An agency or hospital can dump the nurse at anytime, or change the rate at any time. If you need to break a contract, don’t feel bad for the recruiter, agency, vendor, or hospital. It’s business and they’re making a lot of money off you.
The timing of this video is crazy. We literally had to cancel our contract (the first time in my 5 years of traveling) Friday. It was a super tough call, but in the end, my license was more important. Great information!!!
I worked two weeks on a contract but unsafe practices so I left it. That was aureus. I went to Titan and had no issues. I was never asked any questions either
When I lived in Vegas and worked in ER at one of the hospitals, I knew of three nurses who broke their contract at this hospital. One told me Detroit wasn’t as crazy as Vegas was! And it’s very crazy in Vegas!. So heads up to all travelers.... don’t do an assignment in Vegas!!... the health care there sucks!!... been their done that... won’t go back!!
I've never been added to a DNR list yet, but I've met a few nurses who made the DNR list. It seems like a pretty big hospital especially with how interconnected the Travel Nurse community is. Cool video, thanks for sharing!
My wife agreed to her first NP contract and they were going to send her to Scottsdale. We then had some marital problems come up, and we thought she had better stay home to get us worked out. Found out it would give her a black mark on her traveling resume, so she said she would sign the contract. Ended up sending her to a Indian Reservation in the higher elevations of AZ. Had to repack all her summer clothes for winter ones! I said that's what happens when you try to back out of a contract! Into week three of a eight week contract.
My husband was a locums as a CRNA for 15 years. Almost every contract he signed had a 30 day out clause, which worked for both the hospital and the CRNA. If either one wanted to be released from the contract you had to give 30 days notice. No mention in the contract of any penalties. Sounds like different fields of nursing have different types of contracts. Also with current covid conditions, contracts are being written differently. Always read through any contracts. Great information.
True true. It's worse now with Covid but even before that there were penalties and consequences for breaking contract. I'm sure you are right about maybe being different depending on field of work.
This is why I won't do travel nursing. They can break the contract by cancelling you, but you get penalized if you break the contract! A contract is a contract... both sides should have to hold their end.
Thank you so much Kristin and John, this video really help clarify my question earlier to you guys, it’s definitely soothing to see someone’s else’s perspective that has more experience in the traveling nurse field. Thanks so much for the video and info...
Appreciate the video. Emotional decision making cam definitely have long-term negative effects. My 1st assignment was blah, but not bad pay. I'm getting a little more for my next assignment. Patience is key.
Why was it blah ? 😐 So will this next assignment be your second ? I’ve been nervous about starting travel nursing for years and now even more nervous with covid 😘 I’m just wondering if you started your travel career during Covid and was it more challenging do you think ? Blessings
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 This is my 1st assignment. It's not Covid pay, but I get floated a lot. I've worked covid @ my home facility from April to June, so working covid doesn't bother me. Float pay is higher, which makes my pay blah, considering I get pulled every week. Sometimes twice n 1 shift. I don't regret my choice of traveling. I came in expecting whatever, so I take the good with the bad. I'm glad I didn't extend my contract though. My next assignment should be cool. I think you should go 4 it. My pay isn't bad. Keep a positive attitude & expect nothing but to be a light & to provide excellent patient care. You will be fine. Teamwork is IMPORTANT, esp when traveling.
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 Working covid can b pretty simple. This facility provides us with scrubs 2 work covid, which is great. I wear my N95 everywhere anyway, even 2 the store. I go nowhere without 1. Don't let ur guard down when working with covid, even with ur peers. Wipe down all surfaces and try 2 use ur own computer, if possible. Wipe down if some1 else uses it.
@@mistermilkman thanks so much for the advice and the encouragement ! I’m at a rough spot in my life and trying to figure out and decide on my future ( or next step anyway😚). I had done a bunch of research on traveling a couple years ago, life got busy then covid and I put it aside, now I’m going to weigh it in my decisions !
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 Anytime. I have no problem sharing info. Maybe you can try an 8 week assignment to get your feet wet. Every situation & experience is different. Find a solid reason (money, experience, a break from your current job, something new & different, etc) to travel & focus on that while you're on assignment. Don't let anything stop your focus, not even fear of the unknown. You go in and do your best! All will be fine. I hope to hear great travel experiences from you. 😉😊👍🏿
Hey guys ! Love the videos and the channel.... We are a smaller channel but I am an ER Nurse and looking at travel so I would love to get in touch with an great recruiter...Thanks again..."Make Every Moment Count "
I need to withdraw from a assignment that haven’t even started. Yes, I have signed a contract, but my wife has a Medical issue that needs to be taken care of. Opinions would be appreciated.
