Different names for the ELO brackets: “Metal Leagues” (iron-plat) & “Gem/Gemstone Leagues” (emerald+diamond). Purely descriptive instead of degrading👍👍
Average global IQ should be 100 or 100 makes no sense. Average US IQ is 98 which is much more reasonable then 90. Highest average nation IQ is Japan with 112 as of right now which is actually huge difference on average. Usually IQ is calculated with SD 15 (standard diviation 15 points). When SC2 was measured it was top followed by LoL closely but this is specifically modern study.
The way IQ test is developed is its different in each country, with 100 being average. Average not being 100 means test is not valid and wasnt optimized for the country IQ test in Africa will have average 100, IQ test in US will have average 100. The reason IQ test was created is to compare general level to deviations
@@ArkeniusTV If you compare results globably you can make country differences. I don't know which organisation has standardised tests but i assume that's how they do it.
For chess. Below 1000 : Beginner. Between 1000-1800 : Intermediate Between 1800-2200 : Advanced Over 2200 + : Title players (Master+ League relevant) 2500+ is GM (Challenger rated)
Riot actually does have groupings for ranked players that dont use "low elo" but still group players. Its how they do their parches and balence. Average Iron IV - Gold I (0-90 percentile) Skilled Platinum IV - Diamond III (90-99 percentile) Elite Diamond II - Challenger (99-100 percentile) Pro Top Professional Leagues (LPL, LCK, LEC, LCS, PCS, VCS)
I think an underrated AD mid is Quinn. She has good laning, good disengage, and good gank setup. She is also really good at being a roaming assassin and impacting the map. The biggest skill gap is how well someone usues her passive, but I think a lot of people could play her pretty casually on the lower ranks and so just fine on her.
As you guys said in the video. the study only had 1000 participants, not 1000 participants per game, so its possible some games only had about 20 players for example Therefore it's indicative but not very concrete. Additionally the test was done via survey, which has sampling bias' , as the type of people who respond to a survey are not randomly selected. and also the test was done online, which is less reliable. Therefore I would NOT trust these results 120 IQ Average is quite high, and that's the "average" league player. There is no way that's true unless it was flooded with Koreans. Keep in mind the global average is 100 Note the average IQ of Physics Graduate is 130, which is very high. But I don't think we have many of them in Iron or bronze.
I haven't watched the video yet but from what I can see that study is very.... to put it blunt very useless, their study has zero defined true methodology and very low amount of players analysed, what if all the studied league players are high elo? what if the all the rocket league players are low elo? There needs to be a structure for it to work without it being inconsistent or if there was the user reading the study needs to be aware of it. I find it very very hard to believe high level rocket league players would have "90" IQ average. Just look at any high level rocket league montage.
The last story is how I tried to teach my friend's to get better 10 years ago when they were struggling. Glad to hear that you guys held the same mindset and are giving it to a huge audience. Great to see. Thanks for the great podcast!
29:09 I've been playing Pantheon as my AD pick. Very simple kit, good roam potential. Has a much different playstyle than the AP mages that I play like Ori/Hwei but if you need the AD it's strong.
There is no such thing as a "Black myth wukong" player. the game just came out lol? They just happened to be playing that game when the test was conducting? Seems like a pretty stupid study but maybe im missing some crucial info.
Psychology student here. I have run my own research studies before, 1000 people is a decent sized study. While it is far from conclusize a vast majority of studies go: gizen our data initiatial findings would suggest X to be true. Also given a statistically analysis on the study there is a good likelihood that the study results would be statistically significant findings given the base alpha of .05
54:00 As someone who also came over from Smite before playing League, just because it's a MOBA doesn't mean it translates to League very well. There's so many differences like the fundamentally different controls and item system that any knowledge before from Smite doesn't really help that much. It's like moving from hockey to soccer. They both have teams and some goals to score in, but the games are played in such a different way even though basic concepts like passing are shared. For someone who is still level 67, I imagine that he's still learning how to control his champion smoothly not to mention all the other aspects of the game. I took me many thousands of hours of playing ADCs over the last 4 years to develop good micro and the intuition of when and how to dodge skill shots and at what range to tether various champions. For the first year of playing, I don't think I could even auto attack and move at the same time without feeling overwhelmed in a bot lane 2v2. I think he's absolutely correct that right now he's has experience gap between himself and even the other bronze players he's against. Just because they are bronze doesn't mean they aren't trying to play their best and win their ranked games. Many of them have been playing for years and can play above a bronze level but are just really inconsistent with their decision making. Personally, I think it's perfectly fine just to play normals for the first few months to learn the basics of the game and develop some champion mastery in a less stressful environment. At a bronze level, the difference beteen learning the game in ranked and in normals isn't that much. Jumping into ranked later with a better understanding of how the game works will make the process at lot less painful.
