakes, you don’t acknowledge that many SEC teams in fact significantly more than Big 10 teams played three cupcakes as well. Including all the highest ranked teams in the SEC like Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Missouri who all played three cupcakes schedules. Michigan just recently switched to the cupcake schedules while the SEC has had them all along.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 my man, I was replying to your original post. About requiring a mandatory P5 opponent & your Michigan statement. I felt you may not have been informed of the order of operations of things. That's why I explained the SEC's 8-9 game hold up. I didn't make excuses, stand up for, or justify those SEC cup cake games. EVERYBODY plays them. I personally don't like them. Personally I would love a P5 only schedule, and play/pay those lower tier schools for a teams spring games (instead of teams playing themselves, 1's vs 1's, 2's vs 2's...). But I made it a point for you to look up when each conference changed to a permanent 9 game conference schedule. To signify that the Pac12 (who was first), the Big12 (2nd), and the B1G (3rd) decided to chase money by going to a 9 conference game schedule. The SEC and ACC has changed NOTHING (I haven't heard you say anything about the ACC yet by the way, I guess since you hold the SEC to such a high standard... I get it). They kept it consistent! But now after 9 game conferences reaped the benefits of all that extra money, they have the audacity to complain about our schedule. That's because people forgot, they weren't making those accusations in 2017, 18, or 19 (the B1G at least). Because it was too fresh, and they were making more money than the mighty SEC. I guess now, you might feel like it wasn't worth it or something, because since ANY P5 conference switched to a 9 game conference, they only have 1 title to show for it (this year). And because the SEC and ACC have had more titles since then, you magically want to blame us. Like I said, the audacity! The SEC's ability to think for itself and not follow trends must be maddening! So now that they are going to 16 teams and it makes sense for them to go to 9, those salty conferences want us to give in to the name calling (which would be BEYOND weak) and prematurely go to 9 games without compensation is idiotic. And I'll give you credit for the UCF on Florida's schedule, but they were still the top, or the top 2 G5 teams when it was scheduled. So even if you don't give them P5 status just yet (I don't blame you), that game still wouldn't be classified as a cup cake. You said, and I quote.... " B1G all routinely played the Pac12 one game a year" did that not apply for Michigan in 2022 or 2023? Who did Iowa play this year? Did Penn St play a Pac12 team? Minnesota? Illinois? Perdue? Indiana?.... maybe it's ever other year? All I'm trying to get at is... how can y'all be mad or have problems with us? Why, because y'all don't like the results of your own actions?! That's crazy and hypocritical to me. I apologize for LONG reply.
@matthewhuszarik4173 my man, I was replying to your original statement, about requiring an P5 OOC game. And your statement about Michigan's schedule. I did not make excuses for, stand up for, or attempt to explain the SEC's weak OOC. And I never will, because I'm not a fan of them. Personally I'd prefer a P5 only schedule, and to play/pay those lower tier games as our spring game (instead of teams playing themselves, 1v1's & 2v2's). But EVERYONE has cup cake games, I don't really even care about that. You said the B1G plays the Pac12 once a year... who did Michigan play in 2022 or 2023? The list is shorter for the teams that actually played Pac12 teams. And why is playing the weakest (failed) P5 conference a brag? I tried to convey my point by allowing you to look up how/why these conferences started playing 9 games. The Pac12, Big12 & B1G decided to change things and chase money. The SEC & ACC didn't change anything (you haven't said anything about the ACC, I guess the mighty SEC is held to a higher standard... I get it). And now after reaping the benefits ($) of the 9 conference games, and since NO team that played 9 conference games has EVER won a championship until Michigan this year. The greedy people chasing money decides it's the SEC's fault! I guess the SEC being able to think for themselves and not follow trends is maddening for some. And side note, Michigan wasn't the first 9 gamer to win a title. That honor goes to Alabama during the covid year when the SEC played 10 conference games. Remember when the B1G wanted to cancel their season? So basically you're mad at consistency. And with the SEC going to 16 teams, now it makes sense to switch to 9 games. I'll give you credit for the Florida vs UCF, they were G5 when it was scheduled. But they were the best or 2nd best G5 team when it was scheduled, but still wouldn't have been classified as a cup cake game. LSU still scheduled UCLA & USC in 2024, you were oddly quiet about that. But please get the hippocracy in order! B1G guys bragging about making more money (trying to make yourself look better for Florida St), then in the next breath complaining about the SEC doing the same thing since 1992! Objectivity why would the SEC have changed anything? They win more titles than anyone. If it ain't broke, there's no need to fix it. Until now, when it benefits us with 16 teams.
