Sounds like forcing yourself into wickedness for the sake of public approval even if you feel bad about it. Ive felt this with sexual partners in the past. Truly sickening and anti humane.
@@PolishBehemoth I suspect the "public" in "public approval" are groups of sociopaths and their ilk that these people associate with to make themselves feel better. Some people are desperate to "keep up with the Joneses", even if the Joneses are crooks and psychos. It's terrible. It's like being in a Cult.
This is what you become when you have too much. You can't appreciate anything that's not extreme anymore. It's actually sad, because the worth comes from how we perceive it. People who are happy having little are the luckiest ones.
Yes its called desensitization and its used on the general public every day through t v and movies that why most people have no emotional response to shocking events anymore
@@Pllayer064😂 I don't know where you're from, but in The UK swinger clubs don't ask for any proof of clear STD's. They sell condoms, and also recommend you bring your own, but that's it.
Every swinger I've known was about as attractive as the average employee at the DMV. They tend to have dull personalities and a real needy energy about them.
No lies detected 😂 I know two ✌ couples that use to be in these clubs and they asked me and my partner at the time if we were interested and it was a big no. I definitely would've been the one losing out in the situation.
Agreed most if not all people that I've met in those lifestyles we're old unattractive with off-putting personalities. It probably has to do with where I live though. Florida is where America's old people go to live their best life before they die. The Villages being a perfect example not the only example however, it's everywhere.
Lol me but may God bless these poor souls may he break them free from the temptation of thr devil may he flee from righteousness an may wickedness flee from sinners may sinners repent an change from this lifestyle
Talking about that woman who was uncomfortable knowing her partner was next to her with someone else is pretty sad. Power to people genuinely enjoying it, but it seems like many folks are just traumatizing themselves
@@maximilianomadrigal6661 the girl was having sex with someone else at the exact same moment but from what it sounds like she wasn't enjoying the experience but also watching her boyfriend railing another bird in front of her probably made her feel even worse. Like my uncle used to say (he was a heavy swinger back in his days) "swingers clubs are meant for single people, not for couple's therapy" lmao and it's so true. I hear it time and time again of couples fighting or breaking up because they wanted to experience other ways of exciting themselves sexually and it all goes tits up (pun intended ironically) on their first experience. I've personally been to a few when I was single and it was a lot of fun and it healed me from my break up with my ex because she cheated on my 3 times with people we knew for years the smelly cow.
I used to be with someone who was very much into that scene. They said they were polyamorous (and I am not, they said they were going to be exclusive to me), but they continued to go to kink clubs and pressure me to go with them all the time because it’s their lifestyle and I should partake into things they like. I was never comfortable with the idea of “sharing”, being touched by others, or watching others do things. I feel as though in those situations, it is not “Don’t knock it if you hadn’t tried it”. That doesn’t apply here. Long story short, they came back home one night and got de dressed for bed, and They were COVERED in bite marks, hickies, and they smelt like other people (that particular sweaty smell that’s mixed with other stuff). They told me they wouldn’t, and they did. I packed my bags a week after and moved away I found out the caught HSV and are still going to those clubs to this day. So I dodged a major bullet. Some clubs done check for STDs and people don’t care…
I broke up with my polyamorous ex 2 years ago. He was constantly seeing girls for sex we went on holiday and he’ll browse tinder trying to score a girl for us to have a threesome. He even brought one girl home while I was there and I could hear everything in the other room. I had to break up with him didn’t want to but it had me feeling unloved.
Your first red flag was that you both were incompatible and yet, you manged to convince yourself it could work. Why? You hurt you more than they did by not trusting yourself.
@@Silvermoonscorpionhit the nail on the head. They both fucked up by thinking it could work. Also HSV could be cold sores which majority of the population have even if they’re asymptomatic (and most of the population aren’t swingers….)
@@Alexxx492 it’s not about risk. It’s the general sleaziness of it. At least with hookups there is generally some conversation leading into it than just making eye contact with someone and gesturing for their dick to enter you
So it's basically like playing a sick game of twister but after your done you are covered in body fluids with a stranger loose pubic hairs tangled with your owns.
@@PresidentKamalaHarris. And well you will most likely have a std, even if condoms are used. Things like gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, HPV can all be transferred very easy even wearing condoms, also from oral/kissing/saliva. Not to mention there is no test or cure for HPV and can cause cancer.
A late friend of mine, who worked for Hugh Hefner in New York in around 1966-70 (and attended a number of his orgies), said the same thing. And that the men with small wieners (usually the majority) would sometimes become hostile if they saw you were packing.
Right! And all the Christians are targeting homosexual sin. Sexual immorality abounds and we need to call all sin out, so that the sinner might repent and know Christ and not perish.
Coming from a person who can’t grasp the concept of DTF lifestyle, I don’t know why but when I hear stories like these I feel so much better about myself. I feel like we should protect our integrity at all costs and it’s one thing we have complete control over because otherwise… how could you feel good inside and able to have “love & peace” within yourself, be able to close your eyes and go to sleep without feeling like scum? Integrity means a lot, it’s tied to your reputation.. but anyway.
Or maybe "these people" don't think like you and don't care or see things like shame the way you do. They just want to do what they want and not be judged for it. 🤷
@@Erica-cf1xb I mean, religious texts call this type of behavior wicked for a reason. In their own eyes these people think they're good and upright but in reality their ways are twisted.
@@stoiccrane4259 Not true. In esoteric traditions sex orgies are permitted. In any event, If you can control someones sex drive, you control their whole life.
I've no doubt in my mind some of the saddest people attend these 'parties'. Kindoff like that Black Mirror episode where people in a club try hard to feel anything through hedonism.
Typically women in their 40s whose husband have erectile dysfunction. I'm with a married 47 year old chick now that admitted it to me. I have hard suspicions she's a swinger. Because of the locations she goes for vacation. She also likes going on cruises which are filled with swingers. Stay away from chicks that like going on cruises without you.
@@kbanghartI can’t think of anything bad that’s ever happened at a Trump really except the CIA (now a bunch of atheist f at lezzies and pha ggitz) trying to shoot him but God averted it. I remember that. There’s even an everlasting photo of it. I can’t remember anything bad at a Kamala or Joe rally because they’ve never had one nor could they. Let me know if you need any more help figuring out reality. Will E Braun.
