How Does The AE86 Compare To Its Modern Counterpart?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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The gt86 came with the skinny tires so it didn’t need all the power in the world to get sideways. Which it does nicely
So they cheated
@@brandteous4232 I wouldn’t call it cheating, just an interesting decision by Toyota
The prius tires was to make the car easy to slide, and the tyres ''cheap'' to replace !
The "Prius" tires are actually eco Michelins that came with a sport wheel option on the Prius, and are far more expensive to replace than track tires
Source: I own one
@@ApexNo then explain why when you search for Toyota GT 86 tyres you get results that hover around 50 pounds, and when you search for Prius tyres it's the exact same thing ?
@@SkateGeneva do link Michelin Primacy HPs in 215/45/17 at such a cheap price, because it costs far more over in North America
I can attest Primacy are literal shit, and overpriced for what they are.
@@MDethCKR from Michelin's perspective, the average car owner wants less rolling resistance for fuel economy, road noise, and tire wear, thus resulting in a tire that does not provide much grip compared to sticky road going one lap wonders like the Bridgestone RE71R. The Primacy is going to be what the average Joe wants from a tire, giving Michelin and other tire manufacturers incentive to price such a tire higher than sticker and sportier road tires.
The Primacy HPs are actually decent tires on track for driver skill development due to its predictable grip falloff as the tire experiences increase in slip angle, but I wouldn't recommend anyone to go out and buy a new set for the track when they are done due to reasons such as performance/$, and compound heat capacity
If you are not blowing up your 4AGE engine, you are not doing it right
True
Blown up mine last october... guess i was doing it right!
@@gabratte9858 so when are you getting your 11k rpm group a weeb machine?
@@stefanhuber7338 As much as I love the 4age in my MR2 (dont have an ae86, sadly!), i decided to swap it with a 4th gen 3sgte 2.0L turbo hehehe
That's cuz he wasn't racing a lan-evo with some of that legendary missfireing system
Both cars have their weakness mainly speed, but they have enough character and charm to make weebs scream for generations to come
Oh, hey!
Why don’t you talk to Natsuki anymore?
Challenge Papa to a race and we’ll see who she chooses.
Just step on the gas and you’ll be her hero.
@@TotoDG I'll be riding for passion
That's great and all, but how do they compare when you have to deliver tofu in a hurry? :thinking:
Tofu in car +500hp
Just play the fast and furious Tokyo drift theme song
Instructions unclear. My FWD box is now upside down on Mt. Akina. Pls send help.
Well the old school 86 would be worse due to solid rear axle and hopping mid corner which would upset the tofu
It’s about .818 seconds faster pretty marginal when you door dash
Your heel and toe is majestically fast, and consistent. I love it.
[1:53]
"In terms of cornering characteristics, you're already seeing them; the car likes to slide...
*(Initial D flashbacks)*
[2:00]
...but that's how get the speed out of it."
ん- 何！？
慣性ドリフト！？
The beauty of both these cars IRL is how enjoyable they are to drive at the limit, not their quantity of performance. The MX5 shares this trait. I wish more people understood that.
*eurobeat intensifies*
You are not well visited in Japan... tbh...
Stig looking kinda THICC
jimi boradubentou: 68 is the main character in initial d
takumi: *clueless
keisuke: YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR MOUTH
the AE86 would have won if you had utilized the 'Fujiwara zone'
And remember. Only noobs enter the corner in the gutter. Pros engage the gutter mid-corner and exit out of the gutter.
You're shifting too early and selecting too high a gear coming out of the corners. It's a digital engine, you're not going to hurt it.
r e m e m b e r t o a l w a y s b u y a n a l o g e n g i n e f o r e v e r
Well it is a sim.. part of the fun is shifting like a real car
The fantastic handling of the gt86 comes to action when you start trying really hard to squish every tenth of second off your laptime. It's one of the most enjoyable s cars to drive on the edge by default on AC. I wouldn't recommend eco tyres though...
RAioD Edilan I’ve owned both AE86 and GT86. Like you say, the GT86 is the only car I’ve driven where it just gets better and better the faster you push. The way it yaws through the slip angle on the limit is to die for. The AE86 is just a classic car that puts a smile on your face. The sound of the 4AG is top notch though. The Flat four sounds like shit lol
Should have used the gutters more...
And drifted cause it is faster. If you don't believe me just watch Initial D.
It is true though because you can hold speed and power through the corner
@@initialyeet3951 Yeah but i takes a lot of precision to put your wheel right in the gutter and not miss it. I find the best time to use a gutter is if it is right on the apex of a slow hairpin to help you get turned.