@@tremoore9831 Michigan quit playing 10 Power Five games a couple years ago when they saw it hurt them more than it helped them make it to the post season and apparently they were right. They won the National Championship only playing 9 Power Five games at the same time the top six ranked teams in the SEC all only played 9 Power Five schools. Ohio St. the last three years played 10 Power Five games. Was that a factor in them losing to Michigan all three years when they had only lost to them once going back to 2004 while they were both playing 10 Power Five games? It seems like Michigan decided to follow the SEC example and it paid off for them. So unless the NCAA mandates it, don’t expect Big 10 teams to continue to play a 10th Power Five game unless it becomes mandatory across the board. It just isn’t in their interests. Not only do they lose revenue in the lost home game every other year, but it will make it harder for them to reach the post season. You only need one or two games at most against highly ranked teams to get into the post season playing anymore just reduces your chances.
Texas is ALWAYS living rent free in other fan's minds. Y'all hated us when we were on the conference and couldn't wait to see us leave. Now yall crying because we don't want to play you. Y'all cant have it both ways.
Agree. I'm a Texas alum and fan. I'm also old. BA in '76 and MPA in '78. So I have seen it all... the good and bad. I'm honest enough to admit that my school was a primary or contributing factor in the breakup of the SWC and the BigXII. I think the steam went out of the BigXII for Texas when CU, Mizzou and the Children of the Corn left the conference. I grew tired of playing games against the remaining (and new) BigXII teams who treated the Longhorns as their Super Bowl and Texas just sleepwalked through games with teams they weren't excited about. I think the Big XII will be happy to have us gone and we'll be happy to play other large state University teams. Texas usually plays fairly well when they are motivated. Looking ahead, I think Coach Sarkisian has them on track and the fans are excited for the future.
With the P2 consolidation and likely additional conference games, it will be increasingly difficult and a decreasing incentive to play difficult ooc games. I good faith estimate that the BIG12 teams will only be able to replace ~33% of the lost vs. big brand games. That will also go for the ACC after it depletes out. After the dust settles, I suspect that Tier 1 P2s will only be able to schedule non-P2s if mandated by law, required by contractual obligations, or specifically exempted.
@@reverend_wintondupree A consolidated ~24 each P2 will have the brand gravity to make large conferences work. The SEC stays regional for brand/culture reasons. Agreed, 24 member P2s will be sub-divided regionally. Not a problem for football, and there's only so many games. If the ACC's experience is an indicator, the challenge will be men's basketball. The members all wanted annual home/aways with UNC and/or DUKE due to filling venues, increased exposure, and chances at quality wins; however, expansion didn't allow that.
Is this any kind of big surprise? As a UT-ex, I can tell you that the reason for my school moving to the SEC was to play in a tough conference. Over the years, our non-conference football schedule has featured at least one really tough non-conference opponent like Ohio State, LSU Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. We played the schools to beef up the strength of the schedule. Next season we will face MIchigan on the road. Other than a trip down memory lane, why would we want to play at Lubbock, Waco, or Fort Worth. We have nothing to gain. Despite the contempt and vitriolic behavior displayed by Big XII fans against Texas and OU since both announce their intentions to seek a spot in the SEC, I hold no ill will against Big XII folks.I am a native Texan. I have fond memories of the days of the old SWC and the BIg XII. I wish everyone continuing in the Big XII all the best. If at some future date, Texas hosts a football game against Tech, TCU or Baylor, I would enjoy the matchup. Old rivalries die hard.
Exactly... The Big 12 just did not represent the needs and desires of Texas' program. The Big 12 did that to themselves. It's not Texas' fault the league refused to add teams for years when 4 big powerhouses left the conference. Now they're crying about why won't Texas play with us instead of making sure their conference can land top 10/15 classes every year. Texas will play with you if you earn it. The games didn't matter anymore.
@@sarahmccoy1941not really but I will watch this dumpster fire built on arrogance. Regular season viewship numbers are going to plumment. A league of around 36 teams and a playoff featuring multiple rematches is too much like the NFL. But even worse they are alienating a ton of fans of teams not in the club? And then how long are fans of Northwestern, Illinios, Vanderbilt, Miss State, South Carolina, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, Kentucky going to invest their time in when they never go to playoff or get blown out in the first round of the playoff the is also conference game rematch? 5 years in everyone will see the pattern. And even Texas vs Bama in regular season will mean a lot less when both are virtually guaranteed a playoff birth.
@@mjbset93 The problem with your statement, that Northwestern, Illinois, Vanderbilt, Miss State, South Carolina, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, Kentucky, long have been in the situation you suggest. They are competitive in other sports and they make a ton of money by being in B1G or SEC football. Viewship will not waiver. If anything is it going to get better. Folks like you see to think that the SEC and the B1G need you, when in fact, they don’t.
1:34 Even this segment deals with Texas, yhey always manage to find a way to stick Ohio State into this. OSU does home + away in the past with Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, USC, and Oregon. Ohio State is not afraid be it an 8-game or a 9-game schedule.