I find Counter Strike being so high up pretty fascinating, because that community fights tooth and nail for the most toxic community spot, definitely up there with LoL and a lot of other commonly mentioned toxic games.
"Argument for ADC, where is my AP champions" => Nathan Mott. Kaisa, Kogmaw, Twitch, Smolder, Varus ? Then you have all the Mid mages that could be played as AD Veigar, Ziggs, karthus
I think the biggest issue with AD mids currently, is that their items are just not great. Because their items aren't great numerically, more of their power needs to be extracted from the champion itself. Because OTPs are the only players able to extract enough power from their champions, only OTPs can reliably make them work. I think a big reason why AD mids have such poor items is because lethality is too generic. If lethality is strong for assassins, it's too strong for ad ranged champions. With crit only working on AAs and lethality working on AAs and abilities, I dont think there's a world where there can be a balance. Lethality should be restricted to abilities only, just like crit is restricted to AAs only. There can be exceptions ofc, but it should be an exception
It is funny when they talk about elo brackets and go through what their brackets are and then say "if only there was a name for them, we have to come up with something." Luckily, Riot has already done this! lol. Another great episode to listen to today!
As an Ori/Viktor twotrick, I would love an AD control mage. If a character is ad, they are either melee carries like yasuo/yone, or they are assassins, and neither of those playstyles appeals to me.
A lot of mid laners in my game casually play Yasuo they just almost always lose on it. 😂 On the topic of "or you just play 2v2 AP mid jungle" Phreak has tried to make this a lot more viable. Rather than adding AD mids he's made magic resist much harder to itemize. Merc Treads are the most expensive and give lower MR. He's added really strong MR debuff on Abyssal Mask to make heavy AP comps more viable.
"low elo" I think is better characterized as unorganized league, not so closely tied to a tier. Its the game being played with a coordinated level of macro, based on team comp, game conditions, etc.
A sample size of 1000 is actually above many of the sample size requirements for statistical testing. But what do I know I'm a league player. *Neanderthal Keyboard Noises*
This article is statistically flawed on so meny levels lmfao. 1.002 is a absurdely low amount to represent the entire gaming community, especially since their assuming that all correspondants are completely isolated in the game. Well nevertheless, guess im the smartest person on the planet. Also the average iq is 98 in the US, not 89,8.
Yeah. The study is flawed in more ways than can even be reasonably described. It really shouldn't exist. But I would have liked if Curtis and Nathan knew a little bit about stats or psychology before making this video to begin with. Anyone with any slightly scientific background at all could look at this study for 5 seconds and tell you why it's extremely poor quality. They could have watched a 10 minute RUclips vid on IQ and IQ tests before hand, and they would have been able to answer most of their own questions.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 IQ is a weird descriptor in general. Its good for populations and describing general ability, but theres a Fload of variance on it. so u need a large sample size.
@@CritiqueCS Yeah, that's one very clear problem at minimum, right? Even without going any deeper, the sample alone is beyond flawed. This study really cannot show us much of anything with how poorly it was conducted.
I'm a naafiri main. It can be played 4 roles top, jg, mid, and I've been playing it most in ADC. I go electrocute, taste of blood, and biscuits with TP, Flash. And the most important thing todo is build Tear + 2 Pot The playstyle has a lot of things a regular adc wants. Like a low hp pool, that makes pots and small heals mean more, coming from 4 sources (q,taste of blood, biscuits, pots) not to mention supports can heal too, who are also good at setting up naafiri, allowing for good champion combos. But I think the biggest thing Naafiri ADC can do is win the draft as a first blind pick. As long as your team doesn't rage at you, your team can easily counter the enemy, giving them favorable/ or comfortable matchups. And often the enemy team Just counterpicks themselves. Idk, it's my fav thing to do, and given how little info there is on this champ, and that she is easy to play, I'd figure I'd share. It's the perfect AD Champ
RIOT break their own ranked ladder when they allowed to put new accounts into the middle of the player base in the system. That's why most of the ranks feels meaningless and seen as low elo, at least that's my opinion. Also this is what I see the source of badly balanced machmaking, low game quality, and most importantly, big part of the player's frustration.
my guy new accounts, since ranked first began, have ALWAYS started out in the middle. the reason you arent above them is because you dont beat them. they beat you.
@@111vincento Yup. And 99% of new accounts you'll ever see are just bought accounts people use to smurf with. If a new account gets ranked highly, it's because the system is assessing their mmr accurately and understands that they're a smurf account. That's good for the game... obviously.
@@111vincento Your argument is just as thorough and accurate as your ability to estimate someones rank from a comment on youtube or be able to read and process something without mixing your refelction of yourself in it. I don't know who hurt you, or why you think this is the way how you need to express yourself, but I wish you the best.
