Loved the reaction! Can't wait to see you go through Library, it's a hell of a ride. To quickly note some small things I got wrong (thanks comment section), I pretty much missed completely on how Cogito was made. Enoch still died and Carmen still played Minecraft because of it, but the specifics are some ridiculous esoteric craziness that I still don't fully comprehend even after playing through two whole PM games. Also the "challenge A's" weren't actual other physical people, they were personalities that X basically turned into depending on how deep into the script you got. Last one, but we don't really know how A managed to keep his stuff below the Head's notice. It's not just because he runs a Wing, the Head will easily and completely decimate a Wing if they choose to. Hell, Garion, who eventually became Binah, literally does exactly that SINGLE-HANDEDLY before she goes to fuck up the Outskirts lab.
Funny thing about Ayin is that he's perfectly normal by the city standards. had he not chose to do the seed of light project, dude would probably be just another guy working for a wing.
Just a bit side notes, Old L corp was very stingy and demanded extremely high prices for power to other corps. Not to mention, old L corp also created wasted toxic smoke that covered their entire district when they produce energy, hence the "smoke war" name since it take place in old L corp district. That;s why a LOT of people, including other corps disliked old L corp and more infavor to Lobotomy Corporation.
@@L16htW4rr10r we don't really know her story yet but if she is a veteran as she says and not just a weirdo, likely yea idk why but I headcannon her as a member of the Udjat
Some cool facts you should also know The Seeds of Light (the golden tree branches) are The Golden Boughs Limbus Company is trying to scavenge Kali (Gebura) is the previous Red Coloured fixer which were honorary titles to fixers that were extremely good in their profession. Kali was the Red Mist, the Red colour was succeeded by the Red Gaze: Vergilius. Ayin did nothing wrong :)
Lobotomy Corp HQ also shares the design of the like the Qliphot or Tree of Death from Kabbalah. In that sense, the Lob Corp branches we explore in Limbus also share the double meaning of also being tree branches.
@@NothingThere739 Nah, it is extremely fair to Ayin, he did do all those horrible things and the video makes it clear why. But even tho he did try to do the right thing he himself knew he did a lot of horrible stuff on the way there thus why Abel exist as a manifestation of himself that regrets all of his actions and seems overall really tired. On that sense, even Carmen was a certain type of horrible since she technically decided on leaving herself half dead so Ayin would turn her into the Well since she was the only other compatible test subject after Enoch. So she basically forced the decision on Ayin by doing that right after telling him to continue their research if she were gone. In any case, this game's character are not so black and white that they can be put into one end or the other. Ayin is horrible for what he did, he just didn't do it for the sake of it. The reason why there's so many timeloops is bc his own incarnations in the form of X cannot always take this much cruelty and just continue on with the plan. And it is also implied with the conversations about the Cognition Filter and how it was worse for the previous managers (who are just X (you) from a different timeloop).
Others commented it already, but A was an "ends justifies the means" kind of guy, with the end goal being to help the world, even if it meant tormenting those closest to him as well as himself. Heck, the abno meant to represent him is called "One Sin and Hundreds of Good Deeds". He was dumped with a noble goal, and while Carmen, the one who started it, couldn't go through with it due to what she would have to do and offed herself, he was going to see her goal to the end no matter the cost.
You give Ayin too much flack. He gave up a happy life just to follow the dream of Carmen. Even when she broke and pushed all of her responsibilities on A, he still didn't back down and continued. I admit, there were times where he was blinded by his goal, but it was in the pursuit of a greater good. He sacrificed so much, suffered through thousands of repeats only to realize Carmen's dream of bettering this world. If one is to have a couple of sins would they overshadow the thousands of good deeds?
Tbh, what he did to Angela made me lose all empathy towards him, and a simple sorry at the end of Library of Ruina is not enough to make up for what he did.
he followed an OBSESSION with Carmen not a dream. Also THOUSANDS of good deeds? Yeah no looking at all the dead timelines sacrificed in the process and each death remembered by Angela? You have that the other way around bucky boy
@@Schinak in the ill say this , Carmen HAD a dream that died with her. It maybe a dumb dream in the first place but it was genuine she did not even intend for the suffering of so many to begin with. Ayin simply wanted to continue said dream perhaps its Carmen's death, the massacre of all of his friends or the info he got from Garion's head. Human emotion corrupted said dream turning it into an obsession. Be damned who may suffer towards said dream we have seen the conditions in the backstreets and its raw motivations to break a person. Having a heart in the city requires you to be vulnerable. Angela was a byproduct of said vulnerability. At the end of the day PM does not make thier protagonists heroes but those willing to do anything for the sake of reaching their goal same as Angela same as a certain black fixer same as the sinners aboard Limbus Company.
The fact that he committed even a single sin is a problem when you are pursuing Kabbalistic perfection that Carmen craved. It is something that she herself realized after she murdered Enoch-and why she committed suicide. Ayin’s project failed precisely because of his single sin of neglecting Angela, too, and his seed of light project also turned out to be flawed from the start-because even if it worked perfectly, people would’ve turned into distortions.
