And I thought working with 4 axis in the 80's and 90's was cool 🤪😂. I love you guys and the AMAZING work and teaching you provide for everyone. Makes me want to get back into the profession! Thanks Barry!
@@barrysetzer the dovetail would do much to stop chatter compared to using grippy jaws or have loads of material in a vice. I mean thag thag set up is tall and taking big cuts with hard material can give chatter really easily. I'm saying that it's impressive that they've avoided chatter as it's tall set up, they're taking big cuts and it's a hard material, which is all prone to chatter
@@Mrgnothing1 I see what you're saying. It was a tall set up, 8" of material, 1.25" thick. The blade itself is 5.5" tall, but even so, it was surprisingly rigid.
This is what I'm willing to watch on your channel blade of jet!! Amazing!! I've many other projects that you may build as your product with the aid of few other processes like sheet metal, painting etc
Those jaws also have teeth in them, right? Is there a reason to give the stock a dovetail instead of punching teeth with a pneumatic press? Dovetails work fantastic, but it's another milling operation that could be skipped
@@TritonTv69420 dovetails makes sense because you don't have to purchase a workstation that punches of stamps those teeth, but are there other reason it's the go to for 5 axis?
Brilliant video Barry, my company have recently purchased a DVF6500 and are looking at jobs to machine on it, we are an R&D facility and was wondering if you had this as a downloadable project on the website?
Great question!!! I cut the dovetail .080” deep axially, and i like to make sure that its at least .25” radially, so that i have a decent amount of material resting on the top surface of the jaw (in order to prevent any possible pivoting of the workpiece). Usually, the manufacturer of the vise will spec the axial depth of the dovetail, so different manufacturers may have different recommendations.
I also usually break the edge of the dovetail by .020”, to make sure that the sharp edge of the workpiece doesn’t “bottom out” in the radius of the jaw’s dovetail.
Great stuff!, just a quick question. Is it possible to program the finishing using a barrel tool instead of a ballnose so you can increase your stopovers and save more time on finishing?, thanks Barry 😊 🙏
Where I worked in the uk an engineer worked with Garryson Carbide designing a 5axis cutter that was capable of turning the leading / trailing edges to within near customer requirements, also the platform to airfoil fillets and conical features . All the component needed was a barrel in a specified media and the airfoil and its ancillaries were all but finished! The nose design is patent and secret. Well it was. Incredible work
Why not start by forming the fir-tree, which you can then use to hold the workpiece while you form the complex blade geometry? Holding the finished blade to cut the fir-tree looks really painful.
Most of the time the fir tree is machined or ground first (but not always). In this case, we only wanted to discuss the milling of the blade, and as such it wasn't worth building fixturing.
If you have a dedicated blade mill, you probably have 2 opposing chucks, so the strategy would be completely different (and much cooler). However, I would still use a dovetail on both ends of the stock. Then since you are holding both ends of the workpiece, you can be much more aggressive in the roughing, and make better use of larger inserted tools.
Hey! Sometimes you have to do the best that you can with what you have! I have also been at companies where our motto was “I have done so much, with so little, for so long, that NOW, I can do ANYTHING with nothing AT ALL.”
Would it not be better to rough and finish this part at different height levels instead of finishing it in one go so it stays evenly rigid from top to bottom? Or is it thick enough to not be a concern? By the way, great content!
In real life it would be done in Catia/NX & Vericut/NCsimul, based on Tier 1 requirements and would use tooling from Seco-Sandvik-SGS and not what is in the video.
Thats one way to fuck up your cnc, where i work we make turbine blades on a 5 axis cnc that has A and C rotary, double grip, less vibrations and faster milling
Maybe one of the best videos Titan has put out.
I like the way Barry explains things and passes on his knowledge.
Thank you !
Thank you very much!
Need to get my company into CNC Manufacturing. Titans of CNC is definitely a motivator
Titanium just lying around??? Okay , and I have gold just lying around. LOL, This is amazing work..
send it to their shop and they will convert it to chips..
