Marita Koch was the best athlete in the world since she was 16 years. Her carrier was long and glorious, with 30 world records, unlike Flo Jo who from 5-6 places sprung to records and diasappeared in 6 months, and died later.
PED's or not, this is one of the most prodigious athletic feats I've ever seen in my life. Male or female. I remember watching this broadcast on ABC. I was only 10, but I will never forget it. Yes, she was from the GDR and she absolutely doped, but that still does not take away how impressive this run is. Her training regimen was brutal, the OT just allowed her push through her punishing work-outs. Even if Allyson Felix were go to the darkside, I don't think she could approach this time. Bryzgina surely doped, ran the race of life and still got beat by five meters. This record will stand forever. By the way, where on earth did you find this?
You think so huh? You're going to need more than drugs to beat that time. Most of her competitors were on a strict doping regimen also and they were still getting smoked by 10 to 15 meters. If you can get down to under 51 seconds by the time you're 18, maybe you have a shot.
I think the record could be broken. But not for some time. We seem to see too many finals won with 49-something seconds on the clock. And people are usually happy with that. Not since Perec and Freeman at Atlanta have women come anywhere close to within a second of Koch's time. And I know Freeman's time was 48.63, compared to Koch's 47.60. But it was a good run.
I'll be probably be dead by the time that happens. I don't think people fully comprehend how fast that time is. She went the first 200 in 22.4. You know how absurd that is. Two crowd obviously knew there were seeing something unusual judging from the gasps. I got an autograph from an Olympian that ran against Koch and she told me flat out, no female sprinter will be able to top that time even if they doped. You can't just use PED's and you'll automatically run faster. You have to take full advantage of what the drugs can do for you and no athlete did that better than Koch. People don't realize that these athletes are already at an elite level. Koch would probably have won without the drugs. All those European Championships she won, she was running against other juiced up runners and the gap between her and everyone else was freakish.
I think it is reasonable that some lady will defy the typical 48 second winning runs and do a special 46-point-something time. Probably something in the low 47 second time. A 22 second first 200, and then a 24-something-second next 200. Not out of the ordinary for some female athlete to do.
Any honest athlete will tell you that they were all juiced up back then. Just as any honest athlete will tell you that they are all juiced up even today. If all the field was clean, inc Koch, she would have STILL been pulverising these fields. A once in a lifetime athlete. Probably the GOAT.
And last season the world championship when the woman ran 48.1. and then a allege ban provisional for allegedly missing testing the same as the 100m men champion so disappointing , to give a message of missing testing . which we await the outcome of the investigation.
It's a good thing Marita had all those other runners "pushing" her to a fast time. Good Lord, with the exception of Lane 1 (Vladykina who actually won the 1988 400 gold), there wasn't anyone within 50 yards of her.
This clip captures the moment wonderfully. At the time, there wasn't much talk of drugs. We were just in awe of the dominance and bravery of her run. Also, Kathrine Switzer was spot on with her analysis. It was indeed a pity that Vladykina was in lane 1. That world record will go one day, but I don't think we'll ever see another woman clock 48.27 from lane 1!
How can you marvel in this like its greatness?? Out out ALL steroid records in every sport this has to be at the Top...no woman is coming anywhere close to this if their clean! No respect at all .koch=cheat
@@thetrackstar215 I don't disagree with you, I was just saying that at the time, not so many people saw it that way. I feel differently now, of course.
@@thetrackstar215 I agree....Just look at the women records from this era. I really think they should think about removing them at this point. I didn't always think that way but they are so far out of reach that it might be unfair to today's women.
As of 2015 - In 30 years, no other female 400m runner has broken 48 seconds. The last time someone ran under 49 seconds was in 2009, by Sanya Richards Ross, who dominated her event for the best part of a decade. That time in 2009 was 48.83, still well over a second slower than Koch’s WR. In 2014, only two women broke the 50 second barrier. Interesting thought.
@@richardgallimore5976 Salwa Eid Naser is incredible. I just hope she's clean because it would break my heart to find out in 15 years if she wasn't, ya know?
@@milenwomack5105 Eh, maybe I'm pessimistic, but I just kind of assume everyone at the top is on something. With this assumption though it doesn't take away from how great someone is, if everyone is on something and someone wins they are the best, no different than if everyone was clean and the best person wins.
Yeah I understand where you are coming from, it is hard not to be pessimistic. At the same time if everyone was still doping I feel like someone would have invented some type of drug that is undetectable in 25+ years that better than what Koch was taking in the early 80's. It's incredible that no one had beaten her mark in so long...
The way she was passing runners on the stagger it was like Steve Austin. If you saw the mixed 400m relay final the other day where the poles had females on the last two legs and the males powered past them, it was like that.
Sus marcas dignas de una diosa olímpica las fue logrando poco a poco a diferencia de otras ella las hizo sin trampa es la más grande de todos los tiempos
A 13.46 sec final 100m does not seem all that out of the ordinary. Run your arse off for 300m in 34 seconds. Then do 13 seconds for the final 100m. Seems like a tactic that can pay off.
Marita ran WR's ranging from 50m, 60m, 100m, 100yds, 200m, 220yds, 300m, 400m, 4x100m and 4x400m. No one else in history, male or female, has held WRs over all those ranges. For comparison, Bolt didn't have the speed endurance for 400m and Johnson did have the power for 100m or lower. You're watching God run here - Marita is the fastest and most versatile sprinter who has ever lived, GOAT hardly even begins to do her justice.
