Glad you covered the crossing price tier issue... and even happier that you've reported it to EA/Hyundai for a fix! I'm in a Bolt EV and won't have those issues with its max rate of 55kW, but this will be a valuable fix for future Kona Electric and Niro EV owners using Electrify America.
Terrific explanation. I have just experienced the Electrify America charging rates. The rates now for the 2019 Kona EV is 0.66 /min. I had listened to your presentation and expected the charge. I charged from 66% to 83%. The charge rate never exceeded 54 KWh. I called Electrify America and was told by a supervisor that the rate is based on the maximum rate the car reports over the communication with the station that it can receive. My car was billed 0.66 /min they said because the car reported to the charging station it could receive 84 KVh. They confirmed it with the data stream from the station and said there was no communication error therefore I had to pay the high rate. I discussed this with OR Public Utilities commission, Hyundai Corporate headquarters in CA. and the local dealer. Corporate and the dealer could not tell me what the Kona would report to the charger. If the car actually was measured as you say in the video, then Electrify America was not truthful to one of us. I was referred to look into this practice with the Dept of Justice, consumer protection agency. If it is as you say on a sampling of the charge rate, by their own admission, the car never took over 54KWh and I should have been charged 0.25 KWh.
This and the road trip video were fascinating and well made, thank you. I'm a relatively new EV driver, leased a 2017 Soul EV at the very beginning of 2018 because they were doing amazing lease deals (basically discounting 50% off the car, so cap. cost vs residual value was super low). Liked it so much that I bought a 2019 Bolt EV last year. The lease was ending on the Soul and my partner wanted to get a longer range EV as well since our commute is about to increase dramatically, so we leased a Kona EV. We live over on the west coast, and the EV infrastructure is getting better. We have never been able to take real road trips with an EV before since the Soul was limited to maybe 85-90 miles of real world range in the summer (much less in the winter with the air-cooled and not heated battery), but I'm looking forward to road tripping with either the Bolt or the Kona. We were planning a (short) road trip to Seattle at the end of the month for a work-related expo that was happening, but it got rescheduled to the summer since they banned gatherings over 250 people. Its nice that the Electrify America chargers are popping up and they have faster than 50kW charging, but all I've heard about them is how buggy they are. Granted this video is 9 months old at this point and a lot can change in that time, but it doesn't seem like it should be that hard. I hadn't even considered that the charge rate was determined by the pack voltage in the car, but since the DCFC is connected directly to the battery pack, and not through an on-board charger like the level 1 and 2 chargers, it makes sense. The DCFC has to limit the charging rate depending on how much voltage the battery pack can take, since the rating of the components in the charger is likely to be based off the current they can handle, not just the voltage. Also interesting to see the cost to charge over that distance. It shows how EVs are really strong as commuter cars, especially if you can level 2 charge them at home for $0.09/kWh (thats the cost around here, your results may vary), but the cost savings are certainly reduced when charging away from home is involved, especially at fast chargers. I would say the comparison to a Prius is probably not fair, since a compact SUV is not an eco-focused sedan, but the comparison to a gas Kona is certainly fair, and the EV still wins compared to the cost of refueling a ICE Kona. I readily admit that I'm not a Tesla fan, mostly down to their lack of repair infrastructure and parts availability, I appreciate their investment in charging infrastructure. They also did some ground-breaking work bringing real EVs to the world that you could really use as your only car, although they have only recently brought one that was reasonably affordable to the average person. Other manufacturers, like Hyundai/Kia and GM are now catching up, but I think that the other EV manufacturers need to put some effort into improving the charging network for non-Tesla vehicles. Electrify America is certainly helping out, but it shouldn't take a massive emissions scandal and legally mandated fines to get other EV manufacturers to put a significant investment into charging. If we could get affordable DCFC at every major service station along every major freeway, it would effectively eliminate charging as a reason not to get an EV.
There are issues in the UK with some CCS chargers that would eb solved if current could be limited - it would be really useful if the Kona had a setting to limit DC charge rate, as it has for AC charging
Would be nice if Hyundai would allow you to set a maximum kw intake, so that people could set it to like 72kwh or something close.. and for Electrify America to only charge for tier 2 for the time you would be in tier 2.
