@@JeremyParishrespect the modesty but you really are the best gaming channel on RUclips. I could watch these videos on repeat for 24 hours straight. I also love your design choices on your thumbnails
This marks the first time in a long, long time where I've recognized the show the channel turns to briefly before the episode starts lol. Viva Doctor Who
This is a nice taste of Turbo Works, which I will look forward to next year along with the rest of 1988 and 1989's stuff. I'm also glad that you accurately note that FPGA is emulation, but on the hardware level rather than software emulation which is what most think of as emulation. Works is definitely above marketing spin.
Thanks for the video! I never had a Duo growing up or knew anyone who did until I was much older so learning about its library is always fun, like a peek into a bizarro world with unique ports that I'm always surprised got western releases. Also I hope you make a Xevious Works one day that just compiles every instance you referenced Xevious in all your videos lol
I had a tg16 at launch. So did a couple of friends. It was a nice little niche of gaming during that time. We actually used the 5 player tap maxed out.
Congradulacoins U R 2 cool 4 school. I never even heard of the thing until I was like 15, well over 10 years after they stopped producing them. I think I was slightly too young to have ever really encountered the marketing, and no one I ever met had or mentioned one.
@@royb5820 I never owned or played a TurboGrafx-16, but I do remember seeing the console displayed in Canadian Radio Shack stores and ads for TurboGrafx-16 games in comic books.
I love the PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 personally. It has an underrated library and as I'm trying to get back into Retro Gaming, It'd be fun going to this series as it releases.
As a note: If I am understanding My Life in Gaming's video on the Duo correctly (which also dropped today), then between the two color mods (Composite and RGB) Composite is actually the more accurate to the original hardware for reasons beyond just "most people played through composite video out". Rather, composite/RF and RGB on the original hardware accessed two totally different color banks whose colors sometimes varied wildly, but there was never an official way to access RGB video so this was only discovered by modders after the fact. Because the palettes are so different from each other, the TG/Turbo Duo is in the somewhat unique positon of being a classic console whose RGB output is less preferred to composite. At least in terms of color accuracy, if not signal clarity. Which means that on something like the Duo, where composite signal isn't actually a concern, consider using the composite palette over the RGB to get a more natural look with better color differentiation rather than "HEY DO YOU LIKE MAGENTA?!"
I remember the Wii had Turbographix games on VC. The Bonk games were pretty good, but Castlevania Rondo of Blood? Fantastic. The grim reaper stage with Ghost Ship Painting and that fight on the mast was worth it alone.
T...tur...TURBO WORKS!? *Clutches chest like on Sandford and Son* IT'S THE BIG ONE! Half-joking aside, I cannot wait for mine to arrive. Played it when it came out as an uncle and cousin (other side of family) each got one Christmas 89. Never owned one, but I've been collecting for the system for years now waiting for a good deal for a system and then this was announced and answered my prayers.
I'm excited for Turbo Works and to hear your takes on these games. I picked up a Turbo Duo in the mid-'90s and it became one of my favorite systems. I wish I would have saved all the games, which are ungodly expensive now.
Wow, Jeremy. These videos are just so good. As I was enjoying watching this particular video, I took notice of the attention to detail. Every clip has the clean graphic displaying the system on which the game is being played. And there are a LOT of clips. Great info, great capture, and great summation. Also while watching, I literally received the email telling me my Analogue Duo had shipped! How’s that for synchronicity?
The great thing about a PCE works, there's a decent shot at finishing the whole thing, yet it has enough games to be a really long series and when it's over you only have one NEC platform left.
I have been stocking up on PC engine games for the last year since I pre ordered the duo. I think I have spent about $3000 on 30 games. It’s the only analogue system that I didn’t have a massive collection already.
I think there are seven games that utilise features the Supergrafx. It's five main titles, and two Darius games as well. Love your videos, which I discovered thanks to, of all things, your NES baseball episode. Excellent stuff
Very excited for this! I didn't own a TG16 as a kid but a friend did so I was lucky to be exposed to it. I bought one later along with the CD drive then eventually traded that for a Duo to TZD before they went out of business. Thoroughly enjoy the games. Such a great system. Glad to see it getting the Parish treatment!
Woah, that interface looks way different than I expected. Not sure what I think about it yet. I was sure it was going to be the same type of design as the Super NT and Mega SG menu system, but nope. What a curve ball, Analogue! Can't wait to receive my unit.
the intro to ys I from ys I & II on turbografx cd was my first ever exposure to the anime aesthetic, all the way back in what must have been 1990 or pre-snes launch 91. also the pc-engine has a lot of my favorite versions of the soundtracks to a few seminal (to me) games such as darius 1 and 1943 kai, games where the tinny and oblique arcade original audio waveforms leave me scratching my head wondering what they were thinking, but their pc-e arrangements have me leaning forward out of my seat in jubilation, fully 4 koma gaijin bottom panel style. needless to say we never had a tg16 or its variants, but it always seemed cool and rather bespoke, at least as far as on this side of the neogeo (which i never saw in the wild or even heard about outside of the occasional advertisement page in magazines at the time)
Growing up during the console wars, I have always loved the TG-16. I grew up poor in WA state, so the highlights of my childhood were when I was able to rent an NES and game for the weekend, or the frequent visits to Costco, let me explain the latter. The Costco in Tukwila, WA used to have consoles plugged into their high-end CRT T.V.s back in the late 80's/early 90's. The first I ever saw was the short-lived Sega Master System. What ended up staying for about 2 years was the TG-16, with Keith Courage plugged in. I feel Costco was really trying to sell that system out if their inventory and unfortunately, it didn’t sell. For me, this was a blessing, because our weekly Costco trip turned into a trip to a "free arcade" in my mind, of playing Keith Courage every visit. I got pretty decent since the visits were almost weekly, so I pushed myself to try to get as far as I could every visit. Years later in high-school, I had a friend/neighbor that had a Turbo-Duo, which I thought was the coolest system. When he got the import of Rondo of Blood, I had it in my head that NEC was unjustly overlooked, and that was 1993!!!