@Zwenk Wiel you can put your wheel in the gutter but you gotta be accurate to keep your wheel in it.
@@sug8056, on a proper track, like in the video, drifting is definitely not the fastest way around lmao
Weren't the Prius tires put on the GT86 because they had almost no grip and made it slide easily?
1. with my setup you would be 1 maybe 1.5 sekonds faster
2. you have to roll the water
I'll try them to improve my time at Akina, especially when it's "Bunta Approved ™ "
Bunta daddy teach me how to drive the AE86 ugu
whats the setup???
And dont forget the eurobeat
is that a oversteery slidey setup or understeery setup i have a bad history with understeer though
that live axel really just wants to drift
@jonny j yeah I know what you mean but if the 86 didn't have a live axle then it wouldn't be the world most enjoyable car. Yeah it's funny when you talk to people who say they know everything about the 86 and the they have no idea what a live axle is
@jonny j it's not just the live axle, it's weight distribution isn't 50/50 and is slightly forward, and it's boxy shape and lack of a spoiler in most cases gives it some lift in the rear at high speeds, and i think it's fair to say it has a fairly short wheelbase compared to a lot of other cars. The suspension has to be set up really meticulously similar to a miata you need a really stiff front with a pretty loose rear or else the car will oversteer a lot, and most people don't know how to really setup their cars or are turned into drift cars so of course people want them to oversteer, sometimes unhooking the rear sway bar for both those cars is usually a good thing believe it or not, so long as you're using stiffer springs, a little more weight will transfer to the rear to slightly balance it out more and provide more grip for the rear tires.
You don't "drive" an AE86 Corolla, you commune with it; everything the car doesn't have (ABS, TCS, power steering) is what makes it special.
That sacrosanct place we as auto enthusiasts don't get anymore, where it truly is just you and your machine; that missing other-half with no buffers in between you and the car.
It's hard to explain without sounding like a total loon.
I love mine (non-running...I bought it non-running, its been a project car), even never having driven it yet...the more I work on it, the more I fall in love with it, the more my anticipation grows...longing for that experience of pure mechanical joy I haven't experienced yet in my life, and count myself fortunate to have a car that will eventually deliver me to that end.
I know I sound like a total nut-job just my two-cents.
Man, best comment I've ever read in RUclips. That's what's life means. Getting up in the morning and work for that special moment in your life, when everything has a meaning. You are a true petrolhead.
a lot of time was being lost in the GT86 when you shift early at 7k, dropping your revs down below 5.5k where there is a severe lack of torque
Is there the same video on this track with 1st gen mx5 with 1.6 vs. modern mx5 with 2.0 engine?
I'd love to see that as well, assuming he hasn't already done it.
Old car vs new car is a great concept for a video series. I’d like to see you try old and new F1 cars, old and new LMPs and old and new GT cars on various tracks. Keep it up, love the videos Jimmy!
currently there are two models of the AE86 that i built sitting in front of my tv. One of them is Takumi's, and the other is a stock red one. If that isn't weeb enough for you, I also have Mako's Sileighty sitting atop of my stereo. :P
Nani!?
DoubleT4596 U L T I M A T E W E E B
You could go ultimate weeb and hang a poster of initial D somewhere whilst watching every single episode (and all three legend movies) whilst screaming *_"NANI?!"_* every time they do in the show.
86's are rare now i have only saw 2 on the road
The goal of the stock 86 in assetto is to drive it the hardest you possibly can. The live axle is a bit wonky and if you dont keep power to the wheels it could easily slide out. Due to the live axle the rear also hops quite a bit through the corners, which can be annoying. The GT86 is a well balanced car in the game and it's fairly easy to drive, decent cornering with the right setup aswell.
I raced a 1984 AE86 with the Panda paint scheme, for 3 years in SCCA and NCSCC in the California San Francisco Region and that is heavy competition. I won 7 Championships in 3 years including the SCCA Regional and the SCCA Divisional along with The Northern California Sports Car Council Series Championship for 2 years running..
I loved the old version. I could do almost anything in that car. It was just plain great.
I scared myself in it more than once. One of the best times was at Sears Point International Raceway in 1991. Good to see it is in a sim. I may have to get the sim just to race like old times.
BRZ B: Boxer engine R: RWD Z: Zenith of drifting (hence the Prius tires to make the rear skid about)
You know what the new 86 cannot do...
Deliver Tofu.