Something interesting is that the Sephira don't really mind being revived and turned into claptraps, they also understand that it's all for Carmen's plans. Our lord and savior sir Ayin did some stuff wrong and so will Angela, like father like daughter
Some thing to be noted is that up to the start of the company and the creation of Angela, Ayin truly did nothing wrong.... More or less For example, that part of ripping Carmen's brain and nervous system out of her dying body and putting it in a jar didn't really happened immediately, in truth Ayin tried to save her putting her in stasis, that's why Giovanni though he could help save Carmen, but Ayin knew better, the chance of saving her was practically non existent, not because her body was damaged, but because Carmen herself gave up on life because of the whole human experimentation and sacrifice deal Then happened the "putting in a jar" part, when it was clear Carmen was basically dead Still he proceeded to experiment with Giovanni for 2 reasons, first, because with the death of Enoch nobody was willing to submit themselves to the experiments, si he was a valuable asset, and second and more importantly, he didn't wanted to break the hope Giovanni had, Ayin realized his mistake too late, with Giovanni being in vegetative state And Garion, he makes very clear that probing her brain was not only the only escape they had to continue with the project and/or survive, but also she kinda deserved it, after all she killed almost everyone in the old lab not only because it was her job, but because she is an exemplary sadist whose favorite activity is looking in the eyes at people while their last drop of hope is drained from their body It was when Ayin ripped Carmen's brain and created Angela out of grief that he started with the truly messed up stuff, with the pinnacle of all that being The Script, the most atrocious play ever made in the history of humanity And... Even then.... It was all for the good of everyone, those who already passed and those who would live on... During the last few weeks of the game it is revealed to you that the entire facility you are working on during the infinite 50 day loops is in reality extracted from Ayin's mind with lobotomy corporation's singularity Well, there is one abnormality that you are forced to get at the start of each loop, it's always, ALWAYS the first one, and it's name is in reference to Ayin and the creation of The Script: One Sin And Hundreds of Good Deeds The one sin is lobotomy corporation And the good deeds is the germination and eventual bloom of the seed of light Ayin did all this not for his moral high ground But because of pure love for Carmen, the one true good person of the city that was crushed with the weight of HER OWN one sin, the death of Enoch
In my opinion Ayin is still a shitty person. What he did to Angela is near unforgivable, and the sorry he gave at the end of Library of Ruina is not nearly enough. Also what about the employees of the branch facilities. When the company way getting sealed the employees were basically buried underground with the abnormalities. And from what we got from Yuri’s story it ended with the entire branch facility’s staff dead.
@@leonciopalacpac9269 and yet, can we blame him for being that way? I won't speak for him since it's clear he's not a man in the right state of mind, but so is everyone else in this city. This city actively demands to be cruel, to be heartless and sadistic. You earn a living by killing, you gain benefits by backstabbing people. We can say all we want about choices but how can we truly react if we were in his place? Can we really expect to do things differently in his place? Hell, will we even consider that there is another way in a world full of convenient theories?
@@leonciopalacpac9269 you cannot really play the moral high ground stance when you live in the City where murder, cannibalism and organ-harvesting is a legal normal everyday occurrence. While no one's saying Ayin is good person(he's clinically a psychopath that only stayed as a decent person because of Carmen), he is the only person that can realize the impossible dream of Carmen. In a country of apathetic psychopaths, what makes you think he cares about a moral high ground, or not being a shitty person? He doesn't simply care(he's pretty much a Nest prodigy meant to be directly hired by their local corporation along with Benjamin and Carmen), but only started to because that's what Carmen wanted.
Garion (Binah) is currently the most powerful named character in the entire series aside from one other of the same rank as her. Its not mentioned here but it is revealed in lobotomy that before going to the outskirts to destroy the lab she wiped out an entire city (H Corp) by herself.
The power difference between her and the third strongest person introduced is so vast that it's basically from tank(third strongest) to an actual nuke(well maybe not a nuke more so something close to that but you get the point). The only reason she got defeated was the unexpected factor of EGO weapons held by Kali(Gebura).
she literally destroyed a nest, while we aren't sure how strong she is seeing as to we've never seen her actually go all out, that mere fact alone helps with such speculation
@@gapirchik she literally twerked on L corp while acting like this is a break for her. Kali got a 1 in a million chance. Even in Library of Ruina she is the the strongest Librarian (maybe 2nd strongest depends). You can tell how strong she was because in LoR when her subordinates came in they literally smack the shit out of us with minimal effort. Binah is supposed to be stronger than them when she was alive. There's no way a color is nowhere near her level. Roland could never do what she has done.
On the one hand Lcorp is an experience that I would recommend any project moon fan to try. On the other the game is hard and time consuming, and would require a new player to "reset" multiple to get a "game winning run" (if you get unlucky or don't know what you are doing Early game decisions can affect the whole run)
@@TheSpecialKExperience You should also double check/ask about everything in the video at some time because that whole part of the wings vs the head being too catastrophic of a fight is just completely false (reality bending super soldiers), it’s more as the head giving wings their personal space
There's lots of lore points that was not mentioned. For example, certain reason why Netzach decided to become extraction subject. But since LCorp is really tough game and not every person is able to beat it - i can understand such a decision to go for 20 min recap instead.
