Should I Take NVIDIA Back? Nvidia RTX 3080 Ti Review
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
0:53 What even is a 3080 Ti?
2:14 Test setup & gaming results
3:24 Productivity results
4:54 Thermals & power
6:16 Nvidia's rationale & new attitude
8:06 Pricing
8:28 It's $1,199
8:39 Hashrate limiter
9:55 Conclusion 
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Can't wait to not be able to find this either.
CHEFPK whacha doin here? go make some food wars food irl, i need some recipes :)
Luckily this has never been said before.
@@GoldstarVFX I need a new card for all of the Ecchi goodness
Same
you are everywhere!!
"At significantly lower price!"
Nvidia: Yeah... about that...
can't wait to spend 2000$ for a gpu!
@@conturnplayscounturn6911 can't wait to buy the 3060 for 3k
Well that was a lie...
oof
@@conturnplayscounturn6911 To play small indie games and watching movies.
Let's talk about price without knowing the price. That's a good idea!
Yeah this is a absolute trash way to review something. LTT has shown that they don't care about their reviews. Their reviews are so sloppy compared to other tech channels. Simply editing in a 1 second prerecorded face reaction to the price is not good enough. If Nvidia had come in with the 3080Ti at $1400, would this review have been the same? What if they came in a $800? Price is extremely important.
LTT is great for entertaining videos on new and unique tech. It has become really bad for actual reviews of products.
what are you guys talking about, the rtx 3080 ti is way lower price than the 3090, in my country the rtx 3090 is 29 thousand reais, the 3080 ti is 14 thousand '-'
@@jonlaw16 Or you know they tell you what you need to know about the product itself and you decide if it is worth it depending on the price.
The tech channels shouldn't decide for you they should give you the tools to make the decision yourself.
Especially now where price is fluctuating so much that msrp is absolutely pointless information.
I know know that the 3080ti is a good card, I know how she compares to other offerings on the market and I can based on that in consideration of my own economic standing decide at what price I buy one if at all.
Nvidia changed the msrp from 1000$ to 1200$ immediately prior to release, reviewers were under the impression it was going to be $1000.
Either way, people need to stop whining about price, GPU's have been selling, a lot, at over double their MSRP, complain about scalpers all you want, but manufacturers have raised their prices significantly, and they're still getting scooped up and resold at huge markups, meaning MSRP is nowhere close to fair for these cards. Does it suck? Fuck yes, but that's literally how the market works, it's supply and demand. Demand exceeds supply, significantly, therefore the ONLY solution to the disparity is to raise the price to find equilibrium. 1200$ for the 3080ti sounds absurd, but if you look at the market, it's being scalped for significantly lower markup than the rest of the lineup, meaning it is not selling at as high of a markup, MEANING the 1200$ price is far, far closer to "correct" for the market conditions, than the 3080, and 3090.
@@tooitchy I found a store that had some cards in store as they adjust pricing depending on how many cards they have left. Funny thing was that the 3080 ti is cheaper than the 3080 there.
"At a much lower price"
Retails for $1199
but it is... assuming a 3090 MSRP is close to $1500 this is 80% of of the price for nearly identical performance. --- - compared to the 3080 it's a much higher price.... .. .. I think not enough people are comparing it to both cards.
@@cecrambler You compare it to the 3080, not the 3090, which makes it utter shit value.
@@maccy2601993 why compare it to the 3080? 3080's are going for about $2K rn.
These are going for $2200, and 3090s are going for close to $3K.
If you can get one of these at $1200, it's a better deal than any 3080 because there are no $700 3080s
@@maccy2601993 yeah, the 380ti isn't worth that little.
Market dictates value, and the market has spoken. These cards are worth over $2000 given current supply and demand.
I wish. That's cheaper than what 3060's are going for here in Australia.
Ah yes, the 3090 Max-Q
Yes jarrod
Haha
Hi verified
Why the Max Q tho ?
wow you were here FAST 😂
for 70% more money, you get 10% performance increase.
Money is irrelevant when it’s only hypothetical that a product is on the market. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
3090-3080=10
True. But it's also 20% less cost for roughly the same performance as a 3090.
@@BradJohannsen if only the 3090 didn't have the worst price to performance and only exists for rich streamers.
@@BradJohannsen damned if you do buy and damned if you dont
"Is this video an out of season April's fool joke?"
