Perth metronet is success story for sunbelt cities , Perth rail was close to extinction in the late 70’s and early 80’s , so Perth’s rapid rail expansion over the last few decades has been amazing considering how governments like to drag these projects out .
Liberal governments destroy public transport, and Labor governments are elected to fix up the messes-Freo line, electrification, Yanchep to Mandurah lines, Metronet network inc two no-surcharge airport stations, plus bringing back WA manufactured rolling stock at the new railway workshops with many of important trade apprenticeships. Visionary, and sustainable transport. Great video article - 10/10.
Yep Perth's train system was seriously neglected by the 1980's and it indeed was on the brink of extinction. In 1979 the conservative state government closed the Fremantle line. It was reopened in 1983 after a change of government, 100,000 people signed a petition for it to be re-opened and that generated a push, first to invest in the existing system by electrifying it and purchasing modern rolling stock and then building new lines to service the city. Compared to the 1990's Perth's public transport, both trains and buses, are lightyears ahead in quality now. It's a good example of how to design public transport in low density, sprawling cities - Perth is a shining example of what can be achieved in similar cities elsewhere in Australia and North America in particular.
I totally agree with you in regards to Perths Urban sprawl. It's 2.7 million inhabitants are spread over 150 kms, making it the worlds longest City. Perth has always had a great rail network and continues to meet the increasing demands of growth that a growing City requires. Have been a regular user of the rail system for over 50 years and I want to thank you for your summary of all the upcoming upgrades .
People who are familiar with old Perth rail lines may know that the industrial line from Thornley through Bibra Lake to Fremantle use to be a passenger line as well, old ghost stations still exist or did within the last decade, some in freo and south freo still exist in a purely historical sense.
The dual lines are still there, they are only used by freight trains. They should be electrified and complete the loop through to Fremantle taking in the stations alo used for the America's Cup in the 80's. I submitted this plan to Minister Saffiotti in 2015. One day maybe.
Bloody interesting to see my home towns rail network upgraded and improved. Great video, Perth needs more trains because it seems to be spreading faster than the road network 🤮 can cope with.
I’m from Perth but now live just outside Melbourne. I enjoyed seeing glimpses of my former home and hearing those oh so familiar names and places and seeing locations I lived in and rail crossings I regularly drove over, through and under…terrific, but I also have a very big soft spot for my adopted city with its own major rail works going on too. Thank you for the vlog…Well done.
Love the use of NIMBY Rails footage in the video mate. Information is also nice and concise and was a great listen to overall. I would recommend investing in a pop filter, but apart from that minor issue, another great video as always, mate!
God I love metronet. Got recommended this vid today, it's great! You have a really good way of breaking this stuff down and making it really digestible in ways I can't process reading all the individual releases and updates from the gov/transperth. The airport link opens next month (fingers crossed), and I'm very excited! Can't wait to watch more of your stuff.
Thanks for video. Perth has high satisfaction with its train and bus network. The bus network in Perth is particularly well organised and reliable. Its been good that Perth has expanded rail, meaning that they now have a comprehensive and efficient bus and rail system. I'd be interested in people's views on trackless trams or a review of the concept. Planned for Glendalough to Scarborough and other locations. One thing about the video. It talks about connecting lines to the north (e.g. east Wanneroo) and Reid Hwy to Carine. This is many years away I believe, if at all. 10 years ago there was a strong push for light rail north on Alexander Dr from Perth to Balga and beyond. Furthermore, between Curtin and UWA through city. Sadly a lack of funding availability stopped it and now light rail has been delayed indefinitely (with trackless trams being explored). Sadly the first metre of light rail track seems to be the hardest to lay.
Fantastic presentation! I’m 7mins walk to Bayswater station! I’m very excited to soon make use of the airport line for getting to and from airport for $2-3. Totally agree on the sprawl of the line up to Yanchep. I hope they start prioritising the ring lines soon and the connect between the Forrestfield station and Thornlie. Thanks for the presentation and as always, I look forward to catching a train or tram next time I’m in Melbourne!🤗
The govt really needs to work the Bayswater precinct with high density living and a lot more office space. Unfortunately, there isn't a major shopping centre in precinct. With the airport link and the Ellenbrook line it is really promoting centralisation into Perth CBD. Something they should be trying to avoid. Ideally Ellenbrook needed to go via Morley through tunnels and that would have broadened the Morley as a significant hub instead of just a major hub. Shuttle buses from Broun Ave overpass to Morley doesn't really work. The most important thing they need to consider is north through to Gnangara and East Wanneroo area. This will involve major tunnelling as the land isn't available. Possibility of a spur through Reid Hwy at Balcatta. Or via Malaga on the Ellenbrook line. But that could be 20 years away. But that section north is essential or you'll get Wanneroo Rd Alexander Dr turning into a carpark.
@@BDub2024 the zoning has 18story height limit in one area, so that is definitely on the cards. I think it becoming a major shopping precinct is unlikely though. Restaurants, maybe a bar and general service shops are what most people in Bayswater seem to want. There are two community groups in Bayswater. One wants development and the other is “not on my back yard” I’m optimistic we will find the right balance.
@@kitatit Its just unfortunate with it going through Bayswater for both new lines. We need to strengthen our urban centres like Morley and Midland and provide jobs opportunities so people can take transport to jobs relevatively nearby. Otherwise, it will just promote more car use and people travelling 25km per day to get to work. It would a concern to have high density apartment living in Bayswater. It needs to be of good standard or it will lead to the sort of problems that Mayland have had previously or Lockridge with high density public housing. There needs to be incentives for office space if feasible in particular. Easier said than done. But you need a lot more workers within 1km of the Bayswater station. Same applies with Maylands too. Unfortunately, that's basically small shops and coffee bar too.
Fantastic video! Informative and concise. Great to see which transit projects are being planned, designed and constructed in Perth over the next few years. 👍
Excellent video explaining the different projects involved in MetroNET..well done...I did have a chuckle at the ‘if you’re still here’ bit at the end😂I look forward to my next trip to Perth once the borders reopen..
As a Yanchep/two rocks local, the train line is needed.. the sooner the better just driving 30mins to butler is bad enough And very excited to ride on the new railcard and train lines when they’re finished!! We can finally replace the a series and the Australind (sooner the better because gets out of service every one/two months)
What you said about Perth needing to densify is spot on mate - we know better but economic and social pressures are maintaining existing incentives for the state government and local councils to continue feeding the sprawling mess that is the outer suburbs. That combined with further incentives for the residents of inner suburban areas to resist any attempts to increase density in their areas makes for the situation we have now 🥺 I continue to hope for better policies but there's a lot of work to be done to shift the public consciousness into a place where more people understand that expanding the train network to accommodate further sprawl is the opposite of what we should be doing
Regarding the distance to Mandurah - Mandurah was/is an existing large population area and important satellite city. The Urban sprawl hasn't resulted in Mandurah's existence, but has closed the gap between Perth and Mandurah. The rail line there gets 1000s of people onto trains and out of cars everyday, as many people live in one and work in the other.
Easily the most informative and comprehensive overall explanation of Metronet for this Perth resident, because it avoids the confusion of the "too much information" out there. Thanks. FYI, Gnangara (6:26) is pronounced nanGArra, and "available" (0:37, etc., etc.) is spelt, er... available! (IE: not avaLIable.) Cheers.
Regarding the possible quadruplication of the line from Bayswater to Perth, this was firmly knocked back early on in the project. The belief is that the upgraded signalling system would provide enough scope to permit the 4 trains an hour to each of Midland, High Wycombe and Ellenbrook, increasing to 6 to 8 trains an hour in peak periods. As for the new level crossing in Midland, when I queried this with the Metronet office, this is the response I got: Thanks for your email on the Midland Station project. Cale Street was chosen for the new crossing as previous State and local planning for the Midland town centre has identified Cale Street as a key connector road for the area, and the proposed level crossing will support connectivity across the rail corridor in the Midland town centre. Grade separations were considered but are challenging due to the area’s built up nature, land constraints and the need to cross both passenger and freight rail. Work assessing grade separation options around Midland are ongoing as part of the Public Transport Authority’s long term master plan to remove all level crossings on the passenger network. So they are possibly looking at its replacement in the future anyway! This is despite the fact that the existing Lloyd Street underpass is about 400 metres north east of the station.