It's amazing his the video didn't say it even once but X the character you played as is usually called "manager" By everyone. In the Limbus op there's someone inside some "empathetic light" On their way to "heaven" And then seeing so many people suffering because of them, plunge themself back to "hell" Yes i still believe that Limbus is a story about a couple fight between A and C because someone cannot thrust their own daughter.
I want to disagree with you about A and C in that song because there's still parts of the song that both don't make sense to the back and forth between the two or the story of Limbus yet, but I can see where you're coming from. We can definitely draw some parallels between both of the Mili songs so far and apply them to what A and C represent specifically, but even with as blatant as Between two worlds was, there's still so much of it that's left up in the air specifically because the song also, and more prominently represents Sinclair. I still don't think we're going to see any of Ruina's cast appear in a meaningful way, but if we're going to, we'll definitely get a hint to it by the time chapter 4 ends, seeing as Yi Sang is up next.
@@orangejuice3235 it's a bit meta but, every single Mili's music when used as either op, ed or character songs is quite straight forward, her op or ed song always use the point of view one of the main character, i assume that lament is Dante's. As to why I'm positive that Carmen is already in the story, you can just hear it on Kromer song the dark side.
I want to mention that Giovanni was Carmen’s childhood friend. He was willing to die for her dream of a brighter future for humanity to be realized. After being told by Ayin that being injected will bring her back, his desire to bring back his best friend was strong enough to convince him to undergo the experimentation. Literally hardcore manipulation from Ayin
Still think you should watch the story only compilation of the game as a summery doesn’t really do it justice imo. Just the tone, the subtleties, the characters is best experienced by watching it fully
@@NothingThere739 Nah he treats Ayin fair. Ayin did all this shit not because he wanted to do good shit but just because he loved Carmen so much he was willing to do anything to complete her dream. Angela legit suffered millions of years of the same shit to do something that wasn't going to do any good for anybody instead actually making the world worst. Ayin by far ain't the worse character in this series but this man ain't innocent either. Angela ain't innocent. And Benjamin wasn't innocent either. All this shit that happens not only Lab Corp but also LoR and Limbus Company is mostly because of Ayin.
So for those Who dont know what he mean by not pressing the button at the end of the vid there is a adnomality called "dont touch it" a button that if press it crash the game that is all.
Agreed. The story hits so much harder when you earn it through the pain and suffering of the game itself, and it really puts it all in the right perspective.
pretty much, you need to suffer through the game to actually feel what Ayin/X is feeling while doing the Script... and to also feel what the other characters within the facility also feel(especially core suppressions).
10:25 Wait is that why Gregor said they never really knew what they were fighting for in the Smoke War? Because they were being sneaky about the real reasons for the war? Always thought the goal of "they said we needed more pollution, so they told us to fight L Corp and its allies" was a bit suspicious ngl.
Basically the old L corp(not lobotomy corp) was charging waaaay too much for their enegy and was generally not liked by any of the other wings, but they couldn't do anything about it since a war between the wings would be catastrophical. The smoke war started because the other wings witnessed the negative effects of the smoke( it was inducing all kinds of bad stuff on your body) and decided to make that the reason for terminating L corp(the real reason was L corp being too stingy about their prices). So basically ayin told everyone "hey, the smoke is bad for you so we should terminate this corp". The other wings agreed with this reason and ayin wanted to get this facility for his project so they started the war.
For Library of Ruina, I would recommend getting the No Grind Mod which would be pretty friendly for Streamers who want to experience the game and story without having to grind. That is unless you are willing to replay and grind previous level over and over again to get enough drop to just play and beat the immediate next level till you hit another wall. It may not be as sufferingly hard as Lobotomy, but it’s still just as tedious. Edit: Actually, you can probably try without the mod for the first few part, and than use it once the grind does get tedious. That should be better.
In the project moon universe you should just expect people to die unless its the main cast because they got super plot armor (EX: Dante for the sinners)
@@Zack_Zander In all the games we are bad guys lol. Well it's actually not that easy to say because there's not really any good guys in these stories just different perspectives.
People screwed you over telling you not to play Lobotomy Corp!!!! Its easily my favorite gameplay wise in the series and its so much fun! Please do yourself a favor and dont skip it, even if you only play a few in game days its so worth it.
I know that a lot of people will try to correct you now since it is a summary and while the information he gave is sufficient, experiencing the story however is different. Since you know all the basics now like "The White Nights and Dark Days", everything that happened and the people in Lobotomy Corporation, who Carmen and A is, who is the Head, the City, Abnormalities, Cogito and everything else. I think it is safe to not read any comments now since you might get spoiled when you play Library of Ruina. Don't worry, if you are confused about the world or a lot of people are calling you out for speculating wrong ideas that you got from watching the summary. All of the confusion and worries will be answered when you play Library of Ruina since that game also ties a lot of loose ends from Lobotomy Corporation and further expanding that. tl;dr now that you know the basics, make sure to not get yourself spoiled and just go straight ahead Library of Ruina
Funny, in my playthroughs i struggled more with Ruina than Lobotomy Corp, since i set myself to not play without looking stuff up, so naturally it became harder to be better at a deck building game with abilities and additional gimmicks, rather than just managing abnormalities.