Enjoy your piss poor stadiums you will be playing at including that dump in that dust bowl that Lubbock is. Main reason I'm glad is Texas finally said screw this and went to play with the big dogs in stadiums that hold 100 plus. The Horns might schedule an ex conference member down the road but for sure it won't be at your place. You don't want it and certainly no Horns fan would either.@@clifftondouangdara6249
What bothers me the most is that UT basically called all the shots in the conference, especially when expansion came up and they still left. The old AD had some plan for Norte Dame, Clemson, and Florida State but even then that was a pipe dream.
Big 12 should schedule games against the ACC primarily. Love to see a Houston vs Clemson/Miami/FSU/UNC home and home. Stop chasing the SEC. I'm not saying don't ever play em but the more u have wet dreams about being "on par" with them u only devalue yourself. You'll almost be guaranteed to play the SEC in the 12 team playoff anyway.
I can see the new BIG12 targeting the likely future ACC remainders for home/away games, but the ACC schools eventually heading to the SEC/B1G should go ahead and start home/away games with the current P2 members.
@shrim1481 what's that old saying about the sun shining on a dog's butt every now and again? Sour grapes? How many chips has texas won in the last 20 yrs playing in a much weaker conference?
@massivedynamic2339 texas is what? 1 of about 10 schools to win a championship in the last 20 year's. Thats pretty good. And from 2000 to 2010 the big 12 was as good if not better than any other conference.
@josephrenfro6071 LSU has won 3 with 3 different coaches. Bama has several. Georgia has a couple. Florida has a couple. Texas is going to get handled in the SEC. Hell, they were just average in the big12.
@massivedynamic2339 dude. Texas record in big 12 was 158-79 (not avg). Texas record vs sec is 192-94-4 (not avg) Texas vs all the teams you like to blow in the sec? UT vs bama 8-2-1 UT vs lsu 9-8-1 UT vs Florida 2-0-1 UT vs Georgia 4-1 Texas will be just fine. Just worry about your own school. And stop blowing the sec. Because texas is joining and thats way to big of a hog to fit in your mouth Texas has also won 2 out of the last 3 directors cup "best athletic department award"
We know you are not a longhorn. Longhorns are not stupid & cocky nor will they ever talk down about the longhorns. The longhorn network was put into place bc the rest of the big 12 voted no on a big 12 network.
@@edwardmartinez6401 longhorns are stupid and cocky. Just look at the lengths they went to keep Houston out of the conference. They were afraid of Houston winning the recruiting wars and did everything in their power to keep them down. In the SWC early days Houston owned Texas and they couldn’t handle it.
The more obvious reason for TX not to play Big12 teams going forward (and especially not at home) as a non-conference game is that TX will already have a tough enough schedule to deal with in conference. WTF would they want to add in non-con Big12 teams that will consider that game their super bowl and add even more difficulty to their schedule? They already scheduled games like Michigan as non-con games so I don't think you can justify it IMO. F Brett Yormark, the sand Aggies and the tortillas they rode in on.
This is fine by me. Because the truth is when it comes CFP time, the powers that be will look for opportunities to schedule old conference rivals. That way if the seeding is right, they will not have a choice but to come to Lubbock, Waco, Manhattan, Ames, etc. Here’s to hoping anyway.
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As a Horn fan the only Big 12 team I would like to continue is with Oklahoma St. Those were some barn burners.
Why are the B12 fans salty? I thought yall were pumped UT/OU were so leaving.
Can't have it both ways.
Well, feigned wishes of departure. Losing the 2 money makers in Oklahoma and Texas hurts, any way you slice it.
That’s the thing, They want to share UT/OU money. But they don’t want them in the conference.
At least Texas brought in the CFP money for the conference this year. Yormark should be damn grateful.
OU offered Ok State a home and home to extend Bedlam, which has been played continuously since 1910, but the Cowboys said no. That’s why OU is playing UH in 2024.
Because they recruit well in Houston. With tx and a/m up rice’s rear. OU won’t be back in H-town any time soon.
Fellas, you say right now that no self-respecting team would agree to a road game with Texas in this example. That may be true for a year or three, but if they want to stay relevant and have meaningful schedules against the top teams, they will have to. That's not just for SEC opponents, that's Big 10 opponents too. Merging or partnering with the ACC won't cut it. If I'm the Big 12 or the ACC, I'm very nervous about the SEC/Big 10 partnership that excluded the ACC and Big 12. The 34 teams of the SEC and Big 10 are on the verge of splitting away to their own league or division, and out of those 34, I think 24-26 of them are the top revenue programs in the NCAA. You have to go down to #17 to find a non-Sec, non-Big 10 school.