It's disappointing how out of touch LTT has become, this was one of the of tech channels
Linus put too much money into his business and created a media company, and now he needs revenue stream from a dying platform that he relies on. So he hires people that can generate clicks and tiktok trash videos to make his revenue of clout cash and keep the lights on. Instead of downsizing and reassessing his income, he doubles-down on the garbage content that relies on 9-13 year olds to click, like, sub, and buy merch. Which is exactly how we got into this mess of unethical shitty social media platforms that bank on halfwits to buy into lies and spend their money on overpriced crap. Welcome to 2021. Go sub GN and unsub LTT (and all their affiliates).
@@evolicious ohhhhh you mad mad 😂
This is a very strange conclusion compared to everyone else's conclusion, which is... this is a waste of money for the performance gain. edit: To be clear I don't think Linus is a shill, I think he's coming at this from a different perspective, it's just strange to see him go from criticizing nVidia cash grabs with the crypto cards and then ignoring that in this analysis.
In comparison with a 3090 it is a bargain. Also if you were to sell the card you will probably double your money.
@@21preend42 Yea, the key words here are "in comparison". Because none of these 2 cards make any sense for gaming when 3080 costs half the money and is practically just as fast.
@@21preend42 and contribute to the market of outrageously priced GPU’s, great idea.
shot before msrp reveal. did you watch the video?
@@NathansAirsoftAnd3D that's fine, but the video was released after the MSRP reveal.
I am the only one that still thinks paying more then 500 dollars on a graphics card is insane?
@muhammad amir just be sure to mine on it to make it even cheaper
Depends on your income. For some people, 500 usd is really not a lot.
Not alone
I just want a beast pc for 1500 but the scalpers are bullying me
mine is around $600 but I feel that same, these prices are laughable.
I can't wait for the next two new GPUs from NVIDIA: the 3090 Ti and 3095 Titan X, which are 1% and 2% faster than 3080 Ti respectively.
And 100% and 200% more expensive respectively
Boy did your comment aged like wine 10 months later 😅
@@timothygibney159 и он был прав
@@timothygibney159 i dont understand what happened
@@timothygibney159 yup he was right lol
Let’s be clear, this is not a review it’s an advert. A little disappointing but not unexpected 😔
Impressively stupid take
No it isn't. He has been shitting on Nvidia the past 2 months. he isn't being paid. He isn't even saying the card is a good value, it's only a good value compared to the 3090 which is $1500
Every other reviewer "DONT BUY THIS, WASTE OF MONEY" meanwhile at LTT "NO BRAINER"
Fanboy I guess.
Linus was focusing on comparing it with the 3090, which is already terrible value, and as if the 3080 didn't exist.
well if you can actually get it for 1200 its a great deal compared to anything else on the market right now
He trashed Nvidia yesterday, but its nice to have money coming in from different sources.
Everything is an insignificant amount when you are a millionaire, but seriously though, Linus was joking, it's just a joke we are too poor to understand is all =/
All other major reviewers' thumbnails/titles: "Try Harder, NVIDIA" ; "A Card Nobody asked for" ; "Waste of Money, robbed blind".
Linus' title: lol
6:59 Linus made a decent point that nvidia should be able to manufacture many more of these than the 3090 simply due to the 50% cut in vRAM. If their goal is higher production, that would help a bit to deal with the crippling shortages.
@@coralinealgae This card is still useless. It costs 71% more than the 3080 (sometimes it's 100% more, mind you) but only has 2-10% in performance gains in gaming. And in 3D applications (my professional area) it's also useless *exactly because of the 50% less VRAM than the 3090%*.
Linus was focusing on comparing it with the 3090, which is already terrible value, and as if the 3080 didn't exist.
@@coralinealgae And as he said, that is assuming there are enough GPU chips to go around. Now nvidia is also manufacturing the new CMP series and they are not going to reduce the production of any of the 3000 series already in production probably. And 1G vram chips are much more easy to acquire. Its just 2GB more vRAM than a 3080. The 3080Ti is not a performance slouch, its great, but at what cost?? And as Linus pointed out so few people bought the 2080Ti, and the 3080Ti is again for the few people who has enough disposable income to spend.
He really do be sucking up to Jenson more recently lmao.
At least Steve's review was honest.
it's the one time I'm happy not to have waited on a TI
Thinking LTT can be honest is like thinking pepsi can be cokacola.
@@evolicious That's not a good comparison because both Pepsi and Coke are garbage drinks from garbage companies.
@@evolicious How is LTT dishonest?