here I am still trying to grind books in ruina and saw this cant wait to see you play the game, Its a fun game when you always win clashes. and also I cant wait for your reaction at the urban plague part xDDDDD
To be honest, I played all the Project Moon games, and while Library remains my favourite, Lobotomy Corporation gave me an experience that I wouldn't exchange. The game has an atmosphere that is very unique compared to Library and Limbus, and it's the only one like that. I consider it a shame to pass up on it without trying it, expecially because for a management game it's a really proactive one, but I do understand where people come from when they call it tedious, though I think that you could just use some mods to help yourself on that (For example, there's a mod that makes the time multiplier go faster, so the game flows more quickly, or there is some that help balance some abnormalities, like the train's one). If it was me I'd still advice you to try the game, the first days take a really small amount of time, and if it's not your thing, noone forces you to keep playing it
Rather than letting chat dissuade you from playing. Why not do a trial run to see if you like it. It is a bit stressful because of having to do resets which makes you look like a mad man for doing the same thing over and over again but the satisfaction of getting through a day with all your nuggets alive and well and even being promoted due to optimal playing makes the stress worth it for me. See if you like it first
Yeah I feel like Ayin is very misrepresented in the video although he did do some bad stuff. I'd say that if not for what he did with Angela I'd perceive him as more of a good character rather than gray at most.
This was rather interesting to watch. I love the SCP vibes from this. Although, I have a feeling this is connected to Limbus Company? If it is even slightly, then I'll go watch your play through of Limbus Company (I mean I was anyways but this would be an extra reason to do so)
Lobotomy Corp is the first game in the current trilogy of games made by PM. (Library of Ruina and Limbus Company are the other 2). They also have Wonderlab (comic), Distortion Detective(novel) and Leviathan(Manga/Novel) set in the same universe!
Lobotomy Corporation's playthrough always begins with the Abno "One Sin and a hundred of good deeds." representing Jesus' one sin of doubt. When you arrive to your final battle with Adam you are asked a question. "How many deeds is a sin worth?" "How much good do you have to do so the suffering you have caused to get there can be forgiven?" Please tell us what you think the answer is
I've just gotta say here... Ayin is portrayed in a pretty bad light here. Ayin did nothing wrong. Ayin did some fucked up things, sure, but he's taken the ultimate sacrifice to fully save humanity from themselves. Had angela not been a little bitch that is...
I'd recommend at least trying the game once or at least watching some gameplay bc it is amusing to see and experience regardless of the annoying setbacks it does have
Something funny and spoilers: . . . . . . You acctually can play Library of Ruina without any information about Lobotomy Corp., you just gonna think Angela is a poor Android who lived her life in misery, instead a cold heart android who annoyingly makes thing worse for the crew. Binah, an intriguing woman who like to talk in charades, instead a murderous bi*ch who killed all your friends and family and have to be punished. Hokma, and old man who probably worship his colleague Ayin. Instead, a simp.😂
Loved the reaction! Can't wait to see you go through Library, it's a hell of a ride.
To quickly note some small things I got wrong (thanks comment section), I pretty much missed completely on how Cogito was made. Enoch still died and Carmen still played Minecraft because of it, but the specifics are some ridiculous esoteric craziness that I still don't fully comprehend even after playing through two whole PM games.
Also the "challenge A's" weren't actual other physical people, they were personalities that X basically turned into depending on how deep into the script you got.
Last one, but we don't really know how A managed to keep his stuff below the Head's notice. It's not just because he runs a Wing, the Head will easily and completely decimate a Wing if they choose to. Hell, Garion, who eventually became Binah, literally does exactly that SINGLE-HANDEDLY before she goes to fuck up the Outskirts lab.
Thanks for the info and great job on the video btw! Will check out some of your other vids forsure!
Garion also had a couple of Claws with her I'm pretty sure.
"So you want to take over a Wing to start your plan. Which one are you taking?"
A: I'll take the L.
Thus, the fate of the world is sealed.
Funny thing about Ayin is that he's perfectly normal by the city standards. had he not chose to do the seed of light project, dude would probably be just another guy working for a wing.
He would have been filthy rich, being the head of L Corp and having huge amounts of shares in T Corp.
@@NothingThere739 Well even connection to R corp, W corp and K corp too. That is like a lot of corps to be connected to huh?
Nothing is fair in this city
Ayin and Benjamin both have some utterly insane connections, I mean Benjamin together with Dias instigated the smoke war... Which is pretty insane.
Stressful? Skill issue. It's a fun challenge. Difficulty is vertical. Every mistake is a 'happy accident'. :Coping in 250 hours:
Just a bit side notes, Old L corp was very stingy and demanded extremely high prices for power to other corps. Not to mention, old L corp also created wasted toxic smoke that covered their entire district when they produce energy, hence the "smoke war" name since it take place in old L corp district. That;s why a LOT of people, including other corps disliked old L corp and more infavor to Lobotomy Corporation.
Btw, The Smoke War that A started to take L corp's place is the one that Gregor was fighting in.