I too remember trips to shopping malls where the stores let people just... play games for free as long as you had the energy to stand there and play, so this whole memory-story ended up refreshing some of my own memories. Really feels like it was a different time back then, you don't see a lot of demo-stations like that out in the stores now.
@goranisacson2502 If I could "love" your comment, I would have. You are 100% about that being a different time. I remember walking into a Fred Meyer and going to what was called the "electronics section" in the 90's, and being able to play Genesis and TG-16 games back then. I do remember at Fred Meyer, there was a play limit, but at that Costco, you kind of gave next to the person waiting when you died
I own the Analogue Super Nt. I tried to get the Nt Mini and failed. I managed to get a Pocket, but I ended up giving it away because I realized I didn’t have a use case for it and I thought it would potentially help the channel. (Giveaways don’t really work like they used to on YT) Their products are great, but the wait and the limited runs and exclusivity have understandably rubbed a lot of consumers the wrong way. That, and the slow rollout of promised updates for the pocket. I feel like I see more criticism than I used to. I still love their quality and that they put so much emphasis on being able to play the original games. Maybe someday I’ll be able to get that Nt Mini Noir. Excellent video.
I’m glad this exists for people who want to play this way. Me? I just want to play games. Have you seen how much PCE games cost these days? I’ll take a PCE-mini over the Analogue everyday of the week. But Jeremy’s video has inspired me to go play some Rondo of Blood. So that’s good.
I've had a morbid curiosity about the TG16 Since it was mentioned in a Teen Girl Squad episode some 15+ years ago. I even bought the TG MINI which is awesome. Really cool to see it's legacy still alive for those few of us who know or care about the dang thing here in free country USA.
I got a TG-16 for Xmas one year in middle school. Don’t remember what made me request one, must have been magazine articles. I was the only person I knew to ever actually own one. Always felt it was a good system hampered by terrible mismanagement and a few bad design decisions, like the 1 game port.
Consider whatever future books with the word "Turbo" on it already bought. As always, you do awesome work. Collecting for the PC Engine has been super fun. Every time I go to Japan, I'll spend hours going through shelves and learning about previously unknown games to me. It just makes me feel like a kid again, and it's wild how many awesome games just never touched ground in the west (or much cheaper in Japan) I've been using a modded Turbo Duo R for about a decade, but I'm kind of excited for the Analogue duo since it just makes playing these game much more simple.
Yeah, that passive matrix screen on the TurboExpress is really a sight to make eyes sore. It's like the mesh transparencies in a Saturn game, except here EVERYTHING looks like that.
I owned a TurboDuo back in the day. I bought it at an EB late in it's run when it had been discounted to 50% off and I'm still glad I purchased it. I got a handful of extra CD-ROM games to go with it for cheap and it supplied me with months of good gaming. While I'm not in the market to buy an Analogue Duo at this time I am excited to see it's release. Looks pretty solid! I'm also REALLY excited for Turbo Works in 2024! :)
I have an old 27" CRT that's been collecting dust for 15 years. I was going to take it to the dump, but I think I'm going to use it for a retro-gaming set up instead. Relive some of my fading youth. I still have several old NES cartridges in my closet.
I love Analogue’s stuff. Everything i’ve bought from them (Super NT, Mega SG, Pocket) has been great. That said, i don’t see myself buying this - my Turbografx library is less than 10 games, as I really can’t afford most of them. My PC Engine collection is even less so. I love that they’re making it, but it’s hard to justify that price if you don’t already have a TG16/PCE library.
I found a trick for operate the everdrive (not pro version) on the analog duo. You must first start on a real hucard game, exit the game, insert the everdrive, go to library, select the previous game and launch it, this manipulation allows you to launch the everdrive ✌️✌️✌️
I see they arent sold out yet which doesnt surprise me all that much. I wanted to get one of these but international shipping is so atrocious I had to change my mind. Between owning a real Turbo Duo and and a TG16 Mini im honestly pretty much all set for my PC Engine needs.
I really like the Turbografx-16 but the only feasible way to play its games anymore if you don’t already own them is through ROMs, and having to buy an adapter to use an Everdrive is just silly.
Excellent video! Though, I dunno what settings you're using on MiSTer....I agree that here it does look softer and more washed out, but that's not my experience at all with 4 different units and having done a TON of capture. I have a solid, crisp 1080p out of it that looks identical to your Duo footage.
I've often wondered what would have happened, had NEC not waited so long to release the PCE/TG16 in America. Imagine if it had entered the market in 1988 instead and had a year to build a player base before the Genesis blasted onto the scene. I have to think that would have made the "console wars" far more interesting.
I considered getting the Duo but being mainly an rpg fan I just couldn't justify it and the cost of getting the games (It would be Ys1&2, Dungeon Explorer and Neutopia?). Pretty happy with the Analogue Pocket though and was considering the grafx hucard adaptor. I am also one of those mad persons who apparently has a Polymega shipping at the end of this year, so assuming that comes I am interested in investing time into in Sega Saturn games that I saw in the shops but never got to play as a child...
