I am Brazilian and CNC programmer and operator. I love this channel. I am a big fan of you, we manufacture parts for oil and gas extraction and aerospace, congratulations on the acquisition of the CNCs boom.
Nice machine Titan ! I have run a Hermle C62U-MT. 69,000 lbs with a 42" table, 69 hp at the spindle (with HSK-100 holders) 90+ hp on the table (as a lathe). Only major difference is that it had a Heidenhain control. Easy to pick up on though. Using Open Mind (Hyperlink) for programming. I wish I was 30 years younger and worked for you.
And the thermal expansion of glass is the same rate as cast iron and the glass scales follow the the moving part of each axis there for by passing any inaccuracies in the ball screws . Gantry style 5 axis machines have the best chip evacuation of any machine center. One day it will be mine 😉
I’d like to see how he feeds large programs into Fanucs on these new Doosan’s that have limited memory. I’m sure he’s used to Hass having more than enough.
Chris Wood if you’re going the data server route, wouldn’t you simply M198 from a pc? That’s how I’ve got my Fanuc setup, post from Fusion, immediately cycle start, the only prog on the control is “O0001;M198P0001;M30”
First!! Also great vid titan I’m considering getting a small desktop CBC but that thing absolutely dwarves anything I could ever fit. Very impressive machine.
Encoders compared to scales.... Encoders is on the servo, that is driving ballscrew. Over time, this is wear will make the machine less and less accurate. Scales is external measurement, mounted beside(or on) the actual guide ways, and measure pure distance. So the scale drives the servo. Example: 2020, new machine, 100mm, equals say 1000 revolutions.... 2025, worn machine, 100mm equals 1010 revolutions... Still actually 100mm.... Scales always win! :-)
They are both encoders, it's just that these "scales" are on the load side of the drive mechanism as opposed to on the motor shaft. This eliminates any issues with drive transmission backlash. Typically, in mechanisms that require high precision, there will be two encoders: one at the motor and the other at the load. The motor encoder is used for the high speed feedback loop while the load side encoder is used to offset any inaccuracies that might occur due to high acceleration (wind up) in the transmission. In robotics (my profession) we use it to more accurately position the end effector (hand) as the multi-DOF arm settles into it's desired location. And, of course, the glass encoder scales are less susceptible to thermal variance, but more fragile too. Anyway, my two cents.
Hey Titan; nice machines buddy but I must say that hearing you calling a Doosan beast is an overstatement. Especially after having used a Makino; a Doosan will go nowhere near the Precision and power of a Makino. Can’t wait to get your feedbacks on how strong and well they make chips in comparison to DMG and Makino... 👍 and I really hope for transparency as well to know which machines have issues of leaking oils, flooding coolant and how often they go down and require maintenance. Such infos are as crucial for your audience as many of us are in the business and shops owners as well. Love your charisma and keep up the good work. More chips cutting videos please it’s eyes soothing 😂
straight up... i work for doosan dealer, so yes i am bias... and those are great machines but they also cost 2-3x more depending on situation. as far as leaks and such they will all leak if improperly assembled or due to shoty service.
I worked for Makino as an applications engineer, and now work for a doosan distributor. Makino makes a very good machine, so does Doosan. If it was my money and shop, I would go Doosan all day. Very similar performance and a lot better pricing and service!
@@ciscohernandez4384 Hi Cisco, the pricing will vary based on the area you're purchasing from and options. Are you located in the U.S.? We'd be happy to help get you some numbers.
*had machine with Siemens 840D, one of the easiest to use controls in 5 axis* *Gets full ride from Doosan, downplays Siemens control in favor of clunky fanuc* 🤣
@@gredangeo it can be a trade-off. I've toastered a few Siemens controls because they can be a bit finicky about parameter changes. Fanuc, while archaic, is pretty bulletproof, but the control never really lent itself to full 5x because it's so basic.
@@gredangeo thank you. It's replies and thoughts like yours which motivated Fanuc to step it up and provide a Great control for Multi Axis. 5-9 Axis Fanuc Controls are actually quite good now.