@@ohhiitsjustme3445 They would have been another 2 years away, when she was 31. She already had OG @ 400m from 1980 so she did what few athletes ever do, bowed out while she was still at the very top.
@Antonio Woo I am a Bolt fan too :) In last 34 years only one woman was able to run 1second close to Marita Koch world record. xDD That is a good man time today xD
Este clip captura el momento maravillosamente. En ese momento, no se hablaba mucho de drogas. Estábamos maravillados del dominio y la valentía de su carrera. Además, Kathrine Switzer fue acertada con su análisis. Fue realmente una lástima que Vladykina estuviera en el carril 1. Ese récord mundial será un día, ¡pero no creo que veamos otro reloj femenino 48.27 desde el carril 1!
In weightlifting, world records and weight classes have been periodically cleared and reset when there was cause to believe that the sport as a whole was systematically corrupted by drugs even if individual athletes had never failed a drug test. Marita Koch's record and jarmila kratochvilova's should be expunged.
Yeah but we should remember the "Best time under any circumstances" still. Just to see when we can break them still, as they do in weightlifting. I don't know any weightlifting fans that care about the 2018+ WRs, they only care if those new WRs are above the old ones in roughly the same weight classes, as do the lifters.
The GDR had the best know-how, the best training conditions, the best sports promotion. Pushing it only on doping is too cheap. These talented athletes like Marita Koch, the largest of them
If all the East German women were all doped up to the heavens why are only three East German athletes in the best 25 times. Shouldn't they be dominating the best times?
That race was a thing of beauty. She gave it her all to get that time and was dying in that last 30m. She stayed quite feminine for a supposed juicer. It was great to see her and Flo-Jos' stride length and power increasing as they both peaked respectively. For someone who is mainly suspected of doping because of her performances, I say she she's as clean or dirty as any other athlete who never tested positive; and therefore it's her talent that makes her the greatest sprinter of all time.
A number of drug apologists speak of the ‘hard work' done by Marita and others, not realising that the ability to manage an extreme physical regime is a 'give way' sign of substance abuse. That’s how they build up strength without having to quit training sessions.
The drugs were what made the training and hard work possible. If everyone was "juiced" then that puts them on an equal playing field... In which case, Marita Koch was an amazing athlete who stood out as an incredible woman. Others, including Kratochvilova were also amazing athletes. Same goes for Flo Jo 3 years after this event when she tore up the record books in 88.
I agree....Just look at the women records from this era. I really think they should think about removing them at this point. I didn't always think that way but they are so far out of reach that it might be unfair to today's women to even dream about breaking them.
I would agree with you if you if you are statement was backed up with facts you said everyone was juiced that's just not true tell me the date kock tested positive.... And you mentioned flojo.. tell me the drug flojo was on by name if you can't do that you should not connect their names with drugs... Only thing you can say is that they ran fast.... I mean just think about what I'm saying...
@@sinsin1697 erm, you may have miss-read my words... I said "if" everyone was juiced, and thus on an equal footing, and therefore, Koch (And Flo Jo) are amazing athletes who were simply brilliant and better than the rest.
@@andisoshal3715 yeah I see what you're saying now.. it's just that me myself I am a national champion and I know what it takes to be in national champion on a master level and a collegiate level.. and just to hear so many people( not you ) but to hear so many people mostly non-americans.. bash flojo as if she did something wrong the only thing she did was run fast man I know what it takes to be a national champion and it's something serious but to be a icon like flojo I could imagine what she brought her body through to have all of that work drug in the dirt without proof ...just hit a nerve every time.. so maybe I did jump the gun and I apologize
if he had enormous capacity to establish intermediate marks 100 and 200 (between 1979 and 1986 he ran 5 times below the 22, between those years only 2 athletes and only once) of there is his capacity in 400 meters
@@darrenshaw767 see like you right now. You begging for attention... Did you think this woman was drug to the eyeballs as you would say.. non-american ass terminology... Did you think she was drugged before you looked her up and you still looked her up... You still watched her race about four times. Now you're making a dumbass comment looking for attention like a child... See how entertaining you for a little bit.. but I know how to shut you up..
Exactly. She suddenly “vanished” from the 2000 Sydney Games, mid competition, with zero explanation! Most likely knew she was about to, or did fail a random drug test, and didn’t want her reputation ruined
she was coached by koch's husband at the very end of her carrer , in 2000 and get no result with him... and the btw he she failed a radom drug test it obviously would have been known...
@@Mortimer71 okay now stand on your word like a man... You have just drug this woman name through the dirt.. prove what you saying..... Tell me the date this woman failed the drug test because of oral turnabol.. tell me the date she faced the panel and tell me her suspension
@That One Koch was on drugs. They found a letter she wrote complaining to the authorities that her teammate was being given more drugs than whe was given. And they have found Stassi records of her doping regimen in writing. Americans are taking drugs too. I love FloJo until i read she was doping and was greatly disappointed in her. My god you can not win if you dont dope. So I just can not watch most sports today. Thats why i love to go back and watch Jessie Ownes, Billy Mills and others that were not doping.
@@miguelsuradevi8643 man when you mention flojo let's talk facts... That rumors and speculation all of that equals ignorance tell me the name of the drug flojo was on tell me the date the panel she had to face.. tell me the length of her suspension... Don't throw dirt on a deceased woman's name without facts
So many underachievers in the comments it's crazy..that's what you took time out of your day to do look up this video just to bash this woman with no evidence at all no proof... Bunch of weirdos
Unless this race we would see Kratochvilova today as a world record holder on 400 and 800 metres. But do not forget that Olympic record holder is still a Soviet athlete. 41 year already!