The answer you received clearly indicates they KNOW MORE THAN YOU - both from a technical and a financial perspective. Do you have the same level of expertise and knowledge to say otherwise?
Good video I agree with the points about increasing density. The main problem with the rail system is that it's a spoke system, and you, therefore, have to go through the city to get anywhere by train. Thornlie-Cockburn will be a great starter, getting some cross-line connections started is great. Hopefully, in a couple decades, the north and south circle lines will exist, and the system will be greatly improved. An example of the benefits would be the northern suburbs being able to properly use the airport line, it being difficult if you're not very close to the Joondalup line, going to the airport with luggage that is. Wow, that got long.
Residents of the eastern and north eastern suburbs will find the airport link most useful as the Ellenbrook Line will 'terminate' at the new Bayswater Station shortly after it diverges from the Tonkin Highway median strip, and meets with the Midland Line. Nobody is sure of the stopping patterns yet but one would presume it would be a natural interchange for the Airport Link which leaves the Midland line at Bayswater Junction just east of Bayswater Station. Armadale and Thornlie/ Cockburn (Mandurah) passengers could change at Claisebrook, McIver, or Perth again depending on stopping patterns. Fremantle Line passengers can just go through on a Midland service and change at Claremont, or Bayswater, Yanchep/Butler/Joondalup Line passengers would have to change from Perth Underground to surface level platforms to get an Airport Link service (or Midland service and change again at Bayswater), it is feasible to run a through service from the Joondalup Line into the surface platforms and therefore onto the Airport Link but whether this will become a reality is not public information at the time of writing. ...Drew
@@DrewsRailwayWorld Some very good points. I'd say a definite must to have a line to the airport in a modern city, and cross-line connections as well, just makes things easier by giving more options in routes to places.
@@DrewsRailwayWorld Yet for the sake of a few hundred metres of tunnel, running direct trains from Ellenbrook to the airport would be possible without changing trains. Then with the subsequent extension of the Thornlie-Cockburn link along the existing railway corridor to High Wycombe, the possibility of direct trains from Ellenbrook to Mandurah and Armadale/Byford would exist. Not building a connecting tunnel between the Airport line and the future Ellenbrook line now, whilst the TBMs are already there, was a grave mistake.
@@ianmorris7485 I agree, but there might be cheaper alternative to a tunnel, it is a system used in Britain, the train from Ellenbrook could run into a platform at Bayswater. then go out in the opposite direction to the Airport, passengers simply stay on the train, the delay is only as long as it takes the driver to change ends. However, I suspect the connection points to the Midland Line will be at the western end of Bayswater not the Bayswater Junction end, and because of the increased traffic the new signal control system will have to be in place and that's a 12 year project so will have to wait and see. There is some speculation that the Airport Link will be extended beyond High Wycombe to Thornlie thereby connecting the airport via Cockburn and onto Mandurah, if it happens I don't expect it before mid century, as it stands at opening next year (?) the reality is that only passengers from Claremont going east will actually be able to get to the airport without changing once or twice and vice versa. Based on my overseas experience airport lines generally are non stop, where they share existing infrastructure they still continue direct to the major city transport hub. Kuala Lumpur's KLIA to the city is an interesting comparison as in parts it passes through existing surburban stations. ....Drew
I'd like to hear a review of trackless trams option. I hear its going ahead in Melbourne south east. Perth is looking at trialling and then possibly installing from Glendalough to Scarborough. Also between Curtin to Canning St and then possibly Fremantle. Curtin to UWA through city... So an analysis and review over time would be good.
@@Melbourneontransit City of Stirling is trialing it with Cwlth funding. 1st trial in Aust apparently. You'd expect the WA govt to support it, though Perth has a highly effective bus system currently, so it needs to offer a lot more than bus. Still it is a possible option for linking hospitals universities and some outer suburbs.
Thanks for this! Generally well done on the pronunciation, too - you avoided quite a few usual pitfalls. Would have loved to see the details on the Claremont station upgrade you mentioned at the start, but overall a very informative video. Pity there's no end in sight for non Victorians to actually get in to WA right now and see this stuff.
It's just a turnback for airport trains. That's it. I also agree it is a bit of a pity we can't go across the border but hopefully by the time most of it's done we will be able to.
@@MetroManMelbourne thanks mate. Your video mentioned an upgrade to the bus interchange arrangements too, there, which I'm also interested in. Realise you're mostly a train guy (aren't we all!) though. I'll check it out online. Thanks for the great vid, as I didn't know any of this upgrade was happening. Hopefully one day it becomes less politically expedient for WA to close its borders, and we get to see all the changes!
Hi - I'm from Perth and it was nice to see your video. Your comment about not understanding why the rail went to Mandurah was a bit off though. One of the reasons the rail goes to Mandurah is the volume of people who commute to Perth for work. The freeway cannot cope with the 000's of workers travelling back and forth for one. Another is Mandurah is the second biggest city in Western Australia with infrastructure supporting Perth so it makes sense. Sure, there is a big gap between Cockburn Central and Mandurah with only Kwinana, Wellard, Rockingham and Warnbro the only Stations built initially in that 47 km's but Aubin Grove came on line about 5 years ago, Lakelands opening this month and Karnup is in the works. The rest of the housing on the west side is seperated from the rail by the freeway and semi rural while a lot of the area to the east is semi rural , rural or low lying - river area. As I live in this semi rural area, i can see the area is served well. As for Mundijong, I feel it would be better served if the Bunbury - Perth had fast trains (150kms>) at least 10 times a day each way(esp.early morning to Perth) stopping at 8-10 towns to Armadale then express. But that won't happen because from Armadale to Bunbury there is only 1 line and most of the day it is used for transporting bauxite and acids to and from Pinjarra.
Great Presentation and very clear and accurate. I love the rail network in Perth, but I also love my car which is one of the greatest luxuries and conveniences of our lives. Cars and Metro-Rail can co-exist and can complement each other, especially where ample free parking is provided at stations. As a transport engineer myself, a car driver, a cyclist, and a user of metro-rail, I feel that cars are demonised, while cycle and electric scooter anarchy now reigns wth horrific safety implications. Cars, petrol and diesel, have brought tremendous economic growth everywhere and stating the CO2 emissions are bad, is simply untrue, as evidenced by the shrinking deserts. Therefore, it is important to undertsand transport multi-modal benefits and priorities for all travellers and commuters and how they can be integrated.
The problem with dencifying is not many people really want to do that. I live near cockburn st and we have nice big backyards and lots of bushland near by. It's kinda sucks looking at the small houses with no backyard and little greenery in the newer suburbs
Just like you we're saying about Hove station in Adelaide, the other station that should be looked into is the Emerson crossing, where Cross and South Road meets up.
These projects look like a dream compared to what we have here in greater Brisbane. There is zero connection between different lines and everything is in a spoke and hub configuration. Cross river rail is supposed to elevate some of the pressure, however all its doing is making the hub bigger. There needs to be links between the Cleveland, Logan, Springfield, and ipswich lines in the south and the airport, Doomben, CVaboolture;lure and Ferny Grove lines in the north.
Its been a while since this video released, i gotta say some things We got the airport line we also got lakelands station and the yanchep extention and the C series is releasing!