The Big 12 and ACC are about to become the new G5. So...if the Big 12 wants to hang onto pride, then there are plenty of current G5s that will take a one game payday to be on TV against the Big 10/SEC. Meanwhile, enjoy Utah vs Louisville as your big game. (I doubt FSU and Clemson will be in the ACC much longer )
I watched the whole 1 hr and 20 minute town hall meeting. He did not REFUSE to schedule former Big 12 colleagues. He said that he needed to see how the SEC schedule fleshes out. That in the near future, it won’t happen. They have big home and home games scheduled for the next decade-ish. That means that the home and home game type series with former Big 12 teams will not be scheduled for a while. He did not say never. Just clarifying
As a Michigan fan I cannot wait for the Longhorns to come to Ann Arbor, even if it'll be a very tough game.
Further, I cannot wait for Michigan to go to Austin in '27.
And sandwiched in between my Wolverines go to Norman in '25 and have the Sooners at home in '26.
It'll be a bloodbath, but these huge September games between the bluest of the blue bloods is what makes College Football awesome and unique.
Go Blue and September can't come soon enough!
Your statement is spot on.
But it does not fit the hate-Texas narrative. 😂
Texas does not need to sacrifice gate recruits to play in smaller stadiums. Home games increases its overall revenue.
Texas shouldn't play home and home with any 12 +4 schools. They would never give Coastal Carolina or Sam Houston like that so why play a AAC school. The 12 is just another G5, its a waste of Texas time
Ya after you lost 2 games to UH in basketball 🫢
Tu new Vanderbilt of sec
As a Longhorn I’m just glad we survived Kansas State and UofH this past season.
Not in basketball 🫢
Why would they? They have nothing to gain from it lol.
A win win for Texas and Big 12 schools!
For Texas yes. But a big pay day is lost for Big 12 schools.
Here's the real reason we (SEC) only want none conference home games. We need the ticket sales, our athletic budgets are extremely high. We make alot, but we spend alot.
Rid the November cupcake games
These guys think the Big 12 is somewhere in the same level as the SEC 🤣😂
As crazy as it sounded in 2010, Texas could’ve been in the Big Ten for 13 years now. To think the B1G could have had Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon and USC to go with Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn State.
Thank would have even rivaled the Nick Saban era SEC.
@@sarahmccoy1941how so
I LOVE IT!!! Big 12 homers danced on the grave of the Pac 12 like you didn't just prolong your own burial. You hacks better start treat Deion nice because he's the only one that can keep Big 12 games in primetime.
The 9 game conference schedule really does make non-con scheduling a little difficult. Every other year you’re rotating either 5 home/4 away or 4 home/5 away. So the years you have 5 away you really have to maximize your non-conference schedule to get more home games. Sadly the P5 all want more home games, it just is the way it is. Unless the NCAA increases the season to allow for 13 regular season games home-homes with other P5 teams will just decrease especially if the SEC and ACC all go to 9 games. You’ll just end up with historical rivalry games like Iowa-ISU, Florida-FSU-Miami, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Louisville-Kentucky and South Carolina-Clemson that will probably be the lone yearly exceptions.
However, you won't get any Oklahoma State vs OU matchups though. Oklahoma State is butthurt OU left and didn't take oSu with them for the 3rd time. They want to pout in their corner.
I see both perspectives from a financial point of view... (I'm a TCU fan) what I'm more concerned with is creating a built in imbalance in the sport whereby the blue bloods don't have to take on any difficult opponents away from home ever.
Much like the SEC only playing 8 conference games, this keeps their teams in the top 25 for longer (thus more likely to make the playoff) and builds a further perception that they're somehow better without having to actually play competitive games in difficult locations like everyone else does. At this point I just wish they would create their own league with their own championships so we can all move on.
The SEC has the most teams in the Top 25 because they have the most OOC wins over ranked teams and I can prove that. It has nothing to do with an 8 or a 9 game conference schedule.
"....without having to play competitive games in difficult locations like everyone else does..." Have you looked at Big Twelve OOC schedules in recent years? Or was losing to South Alabama and Wyoming too much for you guys last year? And who can forget the Big Twelve going 0-3 vs. the Sun Belt in 2020?
I didn't say the 8 game schedule had to do with OOC success, I said it is a built in advantage in the same way as not playing home and home against OOC opponents is an advantage.
Bear Bryant was very insistent he didn't want to play ranked teams back to back. He knew that's where football teams are the most vulnerable. Modern coaches and ADs are just as aware of this fact and having the 8 game schedule allows the SEC to throw in a cream puff so you're not forced to play tough SEC opponents in succession like other conferences.
Why do you think Alabama played Chattanooga and Tennessee played UConn in November??? It certainly wasn't to get themselves mentally tough for the CFP.
@@mattclark6482 And I never said that it was an advantage for OOC success. I said that it wasn't the reason that the SEC has so many teams ranked in the Top 25 which is exactly what you were implying.
Tennessee playing UConn in November isn't the reason that they ran Iowa off the field on New Year's Day.
