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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024

Комментарии • 142

  • @zzco
    @zzco 10 месяцев назад +14

    I would love to hear about why GIMP should change it's name and what it needs to become competitive!

    • @hammerheadcorvette4
      @hammerheadcorvette4 10 месяцев назад +2

      The argument on why the name change is due to the derogatory use of the word "gimp" . I've always stated that it's use is old hat and circa the 1950's. It's not used in that fashion anymore or even in normal day to day for any reason.
      As for the development of GIMP, it really needs to tackle CMYK support and the Non Destructive features. Those 2 are massive to it's usage as most people who use Ps over GIMP always point to these as sticking point. It's gonna be a while.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  9 месяцев назад +3

      @zzco there are many reasons but ultimately it is because it is unprofessional and the industry the software is in, ignores it and has done so for decades. If they want to be taken seriously they have to do a rebrand otherwise it will just continue to sit in the perpetuity of mediocrity. I am going to make a video on this.
      @hammerheadcorvette4 You are correct that this is one of the reasons why. @zzco the term is used derogatorily towards people with physical disabilities. However, @hammerheadcorvette4 this term is not "circa 1950s" that suggests it is no longer used and it is most certainly still used. I have a friend who was born with physical limitations so he has been in a wheelchair his entire life. He has told me he has been called this term so many times he lost count. This is just one example of "just because you havent heard it being used for that, doesn't mean the term is not used for that".
      This is not the only reason though. There is also the Pulp Fiction version which is completely unprofessional and is literally the basis for the name of the project as confirmed by the original developers. There is also the reason that the term is used to described something as broken or damaged or weakened such as in video games "they gimped the character because they were OP".
      Any of the 3 are reasons to change the name but having all 3 and refusing to change the name is just terrible project management.
      As for what is needed, @hammerheadcorvette4 is correct. CMYK support is needed but Non-Destructive is much more important. However, Non-Destructive is so complicated and is not a single feature but more like 20+ features. I doubt GIMP will ever get there even in 100 years of development at the current rate of the project. GIMP 2.x was originally released in March 2004. That's right, GIMP 3.0 is just now finally coming out and with a "hopeful" May 2024 release that means it will have taken 20 years to have a major update AND that major update will still be out of date because it is using GTK 3 while GTK 4 has been out since 2020.
      Ultimately, I wish GIMP changed its name solely so it could become a viable project that people such as myself, professionals, would be able to use it but because it is a pariah it will never get there without some kind of backing effort from companies.

    • @zzco
      @zzco 9 месяцев назад

      Do note that I agree 100%, it's indeed a silly name that has a bad acronym- I was just curious if that was the only reason.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  9 месяцев назад +1

      In my opinion that’s why the project has never had any kind of backing from a company and that is why it’s so far behind even with 3 times more development time than other alternatives.

    • @hammerheadcorvette4
      @hammerheadcorvette4 9 месяцев назад

      More like Adobe is so ingrained in the Creator space with support, that most companies would rather "bite the bullet" on going with Adobe over competition. Also, the discounts they get for continuing support contracts.
      GIMP is visually unappealing and has a high learning curve, even with skins to replicate Adobe tools. Let's not forget, that during the '90s early '00s there was a legitimate competitor in Corel products. That competition has gone away@@michael_tunnell

  • @fuseteam
    @fuseteam 10 месяцев назад +4

    We NEED a tux ugly sweater

  • @bitsurface5654
    @bitsurface5654 10 месяцев назад +2

    Why should I but a 20 Years old sweater? The risk of getting a Virus outside is to risky to me!!! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @thundreturtle
    @thundreturtle 10 месяцев назад +2

    GIMP 3 roadmap??? Do I hear Half Life 3 confirmed!!!?!?!?!?!?!?

  • @guilherme5094
    @guilherme5094 10 месяцев назад +3

    The openSUSE logo is already perfect!

  • @CubicleNate
    @CubicleNate 10 месяцев назад +8

    I agree that openSUSE should just leave their logo as it is. Sure, it may be a bit older but it brings such warm happiness by gazing upon it.

    • @remixedcat
      @remixedcat 10 месяцев назад

      I love the cuter logos they make it mode friendly and approachable

  • @paulo.valverde
    @paulo.valverde 10 месяцев назад +2

    openSUSE logo is not the prettiest. It DOES need an update.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      Maybe with a professional effort that allows creativity. This restricted contest from anyone is not a great way to do it but sure it wouldn’t hurt to have an update

  • @shifureisaikyou2055
    @shifureisaikyou2055 9 месяцев назад +1

    23:00 i want, you mentioned something about color soaces i think in Destintion Linux

  • @jkoking1
    @jkoking1 10 месяцев назад +3

    When I first started learning about Linux and open source I thought Gimp was a gnome project

    • @conan_kudo
      @conan_kudo 10 месяцев назад +1

      It is these days.