Great video, as always. Earlier this year, I bought and read PC Engine: The Box Art Collection from Bitmap Books. My biggest takeaway for why the TG16 failed in North America was marketing. As you said, Hudson had no idea how to sell this, and that point is really driven home here. Whereas the game box art for Japan was dynamic and exciting, the replacement art for North America was bland and uninspired. It had no shelf presence whatsoever. One need only look at how well other companies at the time we’re doing product marketing to see how badly Hudson failed in this regard.
If you stick with it, instead of just doing the one-off to produce a timely review, then It'll be fun seeing TG works in chronological reverse. If not, then that's okay with me too. Just thinking it would be fun.
When the Analogue 3D comes out the hype is going to be off the charts. its likely that less than 1% of retro gamers have ever seen a pc engine or turbografx, let alone played one. amongst the general gaming public its unheard of. the manufacturing of this product is a baffling business decision.
Very happy that this is arriving soon for myself. And very eager to see your Turbo Works kick off next year. Not to be too pedantic but PCE Works’ Mega Engine and PlayMaji’s Polymega pre-date this for having an optical drive. Granted those were conventional emulators in a box, but still. 😅 The latter is really solid. A shame for all the supply chain issues hampering rollout somewhat.
Great video! I might have missed this, but does Street Fighter 2 CE fit in the slot? I'm worried since the Everdrive doesn't fit, this one won't either.
The Composite Colour palette is actually the accurate one to the console as the games were all designed around composite and not RGB, RGB on the PCE/TG16 series of consoles is highly inaccurate.
Even with a full MiSTer now over 500 (I bought mine for 250 in 2020), I just can't see buying something other than MiSTer. The amount of cores and options and stuff, both Arcade and Console, you get SO MUCH MORE for your money. Plus hopefully at some point CPS-III and PGM (I still believe :D) On top of all consoles up to Saturn/PSX/N64 ??? And that's not even mentioning how Analogue just can't run a business and ACTUALLY SHIP TO CONSUMERS. I mean, I like my Pocket but I should, I waited almost 2 EFFIN YEARS FOR THE DAMN THING !!!
Apparently Everdrive Pro has issues with cd audio on original systems and they won't play in stereo without modifications or additional devices. Is the audio proper stereo with cd games on Analogue Duo?
How do you connect the 8bitdo TG16 controllers without the dongle? I upgraded the console firmware, the white light is blinking on the duo and the controller is blinking blue as well? I don't understand what I'm doing wrong? 🤔
I have always been interested in the tg16 after playing some of the Bonk games on the Wii VC. I just wish that the games didn’t cost an arm and a leg from scalpers.
It seems like a good all in one console, back in the day all I had was a turbo express you didn't see me complaining though I blew away the other dudes who had just a gameboy
If only the A. Duo could be bought like a normal item and not a war through pre order windows and waiting months if not years. This company seems to operate on FOMO. Release thing. I give money. That's how I do. Anything else can eat a big fat bag of Willies. Also looking at the Colecovision Phoenix thing.
Update: I saw how much shipping and sales tax to Eastern USA would bring it to. 302 dollars. Yeah I'm not doing that. 34 shipping 18 tax. For a machine that for me is less convenient than just playing on my tablet or Vita and leaving all my disks and hucards on the cd spin rack. My tablet has a 12.9 inch screen with quad Dolby something sound. And I can use my fight stick with metal bat and sanwa buttons. (Would rather have clicky concave Happ but ease of installation makes it good enough.) Maybe if stuff like homebrew and savestate and or Turbo ED were already baked in id still buy albeit grumbling but as is? Gotta pass.
Dual DUO-Drop with Game Sack, JP... it's not Christmas already is it?? I always find myself so fascinated with these products, but absolutely frustrated by being priced out of these endeavors. It would be absolutely necessary to consider an Everdrive for a product like this, but we're digging into 500 dollar territory for a system that is easily emulated.
Contrast seems really crushed on the Analogue Duo footage. The sky is completely blown out in the Ys intro, for instance. Might be a limited/full-range RGB mismatch?
@@JeremyParish And I'm not expecting that level of analysis. I'm sure DF or My Life in Gaming will have their deep-dives in due course. It's just that, if you're planning to use this for Turbo Works, it would be a good idea to iron out any kinks in your setup now before you realize you've made a mistake 10+ episodes in.
Now I know what I want for Christmas! That way I can play the one English language Turbographx Tactical RPG Dungeons & Dragons: Order of the Griffon. If anyone knows of any others please let me know though.
Wait... can't you launch japanese games on a US console with a US system card? It does not need a card of the proper (game) region, just a card matching the console region.
You forgot to mention the elephant in the room that might sway people towards buying the Analogue Duo: Maintenance. Anything with a CD? Needs servicing caps and several internals Anything portable like a GT or an LT? Needs a professional recap Supergrafx? Need to file a specific peg I love this console and I do have many hardware revisions, but for people that want to get a full hardware package without any hassle and for a comparatively good price, the Analogue may be the best option
My wondering why a Patreon video wasn't coming up early was quickly answered when i noticed two other channels i subscribe to also dropped their Analogue Duo review within minutes of this going public. Oh those embargos.