Also Outis maybe?
@@L16htW4rr10r we don't really know her story yet but if she is a veteran as she says and not just a weirdo, likely yea
idk why but I headcannon her as a member of the Udjat
Some cool facts you should also know
The Seeds of Light (the golden tree branches) are The Golden Boughs Limbus Company is trying to scavenge
Kali (Gebura) is the previous Red Coloured fixer which were honorary titles to fixers that were extremely good in their profession. Kali was the Red Mist, the Red colour was succeeded by the Red Gaze: Vergilius.
Ayin did nothing wrong :)
OHHHHHH that first part about the golden boughs just hit me like a truck lmao
Ayin did everything wrong
Lobotomy Corp HQ also shares the design of the like the Qliphot or Tree of Death from Kabbalah. In that sense, the Lob Corp branches we explore in Limbus also share the double meaning of also being tree branches.
@@Schinak This vid is incredibly unfair to Ayin so take what it says with a grain of salt.
@@NothingThere739 Nah, it is extremely fair to Ayin, he did do all those horrible things and the video makes it clear why.
But even tho he did try to do the right thing he himself knew he did a lot of horrible stuff on the way there thus why Abel exist as a manifestation of himself that regrets all of his actions and seems overall really tired.
On that sense, even Carmen was a certain type of horrible since she technically decided on leaving herself half dead so Ayin would turn her into the Well since she was the only other compatible test subject after Enoch. So she basically forced the decision on Ayin by doing that right after telling him to continue their research if she were gone.
In any case, this game's character are not so black and white that they can be put into one end or the other. Ayin is horrible for what he did, he just didn't do it for the sake of it. The reason why there's so many timeloops is bc his own incarnations in the form of X cannot always take this much cruelty and just continue on with the plan. And it is also implied with the conversations about the Cognition Filter and how it was worse for the previous managers (who are just X (you) from a different timeloop).
Others commented it already, but A was an "ends justifies the means" kind of guy, with the end goal being to help the world, even if it meant tormenting those closest to him as well as himself. Heck, the abno meant to represent him is called "One Sin and Hundreds of Good Deeds". He was dumped with a noble goal, and while Carmen, the one who started it, couldn't go through with it due to what she would have to do and offed herself, he was going to see her goal to the end no matter the cost.
You give Ayin too much flack. He gave up a happy life just to follow the dream of Carmen. Even when she broke and pushed all of her responsibilities on A, he still didn't back down and continued. I admit, there were times where he was blinded by his goal, but it was in the pursuit of a greater good. He sacrificed so much, suffered through thousands of repeats only to realize Carmen's dream of bettering this world.
If one is to have a couple of sins would they overshadow the thousands of good deeds?
so....one sin and hundreds of good deeds perhaps?
Tbh, what he did to Angela made me lose all empathy towards him, and a simple sorry at the end of Library of Ruina is not enough to make up for what he did.
he followed an OBSESSION with Carmen not a dream. Also THOUSANDS of good deeds? Yeah no looking at all the dead timelines sacrificed in the process and each death remembered by Angela? You have that the other way around bucky boy
@@Schinak in the ill say this , Carmen HAD a dream that died with her. It maybe a dumb dream in the first place but it was genuine she did not even intend for the suffering of so many to begin with. Ayin simply wanted to continue said dream perhaps its Carmen's death, the massacre of all of his friends or the info he got from Garion's head. Human emotion corrupted said dream turning it into an obsession. Be damned who may suffer towards said dream we have seen the conditions in the backstreets and its raw motivations to break a person. Having a heart in the city requires you to be vulnerable. Angela was a byproduct of said vulnerability. At the end of the day PM does not make thier protagonists heroes but those willing to do anything for the sake of reaching their goal same as Angela same as a certain black fixer same as the sinners aboard Limbus Company.
The fact that he committed even a single sin is a problem when you are pursuing Kabbalistic perfection that Carmen craved. It is something that she herself realized after she murdered Enoch-and why she committed suicide. Ayin’s project failed precisely because of his single sin of neglecting Angela, too, and his seed of light project also turned out to be flawed from the start-because even if it worked perfectly, people would’ve turned into distortions.
Something interesting is that the Sephira don't really mind being revived and turned into claptraps, they also understand that it's all for Carmen's plans.
Our lord and savior sir Ayin did some stuff wrong and so will Angela, like father like daughter
Some thing to be noted is that up to the start of the company and the creation of Angela, Ayin truly did nothing wrong.... More or less
For example, that part of ripping Carmen's brain and nervous system out of her dying body and putting it in a jar didn't really happened immediately, in truth Ayin tried to save her putting her in stasis, that's why Giovanni though he could help save Carmen, but Ayin knew better, the chance of saving her was practically non existent, not because her body was damaged, but because Carmen herself gave up on life because of the whole human experimentation and sacrifice deal
Then happened the "putting in a jar" part, when it was clear Carmen was basically dead
Still he proceeded to experiment with Giovanni for 2 reasons, first, because with the death of Enoch nobody was willing to submit themselves to the experiments, si he was a valuable asset, and second and more importantly, he didn't wanted to break the hope Giovanni had, Ayin realized his mistake too late, with Giovanni being in vegetative state
And Garion, he makes very clear that probing her brain was not only the only escape they had to continue with the project and/or survive, but also she kinda deserved it, after all she killed almost everyone in the old lab not only because it was her job, but because she is an exemplary sadist whose favorite activity is looking in the eyes at people while their last drop of hope is drained from their body
It was when Ayin ripped Carmen's brain and created Angela out of grief that he started with the truly messed up stuff, with the pinnacle of all that being The Script, the most atrocious play ever made in the history of humanity
And... Even then.... It was all for the good of everyone, those who already passed and those who would live on...