It looks like its more about who is supplying machines for a deal, than what machines are best. I own 2 DMG machines. DMF 180 and NZX 2000. I will stick with one brand that has served me well.
Nice revolution of the machine shop! A question about the tooling: why did you choose 40 taper big plus over HSK-63? Is there a performance difference or is it for standardization of the tooling with the existing ones? Maybe also cost is a factor since HSK are more expensive.
definitely south korea and only SK , orginally they were a ship builder that needed bigger better machines that weren't available at the time so they made there own, thats what they told me at a doosn class in NJ, hopefully ill be going for training at SK factory next year for 2 weeks.
I'm sure Titan, and his drive for education, is attracting a lot of interest from industry and has probably led to some corporate joint ventures and whatnot. And well deserved I say.
to my knowledge about 400k... closer to 5 all said and done with. running 40 hours a week investment is returned in 3-6 months depending on feild of work.
@@SH-id2lb I think you need to do the maths again . If the machine cost $500,000 divided by 40 hours per week , divide this by 26 (number of weeks in 6 months ) & you get $480 / hour . This hasn't allowed for wages , tooling , other workshop expenses . If you change to 3 months it is $961 / hour. I don't know what Titan charges per hour but it isn't anywhere near this hourly rate.
@@gearloose703 not sure what price would be , but I priced a second hand Doosan horizontal twin pallet . This was $350,000 , for a 8 year old machine. I was only questioning the other comment on how long it would take to pay off a machine.
I know a lot of what you do and the variety you have is for educational purposes, but is it common for machine shops to have lots of different brand machines? I know you already have several DMG's, do they not have a machine comparable to this Doosan? Is it common to invest in specific machines for specific jobs?
if part contract will pay for machine sometimes they do buy for certain part, most shops are geared towards certain types parts. dmg is a great machine but cost 2-3x times more than doosan. the way i see it doosan is Cadillac/mid price benz, dmg is amg... you dont need a AMG to drive 2 miles to work but yea there fun to have, but you could get 2 or 3 for the price of one.
our plant runs mazak, doosan, haas, fanuc (robodrill), etc. depends on a lot of factors like if the machine is leased/bought, automated or manually fed, whats important between high volume vs high precision vs complicated machining features, weather it's dedicated to one customer/project, budget, etc.
I'm pretty sure these machines are part of a sponsorship deal and that's what Doosan were giving. Big plus is good, but not even sure Doosan ofter HSK options
@@Pande2112 well blow me... 🤔 I still think its down to the sponsor deal though. Things like the control tells me the machine isn't top spec and not by choice.
@@wildin13 Doosan buys more Fanuc controls by far, than any other MTB on the planet. Fanuc is our bread and butter. This machine, as configured, is equivalent to, or better than, anything Seimens or Heidenhain can do. User friendliness? Maybe, but that might even be a stretch.
@@Pande2112 interesting 🤔 when we had our doosans i was told the fanuc controls lacked the processing power that the heidenhain (or Siemens) would give (plus most our shop is heidenhain so second nature to us) But I think that was 4-5 years ago now
@@kevind1865 i know but he keeps talking about precision all the time ( and got a fanuc so why not also get a kern ( then he can teach us the 3 main controlers ( the simens the fanuc the hidenhaim ( he pretty much already have teached us the haas control )
@@Pande2112 Interesting. In Germany the Doosan Excavators are known as cheap Liebherr copies with less features. So it's interesting that they build well engineered CNC Machines.
@@oberender64 Doosan Infracore wasn't doing well and Doosan Machine Tools was their best performing piece. That is why it was sold, to maximize return. But Doosan Infacore also built ships, ship engines, nuclear reactors and so on. They were the Korean equal to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
I always wonder, since these are huge investments, what makes you choose and brand and model over an other? I have no idea about machining whatsoever, I just like the videos
most shops continue buying with the dealer that takes care of them, im in cnc service and i strongly believe Service sells... but machine requirements/specs, cost, and availability all play a big part also.
Doosan, DMG Mori have high rigidity comparing Haas. Doosan machines are seasoned and undergoes dampening and usually takes 5-6 months to arrive. That's why these machines are very expensive than Haas.