In this video you pronounced 8BitDo as "8-bit-doo". Are you sure that's right? I always assumed it was more like "8-bit-dough", kind of rhyming with "Nin-ten-do".
They’re not that good about updates. The pocket dock is still a moderate disaster. It doesn’t save your video settings on power off so any square display stuff like gameboy is cut off by default. They also still have controller detection problems and grayed out button remapping meaning it’s luck if you find a pad to play with. They promised and didn’t deliver over two years now. Not to mention cutting off the stand alone adapters to force all three at a higher price. I’d wait and see what’s added before buying.
"The TurboGrafx, and it's siblings, included a small amount of integrated re-writable memory." Negative. Just to say that the OG TG16 and PCE had no way to save games without use of a peripheral (Tubo Booster plus, Tennokoe Bank, the CD dock, etc.). Not even the vanilla Turbo Booster could save games, you had to have the plus model. And none of the Turbo Chip or HuCards could either, to the best of my knowledge.
Small correction aside: Great video, you've got me thinking pretty hard about this. TurboGrafx 16 is easily my second or third favorite console of all-time. The prices for original gear has gotten so out of hand, just selling a few things I got cheaply, back when nobody gave a sh!t about Turbo stuff, would probably net me enough money to buy one of these.
Region lockout misinformation at 5:45. CD games themselves were *not* region locked; any region CD-ROM² game would play using any region CD-ROM² system card and similarly any Super CD-ROM² would work on any device that had Super CD-ROM² playability whether that be an older console with a Super CD-ROM² system card or hardware like the original Duo systems that had Super CD-ROM² built-in. It could be said that Arcade CD-ROM² games were region locked as the Arcade CD-ROM² cards never released outside of Japan, but they play fine if you can manage to get the console to load the Arcade CD-ROM² system card using an adapter.
@@JeremyParish , I'm glad someone else caught this (since it stuck out to me as soon as I heard it), but to go a bit further: As @karensmith7118 noted, *some* of the Arcade Card games required said card to operate, though some were still compatible with 3.0 cards (I don't have both Arcade Cards, but the 'duo' version of the card still shows the System Card 3.0 splash screen for me, even though I believe it is technically considered a 4.0 revision), so you could argue that it was a type of region lockout for that reason. Also, there's one case I know of (Altered Beast) where the CD version requires System Card 1.0, which was also (unless I'm mistaken) only released in Japan (I *think* Japan also received a System Card 2.1, whereas the US only had 2.0 and 3.0), and you also have the Games Express titles which required their own special card. Best regards
Analogue: They have good products but the shipping and customer support is a disaster. For example, they charge you to send it by FedEx and finally they send your package via USPS, they charge wrong taxes on their products, the list goes on and on. Ahh the worst of all is that they don't do anything to improve. (Fan of the channel)
Very curious, but once you get to CD games (either here or Sega) it would be interesting to see you deal with long load times just to match the original user experience. But I'm not a sadist, so go ahead and skip those lol
Jeremy, you will go down as one of the most accomplished gaming journalists/historians of our time. Excellent video as always
I don’t know about that, but I do like writing about video games.
He is already acomplished journalist and historian,at least in my opinion
he's already the most accomplished as far as I'm concerned. His work is important IMO.
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@@JeremyParishrespect the modesty but you really are the best gaming channel on RUclips. I could watch these videos on repeat for 24 hours straight. I also love your design choices on your thumbnails
Another quality production from Jeremy "Delicate Young Man" Parish
Kind of having a bad morning and hearing about Turbo works coming kind of cheered me up a bit.
Continue making great videos.
All of my dreams have come true, Jeremy Parish is covering my favorite system 😁
This marks the first time in a long, long time where I've recognized the show the channel turns to briefly before the episode starts lol. Viva Doctor Who
Media eyecatches here are always something airing concurrently with the product launch date, so…
@@JeremyParish Ah, that makes sense then. I've not watched 80s TV is a long time...
This made me realize that Jeremy didn't create a similar video about Analogue Pocket. Regardless, excellent video. An unexpected delight.
This is a nice taste of Turbo Works, which I will look forward to next year along with the rest of 1988 and 1989's stuff. I'm also glad that you accurately note that FPGA is emulation, but on the hardware level rather than software emulation which is what most think of as emulation. Works is definitely above marketing spin.
So glad Xevious got a mention 😅. Seriously the PC Engine version is a delight.
Thanks for the video! I never had a Duo growing up or knew anyone who did until I was much older so learning about its library is always fun, like a peek into a bizarro world with unique ports that I'm always surprised got western releases.
Also I hope you make a Xevious Works one day that just compiles every instance you referenced Xevious in all your videos lol
It’s a tossup which has more callouts - Xevious or Heiankyo Alien. But both always put a smile on my face
I had a tg16 at launch. So did a couple of friends.
It was a nice little niche of gaming during that time. We actually used the 5 player tap maxed out.
this didnt happen
@@sb6482There was always that ONE friend in the neighborhood who had a TG-16 lol A "couple friends" is pushing it 🤣😂
Congradulacoins U R 2 cool 4 school. I never even heard of the thing until I was like 15, well over 10 years after they stopped producing them. I think I was slightly too young to have ever really encountered the marketing, and no one I ever met had or mentioned one.
@@royb5820 I never owned or played a TurboGrafx-16, but I do remember seeing the console displayed in Canadian Radio Shack stores and ads for TurboGrafx-16 games in comic books.
I love the PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 personally. It has an underrated library and as I'm trying to get back into Retro Gaming, It'd be fun going to this series as it releases.