Good real-world test, thanks Kyle. Especially on the pricing issue between EA tiers. It seemed like this would be an issue when the new pricing was announced but your video is the first I've seen confirm it. Added your comments and a link to your channel to an item I just wrote it on the topic. If you don't me linking, it's here: www.torquenews.com/7893/new-charging-issue-impacts-kia-niro-ev-hyundai-kona-electric-owners. (If you do, I can of course edit this comment to remove!)
'David Anstutz ' had a great idea, but you have to have the monthly charging plan. He has the Kona EV and it peaks around 76 kW like my Niro while charging and this lands him tier 2 pricing, but he has the account with a service plan for $4 a month, He says once the charge fall under 70 kW he unplug the charger then start a new charging session that start under 75 kW and you will be charged the tier 1 pricing. I guess if you have to connect 2 times every-time you use a EA charger, it would be worth it getting the plan. Thought this is a pretty crappy charging model..sound like they aren't going to change this model any time soon. Like any company they want to make a buck, and who cares about the customer.
I'd love to see you do a similar road trip in a Chevrolet bolt EV.. I think I remember you saying it's not your favorite vehicle but it's peak charging rate is about 55.. and much like the Kona from 1% to 56% it gets pretty close to maximum charging rate for that entire time. I follow another RUclipsr called News Coulomb.. he has a bolt EV and takes regular 1000 Mile road trips in it. He did a comparison between his Bolt and a Niro EV I believe. and while the Kia charged at a higher Peak rate he said that effectively over the entire road Trip the amount of time spent at the charger was essentially the same between the two vehicles. I'd be curious now that the Electrify America Network is more robust. For you to do a road trip and see how that car does. You seem to be an expert at maximizing the charging rates.. Great information on your road trip with the Kona. the reason I bring up the bolt EV is that it actually has more backseat legroom and headroom than even the Niro EV. Although although it's not as wide.
Less expensive to drive a Prius - LOL. Plus 3 hours saved. And more room - a LOT more room (65 cubic feet vs 45 cubic feet). And never worrying about a gas station. You buy an EV car because you want an EV car, not because you want to save money or even the environment for that matter. When you factor in electricity generation, the costs of new infrastructure, the charger at home, whatever, it's really hard to see how EVs do better than hybrids. It's a shame that the tech in the Prius was not pushed further, because hybrids just make so much more sense - especially plugins with 50-100 mile electric range (best of both worlds).
Thanks for the specifics of cost and timing. I have a smart car, looking to move to a Kona. Where can one buy a J1772 adapter? Can the adapter be used at Tesla superchargers?
You can set it up to 80amps at ~277v but those are super rare installs only at superchargers, and I don’t believe other EVs will work on those stations with the weird voltage (only typically found at destination chargers next to superchargers). The max you can pull with the JDapter is 40amps continuous.
Oh boy, you can travel pretty far with almost no costs in US. I live in Finland and I think that we have one of the highest cost of buying, owning or driving a car. Quick calculation and here this trip (1400miles) would’ve cost 240$ with a Prius! Electricity is cheaper still, that’s why i ordered a Hyundai Kona electric 👍☺️
To be honest, I don't see EVs being useful for most people. This review kinda drove that point home, hard. If you live in an apartment, you'll have to be super lucky to have a parking spot with charger. Most workplaces have no charger. You can't just park somewhere to have it charge while you're at work either since you'll hog the spot and be penalized. 440v chargers don't seem to be very common - at least I don't see many here in Salt Lake City, nor do I see any easy way to even SHOW 440v chargers on any app. I tried the PlugShare app and can't make heads or tails of it. Tried some other apps, same thing. Bottom line for me: I'd LOVE to drive an EV, but at this point... it feels like ICE is easier, faster, more convenient and ultimately cheaper unless I count my time as worth $0. That includes Tesla's charger network - none of them are near where I live, near where I work or even on the way to/from work.
@@OutofSpecMotoring As I said, there is no Tesla charger anywhere near my commute to/from work. The closest adds about 20 minutes. The closest non-Tespa charger is actually about 5 mins from home. Except that it's only 7.2kw... even presuming only topping up, it would take forever. I can't charge at home or at work, not even 110v. Whereas filling up my 20yr old car takes 15 mins at most, once a week. I am not driving for fun. For me a car is strictly a tool to get from A to B. I have test driven the Bolt, and driven my bosses Tesla Model S a few times. Looked at a Kona a few days back. I can't justify doing what you did. Charger doesn't work, let's waste time to drive to another. Hang out at a charger, twiddling thumbs. Spend $35-$45k on a car when I never ever paid more than $5k on any car and drove them all for 10+ years, driving around 400 miles a week (mostly commuting)... As much as I want to like electrics... I could afford even a Model S, but it would feel like pissing away money, wasting considerable time per week and giving up a lot of convenience. The situation will be better in a decade. Until then, EVs are for a very limited set of people.