You're right that some of the improvements are better than others. It's unfortunate that projects like the yanchep extension help facilitate urban sprawl. I think the way the airport link and the ellenbrook lime are tied into the existing network is poorly thought out as well, however the general need for rail in the area is obvious so the projects are still very useful and important. Also, I dont see much utility in the thornlie-cockburn link besides its effect on future bus service in the area. For this reason, the armadale line upgrades are my favorite, as they will increase service speeds in a critical area of the city and redesigned stations will have better bus connectivity to all nearby suburbs. I hope in the future the city takes a better look at the bus network, as it is underdeveloped today and would have far reaching benefits on the rail system as well. These days, the only adequate bus service is getting people to the stations, and a few routes from the city out into the suburbs. Certain streets, in the inner suburbs in particular, could use high capacity bus corridors, maybe with potential for light rail conversion. In a city as sprawling as perth, having multiple branching bus routes that converge in a single high frequency dedicated bus corridor would provide a speedy one seat ride and make driving in the inner city less tempting. This decade is very exciting for transit enthusiasts though, I look forward to seeing these projects completed :)
Some of the lines have been delayed unfortunately. I think there may be a delay for a few years once Ellenbrook, Thornlie-Cockburn and Byford and Yanchep extensions have occurred. For me they need to consider how to get a rail up to East Wanneroo or even Balcatta to Morley. It would be appropriate to have it built within 12 years. There is also talk of trackless tram routes and ferries.
What a lovely young man Aaron is, snd of course we stayed riveted to the end of this video. It was great. We have to get people out of their cars. Alas, planner Gordon Stephenson designed Perth in 1959 to look like Los Angeles. What a big mistake he was. On the Yanchep line they have built some green corridors over the line for the safe movement of animals. Love your surname Aaron, take care in the big smoke, we're getting ready for the opening of the two airport stations on 9 Oct (Redcliffe to Claremont line).
We are so lucky to have a government that actually wants to improve our Public Transport network, and so far it’s going well! Also Gnangara is pronounced Nang - gara
Yes but construction is a small part of it. It costs hundreds of million dollars each year to bot maintain these rail networks and then subsidise the transport system. This will be an ongoing load for the tax payer year in and year out. Surplus or not surplus. Its now committed and future generations will keep paying for it. Maintenance and subsidising it is known full well by governments, but the public seem to think the only cost is constructing it. No transport in Perth makes a profit!
Perth actually has fantastic public transport. Being completely government owned, it's far better integrated than other systems. The busses are great too. I do wish Perth station would get a make over. The underground platforms are great, but the main part looks dated. Even replacing the roof alone would be a huge improvement.
Totally agree...every time I visit Perth(from Melbourne) I see a beautiful and rapidly growing city..and the new transport infrastructure highlighted in this excellent video will only make Perth even more appealing..and every time I visit Perth Station i also wish they would replace the roof..also the northern(?) entrance which includes the walkway from the Arts precinct to Forrest chase needs revamping...it’s very cluttered and dated
Any plans to have trains going out towards Scarborough? A nice line from leedersvile to Wembley out to Scarborough would be great. But I suspect will never happen.
When the Joondalup line was being built there was serious consideration of the rail exiting the freeway reserve to go via Herdsman near John Sanders Dr through to Innaloo and develop it into a major shopping and business precinct then back onto the freeway. The environmentalists were concerned about bird life etc. So the station was put at Glendalough. No inner city rails will be built. The previous Lib govt had a thought bubble about tunnelling through to Morley and then onto Ellenbrook. Also future possibilities to Gnangara and East Wanneroo via either Reid Hwy through Balcatta and Mirrabooka. Or via Malaga on the Ellenbrook line. But that may be 20 years away at earliest. After the current Metronet program finishes in 2030 there won't be much energy or money to do more heavy rail for quite a while. The debt and ongoing costs will be huge. Trackless trams is being investigated via a current business case for Glendalough to Scarborough. Business case was due for completion a few months back! The big transport options inner city will be north through Alexander Dr or Charles Wanneroo Rd. Then through Vic Park to Curtin Uni and onto UWA and hospital precinct the other way. Those options are around the areas you're talking about.
I reckon extending Fremantle to Cockburn Central would service the suburbs well and better connect people south of the river to Fremantle. Currently its quicker to go to Osborne Park than Fremantle. I agree that light rail (expressway) could run from Canning Bridge or Murdoch into Fremantle. It could even extend to Curtin and the Armadale line. But the tram stations would need to be far apart so that you could travel the distance in under 15 minutes. It must be significantly faster than buses and have priority at lights and express lanes. Speed must be the key. If going via Leach Hwy it could include Booragoodn before arriving at Canning Bridge or Bullcreek. Also light rail could also use rail reserve and existing heavy rail tracks through South Fremantle before connecting to the road system and be given express status
Services on the Forrestfield-Airport Line will be every 12 minutes, not 15! Also, there's no need to quadruple the line between Bayswater and Perth, as the high-capacity signalling will allow trains to run every minute or two so they can use only two tracks. Nevertheless, good summary video.
Thanks for the minor correction. Yeah the high capacity signalling should be enough for now but the possibility should be left open for quadruplicating the line in future.
I think this would be a pivotal part of Metronet Stage II imo. They could reuse a lot of the old track that was used for the America's Cup back in the 1980s and have stops at South Fremantle, Coogee Beach, Bibra Lake, Adventure World, and then meet at Cockburn to coincide with the Thornlie-cockburn link. Another potential extension could be Thornlie to Forrestfield, Kewdale, and then onwards to Midland, and then from Midland to Stratton, Bullsbrook and then to Ellenbrook.
The Caledonian Ave level crossing is now removed, and unfortunately replaced by nothing. The traffic burden will be carried by three nearby crossings and apparently the local roads have been improved accordingly though I haven't been through there since.
All of these are running way behind if they have even started, the airport link is finally opening in just over a month (9 Oct 22) and the Ellenbrook line has nothing but giant sand pads at all its stops and adjoining services (like the tram stations).
Theyll have all the extension finished before the end of 2025 if everything goes to plan. What will they do then? Just keep building new lines and extensions? What do you think?
Hi great video.i will visit Perth some day soon.im in new.great new train lines.puts our other cities network to shame.perth is way ahead of our other cities.pity no historic stations have been saved in Perth.great video,thanks.
Perth has very good bus network. Major strength of Perth. But some are also a fan of Perth's rail. See video below. ruclips.net/video/AH1kvXxnBiQ/видео.html
Construction is about 90-95% complete but the best guess for its opening is the first half of 2022. I have heard May, 2022 but nothing is official yet.
Anything going east west needs to connect better. Say go east on Reid Hwy from Balcatta and end up connecting Morley or Noranda. Ideally it would go via tunnel to Morley Galleria and then connect to Morley or Bayswater. Its a no brainer about east Wanneroo. Without it, roads like Wanneroo Rd and Alexander Dr will be like a carpark. There needs to be a direct way from east Wanneroo into the city. Going via Bayswater will really increase travel times as its indirect.
Wow. great video, It just popped up in my YT feed ... like 3 years later. But yeah, construction is fully underway on all these projects. The Ellenbrook line opens in just a couple of weeks. The Armadale-Byford line is under construction, the elevated inner Armadale line too. Within the next 6 months (I am posting November 2024) the rail work will massively expand in capacity and new routes.... Just in time for the next state election in march 2025. Timing might be a coincidence :/
There needs to be tunnelling into Morley Galleria as a priority. This will ensure that the CBD and Perth is more decentralised into major hubs. Morley is a significant centre in which a rail would encourage increased office space. Running everything thorugh Bayswater is poor as it will never be a hub and you won't get the full benefits of having a decentralised hub.
Many parts of Metronet program are a joke. You can develop a trainline network, but what is the point if it is not acessable to the general public. Terrible positioning of lines and stations. Underground is the way to go, it also allows shops and more development to give more potential for the train lines and serve the public. People don't catch public transport if you have to drive to the train station in the first place.