I, at 21, had the opportunity to take a free cruise with a couple buds. There was literally dozens of offers to swing. Every single person was at least double our age, some triple. The smiles on the husbands faces while they talked about it was some of the creepiest stuff ever. Some of the wives had the persona of lets get this over with to make him happy and get on with our lives. Looking back it was hilarious.
I've had many opportunities to join a group orgy but have never had the desire to act on it. To me sex is a spiritual experience that should be respected and shared with your soulmate or twin flame. I think it would be spiritual exhausting sharing your partner with so many other people, and then taking on their energy afterwards. I think people who are non-monogamous end up forgetting how to have that true connection with their primary partner, cause sex is so tainted, and that's the only dynamic of a relationship they have is just based around sex.
I'd love to do it but I'm too self conscious about my small man boobs, which I have despite not really being particularly overweight (I need to lose about 5kg apparently), so I'll never do it
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There are no boundaries effectively through communication in these areas. Too many conflicting parts, people, emotions, mind state..etc. just like these polygamous relationships. Always conflicts in those relationships. Jealously, spite, manipulation, greed, anger...all the worst emotions come out and that's how people get hurt for seeking pleasure with strangers.
Polyamory is about breaking down the walls we've built around sex and romance and finally understanding how wide-ranging and encompassing our relationships truly are.
Theres literally a few ppl we can all think of who: 1. outright own super yachts 2. can book the fanciest of hotels np (and do weird things in those rooms...yuck) 3. Frequent Sex Parties $75K/year (minimum) 4. Also are mega rich + have publically "clean" images Vice does a great job shedding light on the more lascivious versions of life and the folks w/ money that frequent those sides.
Sexual experiences like swinging/swingers clubs have been happening for millennia, sex was a very popular commodity back in the days of the Roman Empire, Victorian Era etc.. because it allowed the poorer people in societies to earn a living. These days mainly in America sex has become far too expensive and more dangerous. In Amsterdam's Red Light District it used to be around $80-$120, now it's at $180-350 depending on where you go. Sex is a natural thing for us to do and appreciate but these days all of it has changed and not in a good way.
It just makes me feel sick and sad and I want to cry. It is not about what is normal or not, it is about people changing value of love and intimacy to value of unlimited sex... hard to put my thoughts together, but it feels and sounds wrong.
I have been interested in checking out swinging parties at some point but I'd only really be comfortable if it was organized by some friends and their friend circles I don't think I could go to just a random party where nobody knew anyone. And also I LOVE sounding, not many people are into it but i once knew this guy who got me into it. And yeah it is important to be firm on boundaries with this kind of lifestyle. This is a great talk, really interesting stuff.
As someone who’s a decently attractive and has been approached for said “parties” I can honestly say that sounds like an absolute horrid time and nothing I wanna be apart of.. a bunch of effort just to defile yourself
same, I actually had a 'friend' and her husband (which he's somewhat famous) won't say who he is.....hint that they were swingers, and hinted at asking if was, um, awkward
the image randomly turning into negative with part of what he said in big font became increasingly funny when it emphasized things like "WHOLE RESORTS" and "UNWANTED 24/7 SEX" lmao.
The combination of the mask, the tone of the informer’s voice, their accent, and speaking cadence/rhythm that makes this audio totally incomprehensible to me. There’s nothing wrong with their voice; it’s the combination of factors that makes them sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher.
i attended an invite only party one time, had to get tested and show proof that i was negative before being allowed in. in the group chat it was made very clear that noncon was not allowed and you'd be banned from any future parties. there was no pressure to have sex. the owner told me i could just hang out, hell she was even doing people's makeup. there were bead necklaces that indicted to others if you wanted to be touched or not. red for no, yellow for ask first, green for yes. the owner had the tv on but muted, and she had these epic colorful lights dancing across the walls. i spent most of my time talking with people, explored a bit, overall had a great time. parties can be a hit or a miss, you just gotta know how to tell apart a shitty party from a good one.
As an unattractive black man, this clearly won't be something available to me and I"m actually ok with that. I don't like having sex with random people because I'd be worried the whole time if I'm getting an STD. No thanks.
This is why God burned the city of Sodom and Gomorrah. People had take a look around and realize that we're living in the end times and repent of their sins because God isn't playing around anymore. Those still living in sin will be left behind and conditions will be horrific.
Didn’t realize how upset this topic would make people in the comments. Considering how many awful things this series has covered, this is fairly benign.
I remember a reality show a few years ago where rapper Ice Cube was walking through some dark empty rooms where a sex party had taken place, and commented: “could sure use an air-freshener in here”.
To each their own i suppose, but all of this is fucking disgusting honestly. Not to mention the emotional damage and baggage that inevitably ensues for people engaging in this sort of sexual promiscuity and debauchery.
Yes, brother. A twisted degradation of life for cheap thrills and dopamine spikes. Imagine all of the good these people could actually direct their attention and resources to instead of living to disperse their own filth and fluid among strangers. Especially the hyper-affluent with the material wealth of nations. To whom much is given much is expected and they fall so erroneously short of the mark. Existing for ego instead of the All. We all have our struggles with vice and temptation but they relish in theirs!
@@stoiccrane4259 well spoken. Yes, I have had many many many struggles myself. We all suffer from one sort of temptation or another. Drugs are one thing for sure, but physically mixing bodily fluids with strangers let alone multiple strangers at once is beyond the pale imo. All else is arguably a personal issue or struggle but the entire sex for sexs' sake is nasty af. At least with drugs the high lasts longer I suppose but all of these sexual deviants and "free lovers" are all such broken people, not that I don't understand and empathize to a degree but damn, an "orgy pile"?????!!!!!! WTF. If someone thinks that's OK and an acceptable risk etc than there isn't anything I could say that would help them pull their head out of their ass. The most intimate and physically personal thing you could do or share with someone and these nasty fuckers act like young rabbits.......ughhhhhh no thanks.
Treating sex this way shares a lot of parallels with shooting up larger and larger methamphetamine doses because the dose you used to take is dull like water.
As someone who also has been to some parties, they can also be the most wholesome and safe thing ever. People compliment you for the compliment and not to make advances. You have security that takes care of you way better than in any nightclub. You can always just party and not do anything and everyone is cool with that. At least the ones I’ve been to were non judgemental safe space where people can just be who they want to be
Show me a journalistic video without it !! 🤣. And this one with a sort of 'latest James Bond set & villain ' aesthetics... at least 50% of journalistic videos are actually 'nothing creatively dressed as drama'.