All this study actually does, is tell you that black myth wukong tends to be played by mostly Asians, while games like fifa are played by mostly Latinos and Africans. Low sample size study explicitly conducted to generate pop-science click bait.
@@ShadowRaZeV1Specifically what about the 1-25, 26-75, 76-99 distribution makes you find it impractical? What distribution do you think makes more sense?
Hey guys, Vincent here, from the mailbag. Love your input on the situation, I'll absolutely try to change my view on SoloQ. It's absolutely true, I always feel like I have no choice but to carry, beat the laner, protect the jungler and feed the botlane. If one of those conditions aren't filled, I absolutely feel bad. It's for sure reflecting in my gameplay. So I guess i'll just get back to fundamentals again and practice as a humble platinum player trying to grind to diamond. I hadn't thought about this aspect of the ranking system balancing itself out, but that absolutely makes sense in my case. It also kind of bring me peace of mind knowing I'm now just plat and have to get better and not thinking about my stuck account. Thank you, keep up the good work (To be honest, I would have hated league if you guys didn't explain it the way you do in your podcast. Thank you for that.)
Well let's be real, league is basically a more intense version of chess. You have to memorize champs kits, how they interact with all the other champs then also look for pattern recognition in human players to find their mistakes and capitalize over the meta response. Those patterns are what separate avg players and challenger players. Once you get the basics down, macro and mechanics. Patterns make you top tier. Its more intense chess. Not surprising at all that top league players are high iq with chess. Those who rate high in league probably have high problem solving and logical thinking. I would also imagine those who chase higher ranks are probably also successful off the rift. That drive typically translates to life.
Yup. Regardless of the poorly done study, pure observation and understanding alone could easily tell you that performing well at a high level in League requires a fuck ton of skills and intelligence. You can play League while being not very intelligent, but that doesn't often translate well to being good at the game or reaching high ranks. The ranks of silver and below basically exist to just gatekeep people who really shouldn't be playing League in the first place in terms of what the game actually requires.
i play irelia and gp as ad mid, it takes time to get to a good level withthat 2 but IMO talon is kinda good ad mid. And for the returning player mmr issue, my friend who is diamond 4 on flex and playing a lot of draft vs diamond/master lobbys and winning got gold 4 as solo duo after 3 years of unranked solo duo,before that he was like gold for the skin, but had plat mmr ( placements got him to gold and then left it, because skin was already achieved) and smased a full gold 4-3 lobby with me who is a plat1 right now and last split emerald 2 , so our average mmr is gold 4 I guess.
Lmao this is just crap data. Also most league players are subhuman. Go into low elo and watch literally any interaction. Someone will type in chat they are going to int and then run it down 19 times, and then someone else will randomly go 'wait why is mid so fed??' League players lack any concept of object permanence or continuity.
You're correct that the study is terribly performed, analysed, and discussed. But games like League can literally be played every day for your entire life and not get boring. Why would that be a bad thing?
@@ShadowRaZeV1 Because there are so many amazing experiences to be had in the world of gaming, that just limiting yourself to 1 game seems like a damn shame
if you think smurfing is a bad thing in League, you're likely not very good at the game. Intentionally lowering your mmr or buying low ranked accounts to stay in low elo is obviously not ethical, but buying or creating a smurf account isn't harmful to anyone or anything as long as the mmr system works properly. Riot has talked about how much they have worked on smurf mmr placement for the past year, and it is in a really good spot. Smurfing is and has always been a part of League. That is not going to change, and it shouldn't.
So my friend. When you create a Smurf. It starts you usually in silver and when you win, it will skyrocket your mmr to get you where you need to be. Most new accounts don’t get put in bronze
@@uniqe_apple9763a smurf being in someone’s game doesn’t inherently ruin the game. sometimes people in every rank pop off sometimes, you don’t have to be a smurf. if someone playing well in your game ruins the game for you, I think that’s a you problem
I haven’t finished this episode yet but you guys should be very careful with this subject and research surrounding it. It’s taboo to even discuss IQ, and some of the better research we even have on the subject isn’t fashionable in western politics (*shrugs*). There’s a weird context in which IQ exists where everyone agrees it’s not a perfect proxy for intelligence, but it’s highly predictive and thus often a decent data point to take into consideration. Part of what makes it uncomfortable is the fact that people don’t like how predictive it is, everything that uses IQ as a proxy for something has to dress it up as something else to avoid criticism (good student car insurance discount, interest rates varying based on credit score, etc.). Hopefully you two don’t unknowingly walk into an American Political firestorm.