@@chuckwest7045 What I said is the SEC teams are ranked higher for "LONGER" meaning deeper in the season.
If it's two weeks before the end of the season and there are three SEC teams with one loss (largely because they haven't played one another) and all the other conferences have a hodge podge of 1 and 2 loss teams at the top of their conferences the SEC teams are absolutely going to be ranked higher than the 2 loss teams in that moment. I doubt anyone would argue that point. Furthermore, I am suggesting that being ranked higher for longer creates an imbalance in the minds of voters that will almost certainly favor SEC teams (largely because people have only short term memory these days).
You're acting like I said this is some massive advantage that would completely flip the rankings in totally different directions ( I never said that). I'm just saying it is a small built in advantage that will skew things to favor the SEC over time and anyone that was interested in a level playing field would not allow these imbalances to continue.
Yes i too wish they'd create their own league and move on. Let them become semi pro. Let the rest of G5 and P5 schools go back to college football where athletes don't transfer ever season and a playoff that's more inclusive.
With all the hate they throw our way this last season f them. I hope we never play them again and allow them to make a dime off our brand.
They're going to play Tex A&M, Oklahoma, and Mizzu all the time... 😅😅😅
2026- 9 games just in time for Clemson, N C
Additions .
64k is the biggest stadium. BYU 64k... Not rocket surgery🤠🤘
The SEC should be required at least 1 Power Five games out of Conference since they only play 8 conference games. People complain about Michigan’s three cupcakes last year but SEC team regularly have 3 cupcakes a year. Michigan still played 9 Power Five games.
My man, that rule is already in place and has been for a while. I don't think you know enough about the subject. Since you seem heavily invested in this 9 conference game thing... Riddle me this, when did the Pac12, Big12 & B1G go to 9 conference games? Once you know that you'll notice that they didn't switch to 9 conference because of competitive integrity. It was negotiated in their TV deal, they went after extra money, and got it. The B1G loves boasting that they make more than the SEC in tv revenue. But it's only been recently that people have been complaining about the 8 game conferences. The SEC will switch to 9 when they get fairly compensated for it. ESPN refused to pay more for that extra conference game, so the SEC voted to stay at 8. Calling ESPN's bluff, they'll try to negotiate again in 2026.
And Michigan haven't play ANY P5 OOC games for the last 2 years, not just last year. Nobody is doing what Florida is doing, playing 11 P5 games in 2024 regular season (Florida St, Miami & UCF in OOC). My LSU Fighting Tigers play 2 new B1G teams next year (USC & UCLA)....
@@tremoore61 You claiming Florida scheduled 11 FBS Power 5 games. I call BS when those games were scheduled UCF was not Power Five. So they don’t get credit for scheduling 11 Power Five games.
Oh by the way the Big 10 has been playing 9 game schedules off and on since the 1970s long before the big money contracts. The Big Ten all routinely played the Pac 12 one game a year.
Also while I acknowledged Michigans three cupcakes, you don’t acknowledge that many SEC teams in fact significantly more than Big 10 teams played three cupcakes as well. Including all the highest ranked teams in the SEC like Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Missouri who all played three cupcakes schedules.
Michigan just recently switched to the cupcake schedules while the SEC has had them all along.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 my man, I was replying to your original post. About requiring a mandatory P5 opponent & your Michigan statement. I felt you may not have been informed of the order of operations of things. That's why I explained the SEC's 8-9 game hold up. I didn't make excuses, stand up for, or justify those SEC cup cake games. EVERYBODY plays them. I personally don't like them. Personally I would love a P5 only schedule, and play/pay those lower tier schools for a teams spring games (instead of teams playing themselves, 1's vs 1's, 2's vs 2's...). But I made it a point for you to look up when each conference changed to a permanent 9 game conference schedule. To signify that the Pac12 (who was first), the Big12 (2nd), and the B1G (3rd) decided to chase money by going to a 9 conference game schedule. The SEC and ACC has changed NOTHING (I haven't heard you say anything about the ACC yet by the way, I guess since you hold the SEC to such a high standard... I get it). They kept it consistent! But now after 9 game conferences reaped the benefits of all that extra money, they have the audacity to complain about our schedule. That's because people forgot, they weren't making those accusations in 2017, 18, or 19 (the B1G at least). Because it was too fresh, and they were making more money than the mighty SEC. I guess now, you might feel like it wasn't worth it or something, because since ANY P5 conference switched to a 9 game conference, they only have 1 title to show for it (this year). And because the SEC and ACC have had more titles since then, you magically want to blame us. Like I said, the audacity! The SEC's ability to think for itself and not follow trends must be maddening! So now that they are going to 16 teams and it makes sense for them to go to 9, those salty conferences want us to give in to the name calling (which would be BEYOND weak) and prematurely go to 9 games without compensation is idiotic.