This sort of thing has always existed, and it's not common. What is actually sad and widespread is...well, just watch or read Vice. It's a problem and it's everywhere. Society is sick. Up means down now
@@NWer-c5u Actually this is a misconception. If you read the laws and statutes during those times you would come across pretty sexually conservative laws and customs. Same thing with laws mocking and castrating homosexuals.
I can quite understand why they don't allow single men to attend without a female partner - otherwise it would just be a wall-to-wall sausage fest! I can just imagine a single guy coming along to a swinger's party and expecting to have a great time with loads of different women, only to find when he gets there that the only people attending are single guys just the same as him!
I don't know what kind of parties this person has been to. Definitely not my experience. The first party I went to was super welcoming. You get bracelets in different colours that meam how you want to be approached or if being approached is welcome at all. Anyone does something without consent the bouncers kick them out and they're banned. I don't know who's planning these parties this person went to, but they don't sound like people who really live by the spirit of kink of doing what you want (where consent is key).
@@silvia-c7n says a person who's never been 🙄 Safe kink spaces are real. It's a huge part of where people actually learn about and popularize safe sex practices, particularly consent. Kink culture is all about consent first over anything. Which is 100% the difference between sex and assault.
@Puuws all the events I went to were 60% or more older crowd. However, it was in the second largest hub in my country and the main place in the whole country to be queer friendly. I can see it being different in some smaller spaces or in countries that don't value equality/equitable rights.
The only thing I don't like is at the end when they tried to frame the parties as victimizing. I notice people do this with sex. It's like the world revolvs around them and everyone is a creep or predator or abusive and they're a target. NO. If you were in a relationship in a free country, you did NOT have to go to sexparties, have 24/7 sex, sleep with other people, etc. if you didn't want to. You agreed to that. you're an adult and gave consent. Don't go to these things or form relationships with people like this if you can't say no and set boundaries because then you will go on portraying it like you were just some innocent lamb captured and forced to do things that you actually consented to.
The thing with swinging is : you know where it starts but you have NOOOOO clue where it will end and you lose more and more of your core personality if you ask me because it stretches your boundaries that much
As someone who goes to these parties….. this is a total misrepresentation of the scene. Idk what parties this person goes to but this is not normal at all.
You can tell by the way this person talks, they are totally narcissistic. Pretending like they aren’t as gross as the parties they willingly attend. This person knows these things for a reason.
I can appreciate that this is definitely undercover and you can’t tell the person‘s voice the sex obviously visual what they look like. As opposed to some of these channels that say oh, we’re not gonna give the name but they show the feet or the person or they give the name and they don’t show the person because they want to protect them.
This person is exaggerating it very badly. It’s just a regular dance club with a room in the back where you can hook up. There’s security guards there roaming constantly to make sure creepers aren’t being creeps. There’s protection and even private rooms too. Basically it’s just sex, but not taboo or bad like society makes you feel it is. Just be polite, use protection, and most importantly ask for consent in everything. It’s really not as “mysterious” as people make it out to be. Edit: And if you’re curious: **no I don’t have any STDs.** I literally get checked every 1-2 months. The community is extremely strict about safety and consent. That said, if it’s not right for you that’s fine too. But if it is, come on by, we’re really just your average people just with kinks or higher libido.
I would just like to point out that Dominants and Sadists in the BDSM community are not sexual sadists who get off solely on hurting their partner. Consent is a huge issue for everyone in the community, we only exist as a community by respecting each other and having informed consent and the constant right for the submissive to withdraw consent. Don’t tarnish us all with the same brush just because we are kinky, play safe and have a great day.
@piercemoore4402 this who video seems like a big misinformation! Swing parties seem super fun if it's safe and consensual so why being against it!? Every person has a different experience
Im soooooo glad my husband and i only want each other. My personal opinion is this life style is sad and full of stds. on another note, why are they making this video look like a horror film? People hook up, its their life.
@fccthe3813 I don't know how u can be mad at peope who are having sex for fun its not like they are hurting anyone, it's not a relationship ship, there should be nsa
@@migerrancan554 I just find it to be weird and it’s okay as a sexual preference just not something you’d wanna share with a partner in a serious relationship
the funniest thing I ever heard was in a documentary about either hugh hefner or larry flynt and the guy was reminiscing on the wildness of the 60s, he was clearly on the zesty side of things and the way you could see him fondly remember participating in what he called a "gravy train".....to this day I never want or need to know whatever that means. 😆Ppl nasty bruh. I mean have fun, but damn....call me modest. No other trees in my forest please. I couldn't even imagine.
well, urban dictionary says a gravy train is like a job or agreement that's very easy but also lucrative. there was only one sexual definition which was definitely wrong, since that sexual act has another name.
Well, I know what a "train" means. It is when one woman gets fracked by a bunch of guys, one after another. I imagine that "gravely train" refers to that or something similar.
i can’t believe 99% of people don’t know what a sex party is lol. i go to one once a month. it’s a wonderful and respectful (or at least should be and is the kind that i go to) experience to escape reality for a night.
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Bodies burn literally in Hell in the end, so no imagination will be required then.
When I go to a party I just end up eating cake in the corner and talking to strangers about my holiday plans.
A lot of people do.
Much better
That’s my preference for a party. Food and drinks and wholesome small talk. Some laughter.
Oh yay! You're so virtuous!
@@khweziza5397 yes. It feels good to not need to wear a rubber mask when I want to talk about my lifestyle.
‘It’s a space where people can really convince themselves that they are ok with things that they are not.’ Interesting observation.
Self-Gaslighting.
sounds like polyamorous youtube
uh sounds like church and real life
Sounds like forcing yourself into wickedness for the sake of public approval even if you feel bad about it. Ive felt this with sexual partners in the past. Truly sickening and anti humane.
@@PolishBehemoth I suspect the "public" in "public approval" are groups of sociopaths and their ilk that these people associate with to make themselves feel better. Some people are desperate to "keep up with the Joneses", even if the Joneses are crooks and psychos. It's terrible. It's like being in a Cult.
This is what you become when you have too much. You can't appreciate anything that's not extreme anymore. It's actually sad, because the worth comes from how we perceive it. People who are happy having little are the luckiest ones.