No national flags for that meet. Like, not in medal presentations and not in any other formal proceedings. Completely over the head of every drongo in the world, but I noted that. I don't know what that was all about, whether someone decided to test such a format or whether it was a Soviet Bloc stipulation or someone's idea to reassure the Soviet Bloc of ' neutrality ', but it was a response to the boycotts of Moscow, 1980 and Los Angeles, 1984. But nothing much, if anything, ever came of it. But it did not seem to deter Marita Koch or the East Germans, and the crowd attendances look healthy.
The Eastern Europeans were so disappointed at missing out on Los Angeles 1984 that they overcompensated for this meet, as we subsequently know with a systematic government-backed doping programme.
@@artsed08 welp....they're not going away, they'll always be there. the 2nd best time or the 3rd best time, or "the record that stood for 35 years" type thing. They're not going anywhere bub.
why is it brillant to watch if is mega-drug assisted? i dont get it. Its cheating. Its not legal. Its not fun or brillant to watch. Like watching the Mexican fighter knock out his opponent with steel in his gloves. Wow it looked great but he cheated.
@@miguelsuradevi8643 It was mega cos no woman has run near that time since,, that's why.... Drug assisted or not and remember she was never caught cheating lmao
Nothing changed since then. We didn’t know hat they were using chemicals. Now we all know that No athlete of 21st century runs without chemicals! So simple!
Thirty four years later nobody has got anywhere near this time. She was half a man when she set it. It should be expunged (as should any world best set by Kratochvilova). Eid Naser should be the world record holder.
Eid Naser may be doping. Naser was previously coached by Bulgarian Yanko Bratanov, one of whose athletes Kemi Adekoya was banned for four years earlier this year Where there is smoke there is fire. Just saying
Amazing what PEDS can do to an athlete. No other women's 400m runner has ever come close to a doped Marita Koch in 1985 with her 47.60 sec. That's a staggering 35 years. The sports authorities should seriously consider wiping out or erasing all world records in athletics before the implementation of more stringent doping tests from year 2000. Even the present winning time for the women's 400 metres at the Rio Olympics set by Shaunae Miller of the Bahamas stands at 49.44s. That's a staggering 1.8 seconds behind Koch's! Shocking.
Are you so naive that you don't realise it's a level playing field? The best are the best no matter juiced or not. Bolt, Marita, Shelly, MJ, Elaine, Flo Jo.
@@barath4545 I remember both very well. But there is no scientific advantage for any lane in the 100 meters because there is no curve. And when Wayde won the 400 in Rio, it might've actually been an advantage to run in lane 8 because he ran blind and just let loose, but also he didn't have to run the tight curve. Lane 1 and 2 are the worst lanes for the 200 and 400. I think that's what makes this world record even that much more amazing.
Lane assignments were random until around 1990. Now they are seeded according to the semi-final results, and lane one is now often left empty for the 200 and 400. Although many runners don't like the outside lane, there is no actual evidence for it being a disadvantage.
I feel the true 400m world record is that by Marie Jose Perec. 48.25 in Atlanta 1996. Flo Jo's records also need to be deleted as they were blatantly due to drugs. The fact its been 31 years and the closest anyone has got to her 100m of 10.49 is 10.64 and the closest anyone has gotten to her 200m of 21.34 is 21.63 speaks volumes. Flojo = biggest athletics drugs cheat of all time!!!
@cjwoot half-truth is worse than no truth.. do you realize the race after Flo-Jo dazzled the world with 10.49 ...was won by Sheila echoes was wind was 0 as well.. do you realize that a heat in the men's 100 at that track meet was -.7 ......half-truth is worse than no truth man tell the whole truth.. the race talkin about what Carl Lewis was the next day... When she ran a wind-legal 10.61 get your facts straight...
Unlike Flo Jo who was an average sprinter all her life, and "bloomed" for 6 months, Marita Koch broke every world record since she was junior in all distances, had a long fantastic career, and lives a healthy life.
Il momento più umiliante per l'immagine dell'atletica moderna. Era palese l'intervento pesante e scorretto su un'atleta donna per forzare i limiti della natura. Già la Kratochvilova presentava un assetto fisico al limite dell'accettabile che le permise di stabilire due record mondiali indoor e outdoor, il primo battuto solo dopo 40 anni dalla talentuosa olandese Femke Bol, e il secondo che avrebbe resistito ancora oggi se la DDR non avesse messo in campo un'atleta di spicco ma superdopata per cercare di risollevare la propria immagine internazionale durante quegli anni di temuta crisi sociopolitica al suo interno. Quel primato assurdo per quei tempi stabilito a Camberra avrebbe dovuto essere invalidato dal CIO pochi anni più tardi, tanto sarebbe rimasto imbattutto ancora oggi il 47.99 della cecoslovacca ma se non altro più avvicinabile.
This WR will only ever fall if the IAAF let someone drive a lap in a car. IAAF ratifier: "Did that look legal to you"? IAAF President: "Um ..." IAAF ratifier: "An um is good enough for me. 47.59 ratified"
On one point I agree with you she was awesome I showed my mom her picture and I asked the question do this woman look like she's on steroids my mom said no within two seconds I mean look at her body the woman was just fast damn
How can you glorify such outrageous CHEATING. It's disgusting. And to to be able to still be able to keep the record after all these years. It's just plain WRONG
Marita Koch was the best athlete in the world since she was 16 years. Her carrier was long and glorious, with 30 world records, unlike Flo Jo who from 5-6 places sprung to records and diasappeared in 6 months, and died later.