That is both not how IQ works, and also not how politics work. The study shown in this video is very clearly unusable, and Curtis and Nathan also don't have the required education in stats or psychology to understand it effectively. Talking about IQ is perfectly ok, but talking about IQ poorly is not preferable.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 what are you talking about? I just said they should approach with caution making any content surrounding IQ, I hadn’t even looked at the study yet (hence why I prefaced my comment with saying I hadn’t watched their video fully yet.) IQ does have predictive power, and it’s not weird that it does. “Not how politics works” what are you even talking about lmao? It is very normal for hot-button American issues to inspire a “firestorm”, people go insane about this exact kind of stuff online all the time lol.
@@jacobcannon8876 Car insurance discount for good students is because in theory those good students have are likely more responsible and have more discipline leading to less risk involved. Insurance companies like low risk drivers. Getting good grades does not mean you have a high IQ in any sense. Second, interest rates based on credit score is once again, because companies hate high risk, it has absolutely nothing to do with IQ at all, you know who might have a low credit score? Grigori Perelman. He's a world renowned mathematician who solved one of the millennium prize problems. Plenty of smart people might have a low credit score and it is in no way an indication of high IQ it simply means you're not paying back on time what you're supposed to usually or you don't have a track record of doing so. Just because "high IQ" people would likely tend to not make poor decisions financially does not mean that they are the reason those things are in place. Companies simply like making money, you not costing them money means they're willing to give you a fake reward. Insurance is still pricey as shit either way and interest rates are still insane either way.
As a former Dota2 player (Around Divine), I would agree. Dota2 requires taking in many more factors simultaneously than league, however I would say the factors that league does have, you need to know in more depth. For example, the "ADC" role needs to take into account not only lane farm, but jungle farm and getting the cycles in sync, such that they stack the big camps for extra gold while farming another camp, all while smoke of deceit exists, so you have to be hyper aware where the enemy team are on the map. So it's kind of like in Dota2 you need to be a good at like 50 things to climb and in League you can get away with being really good at 25
I feel like dota is more complicated from a macro and game knowledge standpoint but league takes a lot more to master mechanically and outplay in terms of mechanics. League plays faster from my experiences. I’ve not played much dota but that’s been my general experience as a league player.
@@dumpsterplayer2700 DotA also has an actual onboarding system that hand holds people into learning all of the games mechanics. League doesn't have that. To learn league you actually have to figure the fucking shit out from scratch.
I new we where the most smartest
I to
It's probably just thanks to me.
very bick brane we are!!! lmao XD skibidi
I am are smart too!
i are the smartlyest
Different names for the ELO brackets: “Metal Leagues” (iron-plat) & “Gem/Gemstone Leagues” (emerald+diamond). Purely descriptive instead of degrading👍👍
Metal Elo > Gemstone Elo > Apex Elo - i like it
Gemstone Elo indeed sounds very pretty
Average global IQ should be 100 or 100 makes no sense.
Average US IQ is 98 which is much more reasonable then 90.
Highest average nation IQ is Japan with 112 as of right now which is actually huge difference on average.
Usually IQ is calculated with SD 15 (standard diviation 15 points).
When SC2 was measured it was top followed by LoL closely but this is specifically modern study.
Funny enough, Japanese players suck ass in league.
I was about to comment that sc2 would probably outrank league
The way IQ test is developed is its different in each country, with 100 being average. Average not being 100 means test is not valid and wasnt optimized for the country
IQ test in Africa will have average 100, IQ test in US will have average 100. The reason IQ test was created is to compare general level to deviations
@@nandoborchardt4327 It is very heavy on attention span. No seconds to do nothing when game starts
@@ArkeniusTV
If you compare results globably you can make country differences. I don't know which organisation has standardised tests but i assume that's how they do it.
For chess.
Below 1000 : Beginner.
Between 1000-1800 : Intermediate
Between 1800-2200 : Advanced
Over 2200 + : Title players (Master+ League relevant)
2500+ is GM (Challenger rated)
Riot actually does have groupings for ranked players that dont use "low elo" but still group players. Its how they do their parches and balence.
Average
Iron IV - Gold I
(0-90 percentile)
Skilled
Platinum IV - Diamond III
(90-99 percentile)
Elite
Diamond II - Challenger
(99-100 percentile)
Pro
Top Professional Leagues
(LPL, LCK, LEC, LCS, PCS, VCS)
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I think an underrated AD mid is Quinn. She has good laning, good disengage, and good gank setup. She is also really good at being a roaming assassin and impacting the map. The biggest skill gap is how well someone usues her passive, but I think a lot of people could play her pretty casually on the lower ranks and so just fine on her.
fun to play for sure, and great on paper. but her non existent wave clear makes her highly fringe and unviable vs most meta picks
@@Aceinine She has bad wave clear early on, but Tiamat into profane hydra fixes that.
As you guys said in the video. the study only had 1000 participants, not 1000 participants per game, so its possible some games only had about 20 players for example
Therefore it's indicative but not very concrete.