Human trafficking, rape and orgies, now using AI. FOLLOW THE MONEY
Well said
indeed, this is a horror scene for anyone with a normal basic human compass, apparently its lacking in this person,...
Yes its called desensitization and its used on the general public every day through t v and movies that why most people have no emotional response to shocking events anymore
@@cbrouma8014 Need to RESET.
Imagine the STDs being passed around , both sexually and spiritually. Be safe out there.
They'd probably get sued and shut down if they don't require a paper from the clinic from their clients
@@Pllayer064 in my experience and knowledge, they don’t require that
@@Pllayer064 I've been to multiple sex parties before as an observer. They definitely don't check that ever
@@Pllayer064😂 I don't know where you're from, but in The UK swinger clubs don't ask for any proof of clear STD's. They sell condoms, and also recommend you bring your own, but that's it.
Doxypep is out now. Reduces STDs transmission rates as much as 50% for syphilis and gono, and 88% for chlamydia.
Every swinger I've known was about as attractive as the average employee at the DMV. They tend to have dull personalities and a real needy energy about them.
No lies detected 😂 I know two ✌ couples that use to be in these clubs and they asked me and my partner at the time if we were interested and it was a big no. I definitely would've been the one losing out in the situation.
Yep same here. Some ugly couple wanting to get my wife interested. @@WiLLy2xs
Agreed most if not all people that I've met in those lifestyles we're old unattractive with off-putting personalities. It probably has to do with where I live though. Florida is where America's old people go to live their best life before they die. The Villages being a perfect example not the only example however, it's everywhere.
most women in their 40s clinging onto youth
@@cmh9932 Florida is America's syphilitic wang, after all... ;)
Who’s here after the P’diddy case??
P Diddy is innocent another Rich man black trying get brung down smh just like they MJ and bill Cosby 🤦🏻♂️
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Ryan Garcia was right
Lol me but may God bless these poor souls may he break them free from the temptation of thr devil may he flee from righteousness an may wickedness flee from sinners may sinners repent an change from this lifestyle
you came to the wrong place, they don't talk about children here
Honestly, just sounds like a lot of effort for hedonism
Yeah like the Japanese culture isn’t known for that. You hypocrite
We can only hope
then it's not hedonism, all this sounds pretty awful.
I'm happy just having one partner to give all my love to. These people seem genuinely unhappy.
it's not effort for the bored zionist elite that produce this garbage. he didn't mention the children involved.
Talking about that woman who was uncomfortable knowing her partner was next to her with someone else is pretty sad. Power to people genuinely enjoying it, but it seems like many folks are just traumatizing themselves
she felt sad..... as she was under someone else "playing". what a dumbarse...
Can't be good for you mentally
I mean wasn't that person literally having sex with someone else at the exact same moment? That was a laughable example
@@maximilianomadrigal6661 the girl was having sex with someone else at the exact same moment but from what it sounds like she wasn't enjoying the experience but also watching her boyfriend railing another bird in front of her probably made her feel even worse. Like my uncle used to say (he was a heavy swinger back in his days) "swingers clubs are meant for single people, not for couple's therapy" lmao and it's so true. I hear it time and time again of couples fighting or breaking up because they wanted to experience other ways of exciting themselves sexually and it all goes tits up (pun intended ironically) on their first experience. I've personally been to a few when I was single and it was a lot of fun and it healed me from my break up with my ex because she cheated on my 3 times with people we knew for years the smelly cow.
@paparoach007 sorry she done that to you. Love youre user name though lol
I used to be with someone who was very much into that scene. They said they were polyamorous (and I am not, they said they were going to be exclusive to me), but they continued to go to kink clubs and pressure me to go with them all the time because it’s their lifestyle and I should partake into things they like.
I was never comfortable with the idea of “sharing”, being touched by others, or watching others do things. I feel as though in those situations, it is not “Don’t knock it if you hadn’t tried it”. That doesn’t apply here.
Long story short, they came back home one night and got de dressed for bed, and They were COVERED in bite marks, hickies, and they smelt like other people (that particular sweaty smell that’s mixed with other stuff). They told me they wouldn’t, and they did. I packed my bags a week after and moved away
I found out the caught HSV and are still going to those clubs to this day. So I dodged a major bullet.
Some clubs done check for STDs and people don’t care…
I broke up with my polyamorous ex 2 years ago. He was constantly seeing girls for sex we went on holiday and he’ll browse tinder trying to score a girl for us to have a threesome. He even brought one girl home while I was there and I could hear everything in the other room. I had to break up with him didn’t want to but it had me feeling unloved.
Your first red flag was that you both were incompatible and yet, you manged to convince yourself it could work. Why? You hurt you more than they did by not trusting yourself.
I’m curious, did this person have any STDs going to these conventions a lot?
@@Silvermoonscorpionhit the nail on the head. They both fucked up by thinking it could work. Also HSV could be cold sores which majority of the population have even if they’re asymptomatic (and most of the population aren’t swingers….)
@@SilvermoonscorpionAnd they still dodged a bullet as they said.
One of the best vacations I ever had was to Birmingham. No orgies or sex involved, but lots else to do, some lovely art, aquarium, pen museum.
Lmao
Congrats lol
Okay? Ahah
My best vacation was not going to Birmingham.
I thought Birmingham was a shithole and everyone that live in it woke up daily feeling piss off
this is a lifestyle that I'm happy to know very little about..
Well you sound boring
@@fundifferent1Your sexualized brain just can't imagine watching a RUclips video without touching yourself lol
@@jamess6719 butthurt old swinger detected
@@fundifferent1 found the 60 year old snowflake
@@fundifferent1😂😂😂
I'd rather walk on the beach with someone I love
Then get tf outta here 😂
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These parties happen!!!!!
@@fortniteplayer2798”fortnite player” bro go do your homework 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Newyorkburger1111 I already finished it! 😝
I’ve got zero desire to mix with the kind of people that are into this
No less risky than modern hook-up culture 😅
@@Alexxx492 it’s not about risk. It’s the general sleaziness of it. At least with hookups there is generally some conversation leading into it than just making eye contact with someone and gesturing for their dick to enter you
@@Alexxx492 That is also gross and should also be illegal.
@@clericaltotalitarian Yeah, adults shouldn't be able to have sex with other adults!!! Hahaha
@@Alexxx492 Not that, i said hook-up culture.