PED's or not, this is one of the most prodigious athletic feats I've ever seen in my life. Male or female. I remember watching this broadcast on ABC. I was only 10, but I will never forget it. Yes, she was from the GDR and she absolutely doped, but that still does not take away how impressive this run is. Her training regimen was brutal, the OT just allowed her push through her punishing work-outs. Even if Allyson Felix were go to the darkside, I don't think she could approach this time. Bryzgina surely doped, ran the race of life and still got beat by five meters. This record will stand forever.
By the way, where on earth did you find this?
You think so huh? You're going to need more than drugs to beat that time. Most of her competitors were on a strict doping regimen also and they were still getting smoked by 10 to 15 meters. If you can get down to under 51 seconds by the time you're 18, maybe you have a shot.
I think the record could be broken. But not for some time. We seem to see too many finals won with 49-something seconds on the clock. And people are usually happy with that. Not since Perec and Freeman at Atlanta have women come anywhere close to within a second of Koch's time. And I know Freeman's time was 48.63, compared to Koch's 47.60. But it was a good run.
I'll be probably be dead by the time that happens. I don't think people fully comprehend how fast that time is. She went the first 200 in 22.4. You know how absurd that is. Two crowd obviously knew there were seeing something unusual judging from the gasps.
I got an autograph from an Olympian that ran against Koch and she told me flat out, no female sprinter will be able to top that time even if they doped. You can't just use PED's and you'll automatically run faster. You have to take full advantage of what the drugs can do for you and no athlete did that better than Koch. People don't realize that these athletes are already at an elite level. Koch would probably have won without the drugs. All those European Championships she won, she was running against other juiced up runners and the gap between her and everyone else was freakish.
Michael Johnson has suggested that if Marita lives to be 100 years old she will still hold the Women's 400m WR.
I think it is reasonable that some lady will defy the typical 48 second winning runs and do a special 46-point-something time. Probably something in the low 47 second time. A 22 second first 200, and then a 24-something-second next 200. Not out of the ordinary for some female athlete to do.
Marita is the best sprinter of all time
Any honest athlete will tell you that they were all juiced up back then. Just as any honest athlete will tell you that they are all juiced up even today. If all the field was clean, inc Koch, she would have STILL been pulverising these fields. A once in a lifetime athlete. Probably the GOAT.
@Pano Tak Idiots!!!
Absolutely.
They use even much much better drugs today and there are plenty of them
correct. When someone said to me they suspected Bolt was on drugs my reply was that so were others - and he's STILL the best of all of them
@@MrStevecro All the other Jamaicans were on drugs, so it's 100% fair to say that he was on them too.
I was actually there! I was at University in Canberra. I thought it was unbelievable at the time...I was right.
Unbelievable indeed
And last season the world championship when the woman ran 48.1. and then a allege ban provisional for allegedly missing testing the same as the 100m men champion so disappointing , to give a message of missing testing . which we await the outcome of the investigation.
@@redd605 Unbanned = swept under the carpet. Watch this ruclips.net/video/ey7P3DzFiAY/видео.html
It's a good thing Marita had all those other runners "pushing" her to a fast time.
Good Lord, with the exception of Lane 1 (Vladykina who actually won the 1988 400 gold), there wasn't anyone within 50 yards of her.
I was blessed to be there to watch Marita Koch. Her performance put chills down my spine.
She is my hero!
A drug cheat is you're hero
@@TheRealMike1976 And you think everyone else is clean lol.
@@TheRealMike1976 ,,,,,, spot on !
@@user-ui6kv2np8i ,,,,,, Koch was clean by Stasi - LOL !!!!!
@@woodyjagla328 And Woods and many others were clean a 'number' of times by the CIA, obviously.
here after Eid Naser run 48,14....
Same. First time I've seen this. She ran the first 200m faster then and majority of elite women 200m runners in a 200m race. Yeah right
same
I am doubtful of Naser. She's got the afraid little girl look. And she's Nigerian.
@@couch.patati-patata Born near Lagos as Ebelechukwu Agbapuonwu, to a Nigerian mother and Bahraini father.
@@sof5858 She was also no.1 in 200m.
This clip captures the moment wonderfully. At the time, there wasn't much talk of drugs. We were just in awe of the dominance and bravery of her run. Also, Kathrine Switzer was spot on with her analysis. It was indeed a pity that Vladykina was in lane 1. That world record will go one day, but I don't think we'll ever see another woman clock 48.27 from lane 1!
Vladykina was o drugs too
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE POR OF THAT TECHNICAL CAREER ANALYSIS
How can you marvel in this like its greatness?? Out out ALL steroid records in every sport this has to be at the Top...no woman is coming anywhere close to this if their clean! No respect at all .koch=cheat
@@thetrackstar215 I don't disagree with you, I was just saying that at the time, not so many people saw it that way. I feel differently now, of course.
@@thetrackstar215 I agree....Just look at the women records from this era. I really think they should think about removing them at this point. I didn't always think that way but they are so far out of reach that it might be unfair to today's women.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they discovered that the building contractors only made the lap 390 meters !!.