As a note: If I am understanding My Life in Gaming's video on the Duo correctly (which also dropped today), then between the two color mods (Composite and RGB) Composite is actually the more accurate to the original hardware for reasons beyond just "most people played through composite video out". Rather, composite/RF and RGB on the original hardware accessed two totally different color banks whose colors sometimes varied wildly, but there was never an official way to access RGB video so this was only discovered by modders after the fact. Because the palettes are so different from each other, the TG/Turbo Duo is in the somewhat unique positon of being a classic console whose RGB output is less preferred to composite. At least in terms of color accuracy, if not signal clarity. Which means that on something like the Duo, where composite signal isn't actually a concern, consider using the composite palette over the RGB to get a more natural look with better color differentiation rather than "HEY DO YOU LIKE MAGENTA?!"
I remember the Wii had Turbographix games on VC. The Bonk games were pretty good, but Castlevania Rondo of Blood? Fantastic. The grim reaper stage with Ghost Ship Painting and that fight on the mast was worth it alone.
Turbo does what Nintenduon't
Hmm… I’ll allow it
@@JeremyParishson of a bitch. You beat me to it, word for word.
Very, very excited for Turbo Works!
I've been watching so much content on the Dr Who youtube channel the intro threw me for a sec.
Looking forward to when you get to Turbo Works proper. It’s such an interesting and great platform.
T...tur...TURBO WORKS!?
*Clutches chest like on Sandford and Son*
IT'S THE BIG ONE!
Half-joking aside, I cannot wait for mine to arrive. Played it when it came out as an uncle and cousin (other side of family) each got one Christmas 89. Never owned one, but I've been collecting for the system for years now waiting for a good deal for a system and then this was announced and answered my prayers.
Great review looking good, hopefully get mine soon.
I appreciate all the work and polish you put into the narration Jeremy! Very erudite by RUclips standards!
I'm excited for Turbo Works and to hear your takes on these games. I picked up a Turbo Duo in the mid-'90s and it became one of my favorite systems. I wish I would have saved all the games, which are ungodly expensive now.
Wow, Jeremy. These videos are just so good. As I was enjoying watching this particular video, I took notice of the attention to detail. Every clip has the clean graphic displaying the system on which the game is being played. And there are a LOT of clips.
Great info, great capture, and great summation. Also while watching, I literally received the email telling me my Analogue Duo had shipped! How’s that for synchronicity?
The great thing about a PCE works, there's a decent shot at finishing the whole thing, yet it has enough games to be a really long series and when it's over you only have one NEC platform left.
I have been stocking up on PC engine games for the last year since I pre ordered the duo. I think I have spent about $3000 on 30 games. It’s the only analogue system that I didn’t have a massive collection already.
Yeah, the prices for this platform add up quickly.
@@JeremyParish I’m so happy they sent you a duo early. It’s also cool that my 8bitdo controllers will work.
I discovered the system 6 years ago; prices were already going up back then, so I got me a turbodrive and a collection of burned cds...
I think there are seven games that utilise features the Supergrafx. It's five main titles, and two Darius games as well. Love your videos, which I discovered thanks to, of all things, your NES baseball episode. Excellent stuff
Very excited for this! I didn't own a TG16 as a kid but a friend did so I was lucky to be exposed to it. I bought one later along with the CD drive then eventually traded that for a Duo to TZD before they went out of business. Thoroughly enjoy the games. Such a great system. Glad to see it getting the Parish treatment!
Woah, that interface looks way different than I expected. Not sure what I think about it yet. I was sure it was going to be the same type of design as the Super NT and Mega SG menu system, but nope. What a curve ball, Analogue! Can't wait to receive my unit.
the intro to ys I from ys I & II on turbografx cd was my first ever exposure to the anime aesthetic, all the way back in what must have been 1990 or pre-snes launch 91. also the pc-engine has a lot of my favorite versions of the soundtracks to a few seminal (to me) games such as darius 1 and 1943 kai, games where the tinny and oblique arcade original audio waveforms leave me scratching my head wondering what they were thinking, but their pc-e arrangements have me leaning forward out of my seat in jubilation, fully 4 koma gaijin bottom panel style. needless to say we never had a tg16 or its variants, but it always seemed cool and rather bespoke, at least as far as on this side of the neogeo (which i never saw in the wild or even heard about outside of the occasional advertisement page in magazines at the time)
Growing up during the console wars, I have always loved the TG-16. I grew up poor in WA state, so the highlights of my childhood were when I was able to rent an NES and game for the weekend, or the frequent visits to Costco, let me explain the latter. The Costco in Tukwila, WA used to have consoles plugged into their high-end CRT T.V.s back in the late 80's/early 90's. The first I ever saw was the short-lived Sega Master System. What ended up staying for about 2 years was the TG-16, with Keith Courage plugged in. I feel Costco was really trying to sell that system out if their inventory and unfortunately, it didn’t sell. For me, this was a blessing, because our weekly Costco trip turned into a trip to a "free arcade" in my mind, of playing Keith Courage every visit. I got pretty decent since the visits were almost weekly, so I pushed myself to try to get as far as I could every visit.
Years later in high-school, I had a friend/neighbor that had a Turbo-Duo, which I thought was the coolest system. When he got the import of Rondo of Blood, I had it in my head that NEC was unjustly overlooked, and that was 1993!!!