The mask wasn't for disguise. She just came straight from the club...
Edit: she
you mean she
You can see it's a woman
@@galaxseeyou mean a gay man?
@@austinbaer5559 no, no, woman for sure. You can see the moves. And what she says also. No man would say things like this.
It’s a she
im sorry ik this is a serious video. but i swear on my life i got an ad for the diddy documentary before this.
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So it's basically like playing a sick game of twister but after your done you are covered in body fluids with a stranger loose pubic hairs tangled with your owns.
And?
These people that do this don't mind it. They're having a good time.
So gross
...that's......that's the point
@@PresidentKamalaHarris. And well you will most likely have a std, even if condoms are used. Things like gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, HPV can all be transferred very easy even wearing condoms, also from oral/kissing/saliva. Not to mention there is no test or cure for HPV and can cause cancer.
I cant begin to imagine the STINK of those "get togethers". 🤢🤮
Whatever you do don't sit on the furniture
Ass juice, body odor and fish smell 🤮😂😂😂
A late friend of mine, who worked for Hugh Hefner in New York in around 1966-70 (and attended a number of his orgies), said the same thing.
And that the men with small wieners (usually the majority) would sometimes become hostile if they saw you were packing.
Right! And all the Christians are targeting homosexual sin.
Sexual immorality abounds and we need to call all sin out, so that the sinner might repent and know Christ and not perish.
Ewww
Coming from a person who can’t grasp the concept of DTF lifestyle, I don’t know why but when I hear stories like these I feel so much better about myself. I feel like we should protect our integrity at all costs and it’s one thing we have complete control over because otherwise… how could you feel good inside and able to have “love & peace” within yourself, be able to close your eyes and go to sleep without feeling like scum? Integrity means a lot, it’s tied to your reputation.. but anyway.
Or maybe "these people" don't think like you and don't care or see things like shame the way you do. They just want to do what they want and not be judged for it. 🤷
@ You do you then. Don’t let my opinion of such people bother ya.
i think the correct term is 'superspreader event'
Yup popularized by unmasked trump rallies
I agree
Happening to be a carrier of COVID would make it even more so xD :P
@@handlemonium imagine getting gonorrhea, herpes, covid and the flu in the same day
@@handlemoniumcovid is probably one of the least concern
This sounds like something from a nightmare.
The monkey life is a nightmare where they are the hero coming to save the day by jumping into the freak off. But she didn't mean to. Lol
@@Erica-cf1xb I mean, religious texts call this type of behavior wicked for a reason. In their own eyes these people think they're good and upright but in reality their ways are twisted.
@@Erica-cf1xbis this english
Someone elses nightmare, is another persons paradise.
@@stoiccrane4259 Not true. In esoteric traditions sex orgies are permitted. In any event, If you can control someones sex drive, you control their whole life.
I've known a number of swingers in my life. From my observations, they have been either sex/porn addicts or extremely broken individuals.
Democrats
Trump
Dysfunctional or partners who don’t want to have sex with their spouse anymore.
Broken, diseased, and empty. NPC's with no moral compass.
2:55 Perhaps "itch" wasn't the best word to use in such a topic. LOL
Its actually very accurate
I thought that as well lmao. When she said "I got an itch" I thought I bet you f*cking have xD
Ya that’s when the color grading changed for me
@@maloneaqua A slave to sexual impulse. Like a dog barking at a car.
Yup the story did not go in the direction I expected
I've no doubt in my mind some of the saddest people attend these 'parties'. Kindoff like that Black Mirror episode where people in a club try hard to feel anything through hedonism.
absolutly my thoughts bud
Typically women in their 40s whose husband have erectile dysfunction. I'm with a married 47 year old chick now that admitted it to me. I have hard suspicions she's a swinger. Because of the locations she goes for vacation. She also likes going on cruises which are filled with swingers. Stay away from chicks that like going on cruises without you.
100% people with major self esteem issues, personality disorders, drug problems and depression.
What episode is this?
@@khanabychkova5265 San Junipero if I'm not mistaken.
This sounds like. really demonic and satanistic experience....
Satan isn't real.They just sound mentally sick.
I think you're describing a Trump rally
@@kbanghartI can’t think of anything bad that’s ever happened at a Trump really except the CIA (now a bunch of atheist f at lezzies and pha ggitz) trying to shoot him but God averted it. I remember that. There’s even an everlasting photo of it.
I can’t remember anything bad at a Kamala or Joe rally because they’ve never had one nor could they.
Let me know if you need any more help figuring out reality.
Will E Braun.
@@kbanghart How is that remotely relevent.
@@jackward770 because Trump is demonic.
Duh.
People are free to do as they please but I guarantee these practices catch up with you and leave you broken
Thank you!
Who gonna catch them if everyone is wearing a white mask? That's snitching and against the rules.
*will…
Broken?why?
@@krisgrymbecause it shameful and not good for your mental and physical health.
2:30 Imagine putting "Orgy Monitor" on a job app😂
Sound hilarious I imagine a referee with a whistle tossing yellow or red flags
Where do I apply ⁉️
@@92bagderif you showed up to one of those parties I’m sure we would laugh you out the room
@@The_Quaaludeare you promoting harmful substances in your username?
@@PresidentKamalaHarris. yes
There’s a difference between being “sexually open” and being a true sex addict…
I, at 21, had the opportunity to take a free cruise with a couple buds. There was literally dozens of offers to swing. Every single person was at least double our age, some triple. The smiles on the husbands faces while they talked about it was some of the creepiest stuff ever. Some of the wives had the persona of lets get this over with to make him happy and get on with our lives. Looking back it was hilarious.
So how was the swinging?
Where do we sign up, don't be stingy.
@@wayfaringstranger8430hedonism cruise. You're welcome.
@@wayfaringstranger8430also look up any lifestyle resort or lifestyle cruise.
Lmao what cruise line?
I've had many opportunities to join a group orgy but have never had the desire to act on it. To me sex is a spiritual experience that should be respected and shared with your soulmate or twin flame. I think it would be spiritual exhausting sharing your partner with so many other people, and then taking on their energy afterwards. I think people who are non-monogamous end up forgetting how to have that true connection with their primary partner, cause sex is so tainted, and that's the only dynamic of a relationship they have is just based around sex.
I've had many opportunities to join in a group orgy too.