I was there with my mum and girlfriend...it gave me goosebumps, even though we know the truth from the Stasi files now
As of 2015 - In 30 years, no other female 400m runner has broken 48 seconds. The last time someone ran under 49 seconds was in 2009, by Sanya Richards Ross, who dominated her event for the best part of a decade. That time in 2009 was 48.83, still well over a second slower than Koch’s WR. In 2014, only two women broke the 50 second barrier. Interesting thought.
Time to watch 2019 Doha race and update this again xD
@@richardgallimore5976 Salwa Eid Naser is incredible. I just hope she's clean because it would break my heart to find out in 15 years if she wasn't, ya know?
@@milenwomack5105 Eh, maybe I'm pessimistic, but I just kind of assume everyone at the top is on something. With this assumption though it doesn't take away from how great someone is, if everyone is on something and someone wins they are the best, no different than if everyone was clean and the best person wins.
Yeah I understand where you are coming from, it is hard not to be pessimistic. At the same time if everyone was still doping I feel like someone would have invented some type of drug that is undetectable in 25+ years that better than what Koch was taking in the early 80's. It's incredible that no one had beaten her mark in so long...
The way she was passing runners on the stagger it was like Steve Austin. If you saw the mixed 400m relay final the other day where the poles had females on the last two legs and the males powered past them, it was like that.
*Poles
Sus marcas dignas de una diosa olímpica las fue logrando poco a poco a diferencia de otras ella las hizo sin trampa es la más grande de todos los tiempos
that was a fast first 200 meters!
By comparison, the other runners were jogging the first 200. Only one athlete put up the challenge to Marita.
34.14 for first 300m is absolutely insane. Nobody has come close even running only 300m.
A 13.46 sec final 100m does not seem all that out of the ordinary. Run your arse off for 300m in 34 seconds. Then do 13 seconds for the final 100m. Seems like a tactic that can pay off.
@Huńt3r is that a proven fact... Tell me the date she fell a drug test and faced the panel and she was served the suspension what was that date
Marita ran WR's ranging from 50m, 60m, 100m, 100yds, 200m, 220yds, 300m, 400m, 4x100m and 4x400m. No one else in history, male or female, has held WRs over all those ranges.
For comparison, Bolt didn't have the speed endurance for 400m and Johnson did have the power for 100m or lower.
You're watching God run here - Marita is the fastest and most versatile sprinter who has ever lived, GOAT hardly even begins to do her justice.
I kind of agree with you! I just wish she would have stayed for the ‘88 Olympics and won the 400m
@@ohhiitsjustme3445 They would have been another 2 years away, when she was 31.
She already had OG @ 400m from 1980 so she did what few athletes ever do, bowed out while she was still at the very top.
Marita Koch was a druggie…..She was a part of the East German drug program….Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bravo Marita Koch, quelle course!!! Quelles belles sensations vous avez dû éprouver. Bravo aussi à la deuxième.
Nobody will beat this record in our life! The strongest world record in any sports.
@Antonio Woo I am a Bolt fan too :) In last 34 years only one woman was able to run 1second close to Marita Koch world record. xDD That is a good man time today xD
@Antonio Woo This record will not be broken in our life time.
@@HoratioFitzbastard After watching Salwa Eid Naser, it may be broken after all
@@muha8598 Possibly....Never thought i would see a woman run that quick and she's young!
@Antonio Woo why are you comparing men and women's sprints ? that's stupid
#2 in the 400m Vladykina is anchor runner of standing wr in 4x400 (set at 1988 Olympics) as Olha Bryzgina, her married name.
And the Soviet lady, who came second, still has the fifth result of all time, with that run (as of October 2019).
And never again will there be anyone running 48.27s from lane 1.
Este clip captura el momento maravillosamente. En ese momento, no se hablaba mucho de drogas. Estábamos maravillados del dominio y la valentía de su carrera. Además, Kathrine Switzer fue acertada con su análisis. Fue realmente una lástima que Vladykina estuviera en el carril 1. Ese récord mundial será un día, ¡pero no creo que veamos otro reloj femenino 48.27 desde el carril 1!
ME GUSTARIA ENTENDER EL POR DE ESE ANALISIS TECNICO DE LA CARRERA
@@orlandoduran9850 me gustaría entender porque escribís en mayúsculas.... 👎👎
Well damn Kratochvilova, clearly she was off her ‘roids here!
In weightlifting, world records and weight classes have been periodically cleared and reset when there was cause to believe that the sport as a whole was systematically corrupted by drugs even if individual athletes had never failed a drug test. Marita Koch's record and jarmila kratochvilova's should be expunged.
Flo Jo's too
So is Kristin Otto's 1988 Olympic swimming gold
Yeah but we should remember the "Best time under any circumstances" still.
Just to see when we can break them still, as they do in weightlifting.
I don't know any weightlifting fans that care about the 2018+ WRs, they only care if those new WRs are above the old ones in roughly the same weight classes, as do the lifters.
The GDR had the best know-how, the best training conditions, the best sports promotion. Pushing it only on doping is too cheap. These talented athletes like Marita Koch, the largest of them
If all the East German women were all doped up to the heavens why are only three East German athletes in the best 25 times. Shouldn't they be dominating the best times?
After this record she smiles lime jogging in tha park. Ridicolous....she was filled like a wine's bottle
Many criticize Koch for doping, but why doesn't Sebastian Coe, who recorded the same impossible time at the same time, criticize it?
That race was a thing of beauty. She gave it her all to get that time and was dying in that last 30m. She stayed quite feminine for a supposed juicer. It was great to see her and Flo-Jos' stride length and power increasing as they both peaked respectively.