Mandurah and Rockingham have a combined population of 250,000+ & you think the Mandurah line was a waste of electrification, because it's 70 km out. Well why did Melbourne, deviate all the electric trains fir Geelong ( similar distance yet smaller population). Perth has hills inland that stops over development, unlike Melbourne, didn't the electric train once run down to Sale or Yallourn (145km)
Didn’t say it was a waste to build it? Just said it’s encouraging urban sprawl which is crap. And Geelong-Melbourne doesn’t have electric trains. yes there were electric trains to Traralgon and yallourn but they were exclusive to country use beyond Dandenong.
@@MetroManMelbourne Because all the money is spent to the east of Australia while the north,west and south states only get the scrapes which is why people would rather live in the east since the other states get shit all.
Not yet. I think its important and expensive but may not be used that heavily. FIFO was a major benefit of it. But some FIFO flights to regions would have gone by the time the first train arrives just before 6. Furthermore, if you live in the Perth area the first bus or train may not leave near your house until 6.30am say... then you arrive in Perth and catch the train line to the airport. By then its 7.30. And what if there is a delay. Then later in the evening when the flights come in how do you get home. IF you get out of the airport and the rail is still running. It will make it difficult to make the next transport connection. Some buses stop pretty much after 9pm.
@@MetroManMelbourne ok, I am not perfect and I know I have deteriorated in the last few years. I meant it as Constructive Criticism only. All good information in this video, thank you.
Our suburban rail lines run on narrow gauge tracks as that was the gauge of choice for Western Australia before standardisation. The _Indian Pacific_ (to Adelaide, then Sydney) and _The Prospector_ (to Kalgoorlie) does run on 1,435 mm standard gauge tracks, though.
The Breakwater Estate website (dated 2017) talks about a light rail but I very much doubt it will happen. It refers at a state government transport plan and completion of Yanchep by 2020. Perth often talks about Light Rail but has never carried through. And if you were to put light rail into Perth there'd be other places you'd have it first. I suspect it will be a bus to Two Rocks for a long long time, and if anything happens after then it would be a train extension.
The level of brand new, super high quality rail infrastructure in Perth is absolutely stunning for any city, let alone one that's relatively small in the grand scheme of things. Even by European standards, it's extremely good. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and cry into my overpriced, poorly built Sydney real estate.
This is all exciting but some parts of it are completely asinine. Welshpool Station has the most capacity for infill, it's light industrial/office parks. Now it'll be 6km between Oats and Queens Park making the area useless for transit. The stations on the Cockburn link and Ellenbrook line are so far apart. There's plenty of scope for filling the gaps and they've identified this in Brabham, but the distances don't support the kind of benefit that would let the projects justify themselves. Ultra low density subdivisions can't support the ridership and people who seek that lifestyle have made their choice and shouldn't be prioritised. If your stations are beyond that 1.6 -2km distance it's just not making its worth. Then there's the fact the Cockburn link costs 700m for a ~12km stretch of alignment on an existing route with most infrastructure already in place. It's about 4 times as much per km as the entire Mandurah line with underground stations and all. Fortunately the people behind the Bayswater precinct know what they're doing. It's just a shame it'll be so hard to shoehorn that level of quality into the other projects after the fact.
Most of the cost and delays with respect of the Thornlie-Cockburn Link has been related to relocation of existing services, so a comparison in costs with the Mandurah line are not really valid - especially considering that construction of the Mandurah line commenced about 18 years ago. Costs have increased since then! That is not to say the planning has been good, far from it. The existing rail infrastructure is freight only dual gauge track which is controlled by ARC Infrastructure, rather than Public Transport Authority controlled. Further, the existing infrastructure does not allow double stacked container trains and it was confirmed to me that the new freight infrastructure would allow for double stacked container trains from Forrestfield to Kwinana/Fremantle, should the need arise.
@@ianmorris7485 that's good that it includes the upgrades for the freight network. But I still think the comparison is useful. If compare the airport link instead, it's only slightly shorter than the Cockburn link. It's entirely tunneled and contains three stations (or four if you include Bayswater but I'm not sure if that was part of the original cost). The two airport stations are far more elaborate than on the Cockburn link as well. At 1.86 billion even with today's high costs that's exceptional value for money
The major utilisation of the thornlie Cockburn link will be traffic inyerchanging between the mandurah and Armidale lines, especially when the Forrestfeild line is extended to thornlie.
ok ok 1 i live in perth 2 there was a lot rezoning in 2018/19 to cut down on the Urban sprawl 3 if you look at a map swan river costal plane Perth has gown as far est as it can as there are a lot of national parks in wa an fyi its hard to bild apartment blocs out side of the inner-city as a lot of gropes vote agents them
Perth metronet is success story for sunbelt cities , Perth rail was close to extinction in the late 70’s and early 80’s , so Perth’s rapid rail expansion over the last few decades has been amazing considering how governments like to drag these projects out .
Liberal governments destroy public transport, and Labor governments are elected to fix up the messes-Freo line, electrification, Yanchep to Mandurah lines, Metronet network inc two no-surcharge airport stations, plus bringing back WA manufactured rolling stock at the new railway workshops with many of important trade apprenticeships.
Visionary, and sustainable transport.
Great video article - 10/10.
Yep Perth's train system was seriously neglected by the 1980's and it indeed was on the brink of extinction. In 1979 the conservative state government closed the Fremantle line. It was reopened in 1983 after a change of government, 100,000 people signed a petition for it to be re-opened and that generated a push, first to invest in the existing system by electrifying it and purchasing modern rolling stock and then building new lines to service the city.
Compared to the 1990's Perth's public transport, both trains and buses, are lightyears ahead in quality now. It's a good example of how to design public transport in low density, sprawling cities - Perth is a shining example of what can be achieved in similar cities elsewhere in Australia and North America in particular.
I totally agree with you in regards to Perths Urban sprawl. It's 2.7 million inhabitants are spread over 150 kms, making it the worlds longest City. Perth has always had a great rail network and continues to meet the increasing demands of growth that a growing City requires. Have been a regular user of the rail system for over 50 years and I want to thank you for your summary of all the upcoming upgrades .
People who are familiar with old Perth rail lines may know that the industrial line from Thornley through Bibra Lake to Fremantle use to be a passenger line as well, old ghost stations still exist or did within the last decade, some in freo and south freo still exist in a purely historical sense.
The dual lines are still there, they are only used by freight trains. They should be electrified and complete the loop through to Fremantle taking in the stations alo used for the America's Cup in the 80's.
I submitted this plan to Minister Saffiotti in 2015. One day maybe.
Bloody interesting to see my home towns rail network upgraded and improved. Great video, Perth needs more trains because it seems to be spreading faster than the road network 🤮 can cope with.
I’m from Perth but now live just outside Melbourne. I enjoyed seeing glimpses of my former home and hearing those oh so familiar names and places and seeing locations I lived in and rail crossings I regularly drove over, through and under…terrific, but I also have a very big soft spot for my adopted city with its own major rail works going on too. Thank you for the vlog…Well done.
I was waiting for a decent video on this, it’s cool seeing different networks included on this channel.
The tunnels from the airport are underground, how long are you underground as I have claustrophobia of closed in places
Love the use of NIMBY Rails footage in the video mate. Information is also nice and concise and was a great listen to overall.
I would recommend investing in a pop filter, but apart from that minor issue, another great video as always, mate!
God I love metronet. Got recommended this vid today, it's great! You have a really good way of breaking this stuff down and making it really digestible in ways I can't process reading all the individual releases and updates from the gov/transperth. The airport link opens next month (fingers crossed), and I'm very excited! Can't wait to watch more of your stuff.