I forgot to mention in MN we can lose Electricity for week every few years with ice storm, but we have gas for heat so survive, but with EVs this will mean jammed public charging stations (assuming they keep power) and many EVs just running out of power. Umm some people will lose their job for missing work (some employers are not nice about a person's stupid choice to get EV in MN), most people wont run risks to go with EV. I think every 5 years or so a whole Region in the US has power grid go down for days, so very rarely EVs will totally suck. Many people are paranoid about terrorist attack or end of the world, they will not want EVs, but I don't know what % are that paranoid. I do want a 100mph car gas, that would be perfect darnit.
@@amyself6678 Gas stations also need electricity to operate, just saying. Some have generators, most do not. If the power grid is down, EVs won't charge, but (most) gas stations also won't pump. Been there, experienced that. People miss work all the time. Being ill, family issues, whatnot. If they'd lose their job every time, that'd be really shitty employers. Not sure about MN, but here in UT this simply does not happen. While I don't see EVs as THE cars to have, I don't particularly think the edge-cases you mention are really a deciding factor. In my entire (fairly long) life I have never, not once, had a multi-day power outage. A day, yes. Not longer. The killer of EVs is price, and there's not yet a good second-hand market due to high demand. The main reason NOT to buy even if you can afford an EV is charging infrastructure, or lack thereof. Price MAY come down, charging infrastructure MAY improve. Just likely not in my remaining lifetime.
Sorry but EV’s except Tesla’s suck as road trip cars, I use my Kia Niro around town and to commute to work where I charge for free. My 80 mile commute saves me enough. When I road trip I use my S class Mercedes and enjoy the trip and not having to worry about charging and time waisted.
EVS TERRIBLE ROAD TRIPPERS. In a Nissan Leaf I have found Charging Stations take while to get to like 10 minutes each way versus 1 minute for gas station right at hiway and these 10 minutes add up, then there is 1.5 Hour charging time, so I count on 10 hour road trip taking 15 hours. So, 100% despite trying to downplay it EVs are terrible at Road Trips, as my family tells me when they refuse to use my car if we have to charge even once. Plus to be honest if I value my time at $20 the lost time charging wipes out gas savings, plus the Leaf was costlier than the gas car option. Despite hype this is not going to majorly change, but I admit higher EV reliability is a medium plus. Except for few RUclipsrs who promote EVS, I do think myself and most EV people are NOT recommending their busy family go EV, but for small fraction EVs could be fine choice. Gas cars just are good technology to try to outperform and be cheaper than to make people learn a new transport method.
Nissan Leaf is the WORST road-tripping EV out there, pretty much. No heat management on the battery limits fast-charging esp. after driving hard on road trip, CHadeMo plug is more rare, smaller range.. it is really a city/commute car, pretty good pricing for that use, especially used. Tesla is by FAR the best and easiest at road tripping, and at ~$39k for luxury 250mi range EV, pretty good pricing. I did a 2k mile road trip and spent under $130, only bit of planning, and the car finished charging BEFORE family was ready to go, EVERY time. (eating/stretching/potty breaks). Autopilot, sat-photo maps, streaming audio (and now games/videos while stopped), etc made it enjoyable for everyone. Other EVs will get better as the charging networks and software improves. Tesla is already there.
Glad you covered the crossing price tier issue... and even happier that you've reported it to EA/Hyundai for a fix! I'm in a Bolt EV and won't have those issues with its max rate of 55kW, but this will be a valuable fix for future Kona Electric and Niro EV owners using Electrify America.