  • @ari-mcbrown
    @ari-mcbrown 10 месяцев назад +2

    Here’s an idea for the new name for Gimp. TAFKAG 🤣

    • @jamesvandamme7786
      @jamesvandamme7786 10 месяцев назад

      No, in Navajo that means "Jewish masturbator".

  • @TheEricDangerous
    @TheEricDangerous 10 месяцев назад +3

    I think that in the future, those who want XOrg will have to use BSD.

    • @hammerheadcorvette4
      @hammerheadcorvette4 10 месяцев назад +3

      XOrg's developers are those who are developing Wayland. XOrg will go away as it should.

  • @john.w.y.
    @john.w.y. 10 месяцев назад +2

    IMP - an Image Manipulation Program built on free software.

    • @jamesvandamme7786
      @jamesvandamme7786 10 месяцев назад

      Yeah, the mascot is an imp. I think.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for commenting. In my opinion, It doesn’t need to be changed just for the sake of change. It needs a good brand to compete. I think the change needs to be more dramatic than just removing the G

  • @fuseteam
    @fuseteam 10 месяцев назад +1

    If you buy it, wear it on the show xd

  • @Scrub_Ghost
    @Scrub_Ghost 10 месяцев назад +2

    Was that like that smash button?

    • @michaeljaques77
      @michaeljaques77 10 месяцев назад

      Instructions unclear; subscribed to the thumbs up button.

  • @zzco
    @zzco 10 месяцев назад +2

    Say what now -- Enterprise users don't need HDR? What about professional photo editing or creation (e.g., GIMP)? Do they not need HDR for their work (at least correct color profiles for their monitors?)

    • @zzco
      @zzco 10 месяцев назад

      I meant don't need **, oops! ^^;

    • @TheClonerx
      @TheClonerx 10 месяцев назад

      That's not enterprise

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      I said “most” and also those aren’t really enterprise related. Professionals yes but enterprise is like the 20,000 people working at Verizon and what not

    • @zzco
      @zzco 10 месяцев назад +1

      Verizon still has people using Adobe Creative Suite :p

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      @zzco that’s true but I was speaking in general sense which there’s probably not that many using CS 😆

  • @tmendoza6
    @tmendoza6 10 месяцев назад +1

    oh yeah Linux news time!

  • @andrewmiles2204
    @andrewmiles2204 10 месяцев назад +2

    Make that GIMP video it would be great!

    • @turnerofthings
      @turnerofthings 9 месяцев назад

      I second that! Pulp Fiction fan names should stay in the Pulp Fiction community.

  • @igorgiuseppe1862
    @igorgiuseppe1862 10 месяцев назад

    buy an sweater to help fund an nature conservancy group? i doubt that will ever work...
    if it was an software then sure, no big deal the impact of running an software to the enviroment is pretty small compared to producing any physical thing and shipping it.

  • @ericfielding668
    @ericfielding668 10 месяцев назад +5

    I'm a big Barrier user and would not like to be forced to Wayland before Barrier works with Wayland.

    • @michaeljaques77
      @michaeljaques77 10 месяцев назад +3

      So is that a big barrier, or a little barrier to adoption?

  • @rickdelancey6407
    @rickdelancey6407 10 месяцев назад +18

    No, GIMP does not need to change its name.

    • @MyReviews_karkan
      @MyReviews_karkan 10 месяцев назад

      ​@Fippity_FipperRight? And some people out there worried about the name. lol

    • @jamesvandamme7786
      @jamesvandamme7786 10 месяцев назад

      @Fippity_Fipper I hit Save instead of Export EVERY TIME

    • @Svennig
      @Svennig 10 месяцев назад +1

      They don't need to change their name. But they should.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +5

      If they ever want to be relevant or seriously considered by the professionals of the industry they targeted then they most certainly should change the name

    • @rickdelancey6407
      @rickdelancey6407 10 месяцев назад

      They're already relevant and how seriously they'll be considered will depend on the development of the desired professional features. Once the missing parts are there the majority could care less about the name. The GNU Image Manipulation Program is great piece of software and as it continually improves it'll garner more attention whether they change the name or not. @@michael_tunnell

  • @ErickWhite-Gronok
    @ErickWhite-Gronok 10 месяцев назад

    I don't need your GIMP responses. I know why you don't like it, but I don't like when companies/projects tend to change their name anyway. We've had the discussion and though I can appreciate your thoughts on it, I don't think we need a full video on it. Least that's my vote.
    I would like them to do more non-destructive things, but I also use it for major stuff when I am working on image manipulation. :)

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks for commenting. This topic having a video is important I think because imagine if we didn’t have that conversation then you wouldn’t have known what my position was or the complexity of the topic.