And I took every single one of them!🤣😁
This would just apply to swingers, not all non-monogamous people.
True, although there is considerable overlap these days. Plenty of us who have poly relationships also participate in swinging.
I'd love to do it but I'm too self conscious about my small man boobs, which I have despite not really being particularly overweight (I need to lose about 5kg apparently), so I'll never do it
losing connection with self through the process too?
Here to hear about these “freak off’s”
Diddy party
I've always been curious about the dynamics of swinger parties. It's fascinating to see different perspectives and experiences.
You should check out the FetLife life style groups if you're interested
how you got 6 mil
Yea sin is super interesting
@@chris64kbots cant make a question like this on a video like this without much human interaction
Smart gadgets warehouse
I searched RUclips for a 3D printed Stanley Cup and this popped up in my feed!
That's what I would bring to the club.
😂😂😂😂
Some videos are pushed into your feed because of paid promotion.
VICE is paying to get this video to show up in everyone's feed from a certain age, geographic region, etc.
it pooped up?
@@theonlinecrunch7874Well I bet there's definitely poop involved sometimes......unintentionally 😏
The irony that this was the chillest one - way more chill than "rich kids volunteering", flight attendants, and hotel managers.
yeah I love swinging. it's [describes trauma, abuse and discomfort for six minutes]
Lol.
There are no boundaries effectively through communication in these areas. Too many conflicting parts, people, emotions, mind state..etc. just like these polygamous relationships. Always conflicts in those relationships. Jealously, spite, manipulation, greed, anger...all the worst emotions come out and that's how people get hurt for seeking pleasure with strangers.
Polyamory is about breaking down the walls we've built around sex and romance and finally understanding how wide-ranging and encompassing our relationships truly are.
100% agree
That’s what you think. For others it’s a safe space practicing what they want in a safe environment
As a big introvert, knowing people do this for “fun” is bonkers to me. Hell na
Finally!!!!!! After a longtime VICE is back again, with it's "INFORMER" series.
It’s a reupload
damn @@partysmoke
"Eyes Wide Shut" was a documentary.
Change my mind.
That movie was silly AF to those of us in the actual swinging lifestyle.
@@kenofken9458was it super immaculate?
Yes, a documentary about pedoelite, not swingers
about the folks in D C
Human trafficking, rape and orgies, now using AI. FOLLOW THE MONEY
“Childhood trauma subtly shapes and manifests in profound ways throughout adulthood, leaving lasting impressions that ripple through our lives.”
Thinking you live a fulfilling life but in actuality it's a hollow existence
No it ain't 😡
@KatyYoder-cq1kc
Human trafficking, rape and orgies, now using AI. FOLLOW THE MONEY
@@MarcusSandoval-kx2thDamn Elmo you scary. I'm shitting myself in fear
Hurts, doesn’t it.
@@KaileyArmstrong-po8wv What? Shitting himself in fear?
Theres literally a few ppl we can all think of who:
1. outright own super yachts
2. can book the fanciest of hotels np
(and do weird things in those rooms...yuck)
3. Frequent Sex Parties $75K/year
(minimum)
4. Also are mega rich + have publically "clean" images
Vice does a great job shedding light on the more lascivious versions of life and the folks w/ money that frequent those sides.
Sexual experiences like swinging/swingers clubs have been happening for millennia, sex was a very popular commodity back in the days of the Roman Empire, Victorian Era etc.. because it allowed the poorer people in societies to earn a living. These days mainly in America sex has become far too expensive and more dangerous. In Amsterdam's Red Light District it used to be around $80-$120, now it's at $180-350 depending on where you go. Sex is a natural thing for us to do and appreciate but these days all of it has changed and not in a good way.
@@paparoach007 It's people who perverted it.
@stoiccrane4259 people "perverted" swinging?? Pretty sure it was already perverted 😂
@@paparoach007 I'm afraid your way of looking at it is false.
There are consequences to women that enjoy sex, and rewards for men that do the same.
thank you for that ancient goat-enjoyer wisdom
Lust is the worst thing in the entire world
It just makes me feel sick and sad and I want to cry. It is not about what is normal or not, it is about people changing value of love and intimacy to value of unlimited sex... hard to put my thoughts together, but it feels and sounds wrong.
There's a very easy solution to your dilemma: Don't get involved with it if it's not your thing.
@@kenofken9458there’s a better solution, making this illegal to avoid issues.
@@kenofken9458 Gee, such sage advice. AKA no sh*t. 🙄
@@kenofken9458gross. Why bother commenting and trying to defend this abomination
exactly
Eyes wide shut
Fiction movie with fake settings. Conspiracy theory
Movie based on a true events💀
Was just thinking about that
Epstiens case begs to differ, plus the following cover up on clientele@@PresidentKamalaHarris.
Only difference is that Eyes wide shut was a pedo thing with reference to underage kids.
I have been interested in checking out swinging parties at some point but I'd only really be comfortable if it was organized by some friends and their friend circles I don't think I could go to just a random party where nobody knew anyone. And also I LOVE sounding, not many people are into it but i once knew this guy who got me into it. And yeah it is important to be firm on boundaries with this kind of lifestyle. This is a great talk, really interesting stuff.
As someone who’s a decently attractive and has been approached for said “parties” I can honestly say that sounds like an absolute horrid time and nothing I wanna be apart of.. a bunch of effort just to defile yourself
same, I actually had a 'friend' and her husband (which he's somewhat famous) won't say who he is.....hint that they were swingers, and hinted at asking if was, um, awkward
@@sableann4255 yeh eff that noise
the image randomly turning into negative with part of what he said in big font became increasingly funny when it emphasized things like "WHOLE RESORTS" and "UNWANTED 24/7 SEX" lmao.
It's a she
I just found the whole thing boring.
This guy just experienced the Diddy freak offs.
Just imagine the smell after awhile😳
Like a gym or any other place with large body of people. Try going to a GameStop or anime convention.
@@PresidentKamalaHarris. You've never had sex have you
🤢🤮
@@PresidentKamalaHarris. Lol
@@oohweeoohwee9222same with trump rallies
The combination of the mask, the tone of the informer’s voice, their accent, and speaking cadence/rhythm that makes this audio totally incomprehensible to me. There’s nothing wrong with their voice; it’s the combination of factors that makes them sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher.
The voice is intentionally messed up in order not to like it. This is feminism for you.