For someone who is mainly suspected of doping because of her performances, I say she she's as clean or dirty as any other athlete who never tested positive; and therefore it's her talent that makes her the greatest sprinter of all time.
A number of drug apologists speak of the ‘hard work' done by Marita and others, not realising that the ability to manage an extreme physical regime is a 'give way' sign of substance abuse. That’s how they build up strength without having to quit training sessions.
The drugs were what made the training and hard work possible. If everyone was "juiced" then that puts them on an equal playing field... In which case, Marita Koch was an amazing athlete who stood out as an incredible woman. Others, including Kratochvilova were also amazing athletes. Same goes for Flo Jo 3 years after this event when she tore up the record books in 88.
I agree....Just look at the women records from this era. I really think they should think about removing them at this point. I didn't always think that way but they are so far out of reach that it might be unfair to today's women to even dream about breaking them.
I would agree with you if you if you are statement was backed up with facts you said everyone was juiced that's just not true tell me the date kock tested positive.... And you mentioned flojo.. tell me the drug flojo was on by name if you can't do that you should not connect their names with drugs... Only thing you can say is that they ran fast.... I mean just think about what I'm saying...
@@sinsin1697 erm, you may have miss-read my words... I said "if" everyone was juiced, and thus on an equal footing, and therefore, Koch (And Flo Jo) are amazing athletes who were simply brilliant and better than the rest.
@@andisoshal3715 yeah I see what you're saying now.. it's just that me myself I am a national champion and I know what it takes to be in national champion on a master level and a collegiate level.. and just to hear so many people( not you ) but to hear so many people mostly non-americans.. bash flojo as if she did something wrong the only thing she did was run fast man I know what it takes to be a national champion and it's something serious but to be a icon like flojo I could imagine what she brought her body through to have all of that work drug in the dirt without proof ...just hit a nerve every time.. so maybe I did jump the gun and I apologize
The 1980s was a decade of the absurd in T&F. No one could claim these records are legit and keep a straight face, except the IAAF and IOC.
They are the records. Get over it..
Women’s 100, 200, 400, 800 records set in the 'Easy 80s' still stand today! The Authorities must be embarrassed by that, every year that passes.
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Incredible performance, I remember watching it on TV at the time. Pity she was on the juice.
she sprinted to the stadium weight room & bench pressed
550lbs
Really?
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one handed!
i am kidding
What was the actual drug that Koch was on? Does anyone know the particular drug she was using?
Testosterone
she runs on tiptoe...all four hundred meters
as a good runner should do, gives a great advance over flat-foot runners
@@64fairlane305: no good runner runs on tip-toes. A good runner has impecable dorsiflexion
@@MrStevecro Aha, so Maria wasn't a good runner
Marita Koch 400m 47.60 DAMN!! That's better than most men!! Unbelievable!! You are totally AWESOME GIRL!!
if he had enormous capacity to establish intermediate marks 100 and 200 (between 1979 and 1986 he ran 5 times below the 22, between those years only 2 athletes and only once) of there is his capacity in 400 meters
I think this woman was the greatest 400 meter runner in history just a fact female anyway... She was just awesome
@@sinsin1697 and drugged upto the eyeballs.
@@darrenshaw767 see like you right now. You begging for attention... Did you think this woman was drug to the eyeballs as you would say.. non-american ass terminology... Did you think she was drugged before you looked her up and you still looked her up... You still watched her race about four times. Now you're making a dumbass comment looking for attention like a child... See how entertaining you for a little bit.. but I know how to shut you up..
@@darrenshaw767 okay Darren Darren Darren again... Did you inject this woman with drugs...
In response to the claim Perec was clean, she was coached by Koch's husband and former coach, so unlikely.
Exactly. She suddenly “vanished” from the 2000 Sydney Games, mid competition, with zero explanation! Most likely knew she was about to, or did fail a random drug test, and didn’t want her reputation ruined
she was coached by koch's husband at the very end of her carrer , in 2000 and get no result with him... and the btw he she failed a radom drug test it obviously would have been known...
Oral-Turinabol
Is that a proven fact tell me the date she had to face a panel and they concluded she took oral tuinahol... Please inform me and I'm very serious
And your stupid ass got silent.... So you throw rocks and hide your hands... It's been one whole week.. Sad ass
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@@Mortimer71 okay now stand on your word like a man... You have just drug this woman name through the dirt.. prove what you saying..... Tell me the date this woman failed the drug test because of oral turnabol.. tell me the date she faced the panel and tell me her suspension
@@sinsin1697 de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marita_Koch
And the North-americans believe their athletes were clean LOL
siehe griffith joyner.
@That One Koch was on drugs. They found a letter she wrote complaining to the authorities that her teammate was being given more drugs than whe was given. And they have found Stassi records of her doping regimen in writing. Americans are taking drugs too. I love FloJo until i read she was doping and was greatly disappointed in her. My god you can not win if you dont dope. So I just can not watch most sports today. Thats why i love to go back and watch Jessie Ownes, Billy Mills and others that were not doping.
of course, they are the only ones clean out there.
@That One okay American tell me the drug flojo was on by name
@@miguelsuradevi8643 man when you mention flojo let's talk facts... That rumors and speculation all of that equals ignorance tell me the name of the drug flojo was on tell me the date the panel she had to face.. tell me the length of her suspension... Don't throw dirt on a deceased woman's name without facts
Drugs are amazing
honestly man you sound like an underachiever sound like you just upset this woman faster than you faster than you have ever been in your life...