  • @shaunpatrick8345
    @shaunpatrick8345 10 месяцев назад

    I support a GIMP name change. How about Linux Image Manipulation Package?

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      LIMP would probably not work either. 😆

  • @louisfifteen
    @louisfifteen 10 месяцев назад +2

    Great video Michael. I sure would like a GIMP video and hear what alternative names you have thought off. The Sweater, nah, I don't think so

    • @louisfifteen
      @louisfifteen 10 месяцев назад

      Do you guys know about Nostr?

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      i have not heard of it before now but I will look into it, looks pretty interesting and their slogan is funny 😆

    • @louisfifteen
      @louisfifteen 10 месяцев назад

      @@michael_tunnell Yes and there's a new and recent over 1 hour long conversation with Edward Snowden and Jack Dorsey about the future of the internet and security. I am not an expert, so I'm still trying to fathom the Nostr concept.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  9 месяцев назад +2

      Nostr is a alternative to Twitter similar to Mastodon. I thought their slogan was funny. "A decentralized social network with a chance of working".
      It is funny for multiple reasons because 1. they are admitting it hasnt worked before. 2. they dont know if it will work. 3. the chance is slim, imo
      Social networks function in a way that needs mass adoption to be viable. This means that everyone needs to know about it the platform and can easily join the platform. The first thing that the Get Started page says for Nostr is explaining security keys and what public/private key pairs are. As a marketer, I laugh because Nostr has failed at the first sentence.
      The reason why a social network is successful is that the barrier to entry is low and the people you communicate with are all in a centralized platform. The concept of a decentralized social network is an oxymoron, they will never work because mass adoption requires low barriers to enter and if one starts off the "get started" page by explaining security keys . . . well, it's already failed.

    • @louisfifteen
      @louisfifteen 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@michael_tunnell YEah, I gave up when I saw their website. But I might take another look one of these days.

  • @stephanhuebner4931
    @stephanhuebner4931 10 месяцев назад

    I wonder why I would need or even want something that represents the abomination that called itself an OS... I guess I'm one of the lucky few who only very rarely had to deal with Windows, having had Amigas and then G3/G4-Macs, and both of these had way better OSs than Windows ever was.
    Besides, it's still Microsoft and I still don't like them. Also, the pricing is ridiculous. It's not as if MS needs the money...

  • @trektn
    @trektn 10 месяцев назад

    When has chatgpt been open sourced? We're not counting GPT-2 right?

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  9 месяцев назад +1

      It started as open source. That’s why the company was named OpenAI. They were just using it for marketing though, as soon as they could make money from it they closed it

  • @nowycwan
    @nowycwan 10 месяцев назад

    About OpenAI, I think MS is paying employee of OpenAI for spying and tech stolling.

  • @MyReviews_karkan
    @MyReviews_karkan 10 месяцев назад +3

    Man, that wayland move IS too early in my opinion, but like you said, someone's gotta do it. I personally can't use wayland at the moment with Plasma because of how blurry the fonts are with fractional scaling. Nate said this is fixed in plasma 6, so I'm just crossing my fingers

    • @_DRMR_
      @_DRMR_ 9 месяцев назад

      There are still way too many issues and missing features with Wayland for me.
      Xorg is not going to disappear any time soon.

  • @stepannovotny4291
    @stepannovotny4291 10 месяцев назад +1

    By changing their logo, Suse will send the message that like Microsoft, they intend to have a lot of unwanted churn and change in their OS, much like many companies feel the need to constantly change the design of their running shoes without regard to functionality or how well they are selling.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      SUSE changed their logo a couple years ago, this is about openSUSE. SUSE change was the first time they changed it in decades so I don’t think unwanted change is a sign here

    • @stepannovotny4291
      @stepannovotny4291 10 месяцев назад

      They didn't get enough a couple of years ago so they're coming back for more!

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      SUSE and openSUSE are different entities. SUSE changed, openSUSE never has. This story is about openSUSE wanting to.