Great information! I was wondering this just because of some safety issues I am having on mine as well as my daughter being hospitalized but my Atlas Recruiter has been amazing so far and I’m praying I can get through the next 8 weeks without any more hang ups
I don’t think the different agencies know about where you worked though. I worked with aureus and I quit an assignment two weeks after starting. I was dropped from aureus. I worked with Titan right after. They never asked anything about my assignments with aureus. They just asked dates I worked with them. Everything went great with Titan. I’m now with Aya. Aya did ask every assigment I took with Titan and aureus. I didn’t even document the one contract I left with aureus and was never asked. I know a tech who was a travel tech for 14 years. She left at least 3 assignments in those 14 years and easily got another assignment with diff agencies. So this vendor thing I don’t think is true. I do think if you get a black mark at a hospital system that most likely you will be black listed from that facility but then you just don’t apply to that system.
There are certainly vendors who do blacklist. It's not all, but don't mess around with health trust! As a recruiter now, I would hope my relationship with my travelers is of more value than quitting and leaving. I understand needing to back out and I will help my travelers do so. But walking away and running to another agency is selfish in my opinion. I had a traveler do this to me last week. No call. No show. I am responsible for $1300 right before christmas. Please consider your recruiter and others at the agency who are people too, with families and bills to pay just like you. (And I don't mean you personally of course. Im not suggesting you've done this.) I just think travelers don't understand or consider the consequences beyond just not being able to work with a certain agency anymore.
Always for the person is inconvenient or improper to break the contract, what about for the hospital system themselves, they could do so without any issues? Ah?. Please share your thoughts on that side of breaking the contract. I understand they're the ones in need of people, RNs in this case...
There is a video coming about this but the short story is NOTHING! They can cancel, change your pay, pretty much do whatever they want...calling it a "contract" is a joke and awful.
It really is kind of a “Do Not Resuscitate” his/her career list. ICU nurses are amazing. I used to work at a level I Trauma hospital and after seeing the RN’s in action, I decided that if I were ever unfortunate enough to come in as a trauma patient, I’d demand to be treated only by the RN’s. Get the doctor out of there.
The nurse loses their job. Kinda unfair isn't it? Typically there's an apology from the staffing agency then together you try to find a job quickly. It hurts the most when a nurse has found and signed a short term lease that they then have to break.
If you don't sign the offer letter because you reviewed it and you notified the recruiter that you're going to think about it, do you get blacklisted as well?
@@NoOrdinaryPath Would you mind explaining about bad form? Do you mean rude or impolite? Do you have a recommendation about what I should say if I don't want to sign the contract anymore?
If you get placed on the DNR list, are you notified? I've seen some stories on other groups where a nurse was put on the list and had no idea they were on it or why.
Typically the agencies will notify you if something happens while you're still on contract but if you back out without good reason and proof then you can pretty much guarantee they put you on it.
Hi John, Great channel, I have learned a lot from you guys. I'm gonna travel nurse this Fall. I'd love to connect with your recruiter at Atlas. World you please send me her info? Thanks!
Yes we would but we have never applied for the license. Currently the covid rates are as good or better than the ones we've seen in Cali so for now we just stick to compact for ease.
I disagree Kimberly. I've been doing it successfully for three years. 😄 The key is to remember what not to say: No violations or slander just truth and education. Real Talk!
Surprised and not surprised you mentioned Adventist Health. I guess you have no moral or ethical issues working with such an organization. Adventists and Adventist Health are faith based health care provides and do discriminate. Period. If you are working for them you are supporting faith based discrimination....period.
Larry, not sure what you mean by faith based discrimination? But I know for a fact that there are plenty of good nurses working for bad administrators in faith based and non-faith based institutions. I've works inside all different types of hospitals, Catholic, Baptist, Jewish, Adventist, Non-faith based, Non for profits and for profit systems.