Thanks for video. Perth has high satisfaction with its train and bus network. The bus network in Perth is particularly well organised and reliable. Its been good that Perth has expanded rail, meaning that they now have a comprehensive and efficient bus and rail system. I'd be interested in people's views on trackless trams or a review of the concept. Planned for Glendalough to Scarborough and other locations. One thing about the video. It talks about connecting lines to the north (e.g. east Wanneroo) and Reid Hwy to Carine. This is many years away I believe, if at all. 10 years ago there was a strong push for light rail north on Alexander Dr from Perth to Balga and beyond. Furthermore, between Curtin and UWA through city. Sadly a lack of funding availability stopped it and now light rail has been delayed indefinitely (with trackless trams being explored). Sadly the first metre of light rail track seems to be the hardest to lay.
Fantastic presentation! I’m 7mins walk to Bayswater station! I’m very excited to soon make use of the airport line for getting to and from airport for $2-3. Totally agree on the sprawl of the line up to Yanchep. I hope they start prioritising the ring lines soon and the connect between the Forrestfield station and Thornlie. Thanks for the presentation and as always, I look forward to catching a train or tram next time I’m in Melbourne!🤗
The govt really needs to work the Bayswater precinct with high density living and a lot more office space. Unfortunately, there isn't a major shopping centre in precinct. With the airport link and the Ellenbrook line it is really promoting centralisation into Perth CBD. Something they should be trying to avoid. Ideally Ellenbrook needed to go via Morley through tunnels and that would have broadened the Morley as a significant hub instead of just a major hub. Shuttle buses from Broun Ave overpass to Morley doesn't really work. The most important thing they need to consider is north through to Gnangara and East Wanneroo area. This will involve major tunnelling as the land isn't available. Possibility of a spur through Reid Hwy at Balcatta. Or via Malaga on the Ellenbrook line. But that could be 20 years away. But that section north is essential or you'll get Wanneroo Rd Alexander Dr turning into a carpark.
@@BDub2024 the zoning has 18story height limit in one area, so that is definitely on the cards. I think it becoming a major shopping precinct is unlikely though. Restaurants, maybe a bar and general service shops are what most people in Bayswater seem to want. There are two community groups in Bayswater. One wants development and the other is “not on my back yard” I’m optimistic we will find the right balance.
@@kitatit Its just unfortunate with it going through Bayswater for both new lines. We need to strengthen our urban centres like Morley and Midland and provide jobs opportunities so people can take transport to jobs relevatively nearby. Otherwise, it will just promote more car use and people travelling 25km per day to get to work. It would a concern to have high density apartment living in Bayswater. It needs to be of good standard or it will lead to the sort of problems that Mayland have had previously or Lockridge with high density public housing. There needs to be incentives for office space if feasible in particular. Easier said than done. But you need a lot more workers within 1km of the Bayswater station. Same applies with Maylands too. Unfortunately, that's basically small shops and coffee bar too.
Fantastic video! Informative and concise. Great to see which transit projects are being planned, designed and constructed in Perth over the next few years. 👍
Excellent video explaining the different projects involved in MetroNET..well done...I did have a chuckle at the ‘if you’re still here’ bit at the end😂I look forward to my next trip to Perth once the borders reopen..
As a Yanchep/two rocks local, the train line is needed.. the sooner the better just driving 30mins to butler is bad enough
And very excited to ride on the new railcard and train lines when they’re finished!! We can finally replace the a series and the Australind (sooner the better because gets out of service every one/two months)
What you said about Perth needing to densify is spot on mate - we know better but economic and social pressures are maintaining existing incentives for the state government and local councils to continue feeding the sprawling mess that is the outer suburbs. That combined with further incentives for the residents of inner suburban areas to resist any attempts to increase density in their areas makes for the situation we have now 🥺 I continue to hope for better policies but there's a lot of work to be done to shift the public consciousness into a place where more people understand that expanding the train network to accommodate further sprawl is the opposite of what we should be doing
Regarding the distance to Mandurah - Mandurah was/is an existing large population area and important satellite city. The Urban sprawl hasn't resulted in Mandurah's existence, but has closed the gap between Perth and Mandurah. The rail line there gets 1000s of people onto trains and out of cars everyday, as many people live in one and work in the other.
Easily the most informative and comprehensive overall explanation of Metronet for this Perth resident, because it avoids the confusion of the "too much information" out there. Thanks. FYI, Gnangara (6:26) is pronounced nanGArra, and "available" (0:37, etc., etc.) is spelt, er... available! (IE: not avaLIable.) Cheers.
Regarding the possible quadruplication of the line from Bayswater to Perth, this was firmly knocked back early on in the project. The belief is that the upgraded signalling system would provide enough scope to permit the 4 trains an hour to each of Midland, High Wycombe and Ellenbrook, increasing to 6 to 8 trains an hour in peak periods. As for the new level crossing in Midland, when I queried this with the Metronet office, this is the response I got:
Thanks for your email on the Midland Station project. Cale Street was chosen for the new crossing as previous State and local planning for the Midland town centre has identified Cale Street as a key connector road for the area, and the proposed level crossing will support connectivity across the rail corridor in the Midland town centre.
Grade separations were considered but are challenging due to the area’s built up nature, land constraints and the need to cross both passenger and freight rail. Work assessing grade separation options around Midland are ongoing as part of the Public Transport Authority’s long term master plan to remove all level crossings on the passenger network.
So they are possibly looking at its replacement in the future anyway! This is despite the fact that the existing Lloyd Street underpass is about 400 metres north east of the station.
The answer you received clearly indicates they KNOW MORE THAN YOU - both from a technical and a financial perspective. Do you have the same level of expertise and knowledge to say otherwise?
Good video
I agree with the points about increasing density. The main problem with the rail system is that it's a spoke system, and you, therefore, have to go through the city to get anywhere by train. Thornlie-Cockburn will be a great starter, getting some cross-line connections started is great. Hopefully, in a couple decades, the north and south circle lines will exist, and the system will be greatly improved. An example of the benefits would be the northern suburbs being able to properly use the airport line, it being difficult if you're not very close to the Joondalup line, going to the airport with luggage that is.
Wow, that got long.
Residents of the eastern and north eastern suburbs will find the airport link most useful as the Ellenbrook Line will 'terminate' at the new Bayswater Station shortly after it diverges from the Tonkin Highway median strip, and meets with the Midland Line. Nobody is sure of the stopping patterns yet but one would presume it would be a natural interchange for the Airport Link which leaves the Midland line at Bayswater Junction just east of Bayswater Station. Armadale and Thornlie/ Cockburn (Mandurah) passengers could change at Claisebrook, McIver, or Perth again depending on stopping patterns. Fremantle Line passengers can just go through on a Midland service and change at Claremont, or Bayswater, Yanchep/Butler/Joondalup Line passengers would have to change from Perth Underground to surface level platforms to get an Airport Link service (or Midland service and change again at Bayswater), it is feasible to run a through service from the Joondalup Line into the surface platforms and therefore onto the Airport Link but whether this will become a reality is not public information at the time of writing. ...Drew
@@DrewsRailwayWorld Some very good points. I'd say a definite must to have a line to the airport in a modern city, and cross-line connections as well, just makes things easier by giving more options in routes to places.
@@DrewsRailwayWorld Yet for the sake of a few hundred metres of tunnel, running direct trains from Ellenbrook to the airport would be possible without changing trains. Then with the subsequent extension of the Thornlie-Cockburn link along the existing railway corridor to High Wycombe, the possibility of direct trains from Ellenbrook to Mandurah and Armadale/Byford would exist. Not building a connecting tunnel between the Airport line and the future Ellenbrook line now, whilst the TBMs are already there, was a grave mistake.