And I'll give you credit for the UCF on Florida's schedule, but they were still the top, or the top 2 G5 teams when it was scheduled. So even if you don't give them P5 status just yet (I don't blame you), that game still wouldn't be classified as a cup cake.
You said, and I quote.... " B1G all routinely played the Pac12 one game a year" did that not apply for Michigan in 2022 or 2023? Who did Iowa play this year? Did Penn St play a Pac12 team? Minnesota? Illinois? Perdue? Indiana?.... maybe it's ever other year?
All I'm trying to get at is... how can y'all be mad or have problems with us? Why, because y'all don't like the results of your own actions?! That's crazy and hypocritical to me. I apologize for LONG reply.
@matthewhuszarik4173 my man, I was replying to your original statement, about requiring an P5 OOC game. And your statement about Michigan's schedule. I did not make excuses for, stand up for, or attempt to explain the SEC's weak OOC. And I never will, because I'm not a fan of them. Personally I'd prefer a P5 only schedule, and to play/pay those lower tier games as our spring game (instead of teams playing themselves, 1v1's & 2v2's). But EVERYONE has cup cake games, I don't really even care about that. You said the B1G plays the Pac12 once a year... who did Michigan play in 2022 or 2023? The list is shorter for the teams that actually played Pac12 teams. And why is playing the weakest (failed) P5 conference a brag?
I tried to convey my point by allowing you to look up how/why these conferences started playing 9 games. The Pac12, Big12 & B1G decided to change things and chase money. The SEC & ACC didn't change anything (you haven't said anything about the ACC, I guess the mighty SEC is held to a higher standard... I get it). And now after reaping the benefits ($) of the 9 conference games, and since NO team that played 9 conference games has EVER won a championship until Michigan this year. The greedy people chasing money decides it's the SEC's fault! I guess the SEC being able to think for themselves and not follow trends is maddening for some. And side note, Michigan wasn't the first 9 gamer to win a title. That honor goes to Alabama during the covid year when the SEC played 10 conference games. Remember when the B1G wanted to cancel their season? So basically you're mad at consistency. And with the SEC going to 16 teams, now it makes sense to switch to 9 games.
I'll give you credit for the Florida vs UCF, they were G5 when it was scheduled. But they were the best or 2nd best G5 team when it was scheduled, but still wouldn't have been classified as a cup cake game. LSU still scheduled UCLA & USC in 2024, you were oddly quiet about that.
But please get the hippocracy in order! B1G guys bragging about making more money (trying to make yourself look better for Florida St), then in the next breath complaining about the SEC doing the same thing since 1992! Objectivity why would the SEC have changed anything? They win more titles than anyone. If it ain't broke, there's no need to fix it. Until now, when it benefits us with 16 teams.
@@tremoore9831 Michigan quit playing 10 Power Five games a couple years ago when they saw it hurt them more than it helped them make it to the post season and apparently they were right. They won the National Championship only playing 9 Power Five games at the same time the top six ranked teams in the SEC all only played 9 Power Five schools. Ohio St. the last three years played 10 Power Five games. Was that a factor in them losing to Michigan all three years when they had only lost to them once going back to 2004 while they were both playing 10 Power Five games? It seems like Michigan decided to follow the SEC example and it paid off for them. So unless the NCAA mandates it, don’t expect Big 10 teams to continue to play a 10th Power Five game unless it becomes mandatory across the board. It just isn’t in their interests. Not only do they lose revenue in the lost home game every other year, but it will make it harder for them to reach the post season. You only need one or two games at most against highly ranked teams to get into the post season playing anymore just reduces your chances.
Texas is ALWAYS living rent free in other fan's minds. Y'all hated us when we were on the conference and couldn't wait to see us leave. Now yall crying because we don't want to play you. Y'all cant have it both ways.
Agree. I'm a Texas alum and fan. I'm also old. BA in '76 and MPA in '78. So I have seen it all... the good and bad. I'm honest enough to admit that my school was a primary or contributing factor in the breakup of the SWC and the BigXII.
I think the steam went out of the BigXII for Texas when CU, Mizzou and the Children of the Corn left the conference.
I grew tired of playing games against the remaining (and new) BigXII teams who treated the Longhorns as their Super Bowl and Texas just sleepwalked through games with teams they weren't excited about. I think the Big XII will be happy to have us gone and we'll be happy to play other large state University teams. Texas usually plays fairly well when they are motivated. Looking ahead, I think Coach Sarkisian has them on track and the fans are excited for the future.
With the P2 consolidation and likely additional conference games, it will be increasingly difficult and a decreasing incentive to play difficult ooc games. I good faith estimate that the BIG12 teams will only be able to replace ~33% of the lost vs. big brand games. That will also go for the ACC after it depletes out.
After the dust settles, I suspect that Tier 1 P2s will only be able to schedule non-P2s if mandated by law, required by contractual obligations, or specifically exempted.