Are there any healthcare institutions that are moral and ethical ? I’m so discouraged by the actions profit driven healthcare and I’ve only ever worked for a big corporation health system that was “non-profit”, which by the way is a smokescreen :(
@@NoOrdinaryPath The Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) church still maintains separate conferences for blacks and whites. (you can google this) Why? This was started after the civil war for good purposes but why continue to this day? ALSO, Seventh Day Adventists do not believe in same sex marriage and will allow for that discrimination to happen in their hospitals and schools to this day, let alone their earlier issues with treating AIDS patients. Yes, the official current website says no problem, but try dealing with this all in reality. I recall not many years ago when traveling on business to Dallas, TX and calling the Texas SDA conference to find a local church to attend and the first question was "Do you want a black or white church"? WOW? Maybe times have changed, but people have not. In my most recent job a couple of years ago I had a Methodist tell me I was welcome to attend church but not welcome as a member because I was was same sex married. WOW! Same would happen for sure at a Methodist or SDA hospital. This is what I meant by faith based discrimination. You are fortunate if you have not experienced it as a white male married to a women with kids traveling nurse, but this is not what many others experience. I totally applaud the you and the other travel nurses out there making a difference and helping in this pandemic. I just want you to be aware of the motives and beliefs of some of the institutions you are working for.
ALSO, I totally love your posts and love following you and the family and full time RV'ing. Your problems have been my problems and I totally identify with. Keep doing what you are doing and please keep us updated. Thank you.
An agency or hospital can dump the nurse at anytime, or change the rate at any time. If you need to break a contract, don’t feel bad for the recruiter, agency, vendor, or hospital. It’s business and they’re making a lot of money off you.
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The agency I’m working with now all of the contracts say “ at will “ and rhat I could be let go for any reason and I can leave at any time.
This Is why recruiters need to be upfront
The timing of this video is crazy. We literally had to cancel our contract (the first time in my 5 years of traveling) Friday. It was a super tough call, but in the end, my license was more important. Great information!!!
I worked two weeks on a contract but unsafe practices so I left it. That was aureus. I went to Titan and had no issues. I was never asked any questions either
When I lived in Vegas and worked in ER at one of the hospitals, I knew of three nurses who broke their contract at this hospital. One told me Detroit wasn’t as crazy as Vegas was! And it’s very crazy in Vegas!. So heads up to all travelers.... don’t do an assignment in Vegas!!... the health care there sucks!!... been their done that... won’t go back!!
Dude. vegas is crazy. Detroit is crazy. certain places just are during certain times. your right it sucks sometimes...
I've never been added to a DNR list yet, but I've met a few nurses who made the DNR list. It seems like a pretty big hospital especially with how interconnected the Travel Nurse community is. Cool video, thanks for sharing!
My wife agreed to her first NP contract and they were going to send her to Scottsdale. We then had some marital problems come up, and we thought she had better stay home to get us worked out. Found out it would give her a black mark on her traveling resume, so she said she would sign the contract. Ended up sending her to a Indian Reservation in the higher elevations of AZ. Had to repack all her summer clothes for winter ones! I said that's what happens when you try to back out of a contract! Into week three of a eight week contract.
My husband was a locums as a CRNA for 15 years. Almost every contract he signed had a 30 day out clause, which worked for both the hospital and the CRNA. If either one wanted to be released from the contract you had to give 30 days notice. No mention in the contract of any penalties. Sounds like different fields of nursing have different types of contracts. Also with current covid conditions, contracts are being written differently. Always read through any contracts.
Great information.
True true. It's worse now with Covid but even before that there were penalties and consequences for breaking contract. I'm sure you are right about maybe being different depending on field of work.
I wish my contracts had that ! I never seen that. I just made 4 weeks at the nightmare I’m at now and I know I would leave it if I could
This is why I won't do travel nursing. They can break the contract by cancelling you, but you get penalized if you break the contract! A contract is a contract... both sides should have to hold their end.
I agree 100 !!!
Great info. Never thought whom else it would affect. 👍🏻
Thanks for the work you do. 😊
Just found your channel. Excellent explanation
Im working in Louisiana and I will def break my contract if a hurricane comes!
Thank you so much Kristin and John, this video really help clarify my question earlier to you guys, it’s definitely soothing to see someone’s else’s perspective that has more experience in the traveling nurse field. Thanks so much for the video and info...
Thanks for the information. Did not know that could be that expensive.
Awesome information! I can’t thank you enough. I’m a 20+ year ICU nurse thinking about
You're welcome! We are glad its helpful and wish you best in your decision!
I wanna be you when I grow up, LOL. I’m trying to convince my husband to get a fifth wheel or a tiny home so I can just travel nurse
@@virginiabautista69 Do it! Just jump. :)
Appreciate the video. Emotional decision making cam definitely have long-term negative effects. My 1st assignment was blah, but not bad pay. I'm getting a little more for my next assignment. Patience is key.