@@ianmorris7485 I agree, but there might be cheaper alternative to a tunnel, it is a system used in Britain, the train from Ellenbrook could run into a platform at Bayswater. then go out in the opposite direction to the Airport, passengers simply stay on the train, the delay is only as long as it takes the driver to change ends. However, I suspect the connection points to the Midland Line will be at the western end of Bayswater not the Bayswater Junction end, and because of the increased traffic the new signal control system will have to be in place and that's a 12 year project so will have to wait and see. There is some speculation that the Airport Link will be extended beyond High Wycombe to Thornlie thereby connecting the airport via Cockburn and onto Mandurah, if it happens I don't expect it before mid century, as it stands at opening next year (?) the reality is that only passengers from Claremont going east will actually be able to get to the airport without changing once or twice and vice versa. Based on my overseas experience airport lines generally are non stop, where they share existing infrastructure they still continue direct to the major city transport hub. Kuala Lumpur's KLIA to the city is an interesting comparison as in parts it passes through existing surburban stations. ....Drew
Nice commentary; very informative too for an oldie like Me, from Perth, but living now in Melbourne!
Great informative video certainly summeriesd the project very well thanks
I'm doing Metronet for a part of my geography ATAR exam and u have saved me 🙏
haha in WA? I'm doing geography in Victoria this year
@@MetroManMelbourne yeah! I think I did ok on that part exam 💀
always a good day with a new metro man vid! love the new profile picture
Great post. Well done and very interesting
Great video mate 👍
Thanks. Enjoyed it. Told me about future plans I wasn't aware of.
I'd like to hear a review of trackless trams option. I hear its going ahead in Melbourne south east. Perth is looking at trialling and then possibly installing from Glendalough to Scarborough. Also between Curtin to Canning St and then possibly Fremantle. Curtin to UWA through city... So an analysis and review over time would be good.
@@woodfam4738 Thanks. It will only happen in Melbourne if the Victorian State Government gives its approval. This hasn't happened yet.
@@Melbourneontransit City of Stirling is trialing it with Cwlth funding. 1st trial in Aust apparently. You'd expect the WA govt to support it, though Perth has a highly effective bus system currently, so it needs to offer a lot more than bus. Still it is a possible option for linking hospitals universities and some outer suburbs.
Meanwhile Sydney... Still takes far too long to get to nearby cities. And even within the city takes ages to get somewhere.
Thanks for this! Generally well done on the pronunciation, too - you avoided quite a few usual pitfalls. Would have loved to see the details on the Claremont station upgrade you mentioned at the start, but overall a very informative video. Pity there's no end in sight for non Victorians to actually get in to WA right now and see this stuff.
It's just a turnback for airport trains. That's it.
I also agree it is a bit of a pity we can't go across the border but hopefully by the time most of it's done we will be able to.
@@MetroManMelbourne thanks mate. Your video mentioned an upgrade to the bus interchange arrangements too, there, which I'm also interested in. Realise you're mostly a train guy (aren't we all!) though. I'll check it out online.
Thanks for the great vid, as I didn't know any of this upgrade was happening. Hopefully one day it becomes less politically expedient for WA to close its borders, and we get to see all the changes!
This us exactly what I was looking for.
Kudos
Perth is a nice place
Hi - I'm from Perth and it was nice to see your video. Your comment about not understanding why the rail went to Mandurah was a bit off though. One of the reasons the rail goes to Mandurah is the volume of people who commute to Perth for work. The freeway cannot cope with the 000's of workers travelling back and forth for one. Another is Mandurah is the second biggest city in Western Australia with infrastructure supporting Perth so it makes sense. Sure, there is a big gap between Cockburn Central and Mandurah with only Kwinana, Wellard, Rockingham and Warnbro the only Stations built initially in that 47 km's but Aubin Grove came on line about 5 years ago, Lakelands opening this month and Karnup is in the works. The rest of the housing on the west side is seperated from the rail by the freeway and semi rural while a lot of the area to the east is semi rural , rural or low lying - river area. As I live in this semi rural area, i can see the area is served well.
As for Mundijong, I feel it would be better served if the Bunbury - Perth had fast trains (150kms>) at least 10 times a day each way(esp.early morning to Perth) stopping at 8-10 towns to Armadale then express. But that won't happen because from Armadale to Bunbury there is only 1 line and most of the day it is used for transporting bauxite and acids to and from Pinjarra.
Small issue, the Morley-Ellenbrook Line will be tunelled under Tonkin Highway at the Bayswater Connection. All in all a great, informative video!
ah, thanks for correcting me!
Great Presentation and very clear and accurate. I love the rail network in Perth, but I also love my car which is one of the greatest luxuries and conveniences of our lives. Cars and Metro-Rail can co-exist and can complement each other, especially where ample free parking is provided at stations. As a transport engineer myself, a car driver, a cyclist, and a user of metro-rail, I feel that cars are demonised, while cycle and electric scooter anarchy now reigns wth horrific safety implications. Cars, petrol and diesel, have brought tremendous economic growth everywhere and stating the CO2 emissions are bad, is simply untrue, as evidenced by the shrinking deserts. Therefore, it is important to undertsand transport multi-modal benefits and priorities for all travellers and commuters and how they can be integrated.
Nonetheless an amazing video, keep it up
Thank you!
Great Video, enjoyed it very much
Could the line between the CBD and Bayswater be quadtracked? With 3 lines running there, this could be needed to increase frequencies.
"I'm sure I mispronounced that..." haha Very informative broadcast, thanks 😃
The problem with dencifying is not many people really want to do that. I live near cockburn st and we have nice big backyards and lots of bushland near by. It's kinda sucks looking at the small houses with no backyard and little greenery in the newer suburbs
Just like you we're saying about Hove station in Adelaide, the other station that should be looked into is the Emerson crossing, where Cross and South Road meets up.
I like the hitachi for the channel picture, looks nice!
These projects look like a dream compared to what we have here in greater Brisbane. There is zero connection between different lines and everything is in a spoke and hub configuration. Cross river rail is supposed to elevate some of the pressure, however all its doing is making the hub bigger.
There needs to be links between the Cleveland, Logan, Springfield, and ipswich lines in the south and the airport, Doomben, CVaboolture;lure and Ferny Grove lines in the north.
bang on about line extentions contributing to urban sprall. the land clearing that occurs there for 300sqm single story houses breaks my heart!
Not mine removing old trash that gets in the way most of that was state housing where criminals and drug addicts hanged out at.
Its been a while since this video released, i gotta say some things
We got the airport line
we also got lakelands station and the yanchep extention and the C series is releasing!
You're right that some of the improvements are better than others. It's unfortunate that projects like the yanchep extension help facilitate urban sprawl. I think the way the airport link and the ellenbrook lime are tied into the existing network is poorly thought out as well, however the general need for rail in the area is obvious so the projects are still very useful and important. Also, I dont see much utility in the thornlie-cockburn link besides its effect on future bus service in the area. For this reason, the armadale line upgrades are my favorite, as they will increase service speeds in a critical area of the city and redesigned stations will have better bus connectivity to all nearby suburbs.
I hope in the future the city takes a better look at the bus network, as it is underdeveloped today and would have far reaching benefits on the rail system as well. These days, the only adequate bus service is getting people to the stations, and a few routes from the city out into the suburbs. Certain streets, in the inner suburbs in particular, could use high capacity bus corridors, maybe with potential for light rail conversion. In a city as sprawling as perth, having multiple branching bus routes that converge in a single high frequency dedicated bus corridor would provide a speedy one seat ride and make driving in the inner city less tempting. This decade is very exciting for transit enthusiasts though, I look forward to seeing these projects completed :)
Completely agree with the buses - Perth has great potential for them but does not use them anything like how they should run.
Some of the lines have been delayed unfortunately. I think there may be a delay for a few years once Ellenbrook, Thornlie-Cockburn and Byford and Yanchep extensions have occurred. For me they need to consider how to get a rail up to East Wanneroo or even Balcatta to Morley. It would be appropriate to have it built within 12 years. There is also talk of trackless tram routes and ferries.