During the last few weeks of the game it is revealed to you that the entire facility you are working on during the infinite 50 day loops is in reality extracted from Ayin's mind with lobotomy corporation's singularity
Well, there is one abnormality that you are forced to get at the start of each loop, it's always, ALWAYS the first one, and it's name is in reference to Ayin and the creation of The Script:
One Sin And Hundreds of Good Deeds
The one sin is lobotomy corporation
And the good deeds is the germination and eventual bloom of the seed of light
Ayin did all this not for his moral high ground
But because of pure love for Carmen, the one true good person of the city that was crushed with the weight of HER OWN one sin, the death of Enoch
In my opinion Ayin is still a shitty person. What he did to Angela is near unforgivable, and the sorry he gave at the end of Library of Ruina is not nearly enough. Also what about the employees of the branch facilities. When the company way getting sealed the employees were basically buried underground with the abnormalities. And from what we got from Yuri’s story it ended with the entire branch facility’s staff dead.
@@LTDLetsPlays perhaps, but even so it still a shitty move to do. It’s basically condemning the entire staff of the branch facilities to death.
@@leonciopalacpac9269 and yet, can we blame him for being that way? I won't speak for him since it's clear he's not a man in the right state of mind, but so is everyone else in this city. This city actively demands to be cruel, to be heartless and sadistic. You earn a living by killing, you gain benefits by backstabbing people.
We can say all we want about choices but how can we truly react if we were in his place? Can we really expect to do things differently in his place? Hell, will we even consider that there is another way in a world full of convenient theories?
@@leonciopalacpac9269 you cannot really play the moral high ground stance when you live in the City where murder, cannibalism and organ-harvesting is a legal normal everyday occurrence. While no one's saying Ayin is good person(he's clinically a psychopath that only stayed as a decent person because of Carmen), he is the only person that can realize the impossible dream of Carmen. In a country of apathetic psychopaths, what makes you think he cares about a moral high ground, or not being a shitty person? He doesn't simply care(he's pretty much a Nest prodigy meant to be directly hired by their local corporation along with Benjamin and Carmen), but only started to because that's what Carmen wanted.
Garion (Binah) is currently the most powerful named character in the entire series aside from one other of the same rank as her. Its not mentioned here but it is revealed in lobotomy that before going to the outskirts to destroy the lab she wiped out an entire city (H Corp) by herself.
The power difference between her and the third strongest person introduced is so vast that it's basically from tank(third strongest) to an actual nuke(well maybe not a nuke more so something close to that but you get the point). The only reason she got defeated was the unexpected factor of EGO weapons held by Kali(Gebura).
@@lalulica I think you're quite exaggerating Garion's powers. She is the strongest, but not so far from Colors.
she literally destroyed a nest, while we aren't sure how strong she is seeing as to we've never seen her actually go all out, that mere fact alone helps with such speculation
@@gapirchik she literally twerked on L corp while acting like this is a break for her. Kali got a 1 in a million chance. Even in Library of Ruina she is the the strongest Librarian (maybe 2nd strongest depends). You can tell how strong she was because in LoR when her subordinates came in they literally smack the shit out of us with minimal effort. Binah is supposed to be stronger than them when she was alive. There's no way a color is nowhere near her level. Roland could never do what she has done.
@@lalulica destroying a nest is comparable to roland's rampage but she's still way stronger
On the one hand Lcorp is an experience that I would recommend any project moon fan to try. On the other the game is hard and time consuming, and would require a new player to "reset" multiple to get a "game winning run" (if you get unlucky or don't know what you are doing Early game decisions can affect the whole run)
yeah it seems like it can get HELLA tedious
@@TheSpecialKExperience You should also double check/ask about everything in the video at some time because that whole part of the wings vs the head being too catastrophic of a fight is just completely false (reality bending super soldiers), it’s more as the head giving wings their personal space
Just in case you didnt notice the Smoke War was the war Gregor took part in so yeah Benjamin was responsible in that
There's lots of lore points that was not mentioned. For example, certain reason why Netzach decided to become extraction subject.
But since LCorp is really tough game and not every person is able to beat it - i can understand such a decision to go for 20 min recap instead.
It's amazing his the video didn't say it even once but X the character you played as is usually called "manager" By everyone.
In the Limbus op there's someone inside some "empathetic light" On their way to "heaven" And then seeing so many people suffering because of them, plunge themself back to "hell"
Yes i still believe that Limbus is a story about a couple fight between A and C because someone cannot thrust their own daughter.