Why was it blah ? 😐 So will this next assignment be your second ?
I’ve been nervous about starting travel nursing for years and now even more nervous with covid 😘
I’m just wondering if you started your travel career during Covid and was it more challenging do you think ?
Blessings
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 This is my 1st assignment. It's not Covid pay, but I get floated a lot. I've worked covid @ my home facility from April to June, so working covid doesn't bother me. Float pay is higher, which makes my pay blah, considering I get pulled every week. Sometimes twice n 1 shift. I don't regret my choice of traveling. I came in expecting whatever, so I take the good with the bad. I'm glad I didn't extend my contract though. My next assignment should be cool. I think you should go 4 it. My pay isn't bad. Keep a positive attitude & expect nothing but to be a light & to provide excellent patient care. You will be fine. Teamwork is IMPORTANT, esp when traveling.
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 Working covid can b pretty simple. This facility provides us with scrubs 2 work covid, which is great. I wear my N95 everywhere anyway, even 2 the store. I go nowhere without 1. Don't let ur guard down when working with covid, even with ur peers. Wipe down all surfaces and try 2 use ur own computer, if possible. Wipe down if some1 else uses it.
@@mistermilkman thanks so much for the advice and the encouragement !
I’m at a rough spot in my life and trying to figure out and decide on my future ( or next step anyway😚).
I had done a bunch of research on traveling a couple years ago, life got busy then covid and I put it aside, now I’m going to weigh it in my decisions !
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 Anytime. I have no problem sharing info. Maybe you can try an 8 week assignment to get your feet wet. Every situation & experience is different. Find a solid reason (money, experience, a break from your current job, something new & different, etc) to travel & focus on that while you're on assignment. Don't let anything stop your focus, not even fear of the unknown. You go in and do your best! All will be fine. I hope to hear great travel experiences from you. 😉😊👍🏿
Hey guys ! Love the videos and the channel.... We are a smaller channel but I am an ER Nurse and looking at travel so I would love to get in touch with an great recruiter...Thanks again..."Make Every Moment Count "
Hey there! Welcome to NOP! Send us an email at noordinarypath@gmail.com and we'll be happy to chat and send you my recruiter's info!
I need to withdraw from a assignment that haven’t even started.
Yes, I have signed a contract, but my wife has a Medical issue that needs to be taken care of.
Opinions would be appreciated.
Great information! I was wondering this just because of some safety issues I am having on mine as well as my daughter being hospitalized but my Atlas Recruiter has been amazing so far and I’m praying I can get through the next 8 weeks without any more hang ups
I will pray for you and your daughter !!!
God is merciful ! 🙏🏻
I don’t think the different agencies know about where you worked though. I worked with aureus and I quit an assignment two weeks after starting. I was dropped from aureus. I worked with Titan right after. They never asked anything about my assignments with aureus. They just asked dates I worked with them. Everything went great with Titan. I’m now with Aya. Aya did ask every assigment I took with Titan and aureus. I didn’t even document the one contract I left with aureus and was never asked. I know a tech who was a travel tech for 14 years. She left at least 3 assignments in those 14 years and easily got another assignment with diff agencies. So this vendor thing I don’t think is true. I do think if you get a black mark at a hospital system that most likely you will be black listed from that facility but then you just don’t apply to that system.
There are certainly vendors who do blacklist. It's not all, but don't mess around with health trust! As a recruiter now, I would hope my relationship with my travelers is of more value than quitting and leaving. I understand needing to back out and I will help my travelers do so. But walking away and running to another agency is selfish in my opinion. I had a traveler do this to me last week. No call. No show. I am responsible for $1300 right before christmas. Please consider your recruiter and others at the agency who are people too, with families and bills to pay just like you. (And I don't mean you personally of course. Im not suggesting you've done this.) I just think travelers don't understand or consider the consequences beyond just not being able to work with a certain agency anymore.
DNR not true you can go to the next hospital trust me I’ve done it
Always for the person is inconvenient or improper to break the contract, what about for the hospital system themselves, they could do so without any issues? Ah?. Please share your thoughts on that side of breaking the contract. I understand they're the ones in need of people, RNs in this case...
There is a video coming about this but the short story is NOTHING! They can cancel, change your pay, pretty much do whatever they want...calling it a "contract" is a joke and awful.