I'm just watching the 3080 numbers and thinking there's zero chance in hell those 12 fps are worth 50% more.
"This is Nvidia's apology or No brainer buy even at $1200" Bro what? Amping up this card before you knew the actual price of it and STILL posting it even with the small update mid video? Not too sure about this one, Linus.
You don’t get it, hype the 3080ti and actually buy the 3080 if everyone one wants latest and greatest you can sneak in and get what you actually want
And $2000 to 2500 for aib
Very disappointing, both from Linus and Nvidia.
@@Ren33469 I tend to disagree. Linus usually calls out bad products or business practices by any company. E.g. he rightfully dumped Nvidia for their mining cards announcement earlier this year or when they blacklisted harbor unboxed. This "review" here is really terrible though.
classic Linus, what can you say.
Ah.... the tone difference, compared with Gamers Nexus is almost amusing to contrast the 2 reviews :p
came here for this comment
He didn't know the price... but yeah it's Linus. He's the kind of guy to recommend 3090 to play minecraft
@@w04h its coming down to their viewpoints, one is 3080 vs 3080 ti, other is 3080 ti vs 3090. Just different sides from the same coin.
Both reviews are great depending on your needs. This is great vs the 3090, absolute trash vs the 3080. I don't think price would have changed Linus's views here
@@w04h Then they shouldn't have published this video knowing full well they were missing a big part of the puzzle.
Yea I agree, after seeing gamersnexus......I can't help but feel skeptical.....its almost like they are complete polar opposites!
How can I trust LTT ever again after this train wreck?
You can't, nor should you ever have. Linus has been an nvshill for a very long time.
Simple - you can’t. And you shouldn’t have before this because unbiased “reviews” are long gone.
Bruh you shouldn't watch a review for the trust value though. Reviews have 2 main things, data and opinions (interpretation of data). If the data is correct it should be verifiable with other reviewers, and the interpretation of it you should be able to see if they are consistent, have flaws or if it's illogical. You can even ignore their opinions fully since you can do the thinking for yourself if the data is provided.
Trust in this context is irrelevant and unnecessary. If they release a product however... I'd probably perceive it with a negative bias since they've lost touch of their target audience.
So over dramatic. Lmao
@@CozzyB Breh shutup
These went on sale for $2799 in Australia last night. I had an MSI 3080ti in my cart, allocated, ready to buy, but I couldn't justify the $800 premium over the 3080 with only a 7-10% performance increase. What you've said in the video is mostly correct about performance and stock availability for manufacture, but your recommendation of this card for the price increase vs performance is an absolute meme.
"no brainer" is the wording he used, I believe 😂
Honestly I think Linus just got hung up on the fact that it's basically a cheaper more efficient 3090 for 99% of use cases. Having said that, I agree. The only reason I bought one myself is because the FE in a local drop here was priced the same as basic-model 3080s cost when in stock in the stores here.
Recommending this over the 3080 is stupid but nvidia want to show that they could beat amd for almost the same price also they were targeting people who were thinking of buying a 3090 for gaming
GNSteve: Waste of money
Linus: It's a winner!
Hrmm, who to believe.
Steve
Yeah I also just watched both shortly after each other, that was weird.
Steve is WAY more reliable. Linus is pure show and is mostly disconnected from reality.
You need to ask who to believe?
gamers nexus all the way when it comes to anything regarding consumerism and buy recommendations
This sounds more like an Ad than anything else.
Because this guy is a sell out team green must have paid him he didn't even talk about the rtx 3080
@Kodenetic This is the same Linus who took Nvidia's money to show the 3090 playing at "8K" on select titles, with select settings, mostly with DLSS...chosen by Nvidia.
Literally the next day his 3090 review shows it can't play at 8K. Not that he admitted it, of course.
@@pootsplasencia4846 Never in the record of me watching LTT has something like this happened. If it's paid, he always discloses that, doing otherwise it's not only unethical but also illegal. Also even when paid, you can agree on touching some specific subjects but saying something deceiving that you don't agree with is illegal as well.
The review is a miss but LTT team has kept an excellent record during the years. Frankly, would I be in their skin, your opinion would seems really disrespectful to me.
@@nk4j272 all other you tubers said it isn't worth it because its a 10 percent increase in performance for 70 percent more money over the 3080 yet linus doesn't even mention the 3080 and says its a deal compare to the 3090 and that its everything he expected why not say the truth that its way over priced just like the rest and don't mention it
Linus went bat shit crazy over nvidia threats to hardware unboxed. Anyone who thinks he’s a sellout is delusional.
