As a teenager, I was impressed by Koch. But I'm a lot wiser now. East Germany cheated its way to so many gold medals. I look at this now with very very suspicious eyes. Marita Koch no longer impresses me. Sorry. Donna Hartley ran very well, and Irina Schewinska was a beautiful, graceful runner.
@@keithf_ many people share your views, but mine will never change. All the greats , seem to have their image tarnished with drug accusations for this period. For me Marita was the best over so many distances due to hard work and dedication and would have been a top athlete, Even if she had or hadn’t been part of the DDR drug program,
Leighton Steven I don't have respect for Koch, now. The great Sharron Davies won an Olympic silver medal, beaten by East Germany's Petra Schneider. Years later Schneider developed very serious health problems brought on entirely by the drugs she was administered by the East German state. As Sharron Davies said so eloquently 'There were two losers in the pool that night. Myself, who won silver, and Petra who won gold' East Germany cheated, period.
@@keithf_ Hi Keith, It looks as Sharron will at last be getting her well deserved Gold Medal! The new head of FINA wants to address the cheating from the past and award medals to those, that missed out due to the drug cheats. About bloody time...
Paul Kennedy Thanks for posting, Paul. Its way way too late for all this. Should have happened decades ago, when East Germany was still a state. And I wonder if Sharron Davies will be compensated FINANCIALLY for the revenue she failed to earn by not being an Olympic gold medalist. ... and another thing ... they can think about removing the world records still held by Koch (400 metres women) and Kratochvilova (800 metres women). Both those eastern bloc athletes cheated.
Enjoyed seeing this old footage which I don't think I've seen before. A pity it wasn't a closer race on the last change over - that would have been interesting! Donna Hartley ran a good leg for Europe, with a really strong finish! Thanks for posting.
No one will disagree that all of these races whether track or swimming won by the East Germans was drug enabled...and even though records found decades later that prove it, these athletes still deny any drug use.
so how come no all white women's team has done well since then except the 88 russians who were juiced also, and the great polish teams of recent years that are usually on the podium behind the usa?
As if a tiny country like East Germany could produce so many gold medal and world record-breaking performances without state sponsored drug cheating. Makes me puke. Irena Szewińska was the best athlete in the World for 10 years 1968-78 but of course never got the success of those that cheated.
@@waynehentley4332 most likely? I was a competing Polish sprinter way back.in the 70s. I never knew who was taking what. Dianobol was available but Szewinska never looked bulky enough. She was natural, after only 3 years of training she would win medals in 1964. Steroids will help you if you are a prodigy, otherwise get yourself a bucketful of steroids and you will clock 9.4 over 100 meters. But I have to say they help, I did 10.4, did that make me a champ? Nope!
@@waynehentley4332 She was winning gold medals at 18 years of age in 1964 so I'm not sure what you mean. As far as Marita Koch is concerned she had a far less bulky physique when she got the world record in Australia in 1985 than she did here, though we know subsequently that there was a systematic drugs programme in the GDR and the allegation was that Marita complained about the small dose of anabolics she was administered.
@@stevebbuk Irena did what she had to do to handle Stecher. Yes she was talented but she improved too much in 1974. She still was my favorite European athlete.
Don't forget, people, both the USSR & USA ran over 8 SECONDS faster than the DDR here in the Seoul Olympics (1988)! The DDR was destroyed in that 1988 race.
The American team should be ashamed of themselves. Not only did they not run well they werent even trying to get the baton off quickly! WHAT you think it doesnt matter how fast you take the baton? The American teams are suposedly to be the most experienced in relays but yet the outgoing runners dont have the common sense to realize the oncoming runner is coming in very tired and slows down the last few steps. Instead of waiting for them they prematurely take off. What like the incoming runner is going to have another kick and catch up to you. Frickin idiots. You all should have been fined $5,000.
The USA women's team was of poor quality in the 1970s. With the arrival of the DDR, there were no gold medals in 1972 or 1976. The Europeans were simply bigger, stronger and better trained.
This is the worst race for the U.S. I have ever seen, can't understand how U.S. was able to send poor performing runners to the one of the most important event, world cup race!
This was the first World Cup and didn't really have the importance of the Olympics. Plus, US women's teams were atrocious in the 70s, barely able to win a couple of minor medals, until Ashford appeared in 1979. Many US athletes retired after an Olympic year, unless they were still in college! They had bills to pay and got no corporate or government assistance!!
Wow Marita koch is awesome, still love watching her all these years later
As a teenager, I was impressed by Koch. But I'm a lot wiser now. East Germany cheated its way to so many gold medals. I look at this now with very very suspicious eyes.
Marita Koch no longer impresses me. Sorry.
Donna Hartley ran very well, and Irina Schewinska was a beautiful, graceful runner.
@@keithf_ many people share your views, but mine will never change.
All the greats , seem to have their image tarnished with drug accusations for this period.
For me Marita was the best over so many distances due to hard work and dedication and would have been a top athlete,
Even if she had or hadn’t been part of the DDR drug program,
Leighton Steven
I don't have respect for Koch, now.
The great Sharron Davies won an Olympic silver medal, beaten by East Germany's Petra Schneider. Years later Schneider developed very serious health problems brought on entirely by the drugs she was administered by the East German state.
As Sharron Davies said so eloquently 'There were two losers in the pool that night. Myself, who won silver, and Petra who won gold'
East Germany cheated, period.
@@keithf_
Hi Keith,
It looks as Sharron will at last be getting her well deserved Gold Medal!
The new head of FINA wants to address the cheating from the past and award medals to those, that missed out due to the drug cheats.
About bloody time...