So many underachievers in the comments it's crazy..that's what you took time out of your day to do look up this video just to bash this woman with no evidence at all no proof... Bunch of weirdos
@@DCOM20. you're a weirdo... Nothing to even talk about with you... You get your cakes busted.. your cheeks are sore
Unless this race we would see Kratochvilova today as a world record holder on 400 and 800 metres. But do not forget that Olympic record holder is still a Soviet athlete. 41 year already!
Right so that's the men's race. When does the woman's race start?.
4:05 he says she's not getting older, she getting better...i think he meant the DRUGS ARE GETTING BETTER
No national flags for that meet. Like, not in medal presentations and not in any other formal proceedings. Completely over the head of every drongo in the world, but I noted that. I don't know what that was all about, whether someone decided to test such a format or whether it was a Soviet Bloc stipulation or someone's idea to reassure the Soviet Bloc of ' neutrality ', but it was a response to the boycotts of Moscow, 1980 and Los Angeles, 1984. But nothing much, if anything, ever came of it. But it did not seem to deter Marita Koch or the East Germans, and the crowd attendances look healthy.
Это был великий бег...
It was a great run ... a fantastic race, amazing.
,,,,,, LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She’s the Mozart of women’s sprinting!
The Eastern Europeans were so disappointed at missing out on Los Angeles 1984 that they overcompensated for this meet, as we subsequently know with a systematic government-backed doping programme.
yeah, except that program you reference started as mandatory back in 1974.
Just because the Soviet doping ship was denied entry into Los Angeles port.
@@torbenm2375: the eastern block countries formally boycotted LA as the Americans boycotted Moscow just 4 years earlier
They were just the best
This stain will be removed from the record books in 2019 or 2020.
no it won't...it's stood for 35 years and will continue to stand fuck nut
Yeah, hoping for a really hard track in Tokyo and fast times... It's time these ridiculous East German records were erased forever.
Probably Naser will clean that stain next year.
@@artsed08 welp....they're not going away, they'll always be there. the 2nd best time or the 3rd best time, or "the record that stood for 35 years" type thing. They're not going anywhere bub.
I'm sure Naser dopes too.
I know it's mega drug assisted but wow....Still brilliant to watch though lol!!
why is it brillant to watch if is mega-drug assisted? i dont get it. Its cheating. Its not legal. Its not fun or brillant to watch. Like watching the Mexican fighter knock out his opponent with steel in his gloves. Wow it looked great but he cheated.
@@miguelsuradevi8643 It was mega cos no woman has run near that time since,, that's why.... Drug assisted or not and remember she was never caught cheating lmao
All american girls there was winning later against the east german girls, were also assisted by drugs?
@@miguelsuradevi8643 They're all drug assisted. To think otherwise would be naive.
@@friedrichneidert9040 yes
Pity she retired before the Seoul Olympics.
She had to. Drug testing was added
The Americans had THG.
@@sequiaonda78: she managed it well. But Joyner also retired after Seoul as soon as out of season random drug tests were announced
@@MrStevecro Exactly
Astonishing!
Nothing changed since then. We didn’t know hat they were using chemicals. Now we all know that No athlete of 21st century runs without chemicals! So simple!
Why was it called GDR if it wasn't democratic at all ?
Certain drugs were not detectable at the time
Like what.. what drug are you talking about what magical drug you talking about
Marita Koch the best ever in der world all time.
Thirty four years later nobody has got anywhere near this time. She was half a man when she set it. It should be expunged (as should any world best set by Kratochvilova). Eid Naser should be the world record holder.
Eid Naser may be doping. Naser was previously coached by Bulgarian Yanko Bratanov, one of whose athletes Kemi Adekoya was banned for four years earlier this year Where there is smoke there is fire. Just saying
Amazing what PEDS can do to an athlete. No other women's 400m runner has ever come close to a doped Marita Koch in 1985 with her 47.60 sec. That's a staggering 35 years.
The sports authorities should seriously consider wiping out or erasing all world records in athletics before the implementation of more stringent doping tests from year 2000.
Even the present winning time for the women's 400 metres at the Rio Olympics set by Shaunae Miller of the Bahamas stands at 49.44s. That's a staggering 1.8 seconds behind Koch's! Shocking.
Are you so naive that you don't realise it's a level playing field? The best are the best no matter juiced or not. Bolt, Marita, Shelly, MJ, Elaine, Flo Jo.
She was so fast!
She ran about 33s in the 300m.
@@sequiaonda78 yeah but in the video it looks like she run faster than 34.14
Usha beat Debbie?
She was always getting inside tracks.
Really nice of the meet organizer to put the top two runners (by far) in lanes 1 and 2. What a joke!!
Well Kim Collins once won a Worlds from lane 1, and iirc, didn't van Niekerk also break the 400m from the 9th lane?
I mean it happens.
@@barath4545 I remember both very well. But there is no scientific advantage for any lane in the 100 meters because there is no curve. And when Wayde won the 400 in Rio, it might've actually been an advantage to run in lane 8 because he ran blind and just let loose, but also he didn't have to run the tight curve. Lane 1 and 2 are the worst lanes for the 200 and 400.
I think that's what makes this world record even that much more amazing.
Lane assignments were random until around 1990. Now they are seeded according to the semi-final results, and lane one is now often left empty for the 200 and 400. Although many runners don't like the outside lane, there is no actual evidence for it being a disadvantage.