It really is kind of a “Do Not Resuscitate” his/her career list.
ICU nurses are amazing. I used to work at a level I Trauma hospital and after seeing the RN’s in action, I decided that if I were ever unfortunate enough to come in as a trauma patient, I’d demand to be treated only by the RN’s. Get the doctor out of there.
Does your recruiter do CNA contracts? I would love to have competing contracts when my current one is done.. Gotta get that money, honey!
Do they still put you on DNR list after a verbal agreement but didn't sign the contract.?
What happens if the hospital breaks a contract?
The nurse loses their job. Kinda unfair isn't it? Typically there's an apology from the staffing agency then together you try to find a job quickly. It hurts the most when a nurse has found and signed a short term lease that they then have to break.
If you don't sign the offer letter because you reviewed it and you notified the recruiter that you're going to think about it, do you get blacklisted as well?
No, but you've only got about 24 hours to think about it before it's considered bad form.
@@NoOrdinaryPath Would you mind explaining about bad form? Do you mean rude or impolite? Do you have a recommendation about what I should say if I don't want to sign the contract anymore?
I want to back out of a signed contract that I just signed. Do you think I will be penalized.
Hi again! What’s the name of the agency and of your recruiter?
Ashley, shoot me an email at noordinarypath@gmail.com and I'll be happy to pass the info along!
If you get placed on the DNR list, are you notified? I've seen some stories on other groups where a nurse was put on the list and had no idea they were on it or why.
Typically the agencies will notify you if something happens while you're still on contract but if you back out without good reason and proof then you can pretty much guarantee they put you on it.
What is your email address to ask questions about the agency you like?
noordinarypath@gmail.com 😊
Hi John,
Great channel, I have learned a lot from you guys. I'm gonna travel nurse this Fall. I'd love to connect with your recruiter at Atlas. World you please send me her info? Thanks!
Sure thing Jerry, email me at noordinarypath@gmail.com and I'll forward it to you.
Would you ever consider taking a contract in California? Just curious because my hospital is looking for travelers 😜.
Yes we would but we have never applied for the license. Currently the covid rates are as good or better than the ones we've seen in Cali so for now we just stick to compact for ease.
DNR SO funny.....Ironic maybe is better
Right?!!
Just a reminder, not a good idea to make it a habit to talk about work.
I disagree Kimberly. I've been doing it successfully for three years. 😄 The key is to remember what not to say: No violations or slander just truth and education. Real Talk!
Surprised and not surprised you mentioned Adventist Health. I guess you have no moral or ethical issues working with such an organization. Adventists and Adventist Health are faith based health care provides and do discriminate. Period. If you are working for them you are supporting faith based discrimination....period.
Larry, not sure what you mean by faith based discrimination? But I know for a fact that there are plenty of good nurses working for bad administrators in faith based and non-faith based institutions. I've works inside all different types of hospitals, Catholic, Baptist, Jewish, Adventist, Non-faith based, Non for profits and for profit systems.
Are there any healthcare institutions that are moral and ethical ? I’m so discouraged by the actions profit driven healthcare and I’ve only ever worked for a big corporation health system that was “non-profit”, which by the way is a smokescreen :(
@@NoOrdinaryPath The Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) church still maintains separate conferences for blacks and whites. (you can google this) Why? This was started after the civil war for good purposes but why continue to this day? ALSO, Seventh Day Adventists do not believe in same sex marriage and will allow for that discrimination to happen in their hospitals and schools to this day, let alone their earlier issues with treating AIDS patients. Yes, the official current website says no problem, but try dealing with this all in reality. I recall not many years ago when traveling on business to Dallas, TX and calling the Texas SDA conference to find a local church to attend and the first question was "Do you want a black or white church"? WOW? Maybe times have changed, but people have not. In my most recent job a couple of years ago I had a Methodist tell me I was welcome to attend church but not welcome as a member because I was was same sex married. WOW! Same would happen for sure at a Methodist or SDA hospital. This is what I meant by faith based discrimination. You are fortunate if you have not experienced it as a white male married to a women with kids traveling nurse, but this is not what many others experience.
I totally applaud the you and the other travel nurses out there making a difference and helping in this pandemic. I just want you to be aware of the motives and beliefs of some of the institutions you are working for.
ALSO, I totally love your posts and love following you and the family and full time RV'ing. Your problems have been my problems and I totally identify with. Keep doing what you are doing and please keep us updated. Thank you.