I want to disagree with you about A and C in that song because there's still parts of the song that both don't make sense to the back and forth between the two or the story of Limbus yet, but I can see where you're coming from.
We can definitely draw some parallels between both of the Mili songs so far and apply them to what A and C represent specifically, but even with as blatant as Between two worlds was, there's still so much of it that's left up in the air specifically because the song also, and more prominently represents Sinclair.
I still don't think we're going to see any of Ruina's cast appear in a meaningful way, but if we're going to, we'll definitely get a hint to it by the time chapter 4 ends, seeing as Yi Sang is up next.
@@orangejuice3235 it's a bit meta but, every single Mili's music when used as either op, ed or character songs is quite straight forward, her op or ed song always use the point of view one of the main character, i assume that lament is Dante's.
As to why I'm positive that Carmen is already in the story, you can just hear it on Kromer song the dark side.
Carmen is def "alive" to some extent and influencing people to some sort of goal. Argalia was the first one.
@@trash_girlfriend Distortions... That's all I need to say
I want to mention that Giovanni was Carmen’s childhood friend. He was willing to die for her dream of a brighter future for humanity to be realized. After being told by Ayin that being injected will bring her back, his desire to bring back his best friend was strong enough to convince him to undergo the experimentation. Literally hardcore manipulation from Ayin
Still think you should watch the story only compilation of the game as a summery doesn’t really do it justice imo. Just the tone, the subtleties, the characters is best experienced by watching it fully
@@LTDLetsPlays Yeah this guy treats Ayin incredibly unfairly compared to other characters.
@@NothingThere739 Nah he treats Ayin fair. Ayin did all this shit not because he wanted to do good shit but just because he loved Carmen so much he was willing to do anything to complete her dream. Angela legit suffered millions of years of the same shit to do something that wasn't going to do any good for anybody instead actually making the world worst. Ayin by far ain't the worse character in this series but this man ain't innocent either. Angela ain't innocent. And Benjamin wasn't innocent either. All this shit that happens not only Lab Corp but also LoR and Limbus Company is mostly because of Ayin.
Well in my opinion, the end in the game isn’t that hard, but you need to choose safest abnormalities, which is require additional time
So for those Who dont know what he mean by not pressing the button at the end of the vid there is a adnomality called "dont touch it" a button that if press it crash the game that is all.
ohhh I see lmao
Touch
To the people who said you shouldn't play it.
They robbed you of a beautiful experience.
Agreed. The story hits so much harder when you earn it through the pain and suffering of the game itself, and it really puts it all in the right perspective.
pretty much, you need to suffer through the game to actually feel what Ayin/X is feeling while doing the Script... and to also feel what the other characters within the facility also feel(especially core suppressions).
A is not a bad person but not good also.
He cares about result than process
@@LTDLetsPlays yes, poor him and Sephirah (except Binah)
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Wait is that why Gregor said they never really knew what they were fighting for in the Smoke War? Because they were being sneaky about the real reasons for the war?
Always thought the goal of "they said we needed more pollution, so they told us to fight L Corp and its allies" was a bit suspicious ngl.
Basically the old L corp(not lobotomy corp) was charging waaaay too much for their enegy and was generally not liked by any of the other wings, but they couldn't do anything about it since a war between the wings would be catastrophical. The smoke war started because the other wings witnessed the negative effects of the smoke( it was inducing all kinds of bad stuff on your body) and decided to make that the reason for terminating L corp(the real reason was L corp being too stingy about their prices). So basically ayin told everyone "hey, the smoke is bad for you so we should terminate this corp". The other wings agreed with this reason and ayin wanted to get this facility for his project so they started the war.
For Library of Ruina, I would recommend getting the No Grind Mod which would be pretty friendly for Streamers who want to experience the game and story without having to grind.
That is unless you are willing to replay and grind previous level over and over again to get enough drop to just play and beat the immediate next level till you hit another wall.
It may not be as sufferingly hard as Lobotomy, but it’s still just as tedious.
Edit:
Actually, you can probably try without the mod for the first few part, and than use it once the grind does get tedious.
That should be better.
The Smoke War that is mentioned is also the war in which Gregor was forced to fight in.
In the project moon universe you should just expect people to die unless its the main cast because they got super plot armor (EX: Dante for the sinners)
yeah I have to remember not to get too attached or I'll feel despair lol
23:04 you mean Angela's core supression?
A did nothing wrong.
I agree, Angela did nothing wrong
@@LTDLetsPlays at least we got limbus because all of that lol
The head did nothing wrong
In some game, you start to question if you’re the baddies…
In this? Don’t even need to question it.
@@Zack_Zander In all the games we are bad guys lol. Well it's actually not that easy to say because there's not really any good guys in these stories just different perspectives.
wordsmith is so clutch I've watched his project moon lore videos and they're so well made
Personally I'd take some things on this vid with a grain of salt. Some things are notably out of context for comedic purposes.
noted
@@TheSpecialKExperience Yeah the vid sort of sets up A as more of a deliberate asshole than he actually is.
People screwed you over telling you not to play Lobotomy Corp!!!! Its easily my favorite gameplay wise in the series and its so much fun! Please do yourself a favor and dont skip it, even if you only play a few in game days its so worth it.