Paul Kennedy
Thanks for posting, Paul. Its way way too late for all this. Should have happened decades ago, when East Germany was still a state. And I wonder if Sharron Davies will be compensated FINANCIALLY for the revenue she failed to earn by not being an Olympic gold medalist.
... and another thing ... they can think about removing the world records still held by Koch (400 metres women) and Kratochvilova (800 metres women). Both those eastern bloc athletes cheated.
Great run by Donna Hartley. Hadn't seen her for years. Sadly died suddenly aged 58 I now discover
Enjoyed seeing this old footage which I don't think I've seen before. A pity it wasn't a closer race on the last change over - that would have been interesting! Donna Hartley ran a good leg for Europe, with a really strong finish! Thanks for posting.
Love to see Koch and Brehmer run together. AWESOME Video. Thanks!!
G.D.R. the best.
They should test all the frozen samples from the past! Testing is way more advanced now! There be a hell of a lot of gold medals handed back! Lol
Agreed, 💯%
There's no reason why they can't or shouldn't.
Like you said, the advanced testing and reanalysis, is possible...
If they did that you would find many others not from East Germany, who are above suspicion. Be careful what you wish for.
No, they only bust Canadians like Ben Johnson.
They should test all the frozen samples from the past! Testing is way more advanced now! There be a hell of a lot of gold medals handed back!
Absolutely!!
Along with the Americans and Jamaican athletes of today
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Grande Buttiglieri in prima frazione per la rappresentativa dell'Europa.
No one will disagree that all of these races whether track or swimming won by the East Germans was drug enabled...and even though records found decades later that prove it, these athletes still deny any drug use.
so how come no all white women's team has done well since then except the 88 russians who were juiced also, and the great polish teams of recent years that are usually on the podium behind the usa?
@@ndspeedster noone juices like the us
As if a tiny country like East Germany could produce so many gold medal and world record-breaking performances without state sponsored drug cheating. Makes me puke. Irena Szewińska was the best athlete in the World for 10 years 1968-78 but of course never got the success of those that cheated.
Irena most likely doped. Look at her improvement in 1974. She's much loved and may she RIP.
@@waynehentley4332 most likely? I was a competing Polish sprinter way back.in the 70s. I never knew who was taking what. Dianobol was available but Szewinska never looked bulky enough. She was natural, after only 3 years of training she would win medals in 1964. Steroids will help you if you are a prodigy, otherwise get yourself a bucketful of steroids and you will clock 9.4 over 100 meters. But I have to say they help, I did 10.4, did that make me a champ? Nope!
@@waynehentley4332 She was winning gold medals at 18 years of age in 1964 so I'm not sure what you mean. As far as Marita Koch is concerned she had a far less bulky physique when she got the world record in Australia in 1985 than she did here, though we know subsequently that there was a systematic drugs programme in the GDR and the allegation was that Marita complained about the small dose of anabolics she was administered.
@@stevebbuk Irena did what she had to do to handle Stecher. Yes she was talented but she improved too much in 1974. She still was my favorite European athlete.
@@harttsteen9128 Steroids don't make everyone bulky. Look at Gohr, Kondratyeva, Drechsler.
Irena Szewińska
When the real
Winner came in 4th the real girls go Oceania
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Don't forget, people, both the USSR & USA ran over 8 SECONDS faster than the DDR here in the Seoul Olympics (1988)! The DDR was destroyed in that 1988 race.
Aaah my beautiful East German women win again, they are so dominant
Marita KOCH….that’s an appropriate last name.
The Eastern Bloc men could not duplicate what their women were doing.
That's how We know it's doping. cus it works differently in Men and Women.
I think simply "Europe" would've sounded a lot better than "the rest of Europe".
who coached the USA...looked like they were passing the baton in a 2 mile relay...wtf...slow 2nd....3rd and 4th legs....weird!
The American team should be ashamed of themselves. Not only did they not run well they werent even trying to get the baton off quickly! WHAT you think it doesnt matter how fast you take the baton? The American teams are suposedly to be the most experienced in relays but yet the outgoing runners dont have the common sense to realize the oncoming runner is coming in very tired and slows down the last few steps. Instead of waiting for them they prematurely take off. What like the incoming runner is going to have another kick and catch up to you. Frickin idiots. You all should have been fined $5,000.
@@bear1568 What do you expect from people with low IQs
The USA women's team was of poor quality in the 1970s. With the arrival of the DDR, there were no gold medals in 1972 or 1976. The Europeans were simply bigger, stronger and better trained.
Right? Most of the good Americans used to retire after an Olympic year to find a job. They had bills to pay!!😀😀
All the drugs cheats should give their medals back!
Agreed but it's easier said than done unfortunately.
Why would anyone do that... to do that means to live life with no regrets.... how boring life would be then, no regrets
@1980fhhs ashford was their only good athlete at the time apart from kate schmit in t javelin!
You forgot Kathy McMillan, long jumper (22' 3" as a HS senior in '76).
@@kurtfrancis4621 Great in 1976. Not so good in 1980. Tried a comeback in 1984 but didn't make the team.
Ashford didn't get really good till 1979.
This is the worst race for the U.S. I have ever seen, can't understand how U.S. was able to send poor performing runners to the one of the most important event, world cup race!
This was the first World Cup and didn't really have the importance of the Olympics. Plus, US women's teams were atrocious in the 70s, barely able to win a couple of minor medals, until Ashford appeared in 1979. Many US athletes retired after an Olympic year, unless they were still in college! They had bills to pay and got no corporate or government assistance!!
oral turnabol team
Ma quale doping?..gli Stati Uniti guardassero a casa loro...
Ja ja mit Doping lässt sich gut schnell laufen
3rd Soviet union , 2nd Europe 1st druggies
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