I've driven a friend's GT86 with the stock skinnies and then bigger wheels, much more fun on the stock ones. Could really get the car to move around on demand at lower, safer speeds and was massively predictable. Should have had an option for wider rubber, but I can see why people raved about the skinny tires, great car to learn car control. Great fun but still safe. Reminded me of a modern MK1 MX but with harder springs and dampers.
It's a drifting car still, that's why you've got the thin wheels. Meant to fling it around, not get crazy lap times.
The Prius tires are so the manufacturer can increase the fuel mileage rating. The second you put a sport tire on the car you lose a couple mpg. It's an old truck auto manufacturers use to say their car gets better mpg than reality.
Man: let's test these ae86's
*didn't drift around a single corner*
Jimmy,
New GT86 was shipped with Prius tires so you can ROAST THEM OFF and stick it to a all them Prius'es or Pre'i ... Also I think it had something to do with the limited grip and rolling resistance from the prius tire which would allow a 200hp car to slide and drive like it has 60more HP because it doesnt have super grippy tires.
never clicked anything so fast
same
Original is much lighter and has much more exciting engine, new GT86 is meh in comparison
On other hand new ND Mazda mx-5 is much more closer spec wise to the original NA Miata.
true c:
Why you so mean towards me :(
How Isn’t a 2.0l boxer-4 exciting?
That’s actually quite a lot of power for an engine of its own kind. It’s only a naturally aspirated 2.0l 4-cylinder. Though It makes around 200hp. Most cars nowadays achieve these figures by turbocharging. Yet this one is NA, which means it was tuned carefully before going into mass production.
Plus the car itself weighs only around 1220 kilos. Again, pretty good considering it even keeps up to the safety regulations, most other cars weigh 150-250 kilos more. The real issue with the GT86 is the tires. But that can be fixed. So imho, the GT86 does a great job at being a spiritual successor and a weekend fun car.
The gt86 fr-s and brz are great cars they just aren't the same as the ae86. I believe it even says somewhere if I recall correctly saying it is more like an s16 (s15 silvia remake and not an ae86)
In a world where turbocharged 2 liter, often AWD, hatchbacks are the cheapest way to gain access to a "performance" car (talking about new cars here), both, the GT86 and MX-5, are a fresh breath of air to the world of affordable new performance cars. Especially with the 86 with its unique engine configuration and RWD. Both cars retain the traditional recipe of a sports car: RWD and a relatively low weight.
This is why the STI has a unique character even with its outdated EJ25 engine. Hence it's going to be a sad day if Subaru decided to ditch the boxer engine in favor of a conventional inline four for the upcoming STI.
They used Prius tyres purely because it meant it wasn't too grippy, meaning you can feel the chassis and balance work.
Please mirror the main camera. I am falling out of my chair here when you are turning corners :P
Honestly I suck with traction control and stability control systems. It’s difficult because it’s doing the work for you and it does what I don’t want it to do often. It’s cool if you use those systems tho I don’t really care as long as I don’t get bumped into
I'm glad we're using a video game to make comparisons on these two cars. Good comparison.
The GT86 is currently the main car of MF Ghost, the sequel manga with the main character is a student of Takumi
This is a GREAT idea for a new series! VW GTi Mk1 vs new etc. Do it!
I didn't notice but really nice T-shirt 👀
Will you do more Beamng?
Idk if this was actually the case irl since I haven’t handled an AE86 myself. But in the anime, the car boasted it’s handling during downhill races in mountain passes. It uses the slope to go fast and oversteer to lose minimal speed during entry and exit of very tight corners. I feel like putting it in a wide and flat track, with uphill parts mind you, is kinda bit unfair for showcasing the strength of the car (as portrayed in the show that is).
Hi jimmy, lately i was wondering how fast the gns longboi can lap around the isle of man circuit xd
Tsuchiya didnt invent Drifting
He is just the king of it
Definiton of AE86: this car is so much fun, everyone who drive it say that, even on a simulation, who can't translate the smeel, the aura of it, everyone accord to the amount of fun, this car is more fun than gtr Horse power potential
that was very cool video. I enjoyed it very much. You should do more comparison videos of old vs. new car. You sir, just earned a new subscriber. :)
this is the vid that got me subscribed to mr jimmer shedderbent
i think topgear put it best: the gt86 launched with prius tires so that it's way easier to hoon
1:41 Tokyo never sleeps
The tires are ecos so there’s not much grip on the rears, making it easier to slide. They actually chose oversteer over handling. In the end, that’s what fans of the 86 wanted, right?