I too remember trips to shopping malls where the stores let people just... play games for free as long as you had the energy to stand there and play, so this whole memory-story ended up refreshing some of my own memories. Really feels like it was a different time back then, you don't see a lot of demo-stations like that out in the stores now.
@goranisacson2502 If I could "love" your comment, I would have. You are 100% about that being a different time. I remember walking into a Fred Meyer and going to what was called the "electronics section" in the 90's, and being able to play Genesis and TG-16 games back then. I do remember at Fred Meyer, there was a play limit, but at that Costco, you kind of gave next to the person waiting when you died
I own the Analogue Super Nt. I tried to get the Nt Mini and failed. I managed to get a Pocket, but I ended up giving it away because I realized I didn’t have a use case for it and I thought it would potentially help the channel. (Giveaways don’t really work like they used to on YT)
Their products are great, but the wait and the limited runs and exclusivity have understandably rubbed a lot of consumers the wrong way. That, and the slow rollout of promised updates for the pocket. I feel like I see more criticism than I used to.
I still love their quality and that they put so much emphasis on being able to play the original games. Maybe someday I’ll be able to get that Nt Mini Noir.
Excellent video.
I've been waiting from the very beginning of all of this for Turbo Works.
I’m glad this exists for people who want to play this way. Me? I just want to play games. Have you seen how much PCE games cost these days? I’ll take a PCE-mini over the Analogue everyday of the week. But Jeremy’s video has inspired me to go play some Rondo of Blood. So that’s good.
I've had a morbid curiosity about the TG16 Since it was mentioned in a Teen Girl Squad episode some 15+ years ago. I even bought the TG MINI which is awesome. Really cool to see it's legacy still alive for those few of us who know or care about the dang thing here in free country USA.
Morbid?
I got a TG-16 for Xmas one year in middle school. Don’t remember what made me request one, must have been magazine articles. I was the only person I knew to ever actually own one. Always felt it was a good system hampered by terrible mismanagement and a few bad design decisions, like the 1 game port.
Consider whatever future books with the word "Turbo" on it already bought. As always, you do awesome work.
Collecting for the PC Engine has been super fun. Every time I go to Japan, I'll spend hours going through shelves and learning about previously unknown games to me. It just makes me feel like a kid again, and it's wild how many awesome games just never touched ground in the west (or much cheaper in Japan)
I've been using a modded Turbo Duo R for about a decade, but I'm kind of excited for the Analogue duo since it just makes playing these game much more simple.
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@@JeremyParish Caught me red handed
I have been waiting for this video for a Long time
Yeah, that passive matrix screen on the TurboExpress is really a sight to make eyes sore. It's like the mesh transparencies in a Saturn game, except here EVERYTHING looks like that.
I owned a TurboDuo back in the day. I bought it at an EB late in it's run when it had been discounted to 50% off and I'm still glad I purchased it. I got a handful of extra CD-ROM games to go with it for cheap and it supplied me with months of good gaming. While I'm not in the market to buy an Analogue Duo at this time I am excited to see it's release. Looks pretty solid!
I'm also REALLY excited for Turbo Works in 2024! :)
I've said it before but hopefully this leads to more turbo games being translated.
I have an old 27" CRT that's been collecting dust for 15 years. I was going to take it to the dump, but I think I'm going to use it for a retro-gaming set up instead. Relive some of my fading youth. I still have several old NES cartridges in my closet.
Outside of a Shin Megami Tensei port and Rondo, I know exactly nothing about this console. Eager to learn more.
LaserActive was available in the USA too. I saw it in the Damark catalog back in the day.
The anticipation is real. So excited
I love Analogue’s stuff. Everything i’ve bought from them (Super NT, Mega SG, Pocket) has been great. That said, i don’t see myself buying this - my Turbografx library is less than 10 games, as I really can’t afford most of them. My PC Engine collection is even less so. I love that they’re making it, but it’s hard to justify that price if you don’t already have a TG16/PCE library.
And the adaptor for the Pocket is cheaper, and comes with two other adaptors (Lynx and NGPC). I don't see the point of this system.
@@jonnyehI don't see the point of playing on a small screen or playing on the go. To each their own. Choices are the point. 😊
THIS is what i've been waiting for!
I found a trick for
operate the everdrive (not pro version) on the analog duo. You must first start on a
real hucard game, exit the game, insert the everdrive, go to library, select the previous game and launch it, this manipulation allows you to launch the everdrive ✌️✌️✌️
was hoping one of these early reviews would verify if the 8bitdo 6button pads worked with the duo, for games like SF2
12:38 "The company's been good about delivering features eventually" 🤣
I see they arent sold out yet which doesnt surprise me all that much. I wanted to get one of these but international shipping is so atrocious I had to change my mind. Between owning a real Turbo Duo and and a TG16 Mini im honestly pretty much all set for my PC Engine needs.
Can't wait for mine to arrive! 1UP Yours FOREVER!
Turbo works let's fucking gooooooo!
It took me a while to realize you were talking about a new third party product rather than reviewing an old console.
I really like the Turbografx-16 but the only feasible way to play its games anymore if you don’t already own them is through ROMs, and having to buy an adapter to use an Everdrive is just silly.
The MiSTerFPGA is still the best option for 99% of people who are not collectors
got a good Giggle out of the intro. good job
Excellent video! Though, I dunno what settings you're using on MiSTer....I agree that here it does look softer and more washed out, but that's not my experience at all with 4 different units and having done a TON of capture. I have a solid, crisp 1080p out of it that looks identical to your Duo footage.