This is another Tom's Hardware take coming from Linus... "JUST BUY IT"
It just works
64 TIMES MORE DETAIL
@@randalldraco3822 like King Crimson.
@@redlinemx2879 if you think king crimson is confusing just wait until you get to D4C
This was obviously recorded well in advance, far too optimistic.
Yeah but unfortunately that doesn't explain away his explanation of the take which was even worse.
"when compared to the 3090, it's a winner" ... Okay, you forgot the part where you say, but when compared to the 3080, you are paying 70% more for less than 10% more performance, and so just like the 3090, it is a terrible value proposition, just slightly not as bad.
3090 actually has tons of VRAM for the price. Very good for professional work or doing compute.
This is shit by comparison.
Can't believe this video by Linus. Feels like he sold he soul.
if i didn't find out that nvidia was ltt's parent company i would be more annoyed than i am now
@@MannoMars what are you talking about?
@@abrahamko7044 I think he for got a /s and is referring to LTT's old April fools video.
I have to agree with GN... The ~10% higher performance for 70% higher MSRP is insane. So unless you can get one around the price of a 3080... Nuts
top end cards are always less performance per $ of cost. Stop comparing the performance per dollar with the lesser cards. this is a 3090 for gamers that don't need the 24gb of video memory which means paying less for almost the same gaming performance as the 3090
@@illiji915 but this will be an expensive paperweight in 2 years, when they release a 300$ card that's much better than this :\ unless u have the money to buy high-end on release every release cycle. And i mean you have that much disposable income on the regular, buying high end cards is a total and uttter waste of money, definitely not a "no-brainer".
I'm sorry, but that's just a foregone conclusion and adds absolutely no information whatsoever.
_Every_ high end product ever in the hardware market has been this way. Yes, it's true that the price-performance-ratio is terrible... but if "bang for your buck" is what you're interested in, you're looking at the wrong hardware tier anyway.
@@illiji915 more like a little more than a year. Rtx 4000 will probably come out Aug 2022
@@f-22raptor25 either way, the current market price for the 3080 isn't $700, it's $900+. So ya, if the Ti launched at the same time, maybe it's priced poorly but right now? I think it's pretty spot on
Feels a little blind that this was done before knowing the price.
It was intentional to generate them most clicks and make the most money. LTT are about generating revenue, they don't care about educating their audience. You watching a channel of product marketing and clickbait tiktok videos, not a tech channel.
Have to say I'm really liking the 3080 TI that I bought in July 2022, new, well below MSRP. Yes, I waited. Don't care that there will be something new soon that will almost certainly cost more. There's always something new coming out. My 3080 TI will probably be in my system for 5 years.
bought mine on prime day for $850 XD
@@ironeagle1462 bought my rog strix 3080 ti oc a week ago . It is kicking the butt of my previous 3090 FE in games .
@@MsNellyuan :O
@Neoand12 I got a 3070ti today instead, needed money for a new case and mobo, power supply or definitely would’ve got the 3080ti its good price rn
Same, not a 3080 ti I bought a rtx 3060 ti but I can see it being in my system till it can’t provide performance I’m not happy with it which just estimating with be mostly likely 3-4 years from now but it so far has me beyond happy.
GTX 1080ti = 1080 + 35%
RTX 3080ti = 3080 + 5%
1/7 of the increase in preformance for 6 times the increase in price
Exactly. The way eveyone behaved over this launch just makes me sad for the human race.
RTX 3080Ti = RTX 2080Ti + 33%
for same price
RTX 2080Ti = GTX 1080Ti + 30%
for 70% higher price
RX 6700XT = RX 5700XT + 28%
for 20% higher price
3080Ti is clearly a good improvement.
Its not like you can buy a 3080 msrp and partners now sell from 900 to 1k.
@@gurjindersingh3843 Based on generation jump, sure. But if you're upgrading from a 2080 ti, why do a 3080 tj when there is a 3080 that's $400 less and only a 7% difference in performance?
@@gurjindersingh3843 "Wow, someone just dropped 500 dollars in front of me! how silly! now, I will be able to get the 3080 Ti instead of the pesky 3080, and have 5 more fps on cs:go than with the normal 3080!"