  • @michaeljaques77
    @michaeljaques77 10 месяцев назад +1

    One easy to quantify reason to rename GIMP, is the basic problem that a google search WILL return some, uh, less than savory results whether you like it or not, while your attempting to find information about a photo manipulation tool. I'm sure you could probably say the same about "photoshop" but if you are searching for something software most people will search "adobe photoshop" but gimp is just gimp. I know you can't wall off the internet from everything, but this one obvious unfortunate awkward name mix-up can go away, with a name change, one simple name change.

    • @fuseteam
      @fuseteam 10 месяцев назад

      I guess we could call it, 'gimp image editor'

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      @fuseteam that does not change anything.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      @michaeljaques77 that is fundamentally the problem yes. BUT it’s not a mixup, that’s the sad part. The original developers name it this on purpose because they thought it was funny

    • @michaeljaques77
      @michaeljaques77 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@michael_tunnellI didn't know about the origin, but if the original developers are on record as doing it on purpose than even more reason to change it. It shouldn't be controversial. If the current developers knowing refuse to change it all the more reason to turn up the pressure on them.

    • @jamesvandamme7786
      @jamesvandamme7786 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@michaeljaques77 You just can't win picking names that please everybody. The Audi e-Tron means turd in French. Not sure if that was deliberate.

  • @trapspringer9891
    @trapspringer9891 10 месяцев назад

    Ok. Wanted to check out the Greek holiday but guide in the show notes, didn't find it. Maybe I'm looking in the won't place. Also, tried to go to his website, but it kept reflection me to a Honda page? Tried a few different ways, but I got nothing. What am I doing wrong. I checked out some of the other links with no problem, like GIMP and the windows ugly sweater.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      Greek Holiday? I’m not sure what you are referring to

    • @trapspringer9891
      @trapspringer9891 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@michael_tunnell Holy cow, my message is riddled with typos. Typing on the phone causes typos and I don't always notice them. I meant "I wanted to check out the Geek Holiday buying guide in the show notes but didn't find it. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. I also tried to go to his website, but it kept redirecting me to a Honda page? I tried different ways but I got nothing..."

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      Oh dang it! I forgot the link in the show notes? Oh my bad! Here ya go ruclips.net/video/FHVdZRmJ7hI/видео.html

    • @trapspringer9891
      @trapspringer9891 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@michael_tunnell fantastic, thank you very much.

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 10 месяцев назад

    Nick from The Linux Experiment also mentioned they now are going to improve InputLeap - a Barrier fork - to handle Wayland properly since RedHat wants to axe Xorg asap.
    I really hope they make this happen for real as Barrier is a very important tool in my workflow but as things are right now, I am better off using Windows 11 more than any distro that only supports Wayland because such things such as mouse/keyboard sharing and others such as screen capture still refuse to work properly.

    • @mat_max
      @mat_max 9 месяцев назад +1

      Rhel 10 will only support wayland, but rhel 9 will still have support until 8 years from now

  • @HomerSparkle
    @HomerSparkle 10 месяцев назад

    Not opposed to Wayland, but when Xorg goes it'll take a hella lot of tiling window managers with it, including the one I'm using now. I'm sure the list of compatibility issues don't end there (Steam, Nvidia drivers, most commercial software, etc.).

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      Which window manager do you use? Steam works just fine on Wayland

    • @HomerSparkle
      @HomerSparkle 10 месяцев назад

      @@michael_tunnell I'm using herbstluftwm, which has zero plans to ever switch to Wayland. If that were the only blocker, I'd probably just switch to Sway, but there's a lot more to it.
      The Steam issue is more an issue with using the Nvidia drivers with Xwayland, which is a very subpar experience when it works at all.
      I just don't really have any motivation to switch to something that's going to give me a worse experience, and/or force me to jump through a lot of hoops, when I already have a working system.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      I think Xorg will still be usable on most distros for many years to come. Fedora didn't make this change, just RHEL so I feel like this is so Red Hat doesn't have to promise maintenance for 10 more years.

  • @igorgiuseppe1862
    @igorgiuseppe1862 10 месяцев назад

    i dont think the name is such a big issue, maybe for the english speaking world but that dont explain the popularity (or lack of popularity) of gimp elsewere

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      The name is terrible which forces companies to avoid it due to public relations nightmare backlash so it never gets funding and thus never gets tools that professionals need. The results in lack of popularity due to lack of value.

