Is it Worth the Extra Parts Required? Harley Sportster Stage 4 Kit
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- The Sportster Stage 4 Kit requires additional parts and accessories that must be purchased to complete installation. Only one air cleaner is available to fit the throttle body that comes in the kit, but you get a choice on the color. The Screamin Eagle Street Performance Tuner is a required item that is not included, a little surprise that is made no mention of is push rods. Installation is always additional, but beware of the additional parts you'll need to speed up your installation and make it go smoothly.
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So Hammer is better? My mechanic says they are just for bragging rights and says we should do Screaming Eagle. But all I find is bad news about Screaming Eagle.
Hammer is a very solid kit, I like the Screamin Eagle kit but based on Hammer's testing there's a lot of unnecessary parts. The throttle body and the heads for one. 2007 up heads will support 100hp, so just use 10.5:1 pistons and a set of cams. That would put you right in the range of the Screamin Eagle kit.
@@GixxerFoo well, I wanna do the Hammer 1275. I dont need 125hp, but 90 or 100 would be nice, just gotta convince my mechanic (who is AMAZING, im very lucky to have him). Plan is spring. I got an orange 883r 2002 low miles with a loud as shit 2 into 1. LOVE it, and I ride sportbikes. Shes like a big old friendly rhino. Handling is surprisingly great.
The 883R is an awesome bike. The 1275 kit with a set of 570 or 560 cams, depending on if you want 10:1 or 10.5:1 will rip on that bike. You'll need some head work though with the 883 heads. For what the Screamin Eagle kit cost, plus having to buy 1200 cylinders you'll be way under that even with head work.
@@GixxerFoo ill do whatever it takes to max it out and have good reliability, willing to spend some dough on it, get her all detailed, clay barred, all that. The funniest thing is I never expected how many comments this bike would get. Nobody ever walked up to my Ninja, nobody gave a shit about my Mercedes, everybody wants to talk about my Sportster. Gets me every time.
From what I've seen the hammer kits look to be complete with everything you need. I'm going to purchase the 1275 kit soon for a hugger 883 I have. My son has a 94 hugger 883 he wants to do the kit on also. I have a 1200 already that's mostly stock and it's a different animal. It's not sportbikes fast but it goes when you get it wide open. The 1200 acts like it trying to leave without you and will power wheelie on a hard shift. Great video
Thank you! You can't go by the numbers on a Harley with a modern 1200 being maybe 60-65 horse. It's deceiving, the way they deliver that power basically immediately and not at 10K rpm.
Gixxer has helped increase my knowledge, no doubt about it. Thank you sir!
Always welcome! Glad I could help out!
Just subscribed!! This video helped me make my mind up! Im definitely going with Hammer Performance!! Thnks for sharing the knowledge!!
I have the screaming eagle tunner. Had it dynoed. Its actually rich.
Are you running the Street Tuner or the Race Tuner?
Great vid. But after all that said, what would you recommend? Add a stage 4 to a 1200 or do a 1250 Hammer kit to an 883?
You really can't beat doing the 1250 or 1275 kit. Hammer has actually closed out the 1250 kits. Either way l would do the 1275 to the 883 and even the 1200. It makes a huge difference even on a 1200.
Hammer Performance 1275 big bore kit hands down no questions asked. They are number 1 in Performance for your sportster and unmatched in customer service. You won’t be disappointed.They are the Almighty.
Yeah Hammer is the way to go and Aaron is awesome to work with. I honestly believe they know more about the Evo Sportster than the MoCo.
Great video Gixx, and that right there is why you don't run Harley Davidson. You would put everything in the kit, and then not jack the price thru the roof.
Eye opener mate👍
Thanks
I bought some S&S taper mufflers ten years ago for £330 in England and they were great, a few years later some fool knocked the bike over and trashed them so I tried Cycle Shack tapered mufflers. A little smaller and more restrictive but OK as they were 1/3rd the price (of the S&S) off ebay. Times change (six years later) and I hopped up the bike and needed S&S ones again but, guess what - they are 'No Longer Available' .
Then by chance I found the last set in captivity at a very expensive independent shop in England - they weren't selling as everyone wants V&H Short Shots (trash !) or a 2-into-one(too restrictive and UGLY) - again on ebay offered at £180 or best offer so I bid low and expected to barter.... to my surprise they accepted my offer of £120 and free shipping !!!!!
You are so right about H-D's stage kits - you pay an amount for the kit, as much again for the 'also required' bits and almost as much AGAIN for fitting.... when you could go to Hammer, get better parts and more power for half the price AND have all the fun of fitting it !!!! I will not use a dealer's workshop as the 'Techs' there are just glorified fitters who have very little to no actual knowledge of what they are doing - I have had the workshop managers tell me that I could probably do the job better myself. Oh, and I use Lucas 20w50 - it is a great oil and seems to quieten the engine down a bit ..... at least for the first few months !
Yes! I was surprised Cycle Shack went out. They made some great pipes and they were very reasonable. Sorry to hear someone knocked your bike over, that just kills me. It's awesome you're riding some Harleys over in England, l'd love to hit those roads over there some day.
@@GixxerFoo Not at our fuel prices you wouldn't - $8 a gallon but our gallon are bigger than yours....
Holy crap that's insane! Since oil has crashed here due to Corona our gas prices as low as 99 cents here in Oklahoma. Lots of job loss though, tough times.
@@GixxerFoo Actually, I just checked an' fuel has dropped to £1 per litre so it'd be about £4.50 a gallon , maybe $5.60 or so for one of your smaller gallons..... it's been over a month since I bought any..... I actually got to go outta the house today to buy some groceries.....