I❤Perth terima kaseh
Ayy new vid 😎
Perth is a quite the positive train news hub for anglophone countries, currently :D
It's garbage cheaply done and a total time waste becuse faster catching a bus that has to deal with traffic.
RMTransit brought me here ✌️
What a lovely young man Aaron is, snd of course we stayed riveted to the end of this video. It was great. We have to get people out of their cars. Alas, planner Gordon Stephenson designed Perth in 1959 to look like Los Angeles. What a big mistake he was.
On the Yanchep line they have built some green corridors over the line for the safe movement of animals.
Love your surname Aaron, take care in the big smoke, we're getting ready for the opening of the two airport stations on 9 Oct (Redcliffe to Claremont line).
We are so lucky to have a government that actually wants to improve our Public Transport network, and so far it’s going well! Also Gnangara is pronounced Nang - gara
Very nice
God, these videos just get better and better!
Suggestion: do a video on the Cityrail Clearways scheme.
Thank you! I will put that down on my list of future videos now
I find it amazing how these big builds are being funded whilst in a large SURPLUS. and it’s awesome
Yes but construction is a small part of it. It costs hundreds of million dollars each year to bot maintain these rail networks and then subsidise the transport system. This will be an ongoing load for the tax payer year in and year out. Surplus or not surplus. Its now committed and future generations will keep paying for it. Maintenance and subsidising it is known full well by governments, but the public seem to think the only cost is constructing it. No transport in Perth makes a profit!
Wow,what a huge difference compared to the antiquated system that existed in the 1970s,well done Perth.
Amazing what a couple of Labor govts can achieve vs decades of Liberal govt.
Good vid cheers
Perth actually has fantastic public transport. Being completely government owned, it's far better integrated than other systems. The busses are great too. I do wish Perth station would get a make over. The underground platforms are great, but the main part looks dated. Even replacing the roof alone would be a huge improvement.
so fantastic that it constantly gets complained about. Perth has a long way to go, but MetroNET is one step further.
Totally agree...every time I visit Perth(from Melbourne) I see a beautiful and rapidly growing city..and the new transport infrastructure highlighted in this excellent video will only make Perth even more appealing..and every time I visit Perth Station i also wish they would replace the roof..also the northern(?) entrance which includes the walkway from the Arts precinct to Forrest chase needs revamping...it’s very cluttered and dated
Any plans to have trains going out towards Scarborough? A nice line from leedersvile to Wembley out to Scarborough would be great. But I suspect will never happen.
When the Joondalup line was being built there was serious consideration of the rail exiting the freeway reserve to go via Herdsman near John Sanders Dr through to Innaloo and develop it into a major shopping and business precinct then back onto the freeway. The environmentalists were concerned about bird life etc. So the station was put at Glendalough.
No inner city rails will be built. The previous Lib govt had a thought bubble about tunnelling through to Morley and then onto Ellenbrook. Also future possibilities to Gnangara and East Wanneroo via either Reid Hwy through Balcatta and Mirrabooka. Or via Malaga on the Ellenbrook line. But that may be 20 years away at earliest. After the current Metronet program finishes in 2030 there won't be much energy or money to do more heavy rail for quite a while. The debt and ongoing costs will be huge.
Trackless trams is being investigated via a current business case for Glendalough to Scarborough. Business case was due for completion a few months back!
The big transport options inner city will be north through Alexander Dr or Charles Wanneroo Rd. Then through Vic Park to Curtin Uni and onto UWA and hospital precinct the other way. Those options are around the areas you're talking about.
The city of Stirling was trialing a trackless tram (basically a fancy bus) from Glendalough to Scarborough
Hands up all those that have figured out Metronet isn't just about rail transport.
Take a look at Warwick Quarter development. Figured it out now.
I reckon extending Fremantle to Cockburn Central would service the suburbs well and better connect people south of the river to Fremantle. Currently its quicker to go to Osborne Park than Fremantle. I agree that light rail (expressway) could run from Canning Bridge or Murdoch into Fremantle. It could even extend to Curtin and the Armadale line. But the tram stations would need to be far apart so that you could travel the distance in under 15 minutes. It must be significantly faster than buses and have priority at lights and express lanes. Speed must be the key. If going via Leach Hwy it could include Booragoodn before arriving at Canning Bridge or Bullcreek. Also light rail could also use rail reserve and existing heavy rail tracks through South Fremantle before connecting to the road system and be given express status
Services on the Forrestfield-Airport Line will be every 12 minutes, not 15! Also, there's no need to quadruple the line between Bayswater and Perth, as the high-capacity signalling will allow trains to run every minute or two so they can use only two tracks. Nevertheless, good summary video.
Thanks for the minor correction. Yeah the high capacity signalling should be enough for now but the possibility should be left open for quadruplicating the line in future.
The Forrestfield Airport link is officially opening on the 9th October 22
hi mate, can you tell me what is the web that you use in 9:54?
@@Relax_Zin it’s a steam game called NIMBY Rails
Sounds good, but what about the Cockburn to Fremantle line?
I think this would be a pivotal part of Metronet Stage II imo. They could reuse a lot of the old track that was used for the America's Cup back in the 1980s and have stops at South Fremantle, Coogee Beach, Bibra Lake, Adventure World, and then meet at Cockburn to coincide with the Thornlie-cockburn link.
Another potential extension could be Thornlie to Forrestfield, Kewdale, and then onwards to Midland, and then from Midland to Stratton, Bullsbrook and then to Ellenbrook.
Thank You
The Caledonian Ave level crossing is now removed, and unfortunately replaced by nothing. The traffic burden will be carried by three nearby crossings and apparently the local roads have been improved accordingly though I haven't been through there since.
All of these are running way behind if they have even started, the airport link is finally opening in just over a month (9 Oct 22) and the Ellenbrook line has nothing but giant sand pads at all its stops and adjoining services (like the tram stations).
Theyll have all the extension finished before the end of 2025 if everything goes to plan. What will they do then? Just keep building new lines and extensions?
What do you think?
Can’t wait for the byford extension. Finally can catch the train all the way to the city
If ya care, Gnangara rd is pronounced Nan-gara. Nicely informative and researched video. Thanks.
16:00 Not "light rail" but *TRAMWAY!*
Hi great video.i will visit Perth some day soon.im in new.great new train lines.puts our other cities network to shame.perth is way ahead of our other cities.pity no historic stations have been saved in Perth.great video,thanks.
Thats incorrect, Perth Train station has been there since 1881 and Fremantle since 1907.
Thank you for correction.
Perth has very good bus network. Major strength of Perth. But some are also a fan of Perth's rail. See video below.
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When will the construction of Airport-Forrest-field Line to be completed?
Construction is about 90-95% complete but the best guess for its opening is the first half of 2022. I have heard May, 2022 but nothing is official yet.
Third quarter now
It is now in service having opened on 9 October 2022.
Anything going east west needs to connect better. Say go east on Reid Hwy from Balcatta and end up connecting Morley or Noranda. Ideally it would go via tunnel to Morley Galleria and then connect to Morley or Bayswater. Its a no brainer about east Wanneroo. Without it, roads like Wanneroo Rd and Alexander Dr will be like a carpark. There needs to be a direct way from east Wanneroo into the city. Going via Bayswater will really increase travel times as its indirect.
Wow. great video, It just popped up in my YT feed ... like 3 years later. But yeah, construction is fully underway on all these projects. The Ellenbrook line opens in just a couple of weeks. The Armadale-Byford line is under construction, the elevated inner Armadale line too. Within the next 6 months (I am posting November 2024) the rail work will massively expand in capacity and new routes.... Just in time for the next state election in march 2025. Timing might be a coincidence :/
(Not sure of the City if Perth logo, as they have opposed every step of Metronet within the city. It is a wholly WA state government project).