    • @igorgiuseppe1862
      @igorgiuseppe1862 10 месяцев назад

      @@michael_tunnell the name is terrible for the english speaking countries, but we have other countries in the world

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      It’s an English focused project so yea the name being terrible for English speakers is a problem. Just because there are other countries has not proved valuable since no one has ever funded it from any country

  • @darsparx
    @darsparx 10 месяцев назад

    I really hope for the best with these distros starting to drop xorg. Its long overdue to maybe spur development on it to cover what its missing.
    Do wonder what could happen to peertube for people to still make money doing it bc yea a lot of us definitely dont want ads to infect it the same way youtube has gone way overboard then wonder why people feel the need to block them out....like cmon 😅

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +1

      PeerTube doesn’t have a monetary structure unfortunately

    • @darsparx
      @darsparx 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@michael_tunnell yea which I fear is a reason a lot of people won't jump ship to it even as a backup of their content. Especially people like jaiden animations and other smaller creators that probably really need the ad revenue to keep doing their content creation.... (esp when you've got people like me watching them that can't afford merch or patreon subscriptions even tho I would love too....)

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +2

      the money is one part of it but the barrier to entry is also another. Hosting your own instance of peertube is not worth it imo for most people and since the instances that exists are very limited in how many people can join and how much they can upload its not really going to be a mainstream solution. Odysee provided a reasonable alternative for creators but since the company behind that recently died, I doubt it will be around long term. @@darsparx

    • @darsparx
      @darsparx 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@michael_tunnell yea which is rough because it seems ultimately confusing how to sign up for these activitypub services. It'd be great if someone put out a good guide and helped get some of the less techy creators to switch. But that's as impossible to happen as getting people to switch to linux(despite the invasive telemetry windows and Mac both have even with everything turned off last I checked....)

  • @az9az9az9
    @az9az9az9 10 месяцев назад

    For a Red Hat, it makes sense because server. But for Fedora, that can't launch multi million line code creator apps in a correct manner. Why isn't there graphical solution to EASY launch xorg inside wayland?

    • @fuseteam
      @fuseteam 10 месяцев назад +2

      There is, it is called xwayland xd

    • @hammerheadcorvette4
      @hammerheadcorvette4 10 месяцев назад +1

      xwayland. . .

    • @darsparx
      @darsparx 10 месяцев назад

      That's xwayland like the others said. It's just missing some features that redhat seems to be investing in fixing along with fixing Wayland itself. Not that I trust redhat with recent moves but we'll see ig 😅

    • @az9az9az9
      @az9az9az9 10 месяцев назад

      @@darsparx I need to check how to get Blender running in xwayland, i only have Xorg installed right now.

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад +2

      @az9az9az9 XWayland is a built in function for Wayland and is provided automatically when using Wayland. You simply install an app the same way your normally would and if it is supported by XWayland then it will just work as expected. If not supported then it simply wont work. You dont have to do anything special for XWayland that is a translation layer inside of Wayland.

  • @joshua_lee732
    @joshua_lee732 10 месяцев назад +2

    I'd like to know why gimp needs to change it's name.

    • @potatoes5829
      @potatoes5829 10 месяцев назад +2

      agree. I think gimp is a fine name

    • @Cuperino
      @Cuperino 10 месяцев назад +3

      As someone who learned English as their second language, I didn’t see the problem for a very long time. It wasn’t until I learned that the word gimp is a derogatory way of referring to people with a particular physical impediment, by means of a close friend with that impediment, that I realized how harmful that name is to them. My friend went as far as unfriend me in a big discussion, but thankfully we had another friend in common nearby who mediated and helped us come to understand each other.
      The name should be changed because it’s disrespectful to the disabled, failing to represent the values of a community that aims to empower people via software.

    • @sambird7
      @sambird7 10 месяцев назад

      The acronym for GNU Image Manipulation Program is a slur. The fact that people are so comfortable with this is disturbing.

    • @sambird7
      @sambird7 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@Bogotrazitelj."Oh boohoo, The woke mob is coming to take my slurs away!"
      If thinking it's probably not a good idea to name software after slur is Political Correctness, than maybe PC is good?
      Grow up

    • @Bob-of-Zoid
      @Bob-of-Zoid 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Bogotrazitelj. There's no mob, and no entity is enforcing political correctness, nor demanding it! Besides why do you call it politically correct, when it's an issue of respect, tact, good behavior, to not use derogatory names/words? It's almost 2024, not 1920!
      Sounds like you are part of a mob: The conspiracy theorist mob!

  • @fuseteam
    @fuseteam 10 месяцев назад +2

    GIE: gimp image editor

    • @michael_tunnell
      @michael_tunnell  10 месяцев назад

      Keeping the name gimp anywhere would not help, imo

    • @fuseteam
      @fuseteam 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@michael_tunnell i mean the can be anything xd, the suggestion is GIE, the gimp is just to contextualize gie :p
      The more i type it, the more it sounds like 'guy' lol