I feel the true 400m world record is that by Marie Jose Perec. 48.25 in Atlanta 1996. Flo Jo's records also need to be deleted as they were blatantly due to drugs. The fact its been 31 years and the closest anyone has got to her 100m of 10.49 is 10.64 and the closest anyone has gotten to her 200m of 21.34 is 21.63 speaks volumes. Flojo = biggest athletics drugs cheat of all time!!!
Naser ran a legit 48.14. So she's the fastest legit 400m runner.
@cjwoot half-truth is worse than no truth.. do you realize the race after Flo-Jo dazzled the world with 10.49 ...was won by Sheila echoes was wind was 0 as well.. do you realize that a heat in the men's 100 at that track meet was -.7 ......half-truth is worse than no truth man tell the whole truth.. the race talkin about what Carl Lewis was the next day... When she ran a wind-legal 10.61 get your facts straight...
The burden of proof is on the accuser so tell me since you are in the business of accusing what drug did Flo-Jo take by name..
Unlike Flo Jo who was an average sprinter all her life, and "bloomed" for 6 months, Marita Koch broke every world record since she was junior in all distances, had a long fantastic career, and lives a healthy life.
She and flo Jo completely destroyed the womens sprinting...
Rusiru Paranagama That's why their records should be annulled
@@MsSlucyna spoken like a true under-achiever failed athlete and just a weirdo
Here's the thing produced show proof tell me the the drugs Flo-Jo took by name....
Koch is the all time best
I don't trust any world records from the 80's and early 90's and I definitely don't trust any world record still standing after 30 years
47.6 is an insane time if a man had run.
Il momento più umiliante per l'immagine dell'atletica moderna. Era palese l'intervento pesante e scorretto su un'atleta donna per forzare i limiti della natura. Già la Kratochvilova presentava un assetto fisico al limite dell'accettabile che le permise di stabilire due record mondiali indoor e outdoor, il primo battuto solo dopo 40 anni dalla talentuosa olandese Femke Bol, e il secondo che avrebbe resistito ancora oggi se la DDR non avesse messo in campo un'atleta di spicco ma superdopata per cercare di risollevare la propria immagine internazionale durante quegli anni di temuta crisi sociopolitica al suo interno. Quel primato assurdo per quei tempi stabilito a Camberra avrebbe dovuto essere invalidato dal CIO pochi anni più tardi, tanto sarebbe rimasto imbattutto ancora oggi il 47.99 della cecoslovacca ma se non altro più avvicinabile.
she confesses that the east german authorities didnt prescribe her any performence enhaning drugs and she was clean
Holy fuck, the rest of the field is SO FAR behind
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She waa doping this one
Marita Koch was very aptly named. I think she had one.
lmao
I believe one of the women in the 400 Meters in Tokyo will break 48.2,which would be impressive
whoever was in lane 1 was obviously juiced to the gills as well , considering the way she kept up
Record establecido product4o del.dopaje gubernamental de los atletas de Alemania Oriental.
Whether or not she used drugs, I'm surprised that her running form is so beautiful！
Some undetectable drugs should be invented. Otherwise, this record shall remain unbeatable
There have been many undetectable drugs in the meantime (because the tests are always a step behind) , still no new record...
This WR will only ever fall if the IAAF let someone drive a lap in a car.
IAAF ratifier: "Did that look legal to you"?
IAAF President: "Um ..."
IAAF ratifier: "An um is good enough for me. 47.59 ratified"
ES REALMENTE VERDAD QUE EL TIEMPO HALLA SIDO 47,30
and 200 meters running 21 56
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Naser will break this record one day, Mark my words!
I'm sure Naser dopes too.
alright then TRANZLIFT416. I've marked your words as have 1000s of others who will one day say "wow, that Tranzlift416 was a prophet"
Jim Lampley commentating?
Koch was awesome.....going away my favourite female track athlete!
On one point I agree with you she was awesome I showed my mom her picture and I asked the question do this woman look like she's on steroids my mom said no within two seconds I mean look at her body the woman was just fast damn
Loooolllll
この時クラトフビロバが衰え、コッホはまだまだ頂点にあった。仮に今の選手をドーピング漬けしても、この47:60やクラトフビロバの47:99は出せない。なぜならばピッチの速さは持って生まれたものでトレーニングや薬物でピッチは速くならない事が証明されているからだ。そもそも才能のある人を見つけてトレーニングさせたからこの大記録が生まれたというのが結論である。
And competitors nowadays are even more drugged...
Like Secretariat’.
IT IS REALLY TRUE THAT THE TIME HAS BEEN 47.30
Yep with wind at your back at drug bust
Why not test all the frozen samples from the past! Testing is way more advanced now! There be a hell of a lot of gold medals handed back!
drugs cheat
Drugs are powerful. Even 30+ years later! Congrats Anavar and Tren lol
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just watched the current womans 400 final lady that won couldn't stand after the race 😳look at this lady she jogs off like nothings happened lol 🤣🤦🤦🤦
How can you glorify such outrageous CHEATING. It's disgusting. And to to be able to still be able to keep the record after all these years. It's just plain WRONG
Good steroids... she blew the whole field away. I ran a PB of 47 as a 19 year old, and I'm a man.lol..
Are you in college.
As an athlete steriod alone cant mek you run like this! Her will power is insane!
Yes,it can …..depending on the programme……East Germany had a fierce drug programme at the time…Go figure🤣🤣🤣🤣