Terrific explanation. I have just experienced the Electrify America charging rates. The rates now for the 2019 Kona EV is 0.66 /min. I had listened to your presentation and expected the charge. I charged from 66% to 83%. The charge rate never exceeded 54 KWh. I called Electrify America and was told by a supervisor that the rate is based on the maximum rate the car reports over the communication with the station that it can receive. My car was billed 0.66 /min they said because the car reported to the charging station it could receive 84 KVh. They confirmed it with the data stream from the station and said there was no communication error therefore I had to pay the high rate. I discussed this with OR Public Utilities commission, Hyundai Corporate headquarters in CA. and the local dealer. Corporate and the dealer could not tell me what the Kona would report to the charger. If the car actually was measured as you say in the video, then Electrify America was not truthful to one of us. I was referred to look into this practice with the Dept of Justice, consumer protection agency. If it is as you say on a sampling of the charge rate, by their own admission, the car never took over 54KWh and I should have been charged 0.25 KWh.
Thank you for the information. I look forward to traveling in my Kona.
This and the road trip video were fascinating and well made, thank you. I'm a relatively new EV driver, leased a 2017 Soul EV at the very beginning of 2018 because they were doing amazing lease deals (basically discounting 50% off the car, so cap. cost vs residual value was super low). Liked it so much that I bought a 2019 Bolt EV last year. The lease was ending on the Soul and my partner wanted to get a longer range EV as well since our commute is about to increase dramatically, so we leased a Kona EV. We live over on the west coast, and the EV infrastructure is getting better. We have never been able to take real road trips with an EV before since the Soul was limited to maybe 85-90 miles of real world range in the summer (much less in the winter with the air-cooled and not heated battery), but I'm looking forward to road tripping with either the Bolt or the Kona. We were planning a (short) road trip to Seattle at the end of the month for a work-related expo that was happening, but it got rescheduled to the summer since they banned gatherings over 250 people.
Its nice that the Electrify America chargers are popping up and they have faster than 50kW charging, but all I've heard about them is how buggy they are. Granted this video is 9 months old at this point and a lot can change in that time, but it doesn't seem like it should be that hard. I hadn't even considered that the charge rate was determined by the pack voltage in the car, but since the DCFC is connected directly to the battery pack, and not through an on-board charger like the level 1 and 2 chargers, it makes sense. The DCFC has to limit the charging rate depending on how much voltage the battery pack can take, since the rating of the components in the charger is likely to be based off the current they can handle, not just the voltage. Also interesting to see the cost to charge over that distance. It shows how EVs are really strong as commuter cars, especially if you can level 2 charge them at home for $0.09/kWh (thats the cost around here, your results may vary), but the cost savings are certainly reduced when charging away from home is involved, especially at fast chargers. I would say the comparison to a Prius is probably not fair, since a compact SUV is not an eco-focused sedan, but the comparison to a gas Kona is certainly fair, and the EV still wins compared to the cost of refueling a ICE Kona.
I readily admit that I'm not a Tesla fan, mostly down to their lack of repair infrastructure and parts availability, I appreciate their investment in charging infrastructure. They also did some ground-breaking work bringing real EVs to the world that you could really use as your only car, although they have only recently brought one that was reasonably affordable to the average person. Other manufacturers, like Hyundai/Kia and GM are now catching up, but I think that the other EV manufacturers need to put some effort into improving the charging network for non-Tesla vehicles. Electrify America is certainly helping out, but it shouldn't take a massive emissions scandal and legally mandated fines to get other EV manufacturers to put a significant investment into charging. If we could get affordable DCFC at every major service station along every major freeway, it would effectively eliminate charging as a reason not to get an EV.
There are issues in the UK with some CCS chargers that would eb solved if current could be limited - it would be really useful if the Kona had a setting to limit DC charge rate, as it has for AC charging
Would be nice if Hyundai would allow you to set a maximum kw intake, so that people could set it to like 72kwh or something close.. and for Electrify America to only charge for tier 2 for the time you would be in tier 2.
Great info. I'm new to this world so I'm learning as I go. Has Hyundai and EA resolved this issue?
I am a podcast newbie. Is your podcast available on the Tesla Model 3? Sorry if this is a really stupid question.
Good real-world test, thanks Kyle. Especially on the pricing issue between EA tiers. It seemed like this would be an issue when the new pricing was announced but your video is the first I've seen confirm it.
Added your comments and a link to your channel to an item I just wrote it on the topic. If you don't me linking, it's here: www.torquenews.com/7893/new-charging-issue-impacts-kia-niro-ev-hyundai-kona-electric-owners. (If you do, I can of course edit this comment to remove!)
That’s a great read and very well covered!