Most shops have a ton of metal lying around
And I thought working with 4 axis in the 80's and 90's was cool 🤪😂. I love you guys and the AMAZING work and teaching you provide for everyone. Makes me want to get back into the profession! Thanks Barry!
Hahaha! Why would you ever LEAVE machining to begin with!?!? We need people like you, that love the trade and have a positive attitude!!!!
Quite impressive how you managed to avoid chatter with that tall set up.
The power of the dovetail!
@@barrysetzer dove tail does not really stop chatter as the material above can still flex and move.
@@Mrgnothing1 but we still hit a surface finish beyond 18 micro inches. So?
@@barrysetzer the dovetail would do much to stop chatter compared to using grippy jaws or have loads of material in a vice. I mean thag thag set up is tall and taking big cuts with hard material can give chatter really easily. I'm saying that it's impressive that they've avoided chatter as it's tall set up, they're taking big cuts and it's a hard material, which is all prone to chatter
@@Mrgnothing1 I see what you're saying. It was a tall set up, 8" of material, 1.25" thick. The blade itself is 5.5" tall, but even so, it was surprisingly rigid.
Barry is awesome! More videos with him please!
Hey thanks bro!
That was pretty cool. I liked the tilt and lead angle tips. 😊
WOah Barry so calm in this video... Like it is not Barry!? Strange..
This is what I'm willing to watch on your channel blade of jet!! Amazing!! I've many other projects that you may build as your product with the aid of few other processes like sheet metal, painting etc
I would LOVE to do work like this! Sadly, our shop is one 5th Axis short of having a 5th Axis. 😢
I'm from Indonesia🇮🇩, please add Indonesian subtitles for every video
Great job Barry.. one tongue mistake; Center off the ball spins at zero SFM not zero RPM
Hahaha oops, you know what I meant ;)
@@barrysetzer Excellent presentation.
Would love to see the next operation, blade has to fit into a hub and want to see how you fixture it.
Ahh that makes sense now
Those jaws also have teeth in them, right? Is there a reason to give the stock a dovetail instead of punching teeth with a pneumatic press? Dovetails work fantastic, but it's another milling operation that could be skipped
I have never heard of that personally but it sounds really cool! I will have to google that!
Dovetails are industry standard for 5 axis milling now.
@@barrysetzer google Lang Makro Grip. That is the system that I use
@@TritonTv69420 dovetails makes sense because you don't have to purchase a workstation that punches of stamps those teeth, but are there other reason it's the go to for 5 axis?
What kind of turbine blade is that?
How did they make the incredible turbine blades used on Concorde back in the 60s wirh no CNC?
The 90° chamfer mill be like "where the hek is my coolant?!?"
Great Content Barry!
Thanks!
@@barrysetzer Top man 👍
Thank you for this video!👍👍👍
It looks like it has sections. Is it crystalline? ...or can somebody please clue me in to what that is? Much appreciated...
Do you use inverse time? Or do you use TCP? (G43.4 on Fanuc)
Brilliant video Barry, my company have recently purchased a DVF6500 and are looking at jobs to machine on it, we are an R&D facility and was wondering if you had this as a downloadable project on the website?
How deep do you guys cut your dovetail boss? We have been cutting the boss .09 tall and running the dovetail cutter -.07 into the boss.
Great question!!! I cut the dovetail .080” deep axially, and i like to make sure that its at least .25” radially, so that i have a decent amount of material resting on the top surface of the jaw (in order to prevent any possible pivoting of the workpiece). Usually, the manufacturer of the vise will spec the axial depth of the dovetail, so different manufacturers may have different recommendations.
I also usually break the edge of the dovetail by .020”, to make sure that the sharp edge of the workpiece doesn’t “bottom out” in the radius of the jaw’s dovetail.