Additionally the test was done via survey, which has sampling bias' , as the type of people who respond to a survey are not randomly selected.
and also the test was done online, which is less reliable.
Therefore I would NOT trust these results
120 IQ Average is quite high, and that's the "average" league player. There is no way that's true unless it was flooded with Koreans. Keep in mind the global average is 100
Note the average IQ of Physics Graduate is 130, which is very high. But I don't think we have many of them in Iron or bronze.
It was a voluntary study with 1000 participants taken from a Bingo website. The IQ tests were also remote IQ tests that are notoriously inaccurate.
The real IQ test is believing that this is a valid scientific survey.
As a natural sciences physics graduate, radiant valorant, and emerald league player you have successfully flattered my ego
I haven't watched the video yet but from what I can see that study is very.... to put it blunt very useless, their study has zero defined true methodology and very low amount of players analysed, what if all the studied league players are high elo? what if the all the rocket league players are low elo? There needs to be a structure for it to work without it being inconsistent or if there was the user reading the study needs to be aware of it. I find it very very hard to believe high level rocket league players would have "90" IQ average. Just look at any high level rocket league montage.
The last story is how I tried to teach my friend's to get better 10 years ago when they were struggling. Glad to hear that you guys held the same mindset and are giving it to a huge audience. Great to see. Thanks for the great podcast!
29:09 I've been playing Pantheon as my AD pick. Very simple kit, good roam potential. Has a much different playstyle than the AP mages that I play like Ori/Hwei but if you need the AD it's strong.
There is no such thing as a "Black myth wukong" player. the game just came out lol? They just happened to be playing that game when the test was conducting? Seems like a pretty stupid study but maybe im missing some crucial info.
It's literally just because the game is disproportionately popular with Asians
The study is fake, the original source for the "study" is a gambling site. It was just a fake article to draw traffic.
Psychology student here. I have run my own research studies before, 1000 people is a decent sized study. While it is far from conclusize a vast majority of studies go: gizen our data initiatial findings would suggest X to be true. Also given a statistically analysis on the study there is a good likelihood that the study results would be statistically significant findings given the base alpha of .05
54:00 As someone who also came over from Smite before playing League, just because it's a MOBA doesn't mean it translates to League very well. There's so many differences like the fundamentally different controls and item system that any knowledge before from Smite doesn't really help that much. It's like moving from hockey to soccer. They both have teams and some goals to score in, but the games are played in such a different way even though basic concepts like passing are shared.
For someone who is still level 67, I imagine that he's still learning how to control his champion smoothly not to mention all the other aspects of the game. I took me many thousands of hours of playing ADCs over the last 4 years to develop good micro and the intuition of when and how to dodge skill shots and at what range to tether various champions. For the first year of playing, I don't think I could even auto attack and move at the same time without feeling overwhelmed in a bot lane 2v2.
I think he's absolutely correct that right now he's has experience gap between himself and even the other bronze players he's against. Just because they are bronze doesn't mean they aren't trying to play their best and win their ranked games. Many of them have been playing for years and can play above a bronze level but are just really inconsistent with their decision making.
Personally, I think it's perfectly fine just to play normals for the first few months to learn the basics of the game and develop some champion mastery in a less stressful environment. At a bronze level, the difference beteen learning the game in ranked and in normals isn't that much. Jumping into ranked later with a better understanding of how the game works will make the process at lot less painful.
I went to play smite as a long time league player.
Ran it down with ratatoskr every single game man
I find Counter Strike being so high up pretty fascinating, because that community fights tooth and nail for the most toxic community spot, definitely up there with LoL and a lot of other commonly mentioned toxic games.
I've played lol and csgo for thousands of hours. Maybe cuz league has no vc but it's feels way more toxic. league gets me way more angry
@@michael-jl1wz I played about 300 hours, and I got called the n-word at least a dozen times in that span, so I disagree personally.
"Argument for ADC, where is my AP champions" => Nathan Mott.
Kaisa, Kogmaw, Twitch, Smolder, Varus ?
Then you have all the Mid mages that could be played as AD
Veigar, Ziggs, karthus
Coach Curtis forgot about Akshan,,, we're suffering out here in the forgotten graveyard
Akshan is still pretty much a one trick champion. He's pretty mechanically demanding.
I think the biggest issue with AD mids currently, is that their items are just not great. Because their items aren't great numerically, more of their power needs to be extracted from the champion itself. Because OTPs are the only players able to extract enough power from their champions, only OTPs can reliably make them work.
I think a big reason why AD mids have such poor items is because lethality is too generic. If lethality is strong for assassins, it's too strong for ad ranged champions. With crit only working on AAs and lethality working on AAs and abilities, I dont think there's a world where there can be a balance. Lethality should be restricted to abilities only, just like crit is restricted to AAs only. There can be exceptions ofc, but it should be an exception
It is funny when they talk about elo brackets and go through what their brackets are and then say "if only there was a name for them, we have to come up with something." Luckily, Riot has already done this! lol. Another great episode to listen to today!