It's been crazy with this Corona stuff, have they have you on lock down over there? I'm out in the country so it's been pretty normal here. Oklahoma City was weird to say the least, l was down there yesterday.
Great video.
I have had good success with the Castrol VTwin 20w50.
Thank you! I've run Castrol in the past in my race bikes, had good luck with it. It's gotten a lot harder to find these days.
@@GixxerFoo Ebay, I buy it by the case.
Hell that's a good idea, I'll check out what they got on there.
@@GixxerFoo also try Amazon
If Amazon doesn't have it, you don't need it 😆😂
Hey man I like your videos they are very informative for Sportsters!! As I have 2 of them, a 883R in Brazil and a Iron 883 bigbore1200 in Germany Wich I would like to put 1275 hammer kit.already have SE. Air filter Sidewinder slipons and a Supertuner, is it ok just to put new cyl.& pistons(1275) to get better results?!
Oh yeah your already setup to convert over with a super tuner, air cleaner and exhaust. You can get a pretty decent increase in horsepower and torque going to a 1275, even on a 1200.
Great video and thanks for the info, I have a 2016 iron 883 I installed a screaming eagle 1200 big bore kit, cylinders, heads, pistons, Vance and Hines short shots exhaust and big breather intake kit, and fp3 tuner, can I get your opinion about if I should replace the cams, also the tapping noise is a little louder on my bike, thank you and I hope to get your opinion and how to improve my sportster.
Since you went with the Screamin Eagle kit and you've already made that investment, I would suggest a Hammer 570 camshaft. It's hard to beat the factory W cam when it comes to bottom end power. Hammer's 570 gains over the factory W cam throughout the low end and all the way to the top end.
@@GixxerFoo thank you so much for sharing your valuable knowledge, I'll try to contact hammer performance and get those cams.
You're welcome, Hammer to me knows more about the Sportster than Harley-Davidson. They will take care of you at Hammer.
The only part of that stage IV kit that's any good is the CNC ported heads, just buy their heads and a buy a Hammer 1275 kit with flattops, some of there 570 jack hammer cams and a 2 into 1 with a real tuner and you'll have a 100 rwhp that's not too noisey and save you a shitload of dough.
👍 that's exactly my thoughts, l like the SE heads and with a Hammer kit it would be an awesome combo.
That's the gospel truth
What is the thing called a kit for if it is only part of what you need???? Good job Harley. But from my experience Harley just keeps you buying ( good marketing for them)
Exactly! Harley has the marketing game down!
I real curious about the amzoil please let us know.
Will do! The white bike has Mobil 1 V-Twin in it right now and it still has the valve train rattles and noises the ornage bike used to make before I switched it over to Amsoil. I hope the camera will pick up the noises I'm hearing.
@@GixxerFoo I'm doin the switch thanks
GixxerFoo Hi, did you experience any change in engine noise going from Mobil 1 to Amsoil?
I have a very annoying cam gear noise after changing from the stock W cams to aftermarket cams with coarser gears.
I did notice the valve train noise in the rocker box was quieter. But if you have after market cams that's always going to be loud. The factory test fits several different cam sets to find the best gear mesh for each particular motor. That way they won't be as noisy out of the factory.
Engineers make things, and then barnacles start attaching. The main problem with automotive ad motorcycle marketing today is the trend of performance and the most power. But the consideration for something that last has gone out the window. Its same as i described in a video of mine about hydraulic lifters in where the so called specifications and even after market parts are for racing performance. When you get into racing high performance you sacrifice what is a lasting engine. A good example is this as far as a lasting plain V8 chevy or even a 900 CC sportster of the 1960s had enough power to get a person killed if they were a fool, so why would anyone need racing performance unless they had money winnings from racing? Evil Kneivel when he did motorcycle stunts would have wanted a performance motorcycle, but would have kept it put up between his stunts and rode a stock motorcycle for his lasting personal ride
That's true, you gotta give up something from something else.
@@GixxerFoo Generally that is true. The believe that modifying any mechanical assembly from what was measured and blue printed machining from an engineer to an idea scheme of an after market salesman group is actually stupid, because sales is not a machinist nor engineer nor have the trigonometry knowledge that the initial creation of the parts assembled was designed. Its hard to word this into what a non machinist person can understand. How is the sportster doing? How any miles is on it and what temperature climate are you running it? Im curious just to add to my knowledge
They've had a lot of success with their kits and proper tuning.
I don't see the point of getting a Stage 4 when you can just get a bigger bike for the same money. And if it's a matter of size, Softail Slim has it all
That's very true, to put that kind of money in a Sportster it's just gotta be what you really want to ride. I've been on the fence about a bigger bike cause I just love the Sportster lol.
@@GixxerFoo I can understand loving a Sportster, just not putting a ridiculous ammount of money into one, but I'd say the same about any bike
I'll most likely go with Hammer Performance on mine, their kit is quality and you get a lot more for the money. Doing it myself with their kit is a 1/4 of the cost and it produces waaaay more power.
Point is: Power to weight ratio is insane when you run the stage 4 kit on a smaller bike. Hammers got the 1275cc kit and Zippers got the 88ci kit. Imagine running a 1450cc kit on a sportster frame. Yeah, crazy shit. And top it off with a turbo kit from Trask Performance 😈 EPIC DOMINATION AGAINST Softails, Baggers & Dynas.
Still shocks me at how much power these motors can make with pushrod and two valves. Not only that but still be reliable too. 😆😂 love the turbo idea, l'd be watching for some frame flex with fingers crossed lol.
Hey Gixxer, to hell with those damned Harleys,,,,,,,, go get you another SUZUKI GSX...………...