Great stuff!, just a quick question. Is it possible to program the finishing using a barrel tool instead of a ballnose so you can increase your stopovers and save more time on finishing?, thanks Barry 😊 🙏
Absolutely! I actually have a barrel mill on my desk that I considered using for this part, but decided to save it for something cooler!
@@barrysetzer thank you very much Barry!, i think you're awesome!, can't wait to see more of your content. 😄😊
Where I worked in the uk an engineer worked with Garryson Carbide designing a 5axis cutter that was capable of turning the leading / trailing edges to within near customer requirements, also the platform to airfoil fillets and conical features . All the component needed was a barrel in a specified media and the airfoil and its ancillaries were all but finished! The nose design is patent and secret. Well it was. Incredible work
Did you guys post the programming video? Having a hard time finding it.
Why not start by forming the fir-tree, which you can then use to hold the workpiece while you form the complex blade geometry? Holding the finished blade to cut the fir-tree looks really painful.
Most of the time the fir tree is machined or ground first (but not always). In this case, we only wanted to discuss the milling of the blade, and as such it wasn't worth building fixturing.
BARRY talking about how not to use the center of tool because no rotation at the center.
ALSO BARRY using the center of the Chamfer tool. 😂👍
LOL, it looks that way in the video, but it's actually a few thou off center putting a .002" edge break on. ;)
I'm just messing with you my friend 😉 great work. Keep it up 👍
Awesome Job!!
Hi Barry,
Would you recommend a similar strategy for machining turbine blades on dedicated blade Mills like Hamuel/Starrag or Leichti
If you have a dedicated blade mill, you probably have 2 opposing chucks, so the strategy would be completely different (and much cooler). However, I would still use a dovetail on both ends of the stock. Then since you are holding both ends of the workpiece, you can be much more aggressive in the roughing, and make better use of larger inserted tools.
Nice Video! In our Company, we dont use kennametal cutter. 😕
Hey! Sometimes you have to do the best that you can with what you have! I have also been at companies where our motto was “I have done so much, with so little, for so long, that NOW, I can do ANYTHING with nothing AT ALL.”
Hey Barry are you Born in Germany?
@@alex4nder1 No, my Great grandparents immigrated to the USA from Germany, and I was born in Chicago!!
Brilliant 👍👍👍
Would it not be better to rough and finish this part at different height levels instead of finishing it in one go so it stays evenly rigid from top to bottom? Or is it thick enough to not be a concern? By the way, great content!
I have done larger blades that way, but this one is only 5" tall and is rigid enough to finish in 1 shot.
*chef's kiss
where is the link to the mastercam programming of this part?
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Mastercam everything is possible
What's the programming time for that?
5-30 minutes, depending on a few factors. This toolpath may look complicated, but Mastercam makes it really simple.
Why would you use Mastercam over Catia
Price, ease of use, support, ability to find and hire users, to name a few!
Why does the roughing leave facets like that?
I gave the roughing toolpath a tolerance of .015", to keep the size of the program smaller.
@@barrysetzer Ok. Cool! Thank you for the reply, Barry! Keep up the great work!
In real life it would be done in Catia/NX & Vericut/NCsimul, based on Tier 1 requirements and would use tooling from Seco-Sandvik-SGS and not what is in the video.
In real life, I just made a flawless turbine blade in Mastercam using Kennametal, and the video proves it. Sooooo…..yeah.
It looked pretty real life to me!
I have also DVF 5000
Great machine!
I'd be so stressed machining this
You're not machining it the machine is machining it you program it
@@electricconnections9371 somebody trying to be smart here xD
I was trying to b funny, but maybe next time
アップカットで刃先痛めてない？？
Thats one way to fuck up your cnc, where i work we make turbine blades on a 5 axis cnc that has A and C rotary, double grip, less vibrations and faster milling
Wtf are on about dude this isn't fucking up any machinery
@@Dillybar777 finish cnc school before you open your ass
Finish cnc school before you open your ass
Go to cnc school before you open your ass
Go to cnc school before you open your ass