TITAN, there is no better cnc control than Heidenhain...yes, its a closed system also, I work on 840 D SL Sinumerik, yes, its capable, but too open system, (why the hell I need to know all the crazy variables, parameters etc. to do the simple or even a dumb jobs, why do I need macro understanding at a high level, yet, even if I know, there are unlimited options for doing exactly the same operation...we need to lean towards the standard, so cnc machinist can be quickly adapted into a new company, nature of the work and a philosophy etc.Too many CNC control systems, too many coding, to much cost is related to a custom posts, CAM, configs, extras software etc. Too many tooling options, too many this and that...what is the point? time is a money at the end...
hi TITAN my dear how are you .i wish you a good luck.my name is SAMIR FRANCIS and i work on machin like this.my work is my hoby. i wish some day we will met.and i invite you to visit me in the old city of ACRE israel.
Your Passion and excitement are contagious, lets get the youth interested so they can be part of the US Manufacturing Resurgence were entering
I am Brazilian and CNC programmer and operator. I love this channel. I am a big fan of you, we manufacture parts for oil and gas extraction and aerospace, congratulations on the acquisition of the CNCs boom.
let's see some chips 👀
As always, you're one of my heroes!
You're freely teaching and sharing to make America great again!
Boom! :)
Someone has to make America great again. There is this other dude which pretends to do that but who f$#$% it up all the time.
Yo this guy getting a new machine delivered every day 😆
and cutting nothing lol
He partnered with doosan for his aerospace academy im sure he got a hefty discount for all of this advertisement
@@keithhasafastcar It's just an advertisement company now.
I guess after all, media and marketing make more money than manufacturing.
Jose Hernandez exactly! This has become more an ad channel for Kenna, Schunck, Doosan, Tormach, Fanuc, Blaser and so on.
Schill channel
Nice machine Titan ! I have run a Hermle C62U-MT. 69,000 lbs with a 42" table, 69 hp at the spindle (with HSK-100 holders) 90+ hp on the table (as a lathe). Only major difference is that it had a Heidenhain control. Easy to pick up on though. Using Open Mind (Hyperlink) for programming. I wish I was 30 years younger and worked for you.
Super excited you're moving into Fanuc controls both in your shop and in the Academy!
I absolutely love everything this man is doing for this trade . Thank you titan .
5:56 "i'm not an expert"
print on shirt: CNC EXPERTS
He is an expert in CNC machining not in building CNC machines
Wow...Great Machine from Doosan Machine Tools
And the thermal expansion of glass is the same rate as cast iron and the glass scales follow the the moving part of each axis there for by passing any inaccuracies in the ball screws . Gantry style 5 axis machines have the best chip evacuation of any machine center. One day it will be mine 😉
Congratulations on your purchase, really a fabulous cnc machine ...
Fanuc keping it simple ?? thats a new one for me
Fget, fset, what the hell was that G code again? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
hahaha!! Exactly!
@@TheFeralEngineer didn't really get it
Why you don't use HSK adapters?? I think it's most rigid than BBT
Awesome piece of machinery, man, that's cool, i have a question, what do you think about WFL Milturn m150 CNS center? This machine is good ?
Why you not talking about Okuma or Mazak?
I have many videos with DMG and Makino etc. Wanted to use a premium machine at a lower price point to teach the trade.
How do you dry run a program that is huge and may run for 1 hour?
How much memory?? And did you buy the more memory package for 3d machining. Thanks.
Titan do you have any wire machines?
Why not a Makino or Hermle?
C axis is moved by gear roller cam sistem?
Why not haas machines anymore?
Hey Titan! Can you turn on the 6500 with the upgraded C axis option? 100 rpm enough for exotic alloys on larger diameters?
All ive got - its kinda boom boom
I’d like to see how he feeds large programs into Fanucs on these new Doosan’s that have limited memory. I’m sure he’s used to Hass having more than enough.
The Fanuc on the 5 axis Doosans has the 1gb data server included....loads of space for programs!