@@OutofSpecMotoring Awesome, thanks!
'David Anstutz
' had a great idea, but you have to have the monthly charging plan. He has the Kona EV and it peaks around 76 kW like my Niro while charging and this lands him tier 2 pricing, but he has the account with a service plan for $4 a month, He says once the charge fall under 70 kW he unplug the charger then start a new charging session that start under 75 kW and you will be charged the tier 1 pricing. I guess if you have to connect 2 times every-time you use a EA charger, it would be worth it getting the plan. Thought this is a pretty crappy charging model..sound like they aren't going to change this model any time soon. Like any company they want to make a buck, and who cares about the customer.
Have you seen any progress/updates on rates, etc. since first making the vid?
I'd love to see you do a similar road trip in a Chevrolet bolt EV..
I think I remember you saying it's not your favorite vehicle but it's peak charging rate is about 55.. and much like the Kona from 1% to 56% it gets pretty close to maximum charging rate for that entire time.
I follow another RUclipsr called News Coulomb.. he has a bolt EV and takes regular 1000 Mile road trips in it.
He did a comparison between his Bolt and a Niro EV I believe.
and while the Kia charged at a higher Peak rate he said that effectively over the entire road Trip the amount of time spent at the charger was essentially the same between the two vehicles.
I'd be curious now that the Electrify America Network is more robust. For you to do a road trip and see how that car does. You seem to be an expert at maximizing the charging rates..
Great information on your road trip with the Kona.
the reason I bring up the bolt EV is that it actually has more backseat legroom and headroom than even the Niro EV.
Although although it's not as wide.
Less expensive to drive a Prius - LOL. Plus 3 hours saved. And more room - a LOT more room (65 cubic feet vs 45 cubic feet). And never worrying about a gas station. You buy an EV car because you want an EV car, not because you want to save money or even the environment for that matter. When you factor in electricity generation, the costs of new infrastructure, the charger at home, whatever, it's really hard to see how EVs do better than hybrids. It's a shame that the tech in the Prius was not pushed further, because hybrids just make so much more sense - especially plugins with 50-100 mile electric range (best of both worlds).
Can you bring a 4kw generator and charge it anywhere at will ?
HI, So which one do you recommend the Kona EV or the Niro EV?
We’ll have to do a test! Our favorite is probably going to be the new Soul EV within that family. That will be a future video comparing all three.
The niro
1:12 wow - I guess we are lucky in the UK. I did 1600 miles twice in my Kona and thanks to the |Government it cost me $0.00 both times
Thanks for the specifics of cost and timing. I have a smart car, looking to move to a Kona. Where can one buy a J1772 adapter? Can the adapter be used at Tesla superchargers?
It’s called a JDapter - Doesn’t work for supercharging just Tesla UMC and Wall Connectors
@@OutofSpecMotoring Thanks! and darn. 😊
I'm assuming the Tesla home charger set up is faster than others...
You can set it up to 80amps at ~277v but those are super rare installs only at superchargers, and I don’t believe other EVs will work on those stations with the weird voltage (only typically found at destination chargers next to superchargers). The max you can pull with the JDapter is 40amps continuous.
@@OutofSpecMotoring Got it Thanks!
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Oh boy, you can travel pretty far with almost no costs in US. I live in Finland and I think that we have one of the highest cost of buying, owning or driving a car. Quick calculation and here this trip (1400miles) would’ve cost 240$ with a Prius! Electricity is cheaper still, that’s why i ordered a Hyundai Kona electric 👍☺️
To be honest, I don't see EVs being useful for most people. This review kinda drove that point home, hard. If you live in an apartment, you'll have to be super lucky to have a parking spot with charger. Most workplaces have no charger. You can't just park somewhere to have it charge while you're at work either since you'll hog the spot and be penalized. 440v chargers don't seem to be very common - at least I don't see many here in Salt Lake City, nor do I see any easy way to even SHOW 440v chargers on any app. I tried the PlugShare app and can't make heads or tails of it. Tried some other apps, same thing. Bottom line for me: I'd LOVE to drive an EV, but at this point... it feels like ICE is easier, faster, more convenient and ultimately cheaper unless I count my time as worth $0. That includes Tesla's charger network - none of them are near where I live, near where I work or even on the way to/from work.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Also, plughsare is super simple to operate. If you want even more ease, try Tesla.