As an Ori/Viktor twotrick, I would love an AD control mage. If a character is ad, they are either melee carries like yasuo/yone, or they are assassins, and neither of those playstyles appeals to me.
jayce looks broken when zeus is playing him
Yes.
A lot of mid laners in my game casually play Yasuo they just almost always lose on it. 😂 On the topic of "or you just play 2v2 AP mid jungle" Phreak has tried to make this a lot more viable. Rather than adding AD mids he's made magic resist much harder to itemize. Merc Treads are the most expensive and give lower MR. He's added really strong MR debuff on Abyssal Mask to make heavy AP comps more viable.
Just by the Timestamp Titles I know: this is a great episode!
In my head the different elos are grouped like:
low elo: iron, bronze
average elo: silver, gold, plat
high elo: E4-D3
Apex elo: D2 - Chall
D3 vs E4 skill diff is so massive even D4 vs D3 in D4 people stand on kata daggers, in D3 most people don't do that.
"low elo" I think is better characterized as unorganized league, not so closely tied to a tier. Its the game being played with a coordinated level of macro, based on team comp, game conditions, etc.
The only reason for these IQ scores is that ADCs don't know how to take a survey
Should i continue to one trick asol after the upcoming nerfs?
They couldn't work with redstone, so they didn't even try adding minecraft smh
For easy AD mids you are forgetting about Pantheon. Wukong seems good mid too.
A sample size of 1000 is actually above many of the sample size requirements for statistical testing. But what do I know I'm a league player. *Neanderthal Keyboard Noises*
The LoL community. The only community that you can tell them they are the smartest and they'll laugh at you.
This article is statistically flawed on so meny levels lmfao. 1.002 is a absurdely low amount to represent the entire gaming community, especially since their assuming that all correspondants are completely isolated in the game. Well nevertheless, guess im the smartest person on the planet.
Also the average iq is 98 in the US, not 89,8.
Yeah. The study is flawed in more ways than can even be reasonably described. It really shouldn't exist. But I would have liked if Curtis and Nathan knew a little bit about stats or psychology before making this video to begin with. Anyone with any slightly scientific background at all could look at this study for 5 seconds and tell you why it's extremely poor quality. They could have watched a 10 minute RUclips vid on IQ and IQ tests before hand, and they would have been able to answer most of their own questions.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 IQ is a weird descriptor in general. Its good for populations and describing general ability, but theres a Fload of variance on it. so u need a large sample size.
@@CritiqueCS Yeah, that's one very clear problem at minimum, right? Even without going any deeper, the sample alone is beyond flawed.
This study really cannot show us much of anything with how poorly it was conducted.
you guys are mistaken off the bat. The IQ system was created as 100 being the average.
fifa being at the bottom is what makes the most sense. would expect more rts games on this list tho
I like this list my favourite games are at the top and my least favourite games are at the bottom.
how can I send a message to be read on the podcast?
I don't care about iq, just be nice to each other.
Ok you dummy.
My lux jungle last game begs to differ
I'm a naafiri main. It can be played 4 roles top, jg, mid, and I've been playing it most in ADC. I go electrocute, taste of blood, and biscuits with TP, Flash. And the most important thing todo is build Tear + 2 Pot
The playstyle has a lot of things a regular adc wants. Like a low hp pool, that makes pots and small heals mean more, coming from 4 sources (q,taste of blood, biscuits, pots) not to mention supports can heal too, who are also good at setting up naafiri, allowing for good champion combos.
But I think the biggest thing Naafiri ADC can do is win the draft as a first blind pick. As long as your team doesn't rage at you, your team can easily counter the enemy, giving them favorable/ or comfortable matchups. And often the enemy team Just counterpicks themselves.
Idk, it's my fav thing to do, and given how little info there is on this champ, and that she is easy to play, I'd figure I'd share.
It's the perfect AD Champ
whats your rank playing nafiri adc?
RIOT break their own ranked ladder when they allowed to put new accounts into the middle of the player base in the system. That's why most of the ranks feels meaningless and seen as low elo, at least that's my opinion. Also this is what I see the source of badly balanced machmaking, low game quality, and most importantly, big part of the player's frustration.
my guy new accounts, since ranked first began, have ALWAYS started out in the middle. the reason you arent above them is because you dont beat them. they beat you.
@@111vincento Yup. And 99% of new accounts you'll ever see are just bought accounts people use to smurf with. If a new account gets ranked highly, it's because the system is assessing their mmr accurately and understands that they're a smurf account. That's good for the game... obviously.