26 seconds in and loving it
There needs to be tunnelling into Morley Galleria as a priority. This will ensure that the CBD and Perth is more decentralised into major hubs. Morley is a significant centre in which a rail would encourage increased office space. Running everything thorugh Bayswater is poor as it will never be a hub and you won't get the full benefits of having a decentralised hub.
Many parts of Metronet program are a joke. You can develop a trainline network, but what is the point if it is not acessable to the general public. Terrible positioning of lines and stations. Underground is the way to go, it also allows shops and more development to give more potential for the train lines and serve the public. People don't catch public transport if you have to drive to the train station in the first place.
There is still a need for a high frequency light rail or tram service to QE2 Medical Campus and the University of Western Australia
lol, the railcar delivery is waaaaaay behind schedule
Yet there is no real train shortage. New trains are coming. Perth still has better off peak train frequency than Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne.
hey man, the gnangara road you miss pronounced is called "nang gara".
Mandurah and Rockingham have a combined population of 250,000+ & you think the Mandurah line was a waste of electrification, because it's 70 km out. Well why did Melbourne, deviate all the electric trains fir Geelong ( similar distance yet smaller population).
Perth has hills inland that stops over development, unlike Melbourne, didn't the electric train once run down to Sale or Yallourn (145km)
Didn’t say it was a waste to build it? Just said it’s encouraging urban sprawl which is crap. And Geelong-Melbourne doesn’t have electric trains. yes there were electric trains to Traralgon and yallourn but they were exclusive to country use beyond Dandenong.
Bayswater Bridge should have been heritage listed.
I wonder why electrification didn’t happen till 1991
Perth's system was very neglected for a long time unfortunately
@@MetroManMelbourne wow
I used to ride the old diesels in Perth before the new electric stock came in. Crazy to think that’s 30 odd years ago…
W.A. stands for Wait Awhile not Western Australia
@@MetroManMelbourne Because all the money is spent to the east of Australia while the north,west and south states only get the scrapes which is why people would rather live in the east since the other states get shit all.
Metro net vs cross river rail, what’s better
I don't think they're necessarily comparable, but Metronet has a wider scale.
Had anyone rode it yet? What’s it like, lived in Perth for 5 years doing FIFO would love to go back seeing this awesome infrastructure
i mean, it's a train in a tunnel. it's great to have that infrastructure in place, but it's not exactly the flashiest ride.
Not yet. I think its important and expensive but may not be used that heavily. FIFO was a major benefit of it. But some FIFO flights to regions would have gone by the time the first train arrives just before 6. Furthermore, if you live in the Perth area the first bus or train may not leave near your house until 6.30am say... then you arrive in Perth and catch the train line to the airport. By then its 7.30. And what if there is a delay. Then later in the evening when the flights come in how do you get home. IF you get out of the airport and the rail is still running. It will make it difficult to make the next transport connection. Some buses stop pretty much after 9pm.
oh my goodness, who was responsible for recording and then approving the AUDIO quality of this video?
myself a couple years ago. it's not even that bad lol. regardless i've improved a lot in a couple years if you watch some of my more recent stuff
@@MetroManMelbourne ok, I am not perfect and I know I have deteriorated in the last few years. I meant it as Constructive Criticism only. All good information in this video, thank you.
You say the airport link is narrow gauge,are you sure this is not a typo ? why change gauges from standard ? 🙃
everything in perth runs on narrow gauge
Our suburban rail lines run on narrow gauge tracks as that was the gauge of choice for Western Australia before standardisation. The _Indian Pacific_ (to Adelaide, then Sydney) and _The Prospector_ (to Kalgoorlie) does run on 1,435 mm standard gauge tracks, though.
@@clinton8421 Yeah. Narrow gauge is fairly common in this region of the world.
WA, Queensland and across the ditch all use narrow gauge.
How about the Fremantle line
Nothing major being worked on the Fremantle line beside the updated Claremont station
7:54 Yanchep will be connected to two rocks via light rail 🤤
ah alright, good to know.
The Breakwater Estate website (dated 2017) talks about a light rail but I very much doubt it will happen. It refers at a state government transport plan and completion of Yanchep by 2020. Perth often talks about Light Rail but has never carried through. And if you were to put light rail into Perth there'd be other places you'd have it first. I suspect it will be a bus to Two Rocks for a long long time, and if anything happens after then it would be a train extension.
i think it will go ahead, not for another 20 years at least
Seriously? I haven’t seen anything about that yet hahs
Did you know trains use to go to Buford.. they stopped it when electrified
NOT A MENTION OF THE NEW ARMADALE STATION
Update: airport line opens on 9 October
One major flaw in the plan. There is no line between the southern suburbs and Fremantle.
planned as a future extension of the thornlie cockburn link :)
The level of brand new, super high quality rail infrastructure in Perth is absolutely stunning for any city, let alone one that's relatively small in the grand scheme of things. Even by European standards, it's extremely good. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and cry into my overpriced, poorly built Sydney real estate.
9:35 - about time they eliminated the level crossings in those places. They have been such a nuisance.
It'd be good to see Perth get on with it and just remove all the remaining crossings.
i wanna see all the fremantle crossings removed. they make those western roads absolute hell.
@@jonathanodude6660 the Fremantle ones will be interesting given it's pretty much flat through around those areas.
This is all exciting but some parts of it are completely asinine. Welshpool Station has the most capacity for infill, it's light industrial/office parks. Now it'll be 6km between Oats and Queens Park making the area useless for transit. The stations on the Cockburn link and Ellenbrook line are so far apart. There's plenty of scope for filling the gaps and they've identified this in Brabham, but the distances don't support the kind of benefit that would let the projects justify themselves. Ultra low density subdivisions can't support the ridership and people who seek that lifestyle have made their choice and shouldn't be prioritised. If your stations are beyond that 1.6 -2km distance it's just not making its worth. Then there's the fact the Cockburn link costs 700m for a ~12km stretch of alignment on an existing route with most infrastructure already in place. It's about 4 times as much per km as the entire Mandurah line with underground stations and all. Fortunately the people behind the Bayswater precinct know what they're doing. It's just a shame it'll be so hard to shoehorn that level of quality into the other projects after the fact.
Most of the cost and delays with respect of the Thornlie-Cockburn Link has been related to relocation of existing services, so a comparison in costs with the Mandurah line are not really valid - especially considering that construction of the Mandurah line commenced about 18 years ago. Costs have increased since then! That is not to say the planning has been good, far from it. The existing rail infrastructure is freight only dual gauge track which is controlled by ARC Infrastructure, rather than Public Transport Authority controlled. Further, the existing infrastructure does not allow double stacked container trains and it was confirmed to me that the new freight infrastructure would allow for double stacked container trains from Forrestfield to Kwinana/Fremantle, should the need arise.
@@ianmorris7485 that's good that it includes the upgrades for the freight network. But I still think the comparison is useful. If compare the airport link instead, it's only slightly shorter than the Cockburn link. It's entirely tunneled and contains three stations (or four if you include Bayswater but I'm not sure if that was part of the original cost). The two airport stations are far more elaborate than on the Cockburn link as well. At 1.86 billion even with today's high costs that's exceptional value for money
The major utilisation of the thornlie Cockburn link will be traffic inyerchanging between the mandurah and Armidale lines, especially when the Forrestfeild line is extended to thornlie.
Oh narrow gauge?
yes - the perth system is on narrow gauge
@@MetroManMelbourne wow
ok ok 1 i live in perth 2 there was a lot rezoning in 2018/19 to cut down on the Urban sprawl 3 if you look at a map swan river costal plane Perth has gown as far est as it can as there are a lot of national parks in wa an fyi its hard to bild apartment blocs out side of the inner-city as a lot of gropes vote agents them
Because that is where all the criminals and drug addicts hang out at.
Gnangarra.. We pronounce it like nan garra, silent G