@@stefanostokatlidis4861 WTF
@@stefanostokatlidis4861 whaat?😂
@@stefanostokatlidis4861what 😂
@@stefanostokatlidis4861 Bro???
i attended an invite only party one time, had to get tested and show proof that i was negative before being allowed in. in the group chat it was made very clear that noncon was not allowed and you'd be banned from any future parties. there was no pressure to have sex.
the owner told me i could just hang out, hell she was even doing people's makeup. there were bead necklaces that indicted to others if you wanted to be touched or not. red for no, yellow for ask first, green for yes.
the owner had the tv on but muted, and she had these epic colorful lights dancing across the walls. i spent most of my time talking with people, explored a bit, overall had a great time. parties can be a hit or a miss, you just gotta know how to tell apart a shitty party from a good one.
"What's the password"
"Oooooooorrrrrggggggggy."
Dude, don’t embarrass yourself, they changed it to “orgy pile”
Great always sunny reference
“Oh I come here for the free snacks”
As an unattractive black man, this clearly won't be something available to me and I"m actually ok with that. I don't like having sex with random people because I'd be worried the whole time if I'm getting an STD. No thanks.
Its also soul destroying ,as you create soul ties that fragment your own ,also with all the people they have slept with also! You have been saved!
This is why God burned the city of Sodom and Gomorrah. People had take a look around and realize that we're living in the end times and repent of their sins because God isn't playing around anymore. Those still living in sin will be left behind and conditions will be horrific.
Didn’t realize how upset this topic would make people in the comments. Considering how many awful things this series has covered, this is fairly benign.
Swinging is the right space to feel inadequate about yourself and uselessly chase after validation.
I remember a reality show a few years ago where rapper Ice Cube was walking through some dark empty rooms where a sex party had taken place, and commented: “could sure use an air-freshener in here”.
To each their own i suppose, but all of this is fucking disgusting honestly. Not to mention the emotional damage and baggage that inevitably ensues for people engaging in this sort of sexual promiscuity and debauchery.
Yes, brother. A twisted degradation of life for cheap thrills and dopamine spikes. Imagine all of the good these people could actually direct their attention and resources to instead of living to disperse their own filth and fluid among strangers.
Especially the hyper-affluent with the material wealth of nations. To whom much is given much is expected and they fall so erroneously short of the mark. Existing for ego instead of the All. We all have our struggles with vice and temptation but they relish in theirs!
@@stoiccrane4259 well spoken. Yes, I have had many many many struggles myself. We all suffer from one sort of temptation or another. Drugs are one thing for sure, but physically mixing bodily fluids with strangers let alone multiple strangers at once is beyond the pale imo. All else is arguably a personal issue or struggle but the entire sex for sexs' sake is nasty af. At least with drugs the high lasts longer I suppose but all of these sexual deviants and "free lovers" are all such broken people, not that I don't understand and empathize to a degree but damn, an "orgy pile"?????!!!!!! WTF. If someone thinks that's OK and an acceptable risk etc than there isn't anything I could say that would help them pull their head out of their ass. The most intimate and physically personal thing you could do or share with someone and these nasty fuckers act like young rabbits.......ughhhhhh no thanks.
It seems cultish and just disgusting
agree.
i agree. stds. and also just the fuckery it does to the mind.
Treating sex this way shares a lot of parallels with shooting up larger and larger methamphetamine doses because the dose you used to take is dull like water.
detox every now and then
SUGGESTION: I would love to hear a voice actress/actor over these testimonies, it would make it easier to watch/hear. Just a suggestion.
why?
Sound engineer really did their thing here.
As someone who also has been to some parties, they can also be the most wholesome and safe thing ever. People compliment you for the compliment and not to make advances. You have security that takes care of you way better than in any nightclub. You can always just party and not do anything and everyone is cool with that.
At least the ones I’ve been to were non judgemental safe space where people can just be who they want to be
It’s all out there - good and bad, all I can say is be careful. It’s a minefield out there.
This is honest and i appreciate that.
Who’s here after Diddy?
Why do ominous music! And vibe 🤣
Show me a journalistic video without it !! 🤣. And this one with a sort of 'latest James Bond set & villain ' aesthetics... at least 50% of journalistic videos are actually 'nothing creatively dressed as drama'.
@@Doctorsexylovethe music fits the scene perfectly. Mysterious and yet cautiously inviting.
Need some stock ukelele music to lighten up the vibe
@@remixisthis 🤣
@@remixisthis😂😂😂
Omg urethral what??? Ouch omg my jaw dropped and I out loud said WHATTT
A smooth and properly lubed insertion feels good. The instrument used is typically made of stainless steel or silicone.
@@simpindulgence6384 You do you
"Living his best life". Apparently.
Every guy simultaneously felt a terrible pain in their crotch area after hearing that, for sure
@@tilebreakers I felt the pain too and I'm not a guy, it sounded soo painful
The worst part of an orgy is not knowing who to thank 😅
I missed these Keep them coming!
Very sad and dark times for the world.
You should read up on what the Romans and Greeks were into, this is nothing new.
This sort of thing has always existed, and it's not common. What is actually sad and widespread is...well, just watch or read Vice. It's a problem and it's everywhere. Society is sick. Up means down now
@bigguyCI-hn9nzhe is. The Romans had giant orgies for saturnalia
Kali yuga...
@@NWer-c5u Actually this is a misconception. If you read the laws and statutes during those times you would come across pretty sexually conservative laws and customs. Same thing with laws mocking and castrating homosexuals.
I loved this interview. I found the voice very hard to understand though and had to read the subtitles for most of it (like 90%).
This sounds like those Hollywood mansion parties that are often talked about.
Half way through the video and iam already half dead, this woman knows EVERYTHING wtf
I can quite understand why they don't allow single men to attend without a female partner - otherwise it would just be a wall-to-wall sausage fest! I can just imagine a single guy coming along to a swinger's party and expecting to have a great time with loads of different women, only to find when he gets there that the only people attending are single guys just the same as him!
I think that this person is talking about my place of employment.
The White House?
I don't know what kind of parties this person has been to. Definitely not my experience.
The first party I went to was super welcoming.
You get bracelets in different colours that meam how you want to be approached or if being approached is welcome at all. Anyone does something without consent the bouncers kick them out and they're banned.