My first time learning about the Lobotomy Corp story also! 😮
This video is not very accurate so take it with a grain of salt.
watch 5 hour cutscreen of lobcorp lore if you dont plan to play instead of getting spoonfeed complete dogshit satire by a secondary
I know that a lot of people will try to correct you now since it is a summary and while the information he gave is sufficient, experiencing the story however is different. Since you know all the basics now like "The White Nights and Dark Days", everything that happened and the people in Lobotomy Corporation, who Carmen and A is, who is the Head, the City, Abnormalities, Cogito and everything else. I think it is safe to not read any comments now since you might get spoiled when you play Library of Ruina. Don't worry, if you are confused about the world or a lot of people are calling you out for speculating wrong ideas that you got from watching the summary. All of the confusion and worries will be answered when you play Library of Ruina since that game also ties a lot of loose ends from Lobotomy Corporation and further expanding that.
tl;dr now that you know the basics, make sure to not get yourself spoiled and just go straight ahead Library of Ruina
Yo, K if ya notice how lunacy is like a rose with leaves but its... a brain stem with the spinal nerves.... soo yeah fun fun fun.
definitely play Library of Ruina its 🔥
Funny, in my playthroughs i struggled more with Ruina than Lobotomy Corp, since i set myself to not play without looking stuff up, so naturally it became harder to be better at a deck building game with abilities and additional gimmicks, rather than just managing abnormalities.
I would love to see you play Library Of Ruina
I will soon enough!
@@TheSpecialKExperience Oooo nice!
here I am still trying to grind books in ruina and saw this
cant wait to see you play the game, Its a fun game when you always win clashes.
and also I cant wait for your reaction at the urban plague part xDDDDD
Im excited to check it out!
To be honest, I played all the Project Moon games, and while Library remains my favourite, Lobotomy Corporation gave me an experience that I wouldn't exchange. The game has an atmosphere that is very unique compared to Library and Limbus, and it's the only one like that.
I consider it a shame to pass up on it without trying it, expecially because for a management game it's a really proactive one, but I do understand where people come from when they call it tedious, though I think that you could just use some mods to help yourself on that (For example, there's a mod that makes the time multiplier go faster, so the game flows more quickly, or there is some that help balance some abnormalities, like the train's one).
If it was me I'd still advice you to try the game, the first days take a really small amount of time, and if it's not your thing, noone forces you to keep playing it
Rather than letting chat dissuade you from playing. Why not do a trial run to see if you like it. It is a bit stressful because of having to do resets which makes you look like a mad man for doing the same thing over and over again but the satisfaction of getting through a day with all your nuggets alive and well and even being promoted due to optimal playing makes the stress worth it for me. See if you like it first
Yeah I feel like Ayin is very misrepresented in the video although he did do some bad stuff. I'd say that if not for what he did with Angela I'd perceive him as more of a good character rather than gray at most.
I'd wish I'd never played lobco if only it weren't for the lore
This was rather interesting to watch. I love the SCP vibes from this. Although, I have a feeling this is connected to Limbus Company? If it is even slightly, then I'll go watch your play through of Limbus Company (I mean I was anyways but this would be an extra reason to do so)
Lobotomy Corp is the first game in the current trilogy of games made by PM. (Library of Ruina and Limbus Company are the other 2). They also have Wonderlab (comic), Distortion Detective(novel) and Leviathan(Manga/Novel) set in the same universe!
Lobotomy Corporation's playthrough always begins with the Abno "One Sin and a hundred of good deeds." representing Jesus' one sin of doubt.
When you arrive to your final battle with Adam you are asked a question. "How many deeds is a sin worth?" "How much good do you have to do so the suffering you have caused to get there can be forgiven?"
Please tell us what you think the answer is
I've just gotta say here... Ayin is portrayed in a pretty bad light here. Ayin did nothing wrong. Ayin did some fucked up things, sure, but he's taken the ultimate sacrifice to fully save humanity from themselves. Had angela not been a little bitch that is...
cannibalism is a common thing because people are delicious.
A did nothing wrong
And fear
I'd recommend at least trying the game once or at least watching some gameplay bc it is amusing to see and experience regardless of the annoying setbacks it does have
One step closer to become depressed, mind messed up PM fan. Dw this's this, that's that
only things left are actually playing all PM games and go distort after :D
Something funny and spoilers:
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You acctually can play Library of Ruina without any information about Lobotomy Corp., you just gonna think Angela is a poor Android who lived her life in misery, instead a cold heart android who annoyingly makes thing worse for the crew.
Binah, an intriguing woman who like to talk in charades, instead a murderous bi*ch who killed all your friends and family and have to be punished.
Hokma, and old man who probably worship his colleague Ayin. Instead, a simp.😂
Nice
The video you reacted to is mostly memes and jokes, so it is not totally acurate lore
Take it with a grain of salt
Library of ruina is 100 worth yout time, lobcorb.... Ehh?? If you like pain, suffering, reset and memoey leak, then sure
First time?
:)
Angela did nothing wrong, not Ayin.
Average LC skipper moment.
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