@@111vincento Your argument is just as thorough and accurate as your ability to estimate someones rank from a comment on youtube or be able to read and process something without mixing your refelction of yourself in it. I don't know who hurt you, or why you think this is the way how you need to express yourself, but I wish you the best.
A few years ago they made it so new accounts always start in iron. Did they change this recently?
@@Obzerver That has never been a thing. And if it was somehow, it definitely hasn't been for a very long time.
Sorry for dragging our community down a few points 👀
we are truly build different
I havent watched the video yet but i can tell ya right now that mine is looooowwww
What about StarCraft iq?
now do 2k players
You mean 10k?
All this study actually does, is tell you that black myth wukong tends to be played by mostly Asians, while games like fifa are played by mostly Latinos and Africans. Low sample size study explicitly conducted to generate pop-science click bait.
not to be stereotypical but could it possibly be because league has a lot of asian players? ...
The correct take is bottom 1-25% is low elo, 26-75% is mid elo, top 76-99% is high elo and top 1% is the apex
LOL. Not even close. If you're not trolling, please explain why you think this is a good way to do it.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 How is he supposed to respond?
You didn't identify the problem, you just said that it's wrong and you're stupid.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 That's simply because that's how it works in every single normal distribution. Bottom 25 is low top 25 is high middle 50 is average
@@glenndiddy Yep. You're right. But you can't use a normal distribution like that for League ranks. It isn't practical, and it isn't useful.
@@ShadowRaZeV1Specifically what about the 1-25, 26-75, 76-99 distribution makes you find it impractical? What distribution do you think makes more sense?
Can you guys react to league TikTok’s pt2 that episode was cinema
Hey guys, Vincent here, from the mailbag.
Love your input on the situation, I'll absolutely try to change my view on SoloQ. It's absolutely true, I always feel like I have no choice but to carry, beat the laner, protect the jungler and feed the botlane. If one of those conditions aren't filled, I absolutely feel bad. It's for sure reflecting in my gameplay.
So I guess i'll just get back to fundamentals again and practice as a humble platinum player trying to grind to diamond.
I hadn't thought about this aspect of the ranking system balancing itself out, but that absolutely makes sense in my case. It also kind of bring me peace of mind knowing I'm now just plat and have to get better and not thinking about my stuck account.
Thank you, keep up the good work (To be honest, I would have hated league if you guys didn't explain it the way you do in your podcast. Thank you for that.)
Yeah, all you need to do is your job is each game. There's no pressure to carry every game.
Well let's be real, league is basically a more intense version of chess. You have to memorize champs kits, how they interact with all the other champs then also look for pattern recognition in human players to find their mistakes and capitalize over the meta response. Those patterns are what separate avg players and challenger players. Once you get the basics down, macro and mechanics. Patterns make you top tier. Its more intense chess. Not surprising at all that top league players are high iq with chess. Those who rate high in league probably have high problem solving and logical thinking.
I would also imagine those who chase higher ranks are probably also successful off the rift. That drive typically translates to life.
Ya, dude, it is very clear you have never competitively played chess if you're making that comparison.
Yup. Regardless of the poorly done study, pure observation and understanding alone could easily tell you that performing well at a high level in League requires a fuck ton of skills and intelligence. You can play League while being not very intelligent, but that doesn't often translate well to being good at the game or reaching high ranks. The ranks of silver and below basically exist to just gatekeep people who really shouldn't be playing League in the first place in terms of what the game actually requires.
@@Zolti14 I have actually, and it correlates whether you want to admit it or not. But agree to disagree.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 agreed
@@Zolti14 High level chess is extremely hard. High level League is much harder.
i play irelia and gp as ad mid, it takes time to get to a good level withthat 2 but IMO talon is kinda good ad mid. And for the returning player mmr issue, my friend who is diamond 4 on flex and playing a lot of draft vs diamond/master lobbys and winning got gold 4 as solo duo after 3 years of unranked solo duo,before that he was like gold for the skin, but had plat mmr ( placements got him to gold and then left it, because skin was already achieved) and smased a full gold 4-3 lobby with me who is a plat1 right now and last split emerald 2 , so our average mmr is gold 4 I guess.
I THINK ITS TIME TO PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME HEAD TOO BIG
The engagement bait levels to put DotA below LoL go willlllddddd
lol is way more difficult than dota
I love you guys
Duh
I play smodler jungle
ROFL
how delusional and insecure do you have to be to believe this? lmao we've all played this game and we know very well this is not true 🙃
Let's goo
Lmao this is just crap data. Also most league players are subhuman. Go into low elo and watch literally any interaction. Someone will type in chat they are going to int and then run it down 19 times, and then someone else will randomly go 'wait why is mid so fed??'
League players lack any concept of object permanence or continuity.