And if by any chance the p2 were to expand again we could very well see a return of regional divisions within each of the conferences
@@reverend_wintondupree A consolidated ~24 each P2 will have the brand gravity to make large conferences work. The SEC stays regional for brand/culture reasons.
Agreed, 24 member P2s will be sub-divided regionally. Not a problem for football, and there's only so many games. If the ACC's experience is an indicator, the challenge will be men's basketball. The members all wanted annual home/aways with UNC and/or DUKE due to filling venues, increased exposure, and chances at quality wins; however, expansion didn't allow that.
Is this any kind of big surprise?
As a UT-ex, I can tell you that the reason for my school moving to the SEC was to play in a tough conference.
Over the years, our non-conference football schedule has featured at least one really tough non-conference opponent like Ohio State, LSU Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. We played the schools to beef up the strength of the schedule. Next season we will face MIchigan on the road.
Other than a trip down memory lane, why would we want to play at Lubbock, Waco, or Fort Worth. We have nothing to gain.
Despite the contempt and vitriolic behavior displayed by Big XII fans against Texas and OU since both announce their intentions to seek a spot in the SEC, I hold no ill will against Big XII folks.I am a native Texan. I have fond memories of the days of the old SWC and the BIg XII. I wish everyone continuing in the Big XII all the best.
If at some future date, Texas hosts a football game against Tech, TCU or Baylor, I would enjoy the matchup. Old rivalries die hard.
Exactly... The Big 12 just did not represent the needs and desires of Texas' program. The Big 12 did that to themselves. It's not Texas' fault the league refused to add teams for years when 4 big powerhouses left the conference. Now they're crying about why won't Texas play with us instead of making sure their conference can land top 10/15 classes every year. Texas will play with you if you earn it. The games didn't matter anymore.
@@jonathonedwardmiller CDC could see the writing on the wall. The SEC and the B1G are the only relevant conferences in NCAA football.
@@sarahmccoy1941 facts... ok so what do you think we do with replacing georgia and florida as noncon games
@@sarahmccoy1941not really but I will watch this dumpster fire built on arrogance. Regular season viewship numbers are going to plumment. A league of around 36 teams and a playoff featuring multiple rematches is too much like the NFL. But even worse they are alienating a ton of fans of teams not in the club? And then how long are fans of Northwestern, Illinios, Vanderbilt, Miss State, South Carolina, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, Kentucky going to invest their time in when they never go to playoff or get blown out in the first round of the playoff the is also conference game rematch? 5 years in everyone will see the pattern. And even Texas vs Bama in regular season will mean a lot less when both are virtually guaranteed a playoff birth.
@@mjbset93 The problem with your statement, that Northwestern, Illinois, Vanderbilt, Miss State, South Carolina, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, Kentucky, long have been in the situation you suggest. They are competitive in other sports and they make a ton of money by being in B1G or SEC football.
Viewship will not waiver. If anything is it going to get better.
Folks like you see to think that the SEC and the B1G need you, when in fact, they don’t.
1:34 Even this segment deals with Texas, yhey always manage to find a way to stick Ohio State into this. OSU does home + away in the past with Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, USC, and Oregon. Ohio State is not afraid be it an 8-game or a 9-game schedule.
Good…let them just go away….
I’m glad they aren’t. I’m tired of seeing them at all! Big 12 can play anyone other than Texas and still play quality teams!
Bye! 👋
Enjoy your piss poor stadiums you will be playing at including that dump in that dust bowl that Lubbock is. Main reason I'm glad is Texas finally said screw this and went to play with the big dogs in stadiums that hold 100 plus. The Horns might schedule an ex conference member down the road but for sure it won't be at your place. You don't want it and certainly no Horns fan would either.@@clifftondouangdara6249
Colorado State incoming!
Might even make $100K on that one, if you are lucky.
@@BurntOrangeHorn78 don’t laugh cause y’all would lose to them at home….
@thorr2317
To which B12 teams did Texas lose in 2023?
Checks game results ......
Oh, none!
🤘🏻🤘🤘🏼🤘🏽🤘🏾🤘🏿
FJB & Baylor
That’s why the B1G is better then the SEC!!!!! Go Buckeyeses!!!
You can see his point. The B12 has little stadiums.
I wonder if Arizona St(Home/Home) gets removed from the schedule that is already in place?
What bothers me the most is that UT basically called all the shots in the conference, especially when expansion came up and they still left. The old AD had some plan for Norte Dame, Clemson, and Florida State but even then that was a pipe dream.
That won’t be the case in the SEC
OU and UT generated 45% of the B12 revenue.
As a Tea sipper, I was hoping to continue to plat Tech.
Big 12 should schedule games against the ACC primarily. Love to see a Houston vs Clemson/Miami/FSU/UNC home and home. Stop chasing the SEC. I'm not saying don't ever play em but the more u have wet dreams about being "on par" with them u only devalue yourself. You'll almost be guaranteed to play the SEC in the 12 team playoff anyway.