I can get the AE86 also around in 1:11:500 with 10 laps. Tbh you can brake much later in the AE86 then in the Gt86 but the GT86 has a little more power to weight. I think if you race them both the AE86 might be 0.4 sec slower but it depends on the driver because you need to keep momentum something manny drivers in games and in real dont get. Nice video!
Nice video, Jimmy, I would try to do something like this for other car families such as the Honda Civic and the Mazda MX-5. Sky's the limit there :)
everyone says AE86 like it'ts a completely different model in Toyota's line even though AE86 is just chassis code for the corolla, but i guess its easier to reffer to corollas by their chassis code
also youre shifting way too early in the Eight Six, youre shifting at about 6 or 7 RPMs when you need to go through the enitre tachometer
The old car had a live rear axle and a terrible lack of corner exit traction on any less than smooth surface thanks to all that unsprung weight.
it was destined to be fun!
the prius tyres are thin. This makes drifting easier. This is what makes the GT86 so driftable and cool.
I really liked it so I hit subscribe. Like 2 years ago or something :)
Thanks for the awesome vid Jimmy. Loving yer work Mr Jimboi😉
I can hear Tsuchiya-san shouting at the computer screen when he done the laps in the Hachi.
The dislikes are from Keisuke, Ryosuke, Kenta, Takeshi, Shingo, Wateru, Seiji, and a whole bunch of others I can’t be assed to name.
For me its a nice car i like it i also happen to like initial d but i liked drifting before i knew about it and the car drifting
There are 2 mistakes being made in this vid.
1- No Eurobeat
2- No Drifting (which is where the car shines)
I fucking hate people who say "The GT-86 is so underpowered" like seriously piss off. The GT-86 is supposed to be a fun, affordable sports car and the successor and answer to a newer AE86. The reason people like the AE86 is because it's light and fun to drive. The GT-86 is exactly that yet because they see Porsches and other cars, they call it "Underpowered".
Any one who says they don't need traction control and abs have never driven anything that needed it. We get it your moms 86 olds was "da bomb" when you flipped the air filter cover.
Dori Dori didn’t invent drifting he just made it popular
Mostly offtopic from this video, sorry! But would love a Tips and Recommendations for tuning and technique for a Initial D style of racing in Forza Horizon 4. Sort of grippy but taking corners in a slide along the racing line.
I'm new to the FH series, only having played the original Motorsport way-back-when, and being a setup noob I've been making use of Forzatune 6 and 7 to reasonably positive success, but it still isn't quite right and would love some hints.
Most drift tune videos/guides are those that whack in about 1000bhp, cause a lot of smoke but don't really go anywhere fast. I'm making replicas of the Takahashi brothers RX-7s, getting the stats of each car as close to the anime version as possible. For example, my Keisukes First Stage RX-7 aims for 335bhp, and his Fourth Stage one aims for 443bhp. So, realistic, and not massive power.
Just would love your take on something like that.
This track is a lot of fun.
Keiichi didn’t invent drifting he made it popular
hey jimmy, ive been very happy supporting you on patreon and ive always found it very cool to see my namein the endslate of the video but recently that hasnt been the case anymore, are there too many people to fit into the endslate?
prius tyres have no grip and slide easier so it increases the fun factor for people who arent tracking their car which is the majority of gt86 owners lol
Why isn't there a key in the ignition?
can you do a hot lap with a eurobeat just a comparison if eurobeat music make you drive even faster...
An italvolanti admiral would have shaved a couple of seconds off from the AE86 lap.
I reckon the new 86 should have came with a turbo. I know someone who owns one and he said it had no balls what so ever. I mean yeah it's designed around handling, but some power would be nice.
The eight tens is a yoke!
Seiously though, in downhill racing, the old one is sure to beat the nee
NICE SHIRT JIMMEH
VIDEO JIMMY OPTION V.1
The AE86 could've been 2 tenths quicker at least with a cleaner T1. Gotta say anyone who thinks the new car is better is absolutely halucinating. Lighter cars are more fun and the gt86 is still dissapointingly heavy if I'm honest. All it's laptime came from the straights.
I'm guessing they just put prius tyres on as standard to please the regulators, they only look at economy stats of the car as it is sold as standard so a slight improvement in economy per car lowers their average eco-footprint throughout their entire product range, similar to why there are cars with 2 totally unusable seats in the back (lowers insurance risk category vs selling it as a 2 seater from the factory), "hey look at our sports car it's got eco friendly tyres *please don't tax us*"
back seats have no influence on insurance premium, stop spreading internet myth. And tyres were to make car fun as in slidey even tho its quite low on power.