Or are just understandably not paying attention.
tyrant
They should have also put in a non 1 game andy group. I honestly still don't understand why people would choose to only play 1 game forever
You're correct that the study is terribly performed, analysed, and discussed. But games like League can literally be played every day for your entire life and not get boring. Why would that be a bad thing?
@@ShadowRaZeV1 Because there are so many amazing experiences to be had in the world of gaming, that just limiting yourself to 1 game seems like a damn shame
@@glenndiddy Sure. If that works for a person and is more enjoyable, then go ahead. But people work differently. That shouldn't have to be said.
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Really like all their stuff but hated that they just openly recommended and endorsed smurfing.
if you think smurfing is a bad thing in League, you're likely not very good at the game. Intentionally lowering your mmr or buying low ranked accounts to stay in low elo is obviously not ethical, but buying or creating a smurf account isn't harmful to anyone or anything as long as the mmr system works properly. Riot has talked about how much they have worked on smurf mmr placement for the past year, and it is in a really good spot. Smurfing is and has always been a part of League. That is not going to change, and it shouldn't.
So my friend.
When you create a Smurf. It starts you usually in silver and when you win, it will skyrocket your mmr to get you where you need to be. Most new accounts don’t get put in bronze
@@liamflan9553 ya but still like at the bare minimum you are ruining like 200+ peoples games to get back to the rank you need to be
@@uniqe_apple9763a smurf being in someone’s game doesn’t inherently ruin the game. sometimes people in every rank pop off sometimes, you don’t have to be a smurf. if someone playing well in your game ruins the game for you, I think that’s a you problem
I haven’t finished this episode yet but you guys should be very careful with this subject and research surrounding it. It’s taboo to even discuss IQ, and some of the better research we even have on the subject isn’t fashionable in western politics (*shrugs*). There’s a weird context in which IQ exists where everyone agrees it’s not a perfect proxy for intelligence, but it’s highly predictive and thus often a decent data point to take into consideration. Part of what makes it uncomfortable is the fact that people don’t like how predictive it is, everything that uses IQ as a proxy for something has to dress it up as something else to avoid criticism (good student car insurance discount, interest rates varying based on credit score, etc.). Hopefully you two don’t unknowingly walk into an American Political firestorm.
That is both not how IQ works, and also not how politics work. The study shown in this video is very clearly unusable, and Curtis and Nathan also don't have the required education in stats or psychology to understand it effectively. Talking about IQ is perfectly ok, but talking about IQ poorly is not preferable.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 what are you talking about? I just said they should approach with caution making any content surrounding IQ, I hadn’t even looked at the study yet (hence why I prefaced my comment with saying I hadn’t watched their video fully yet.)
IQ does have predictive power, and it’s not weird that it does.
“Not how politics works” what are you even talking about lmao? It is very normal for hot-button American issues to inspire a “firestorm”, people go insane about this exact kind of stuff online all the time lol.
@@jacobcannon8876 Cool. Useless comment that you made before even watching the video.
Please don't.
@@jacobcannon8876 Car insurance discount for good students is because in theory those good students have are likely more responsible and have more discipline leading to less risk involved. Insurance companies like low risk drivers. Getting good grades does not mean you have a high IQ in any sense. Second, interest rates based on credit score is once again, because companies hate high risk, it has absolutely nothing to do with IQ at all, you know who might have a low credit score? Grigori Perelman. He's a world renowned mathematician who solved one of the millennium prize problems. Plenty of smart people might have a low credit score and it is in no way an indication of high IQ it simply means you're not paying back on time what you're supposed to usually or you don't have a track record of doing so.
Just because "high IQ" people would likely tend to not make poor decisions financially does not mean that they are the reason those things are in place. Companies simply like making money, you not costing them money means they're willing to give you a fake reward. Insurance is still pricey as shit either way and interest rates are still insane either way.
i know the thumbnail prolly isnt serious, but dota is well over league especially considering the brutal floor to learn the game
As a former Dota2 player (Around Divine), I would agree. Dota2 requires taking in many more factors simultaneously than league, however I would say the factors that league does have, you need to know in more depth.
For example, the "ADC" role needs to take into account not only lane farm, but jungle farm and getting the cycles in sync, such that they stack the big camps for extra gold while farming another camp, all while smoke of deceit exists, so you have to be hyper aware where the enemy team are on the map.
So it's kind of like in Dota2 you need to be a good at like 50 things to climb and in League you can get away with being really good at 25
I feel like dota is more complicated from a macro and game knowledge standpoint but league takes a lot more to master mechanically and outplay in terms of mechanics. League plays faster from my experiences. I’ve not played much dota but that’s been my general experience as a league player.
Spoken like a true dota player 😂
@@dumpsterplayer2700 DotA also has an actual onboarding system that hand holds people into learning all of the games mechanics. League doesn't have that. To learn league you actually have to figure the fucking shit out from scratch.