I don't know who's planning these parties this person went to, but they don't sound like people who really live by the spirit of kink of doing what you want (where consent is key).
you mean to say there is anything with spirit involved? You are delusional
@@silvia-c7n says a person who's never been 🙄
Safe kink spaces are real. It's a huge part of where people actually learn about and popularize safe sex practices, particularly consent. Kink culture is all about consent first over anything. Which is 100% the difference between sex and assault.
@Puuws all the events I went to were 60% or more older crowd. However, it was in the second largest hub in my country and the main place in the whole country to be queer friendly. I can see it being different in some smaller spaces or in countries that don't value equality/equitable rights.
Man this is recommending me after Pdiddy was arrested
Informer is back!
The only thing I don't like is at the end when they tried to frame the parties as victimizing. I notice people do this with sex. It's like the world revolvs around them and everyone is a creep or predator or abusive and they're a target. NO. If you were in a relationship in a free country, you did NOT have to go to sexparties, have 24/7 sex, sleep with other people, etc. if you didn't want to. You agreed to that. you're an adult and gave consent. Don't go to these things or form relationships with people like this if you can't say no and set boundaries because then you will go on portraying it like you were just some innocent lamb captured and forced to do things that you actually consented to.
so you mean they can't do this in North Korea?!?! lol
Now i have a new name for people i don't like - solowan*er "My boss is such a solowan*er"
Some sickos in the world.
Clearly, but hey, "you should not judge" lol
this is so tame compared to the other vids vice has made lmao
@@mindfulstoic3095 That's true. Bible says it.
True. Some people have no soul. To me at least, how can you look at yourself in the mirror after doing this.
Boring. I would rather continue to be celibate. I am enjoying it so much. I don't mix up my energy with anyone so it's clean.
If you were enjoying celibacy, you wouldn't be trolling stories about kink....
When you have no objective morality you can justify doing horrible acts in the name of living your best life
We see that with JD Vance every day.
This whole thing with Diddy make this make so much sense now...
This is also a Jeffrey Epstein and Mike Rubin thing allegedly.
In this day and age with so many std's some of which are fatal I'd be hard press to attend one of these parties.
The thing with swinging is : you know where it starts but you have NOOOOO clue where it will end and you lose more and more of your core personality if you ask me because it stretches your boundaries that much
I was looking for documentary about unit 731 and RUclips recomended this
😂😂lol Same
same lol
As someone who goes to these parties….. this is a total misrepresentation of the scene. Idk what parties this person goes to but this is not normal at all.
You can tell by the way this person talks, they are totally narcissistic. Pretending like they aren’t as gross as the parties they willingly attend. This person knows these things for a reason.
I can appreciate that this is definitely undercover and you can’t tell the person‘s voice the sex obviously visual what they look like. As opposed to some of these channels that say oh, we’re not gonna give the name but they show the feet or the person or they give the name and they don’t show the person because they want to protect them.
It's a woman. They've tried way too hard to hide it and so given it away. Look at the proportions
This person is exaggerating it very badly. It’s just a regular dance club with a room in the back where you can hook up. There’s security guards there roaming constantly to make sure creepers aren’t being creeps. There’s protection and even private rooms too.
Basically it’s just sex, but not taboo or bad like society makes you feel it is. Just be polite, use protection, and most importantly ask for consent in everything. It’s really not as “mysterious” as people make it out to be.
Edit:
And if you’re curious: **no I don’t have any STDs.** I literally get checked every 1-2 months. The community is extremely strict about safety and consent. That said, if it’s not right for you that’s fine too. But if it is, come on by, we’re really just your average people just with kinks or higher libido.
Well said
I would just like to point out that Dominants and Sadists in the BDSM community are not sexual sadists who get off solely on hurting their partner. Consent is a huge issue for everyone in the community, we only exist as a community by respecting each other and having informed consent and the constant right for the submissive to withdraw consent.
Don’t tarnish us all with the same brush just because we are kinky, play safe and have a great day.
Agree 100%. This video is inflammatory misinformation aiming to extract the reactions we're seeing in the comments. So infuriating.
@piercemoore4402 this who video seems like a big misinformation! Swing parties seem super fun if it's safe and consensual so why being against it!? Every person has a different experience
The person said consent was taken more seriously in the bdsm/ kink parties than the heteronormative ones.
you mean consent, or manipulating people to behave like pigs!
Not all swingers are kinky or into bdsm though. Poly and bdsm isn’t the same
Anyone going back to this after the whole P. Diddy mess?
Watching cause Puffy
Im soooooo glad my husband and i only want each other. My personal opinion is this life style is sad and full of stds. on another note, why are they making this video look like a horror film? People hook up, its their life.
Can this video finally convince people that a swinger relationship is not the way to go?
Having sex with other people while also having a romantic partner is not what anyone should want in a relationship
Only the incels and religious types who already were sour on it before they hit the play button.
@fccthe3813 I don't know how u can be mad at peope who are having sex for fun its not like they are hurting anyone, it's not a relationship ship, there should be nsa
@@migerrancan554 I just find it to be weird and it’s okay as a sexual preference just not something you’d wanna share with a partner in a serious relationship
@@migerrancan554 if you have a wife or a husband would you want to share that person with another? just so your partner can have the freedom to do so?
the funniest thing I ever heard was in a documentary about either hugh hefner or larry flynt and the guy was reminiscing on the wildness of the 60s, he was clearly on the zesty side of things and the way you could see him fondly remember participating in what he called a "gravy train".....to this day I never want or need to know whatever that means. 😆Ppl nasty bruh. I mean have fun, but damn....call me modest. No other trees in my forest please. I couldn't even imagine.
Lol
well, urban dictionary says a gravy train is like a job or agreement that's very easy but also lucrative. there was only one sexual definition which was definitely wrong, since that sexual act has another name.
Well, I know what a "train" means. It is when one woman gets fracked by a bunch of guys, one after another. I imagine that "gravely train" refers to that or something similar.
Ppl nasty af
The gravy train reference would basically mean whatever was happening was happening in abundance. But yes, nasty.
i can’t believe 99% of people don’t know what a sex party is lol. i go to one once a month. it’s a wonderful and respectful (or at least should be and is the kind that i go to) experience to escape reality for a night.
That's just average orgy with adults, while what elites do is more f*cked up things like pedo stuff mixed with zoo and cannibal stuff
Lol this is why Aliens want nothing to do with us