@@OutofSpecMotoring As I said, there is no Tesla charger anywhere near my commute to/from work. The closest adds about 20 minutes. The closest non-Tespa charger is actually about 5 mins from home. Except that it's only 7.2kw... even presuming only topping up, it would take forever. I can't charge at home or at work, not even 110v. Whereas filling up my 20yr old car takes 15 mins at most, once a week.
I am not driving for fun. For me a car is strictly a tool to get from A to B. I have test driven the Bolt, and driven my bosses Tesla Model S a few times. Looked at a Kona a few days back.
I can't justify doing what you did. Charger doesn't work, let's waste time to drive to another. Hang out at a charger, twiddling thumbs. Spend $35-$45k on a car when I never ever paid more than $5k on any car and drove them all for 10+ years, driving around 400 miles a week (mostly commuting)...
As much as I want to like electrics... I could afford even a Model S, but it would feel like pissing away money, wasting considerable time per week and giving up a lot of convenience. The situation will be better in a decade. Until then, EVs are for a very limited set of people.
MMM
I forgot to mention in MN we can lose Electricity for week every few years with ice storm, but we have gas for heat so survive, but with EVs this will mean jammed public charging stations (assuming they keep power) and many EVs just running out of power. Umm some people will lose their job for missing work (some employers are not nice about a person's stupid choice to get EV in MN), most people wont run risks to go with EV. I think every 5 years or so a whole Region in the US has power grid go down for days, so very rarely EVs will totally suck. Many people are paranoid about terrorist attack or end of the world, they will not want EVs, but I don't know what % are that paranoid. I do want a 100mph car gas, that would be perfect darnit.
@@amyself6678 Gas stations also need electricity to operate, just saying. Some have generators, most do not. If the power grid is down, EVs won't charge, but (most) gas stations also won't pump. Been there, experienced that.
People miss work all the time. Being ill, family issues, whatnot. If they'd lose their job every time, that'd be really shitty employers. Not sure about MN, but here in UT this simply does not happen.
While I don't see EVs as THE cars to have, I don't particularly think the edge-cases you mention are really a deciding factor. In my entire (fairly long) life I have never, not once, had a multi-day power outage. A day, yes. Not longer.
The killer of EVs is price, and there's not yet a good second-hand market due to high demand. The main reason NOT to buy even if you can afford an EV is charging infrastructure, or lack thereof. Price MAY come down, charging infrastructure MAY improve. Just likely not in my remaining lifetime.
Sorry but EV’s except Tesla’s suck as road trip cars, I use my Kia Niro around town and to commute to work where I charge for free. My 80 mile commute saves me enough. When I road trip I use my S class Mercedes and enjoy the trip and not having to worry about charging and time waisted.
For all the inconvenience.. just not worth it!
EVS TERRIBLE ROAD TRIPPERS. In a Nissan Leaf I have found Charging Stations take while to get to like 10 minutes each way versus 1 minute for gas station right at hiway and these 10 minutes add up, then there is 1.5 Hour charging time, so I count on 10 hour road trip taking 15 hours. So, 100% despite trying to downplay it EVs are terrible at Road Trips, as my family tells me when they refuse to use my car if we have to charge even once. Plus to be honest if I value my time at $20 the lost time charging wipes out gas savings, plus the Leaf was costlier than the gas car option. Despite hype this is not going to majorly change, but I admit higher EV reliability is a medium plus. Except for few RUclipsrs who promote EVS, I do think myself and most EV people are NOT recommending their busy family go EV, but for small fraction EVs could be fine choice. Gas cars just are good technology to try to outperform and be cheaper than to make people learn a new transport method.
Nissan Leaf is the WORST road-tripping EV out there, pretty much. No heat management on the battery limits fast-charging esp. after driving hard on road trip, CHadeMo plug is more rare, smaller range.. it is really a city/commute car, pretty good pricing for that use, especially used.
Tesla is by FAR the best and easiest at road tripping, and at ~$39k for luxury 250mi range EV, pretty good pricing.
I did a 2k mile road trip and spent under $130, only bit of planning, and the car finished charging BEFORE family was ready to go, EVERY time. (eating/stretching/potty breaks). Autopilot, sat-photo maps, streaming audio (and now games/videos while stopped), etc made it enjoyable for everyone.
Other EVs will get better as the charging networks and software improves. Tesla is already there.