Chris Wood if you’re going the data server route, wouldn’t you simply M198 from a pc? That’s how I’ve got my Fanuc setup, post from Fusion, immediately cycle start, the only prog on the control is “O0001;M198P0001;M30”
Can you teach my boss how to buy good machine's ?
Any chance of teaching heidenhain?
I work on a Alzmetall GS1000... And i see a loot of milles this machine ist the best in his size 💪
Sir i have qestion that after learning video may you give certificate licenced
Coming Soon
@@TITANSofCNC i am from india can i eligible for your learning plateform?
better if you purchase haas cnc or dmg mori machines because who build you at this stage or level
没有用hsk刀柄呢
First!! Also great vid titan I’m considering getting a small desktop CBC but that thing absolutely dwarves anything I could ever fit. Very impressive machine.
Siemens controllers I like much more then fanuc, imo they have always been a step ahead of the rest.
You can get Siemens on these if you want too.
Prise on this machine 6500
Yes, DR TITAN'S
LOVE THIS MAN
Encoders compared to scales.... Encoders is on the servo, that is driving ballscrew. Over time, this is wear will make the machine less and less accurate.
Scales is external measurement, mounted beside(or on) the actual guide ways, and measure pure distance. So the scale drives the servo.
Example: 2020, new machine, 100mm, equals say 1000 revolutions....
2025, worn machine, 100mm equals 1010 revolutions... Still actually 100mm.... Scales always win! :-)
They are both encoders, it's just that these "scales" are on the load side of the drive mechanism as opposed to on the motor shaft. This eliminates any issues with drive transmission backlash. Typically, in mechanisms that require high precision, there will be two encoders: one at the motor and the other at the load. The motor encoder is used for the high speed feedback loop while the load side encoder is used to offset any inaccuracies that might occur due to high acceleration (wind up) in the transmission. In robotics (my profession) we use it to more accurately position the end effector (hand) as the multi-DOF arm settles into it's desired location. And, of course, the glass encoder scales are less susceptible to thermal variance, but more fragile too. Anyway, my two cents.
Boommm! Another big beast machine just arrived!👏👍😁
Hey Titan; nice machines buddy but I must say that hearing you calling a Doosan beast is an overstatement. Especially after having used a Makino; a Doosan will go nowhere near the Precision and power of a Makino. Can’t wait to get your feedbacks on how strong and well they make chips in comparison to DMG and Makino... 👍 and I really hope for transparency as well to know which machines have issues of leaking oils, flooding coolant and how often they go down and require maintenance. Such infos are as crucial for your audience as many of us are in the business and shops owners as well. Love your charisma and keep up the good work. More chips cutting videos please it’s eyes soothing 😂
straight up... i work for doosan dealer, so yes i am bias... and those are great machines but they also cost 2-3x more depending on situation. as far as leaks and such they will all leak if improperly assembled or due to shoty service.
@@SH-id2lb Since you work for a dealer, what does a machine like this go for? Getting pricing always seems to be a pain. How about a DVF5000?
I worked for Makino as an applications engineer, and now work for a doosan distributor. Makino makes a very good machine, so does Doosan. If it was my money and shop, I would go Doosan all day. Very similar performance and a lot better pricing and service!
@@ciscohernandez4384 Hi Cisco, the pricing will vary based on the area you're purchasing from and options. Are you located in the U.S.? We'd be happy to help get you some numbers.
S H; bad machines designs have a hand as well in leaks and flooding coolant. Not always a faulty assembly or bad maintenance.
What a wonderful maschine!👍🇩🇪
*had machine with Siemens 840D, one of the easiest to use controls in 5 axis*
*Gets full ride from Doosan, downplays Siemens control in favor of clunky fanuc*
🤣
I really don't know why people still deal with Fanuc controllers anymore. It's just 80's technology. It's memory capacity still is.
@@gredangeo it can be a trade-off. I've toastered a few Siemens controls because they can be a bit finicky about parameter changes. Fanuc, while archaic, is pretty bulletproof, but the control never really lent itself to full 5x because it's so basic.
You can get these with Siemens too.
@@gredangeo thank you. It's replies and thoughts like yours which motivated Fanuc to step it up and provide a Great control for Multi Axis. 5-9 Axis Fanuc Controls are actually quite good now.