GameSack and a Video Works both on the AD on the same day, nice
I've often wondered what would have happened, had NEC not waited so long to release the PCE/TG16 in America. Imagine if it had entered the market in 1988 instead and had a year to build a player base before the Genesis blasted onto the scene. I have to think that would have made the "console wars" far more interesting.
Hitting right as NES reached its peak? It either would have been a disaster for NEC or taken the wind out of Nintendo’s sails. I wonder which.
@@JeremyParish Either way, it would've been really bad for SEGA
I considered getting the Duo but being mainly an rpg fan I just couldn't justify it and the cost of getting the games (It would be Ys1&2, Dungeon Explorer and Neutopia?). Pretty happy with the Analogue Pocket though and was considering the grafx hucard adaptor. I am also one of those mad persons who apparently has a Polymega shipping at the end of this year, so assuming that comes I am interested in investing time into in Sega Saturn games that I saw in the shops but never got to play as a child...
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Great video, as always.
Earlier this year, I bought and read PC Engine: The Box Art Collection from Bitmap Books. My biggest takeaway for why the TG16 failed in North America was marketing. As you said, Hudson had no idea how to sell this, and that point is really driven home here. Whereas the game box art for Japan was dynamic and exciting, the replacement art for North America was bland and uninspired. It had no shelf presence whatsoever. One need only look at how well other companies at the time we’re doing product marketing to see how badly Hudson failed in this regard.
If you stick with it, instead of just doing the one-off to produce a timely review, then It'll be fun seeing TG works in chronological reverse. If not, then that's okay with me too. Just thinking it would be fun.
Oh great I'm a weirdo now for having all Super Grafx games now.
[points, laughs]
Oh wow this is so exciting!!!!
When the Analogue 3D comes out the hype is going to be off the charts. its likely that less than 1% of retro gamers have ever seen a pc engine or turbografx, let alone played one. amongst the general gaming public its unheard of. the manufacturing of this product is a baffling business decision.
Very happy that this is arriving soon for myself. And very eager to see your Turbo Works kick off next year. Not to be too pedantic but PCE Works’ Mega Engine and PlayMaji’s Polymega pre-date this for having an optical drive. Granted those were conventional emulators in a box, but still. 😅 The latter is really solid. A shame for all the supply chain issues hampering rollout somewhat.
I was only talking about optical drives in Analogue’s products. Lots of other products have them. It’s just a new element for this product line.
@@JeremyParish my bad
So… Analogue Pocket episode for Game Boy Works coming at some point? (lol)
Wonderful video!
I wonder if the turbo grafx 16 mini controllers will work?
I didn’t think to try that, will check it out
@@JeremyParish thanks man your the best.
You're the man now dog!
Very excited Jeremy!!
It's an great seek preview of trubo works.😀👍🎮
Great video! I might have missed this, but does Street Fighter 2 CE fit in the slot? I'm worried since the Everdrive doesn't fit, this one won't either.
Sorry, I don’t own that one so I can’t test it!
The Composite Colour palette is actually the accurate one to the console as the games were all designed around composite and not RGB, RGB on the PCE/TG16 series of consoles is highly inaccurate.
Even with a full MiSTer now over 500 (I bought mine for 250 in 2020), I just can't see buying something other than MiSTer. The amount of cores and options and stuff, both Arcade and Console, you get SO MUCH MORE for your money. Plus hopefully at some point CPS-III and PGM (I still believe :D)
On top of all consoles up to Saturn/PSX/N64 ???
And that's not even mentioning how Analogue just can't run a business and ACTUALLY SHIP TO CONSUMERS.
I mean, I like my Pocket but I should, I waited almost 2 EFFIN YEARS FOR THE DAMN THING !!!
Apparently Everdrive Pro has issues with cd audio on original systems and they won't play in stereo without modifications or additional devices. Is the audio proper stereo with cd games on Analogue Duo?
I only encountered the CoreGrafx Mini since I live in Europe
How do you connect the 8bitdo TG16 controllers without the dongle?
I upgraded the console firmware, the white light is blinking on the duo and the controller is blinking blue as well?
I don't understand what I'm doing wrong? 🤔
I have always been interested in the tg16 after playing some of the Bonk games on the Wii VC.
I just wish that the games didn’t cost an arm and a leg from scalpers.
I was looking at the prices of games and holy crap! Even acquiring Vectrex games is more reasonable on the budget.
It seems like a good all in one console, back in the day all I had was a turbo express you didn't see me complaining though I blew away the other dudes who had just a gameboy
If only the A. Duo could be bought like a normal item and not a war through pre order windows and waiting months if not years. This company seems to operate on FOMO. Release thing. I give money. That's how I do. Anything else can eat a big fat bag of Willies. Also looking at the Colecovision Phoenix thing.
You can literally go to their website right now and buy the thing for shipping by year’s end.
@@JeremyParish if this is true and real this is like huge and great news.
Update: I saw how much shipping and sales tax to Eastern USA would bring it to. 302 dollars. Yeah I'm not doing that. 34 shipping 18 tax. For a machine that for me is less convenient than just playing on my tablet or Vita and leaving all my disks and hucards on the cd spin rack. My tablet has a 12.9 inch screen with quad Dolby something sound. And I can use my fight stick with metal bat and sanwa buttons. (Would rather have clicky concave Happ but ease of installation makes it good enough.) Maybe if stuff like homebrew and savestate and or Turbo ED were already baked in id still buy albeit grumbling but as is? Gotta pass.