I can see the new BIG12 targeting the likely future ACC remainders for home/away games, but the ACC schools eventually heading to the SEC/B1G should go ahead and start home/away games with the current P2 members.
After getting handled in the SEC they will be wishing for the big 12.
UT beat Alabama and made the playoffs last year, they will be fine, Mr. sour grapes.
@shrim1481 what's that old saying about the sun shining on a dog's butt every now and again? Sour grapes? How many chips has texas won in the last 20 yrs playing in a much weaker conference?
@massivedynamic2339 texas is what? 1 of about 10 schools to win a championship in the last 20 year's. Thats pretty good. And from 2000 to 2010 the big 12 was as good if not better than any other conference.
@josephrenfro6071 LSU has won 3 with 3 different coaches. Bama has several. Georgia has a couple. Florida has a couple. Texas is going to get handled in the SEC. Hell, they were just average in the big12.
@massivedynamic2339 dude. Texas record in big 12 was 158-79 (not avg).
Texas record vs sec is 192-94-4 (not avg)
Texas vs all the teams you like to blow in the sec?
UT vs bama 8-2-1
UT vs lsu 9-8-1
UT vs Florida 2-0-1
UT vs Georgia 4-1
Texas will be just fine. Just worry about your own school. And stop blowing the sec. Because texas is joining and thats way to big of a hog to fit in your mouth
Texas has also won 2 out of the last 3 directors cup "best athletic department award"
He did say in a different interview that Baylor and TCU but Bret and his big mouth caused a lot of this plus his flunky assistant
That's fine. Let Texas play three non-conference games against D1A and D2 schools. Let there strength of schedule suffer.
As long as they played in the SEC, their strength of schedule will not suffer.
Texas is going to play 9 conference games and 1 big home and home. They will arguably have a top 5 schedule every year.
I'm still trying to figure out how USF got Alabama to agree to a home game.
USF plays it’s home games in a NFL stadium
They struck a 2-for-1 deal. One home game in Tampa for two return trips to Tuscaloosa.
Rid the November cupcake games dammit!!!
Del Conte has always been a turd. He was a turd when he was the AD at TCU
As a Longhorn graduate, even I have to admit.... The Longhorns and their stupid network was the cause of ALL this realignment BS, going back to 2011.
Lll yeah sure you’re a Longhorn grad. Apparently Texas failed you! Since clearly you don’t understand the basics of business and finance.
We know you are not a longhorn. Longhorns are not stupid & cocky nor will they ever talk down about the longhorns. The longhorn network was put into place bc the rest of the big 12 voted no on a big 12 network.
Ain't no way in hell you are ONE of US. We never do self deprecation. We never go against the family. Ever.
@@edwardmartinez6401 longhorns are stupid and cocky. Just look at the lengths they went to keep Houston out of the conference. They were afraid of Houston winning the recruiting wars and did everything in their power to keep them down. In the SWC early days Houston owned Texas and they couldn’t handle it.
Texas wanted a Big XII network, but there was no support among other schools in the BIg XII. So then, they opted for the LHN.
Texas is a weird place.
UH vs UT at NRG!!!!!
The stuff of UH fans wet dreams!
Texas is actually afraid of playing Houston. If it weren't for bad ref calls Houston would have beat Texas.😊
@@equalizer1946 Always an excuse. 😂
lol yeah, sure. A school that plays tOSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Bama etc is afraid of the power house UH!
@@haroldflashman4687 They always have been teasip…
The more obvious reason for TX not to play Big12 teams going forward (and especially not at home) as a non-conference game is that TX will already have a tough enough schedule to deal with in conference. WTF would they want to add in non-con Big12 teams that will consider that game their super bowl and add even more difficulty to their schedule? They already scheduled games like Michigan as non-con games so I don't think you can justify it IMO. F Brett Yormark, the sand Aggies and the tortillas they rode in on.
RICHT ON TARGET. EXCELLENT POST!
That is excellent news!
We all knew this was coming. Not like I needed another reason to ignore anything coming out of UT.
Gosh I hate Texas.. Texas is scared to go on the road..
Yup...Texas is scared to play on the road meanwhile they just played (and beat) Alabama in Tuscaloosa and will play Michigan on the road next year.
@@olumideaje9612 AND Ohio State on the road next year.
@@olumideaje9612 Greg is another native of Delusionville, a Cougar High suburb.
You people don’t deserve for Texas to have to come play in your little wannabe hornets nest stadiums anymore.
This is fine by me. Because the truth is when it comes CFP time, the powers that be will look for opportunities to schedule old conference rivals. That way if the seeding is right, they will not have a choice but to come to Lubbock, Waco, Manhattan, Ames, etc. Here’s to hoping anyway.