What I Never Realized About Saruman

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  • Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
  • In this video we unpack the compelling Saruman and his tragic journey from noble leader to tyrant. #psychology #saruman #carljung
    CREDITS
    Script: Archetypal Wisdom
    Voiceover: Archetypal Wisdom
    Editing: Pictory
    Images: Freepik

Комментарии • 27

  • @thomassmith6232
    @thomassmith6232 Месяц назад +9

    "He believed he could overthrow Sauron and rule in a way that was better." How often we've heard this!

  • @yvonnejackson1696
    @yvonnejackson1696 Месяц назад +16

    If you want to know the nature of your shadow, ask your critics. There’s always some truth in the “lies” of your enemies.

  • @alvaroavilablanco3350
    @alvaroavilablanco3350 Месяц назад +8

    Saruman and Sauron were both servants of Aulë, the Vala of blacksmith and creator of the dwarves. It's very interesting that the three of them at some point of another tried to shake the order of Erü with their ideas and creations, only Aulë repenting for his crime and given the possibility of joining his work into Erü's order. Both Saruman and Sauron fell for their pride, thinking the order they could build would be better or fairer for Middle Earth.
    It's kind of like a dark Prometheus, someone taking the fire for the mortals and then deciding to ruke over them as their God King.

  • @GingerClaw42
    @GingerClaw42 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks for the video! Saruman reminds me of another character from Star Wars KOTOR 2 named Atris. She was a very morally strict Jedi who condemned the main character and other Jedi for not adhering closely enough to what she saw as the Jedi ideals, projecting her shadow on every other character, meditating with Sith holocrons every day that only she could be trusted to keep safe, and making sure her followers couldn’t wield the force. Eventually, she became a Sith named Darth Traya who could justify all her actions by thinking that only she was morally pure enough to wield the force and save the galaxy from the morally impure actions of others. She became cold and ruthless, denying the other characters she admired because it would mean the defeat of her own values (just as Sauroman envied Gandalf to some extent).

  • @venkelos6996
    @venkelos6996 Месяц назад +4

    So a weird thing is how much of themselves the Istari remember? They are enmantled celestial beings, set with a mission from effectively God, to stop one great evil. They are aware of the true nature of this evil, but then there seem times where they are assumed to have "holes" in their recollection; not remembering more than figments of Valinor, or Eru Illuvatar, and not always seemingly compelled to complete said mission, which would allow them to peacefully return home. It's almost as if Saruman doesn't remember he is from Valinor; a servant of Aule, with responsibilities in, and connections to, that place. He doesn't like Middle Earth; he sees only the flaws, and seemingly longs to dominate it,and like some discount Sauron, rebuild it "better", but there's no attachment to these people, so there's no kind reason to do so; he just wants to be a tyrant. There's no effort to finish, shed his aged form, and be free of his obligation, to get back to "heaven", and the wonders he left behind. Compare that to Gandalf, who spends a great deal of time ingratiating himself among these people, who he sincerely wants to help, knowing that his reward will be to walk away from them forever, and never see a one of them, or their descendants; their smiles, scowls, or efforts, again. It's like Gandalf remembers Valinor, and his goal, and even though he's actually invested in Middle Earth, he accepts that he'll do his part, but then leave it alone, yet Saruman seems to not remember what he left, and is thus simply left with "making the best" out of where he is, in his exceedingly misguided way, instead of returning to the place he was made to be? I rambled, but it's odd how easily Gandalf could both totally invest in, abd then entirely leave behind, this world, yet Saruman, who saw it as nothing but flawed, and didn't like anything in it, wanted to stay, and "fix" it, instead of getting out, going back to where the people, and things, he DID like were.

  • @theeffete3396
    @theeffete3396 Месяц назад +2

    Easily one of the best channels discussing Tolkien. Thank you for what you do.

  • @wm.tomlinson1434
    @wm.tomlinson1434 Месяц назад +1

    well done

  • @thereishappiness
    @thereishappiness Месяц назад +4

    great video... thanks for your thoughtful analysis, as always

  • @efrenvalle485
    @efrenvalle485 Месяц назад

    I personally love him.he like most great leaders become corrupt by their own ideals un able to live by their own standards. Mirrors real life world leaders..

  • @HeyNimbus
    @HeyNimbus Месяц назад +4

    *Nice! You could do bunch of videos about The Legend Of Zelda too, right? :)*

  • @kasey42
    @kasey42 Месяц назад +1

    I hope you will eventually do some of the Star Trek characters.

  • @fornogoodreason551
    @fornogoodreason551 Месяц назад

    2:20 accept saruman wasn't a human?

  • @Stephen64138
    @Stephen64138 Месяц назад +1

    Interesting video.
    I was a bit disappointed, but again maybe it's not the center of your work on your channel, by the absence of what seems to me one of the core aspects of Saruman actions. Fear. He looked into the palantir to learn about Sauron and in the end he saw what he wanted to see/what Sauron showed him. And the fear of a power too great to be contained by any other means convinced him that the only choice they had was to built an equal power. Even if that meant allying themselves with evil to buy time. It's very faustian. Dealing with the devil and trying to save yourself? I can illustrate my point with two clips from the movies. (Not in the mood to seek the books..)
    ruclips.net/video/dIxlMA8U8qA/видео.html
    ruclips.net/video/NXckvnJUZPU/видео.html
    In the first, Gandalf talks very eloquently of Saruman and the terror he will unleash ''all the more potent now that he is driven by the fear of Sauron''. In the second, to Aragorn, Gandalf mention Sauron as being driven in his actions by fear of Aragon. Of what he may become. That fear motivating him to strike at them first... From my point of view, fear is one key factor in Sauron and Saruman's actions and perhaps deserving to be analysed better than I'm doing in a future video.
    Anyway, seems like a lot of critics but it's not! It was a good video! I subscribe.

    • @phookadude
      @phookadude Месяц назад

      Fear and hopelessness was what broke Denethor I think in Saurumon's case his hubris overcame him. Istar that he was he was lacking the fundamentals to use the palentir Denethor was harder to control than Saurumon because he had some right to use it. Gandalf give it to Aragorn least he be tempted by it and Aragorn, with full right to use it, struggled with Sauron and won with it.

    • @archetypalwisdom
      @archetypalwisdom  Месяц назад +1

      Welcome to the channel! Thank you for your thoughtful reflections. I appreciate your input and will consider it for a future video. :)