RWoody1995
>"pls dont tax us"
>car costs 60k euro.
Mission failed, we'll get them next time.
@@MisTomis - based on the way you spelled 'tyrese, I'm guessing you're European. Over here in the US, insurance does take into account things like 'useless' rear seats. A 2+2 would be slightly cheaper to insure than a straight 2 seater.
With that said, the difference is often not worth considering. 1 ticket is a lot more $$ difference than you save with the rear seats, so... meh.
Not mission failed actually, this is just speculation obviously but it is often the case in regulations that reducing some parameters some silly small amount like 1% can be the difference between getting a product to market or not so the alternative could have been no GT86 ...btw... 60k? they cost 30k...
Tomek Czajkowski, you can guarantee Toyota/Subaru engineers would have preferred to put better tyres on the GT86 as standard, it's just marketing wank you are being gullible to if you think they actually *wanted* to reduce the cars grip. Claiming putting shit tyres on the car to make it fun is classic of a marketing department trying to sell a "bug" as a "feature".
RWoody1995 they cost 60k new here in the land of fuck you, pay for everything better known as the netherlands.
2nd hand you can get them for ~25k
Woah the weeb car
Pfft yeah who even likes initial d?
*wait*
Lmao
yo Nico, Daniel will beat your ass next year
I'm way better then him check race of the champions 2015 when we both raced on equal cars i beated him so hard
I say the same bout Hamilton Mercedes... btw shouldnt you be racing?
Lol the internet explorer logo in the GT-86
BRZ and GT86 are more related to the Silvia platform than the AE86, change my mind.
Takumis Ae86 had a 220hp race engine tho
Jimmy if you could, would you mind adding in the description a link to the MOD cars you use in your vids. I'd love to use some of the awesome cars you drive in
Bunta Fujiwara: You Doesnt teach the AE86 the AE86 teach your
R.I.P Bunta 2018 😥
The car doesn’t actually come with Prius tires though.
Jomble Brassbont, there's not a video of yours i won't click like on, but I think with the plethora of "remastered" cars coming out these days you should make a load more of these old
ew comparisons at maybe...Zolder
If I remember Bunta correctly, pretty sure he doesn't touch the brakes. I think that's the key
Bunta also rolls a cigarette while going through the corners
Your videos are awesome keep up the good work
I can't speak intelligently about the AE86 but he left a bit of time on the table with the GT86 by shifting at 7000rpm. Take it all the way to 7300-7400 and he'll find a few 10ths.
NA vs ND MX-5.
You know you want it, boi.
So do it.
Do. It.
Now.
I m the owner of a good ae86 rust specc i have few videos on my YT channel if you have 5 minutes to spare :v , and few years ago i won a thing with Toyota France and had the chance to drive hard on track a GT86 for a day on a little track ,well i ve prefered the old one for its awesome sounding 4ag engine ,the lovely interior and of course the solid axle with lsd ! but the new one is just awesome to drive too ! fu**bois love to say it s a slow car but it s not at all :v , in present years you need balls to made an RWD car with a good torsen diff , and an handling like that ! the car can do lot of things , trackdays and can be a fun drift training car without changing any parts , and a perfect daily with good fuel consumption ! it s basically a big toy ! maybe the only modern car i would buy (i m more in love 80's and 90's cars).... if i don t buy another AE86 ! PS : with oem suspensions on both cars i think the GT86 can be a lot faster than the old 86 :p
I own both of these cars IRL, I know this is a sim but the GT is much faster than my Sprinter. I have a huge feeling you're not driving the GT properly, the GT and Sprinter can't be driven the same at all. When I say much faster I mean MUCH faster, my local track times are a good 10-15% faster than when I do them in my Sprinter.
One other useful data in the comparation is the average speed of the track, so what is the track lenght ? A heavier car can not be faster everywhere :)
Maybe there is a diference between the official track lenght and the path the car takes, because it drives only in the ideal line. (Just drive in ideal line in constant speed (keep 2-3 gear reved for constant speed) and see how long it takes,then calculate the distance)
Ah Initial D vibes
I don't want either car, but if I had to choose, I'd get the older one on account of it not being a modern plasticky piece of junk.
Ah hello there, how is your day closet weeb?
Ah yes, the famous Panda torino
now you need to see if the ae86 with a 11000 Rpm limit can go faster than the modern 86
Great video jimmer very interesting
Who else wants to see jimmer attack B roads but with pedal cams and commentary etc 🤔