It looks like its more about who is supplying machines for a deal, than what machines are best.
I own 2 DMG machines. DMF 180 and NZX 2000. I will stick with one brand that has served me well.
Nice revolution of the machine shop! A question about the tooling: why did you choose 40 taper big plus over HSK-63? Is there a performance difference or is it for standardization of the tooling with the existing ones? Maybe also cost is a factor since HSK are more expensive.
5:56 "Again, I'm not an expert." "CNC EXPERTS" on sleeve. Looks like a great machine though1
Doosan is Korean right?
Taiwanese I think
Yes, Doosan Machine Tools are produced 100% in South Korea.
definitely south korea and only SK , orginally they were a ship builder that needed bigger better machines that weren't available at the time so they made there own, thats what they told me at a doosn class in NJ, hopefully ill be going for training at SK factory next year for 2 weeks.
I desire get job as a CNC programmer in your company .l love you and your company and your Ossam CNC machine .CNC is ossam.
You guy's won the lottery or something ? Way too many new machines !
Probably sold the "old" ones
I'm sure Titan, and his drive for education, is attracting a lot of interest from industry and has probably led to some corporate joint ventures and whatnot. And well deserved I say.
@@ipadize makes sense, but it's still a lot of money to upgrade to such beasts !
@@InformatrIIcks sponsorship.
Wowowowo... Can I ask you a question about the machine.... How much does it cost that beast???
to my knowledge about 400k... closer to 5 all said and done with.
running 40 hours a week investment is returned in 3-6 months depending on feild of work.
@@SH-id2lb thanks alot S H
@@SH-id2lb I think you need to do the maths again .
If the machine cost $500,000 divided by 40 hours per week , divide this by 26 (number of weeks in 6 months ) & you get $480 / hour . This hasn't allowed for wages , tooling , other workshop expenses .
If you change to 3 months it is $961 / hour.
I don't know what Titan charges per hour but it isn't anywhere near this hourly rate.
@@robertsomerville5377 Is the price seriously in the 500k range? I think that is very affordable but what do I know...
@@gearloose703 not sure what price would be , but I priced a second hand Doosan horizontal twin pallet . This was $350,000 , for a 8 year old machine.
I was only questioning the other comment on how long it would take to pay off a machine.
Plz share ezi guide programming
I know a lot of what you do and the variety you have is for educational purposes, but is it common for machine shops to have lots of different brand machines? I know you already have several DMG's, do they not have a machine comparable to this Doosan? Is it common to invest in specific machines for specific jobs?
if part contract will pay for machine sometimes they do buy for certain part, most shops are geared towards certain types parts. dmg is a great machine but cost 2-3x times more than doosan. the way i see it doosan is Cadillac/mid price benz, dmg is amg... you dont need a AMG to drive 2 miles to work but yea there fun to have, but you could get 2 or 3 for the price of one.
our plant runs mazak, doosan, haas, fanuc (robodrill), etc. depends on a lot of factors like if the machine is leased/bought, automated or manually fed, whats important between high volume vs high precision vs complicated machining features, weather it's dedicated to one customer/project, budget, etc.
Boom boom booom you gona like it booooom
He is the king boooom😂😂😂
Wouldnt be a hsk spindle better?
I'm pretty sure these machines are part of a sponsorship deal and that's what Doosan were giving. Big plus is good, but not even sure Doosan ofter HSK options
@@wildin13 these Doosans are available with HSK as an option.
@@Pande2112 well blow me... 🤔
I still think its down to the sponsor deal though. Things like the control tells me the machine isn't top spec and not by choice.
@@wildin13 Doosan buys more Fanuc controls by far, than any other MTB on the planet. Fanuc is our bread and butter. This machine, as configured, is equivalent to, or better than, anything Seimens or Heidenhain can do. User friendliness? Maybe, but that might even be a stretch.
@@Pande2112 interesting 🤔 when we had our doosans i was told the fanuc controls lacked the processing power that the heidenhain (or Siemens) would give (plus most our shop is heidenhain so second nature to us)
But I think that was 4-5 years ago now
Sir, I am from India can i join your academi ?