@@CaptainRufusSo, your original statement was nonsense and you’re just making more excuses to cover the fact that weren’t actually interested.
Cool.
@@TheBroz so what are your thoughts on jet fuel melting steel beams?
Dual DUO-Drop with Game Sack, JP... it's not Christmas already is it?? I always find myself so fascinated with these products, but absolutely frustrated by being priced out of these endeavors. It would be absolutely necessary to consider an Everdrive for a product like this, but we're digging into 500 dollar territory for a system that is easily emulated.
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Contrast seems really crushed on the Analogue Duo footage. The sky is completely blown out in the Ys intro, for instance. Might be a limited/full-range RGB mismatch?
My recording set up is not pro grade and I did some post-processing in Premier. Digital Foundry is the channel you want for this analysis.
@@JeremyParish And I'm not expecting that level of analysis. I'm sure DF or My Life in Gaming will have their deep-dives in due course. It's just that, if you're planning to use this for Turbo Works, it would be a good idea to iron out any kinks in your setup now before you realize you've made a mistake 10+ episodes in.
Now I know what I want for Christmas! That way I can play the one English language Turbographx Tactical RPG Dungeons & Dragons: Order of the Griffon. If anyone knows of any others please let me know though.
Wait... can't you launch japanese games on a US console with a US system card? It does not need a card of the proper (game) region, just a card matching the console region.
You forgot to mention the elephant in the room that might sway people towards buying the Analogue Duo: Maintenance.
Anything with a CD? Needs servicing caps and several internals
Anything portable like a GT or an LT? Needs a professional recap
Supergrafx? Need to file a specific peg
I love this console and I do have many hardware revisions, but for people that want to get a full hardware package without any hassle and for a comparatively good price, the Analogue may be the best option
My wondering why a Patreon video wasn't coming up early was quickly answered when i noticed two other channels i subscribe to also dropped their Analogue Duo review within minutes of this going public. Oh those embargos.
In this video you pronounced 8BitDo as "8-bit-doo". Are you sure that's right? I always assumed it was more like "8-bit-dough", kind of rhyming with "Nin-ten-do".
I actually do not care, if it makes any difference
JOHNNY TURBO MENTIONED
Well… alluded to.
They’re not that good about updates. The pocket dock is still a moderate disaster. It doesn’t save your video settings on power off so any square display stuff like gameboy is cut off by default. They also still have controller detection problems and grayed out button remapping meaning it’s luck if you find a pad to play with. They promised and didn’t deliver over two years now. Not to mention cutting off the stand alone adapters to force all three at a higher price. I’d wait and see what’s added before buying.
"The TurboGrafx, and it's siblings, included a small amount of integrated re-writable memory." Negative. Just to say that the OG TG16 and PCE had no way to save games without use of a peripheral (Tubo Booster plus, Tennokoe Bank, the CD dock, etc.). Not even the vanilla Turbo Booster could save games, you had to have the plus model. And none of the Turbo Chip or HuCards could either, to the best of my knowledge.
Small correction aside: Great video, you've got me thinking pretty hard about this. TurboGrafx 16 is easily my second or third favorite console of all-time. The prices for original gear has gotten so out of hand, just selling a few things I got cheaply, back when nobody gave a sh!t about Turbo stuff, would probably net me enough money to buy one of these.
which will release first, turbo works #1 or analogue duo dac support
i do have to say though, analogue OS needs a 'big screen' mode. it looks great on the pocket, not so great while docked or on the duo.
Those of us over 40 appreciate the large print edition console
Region lockout misinformation at 5:45.
CD games themselves were *not* region locked; any region CD-ROM² game would play using any region CD-ROM² system card and similarly any Super CD-ROM² would work on any device that had Super CD-ROM² playability whether that be an older console with a Super CD-ROM² system card or hardware like the original Duo systems that had Super CD-ROM² built-in.
It could be said that Arcade CD-ROM² games were region locked as the Arcade CD-ROM² cards never released outside of Japan, but they play fine if you can manage to get the console to load the Arcade CD-ROM² system card using an adapter.
My mistake. I’m still in the research and exploration phase of this series and probably misspoke on a few facts.
@@JeremyParish , I'm glad someone else caught this (since it stuck out to me as soon as I heard it), but to go a bit further:
As @karensmith7118 noted, *some* of the Arcade Card games required said card to operate, though some were still compatible with 3.0 cards (I don't have both Arcade Cards, but the 'duo' version of the card still shows the System Card 3.0 splash screen for me, even though I believe it is technically considered a 4.0 revision), so you could argue that it was a type of region lockout for that reason. Also, there's one case I know of (Altered Beast) where the CD version requires System Card 1.0, which was also (unless I'm mistaken) only released in Japan (I *think* Japan also received a System Card 2.1, whereas the US only had 2.0 and 3.0), and you also have the Games Express titles which required their own special card.
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You forgot the Duo RX and the Pc Engine LT 😂
I mentioned the LT but you’re right about the RX. D’oh!
Analogue: They have good products but the shipping and customer support is a disaster. For example, they charge you to send it by FedEx and finally they send your package via USPS, they charge wrong taxes on their products, the list goes on and on. Ahh the worst of all is that they don't do anything to improve. (Fan of the channel)
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Very curious, but once you get to CD games (either here or Sega) it would be interesting to see you deal with long load times just to match the original user experience.
But I'm not a sadist, so go ahead and skip those lol