More testimonial than work... boom!
At this point imod pretty much just waiting to hear that the kern have arrived 🤣
Most of what Titan does actually makes sense. This aint Grimsmo.
@@kevind1865 i know but he keeps talking about precision all the time ( and got a fanuc so why not also get a kern ( then he can teach us the 3 main controlers ( the simens the fanuc the hidenhaim ( he pretty much already have teached us the haas control )
from s Korea.......
40 taper? Why?!
Is that the same Company that produces the excavators?
Doosan Machine Tools used to be part of Doosan Infracore, yes, the big excavators.
@@Pande2112 Interesting. In Germany the Doosan Excavators are known as cheap Liebherr copies with less features. So it's interesting that they build well engineered CNC Machines.
@@oberender64 Doosan Infracore wasn't doing well and Doosan Machine Tools was their best performing piece. That is why it was sold, to maximize return. But Doosan Infacore also built ships, ship engines, nuclear reactors and so on. They were the Korean equal to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
Mentions aerospace and boom in the same sentence
I'll take two of them.
Fanuc make it simple, and hundred buttons are on it :)
I always wonder, since these are huge investments, what makes you choose and brand and model over an other? I have no idea about machining whatsoever, I just like the videos
You do your research and base your machine purchase off what meets your needs.
most shops continue buying with the dealer that takes care of them, im in cnc service and i strongly believe Service sells... but machine requirements/specs, cost, and availability all play a big part also.
Doosan, DMG Mori have high rigidity comparing Haas. Doosan machines are seasoned and undergoes dampening and usually takes 5-6 months to arrive. That's why these machines are very expensive than Haas.
Dual Taper Contact Strong ! 💪
You guys hiring? I’m down to move to Texas and make some chips
Can i get job your kannametal
That RUclips monetization is kicking in.
Raaawww gunna make some CraZeeee Parts
It is nice to hear, Hello Titan's Subcriber Please choose one to send to ur Factory (LoL)
Looks a bit like a printing press))
The only thing I don't like is there's no through hole on the c axis.
A through hole is a factory option
Hi Dave, there is a union included on this machine as standard with 6 lines prepped for air or hydraulic - hope that helps!!
Yay! American manufacturing using Korean equipment..... That makes sense 🤔
32,000 pound for this machine is really cheap
😯🦌
It 32000 pound in weight not Price
Talk about unboxing
Sir, I respect everything, if you can give me opportunity to work with your company I wiil do mybest. Plssss I am keep touching you everyday
又买新设备了！有钱啊！
Gemini fo 3015
Boom people Boom....!!!
Why not get a Mori?????........Sponsored BY DOOSAN
I have lots of MORI videos out as well as Makino. Doosan is at a lower price point and is a Great Machine
Mori was a great machine until they partnered with DMG ... just my opinion.
А я смотрю у вас fanuk в почете
Damn I hate fanuc so much, hurco or Heidenhain are the best controls in my opinion, fanuc is only for cam programming
TITAN, there is no better cnc control than Heidenhain...yes, its a closed system also, I work on 840 D SL Sinumerik, yes, its capable, but too open system, (why the hell I need to know all the crazy variables, parameters etc. to do the simple or even a dumb jobs, why do I need macro understanding at a high level, yet, even if I know, there are unlimited options for doing exactly the same operation...we need to lean towards the standard, so cnc machinist can be quickly adapted into a new company, nature of the work and a philosophy etc.Too many CNC control systems, too many coding, to much cost is related to a custom posts, CAM, configs, extras software etc. Too many tooling options, too many this and that...what is the point? time is a money at the end...
just crazy O_O
여기는 두산기계 많이 쓰네
hi TITAN my dear how are you .i wish you a good luck.my name is SAMIR FRANCIS and i work on machin like this.my work is my hoby. i wish some day we will met.and i invite you to visit me in the old city of ACRE israel.
Start working with the metric system lol.
I am not a fan of doosan. I have a doosan, okuma, Mazak, and a Haas. My 12 year old Mazak crushes my 2019 doosan.
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