Linus: 3080ti is a winner
Steve: waste of time and money
you forgot to include sand
linus is just a sell out
I go by hardware unboxed and gamers nexus at this point, much more reliable source of information and as far as I know they aren't taking bribes and kickbacks from nvidia unlike LLT
Amazing that you can put the 3080 and the TIE on screen and not compare the two and ask "is this worth another $500?"
He knows exactly what he's doing,this video proves that he's just a shill who will take money to mislead his audience. This clown makes a ridiculous amount of money as it is,but he wants more so he lies to his audience for a check from huge companies like Nividia.
@@gonzo9769 Pretty sure he mentioned it was because the specs are basically the same, about.... 3-4 times? not that hard to miss.
He should have mentioned more of the 3080, but he was going for a more direct comparison. I like how you call him a clown when hes probably more educated in these matters than 95% of the ppl in these comments
This card at MSRP only makes sense if you were already planing to waste your money on a scalped card AND you actually can find one at MSRP to buy.
Compared to the 3080 though a $500 price markup doesn’t justify the extra 10%-15% performance increase
its not 15% performance increase btw , its actualy lower more like 8% , its just a cash grab 1080ti was half the price of the 3080ti msrp , but now everyone thinks that 1200$ is a good price ? they are all brainwashed ...
Yeah but Linus rather stays being buddies with nvidia's pr department.
@@nunosanches3693 Dunno if they are brainwashed when the value of the dollar has literally tanked because we keep printing money like its out of style.
@@Perceivedshift so it tanked since 2018 when the 2080 ti was 1200? Not so much
@@danielredziniak2996 I mean, did you see how much the government was spending then? Even back then, government was printing more money than we budgeted and was already spending trillions. It's just getting even worse with MORE being printed, chip shortages and newer development procedures and dies that are expensive to produce anyhow. There's a bunch of features added on, new things that are free to all RTX cards like nVidia Studio, DLSS, and the software development costs will alsp drive price do they can, y'know, develop their drivers.
This review aged like milk. Should have waited for the MSRP price first.
Linus was the one kvetching about the incomplete prebriefings and now he steps on his own crank with this flip flop garbage defense of a rip off board. This is a blow to their cred.
It aged like milk on the dashboard of a car on a hot sunny day
Msrp is irrelevant if they aren’t in stock anywhere
I got the exact same impression from their recent showcase of the Asus laptop. They're praising it to high heaven but we see no performance data of any kind, making the video little more than an advertisement.
After I've watched a single video from Gamers Nexus years ago, I started watching GN videos instead but still keeping an eye for interesting LTT uploads. I always liked the honest-in-depth review/research videos from GN, unlike the "Bribed Quality Content" like this one.
Ah, yes. The RTX 3080 Ti. Note that 'Ti' here stands for 'Tiny Improvement'
Its Thai not Ti
10% uplift + 2gb of vram = 70% uplift in price above the 3080 non Ti. Yah' that makes sense sounds like a good deal. WTF Linus?
shot before msrp reveal. did you watch the video?
@@NathansAirsoftAnd3D No, he compared it the 3090 which is true it is a better deal, but he did not mention how it's $500(US) more than the 3080 for 10% uplift in performance. That's a 70% price hike for 10% performance.That is a shit deal. He frowned on the price no price to performance.
@WolfsBane It's called sarcasm. It's a shit deal.
@@NathansAirsoftAnd3D Making a review for the card before the price is revealed is fucking stupid. Linus and corp shat the bed on this review. The card is a horrible value.
"This video was shot before Nvidia revealed the msrp"
Yeah....oof.
1200 USD. What a bargain!
why do they film videos when they don't have all the info
@@bobnope457 add a zero and you get the price that you will actually pay lol (cries inside)
@@cynic256 The price itself does not change the performance of the card. That is really what the review should be about. It is up to the customer to decide if the price is worth it or not.
Even at $1000 this isn't worth it. The 6900xt is better and that card STILL isn't worth it. Nvidia are using this to literally make less 3080s.
A The Verge production.
Linus got wealth and he is loosing contact with reality. Good price ?
losing*
@@dete503 Thank You :)
"The Scalpocalypse isn't going to last forever", Linus says. Maybe not, but by the time this is over, the 4000 series will already be out. The 3080 Ti will never be available at MSRP at any time during the next year.
EVGA queue baby, our only hope.
even if it doesn't last forever its effects will. msrp is a joke and we are already seeing the consistent inflated prices
@@obscurumveri5962 I think I signed up for that queue in December. It's June and nothing...
Let's hope for crypto crash, then people start to panic sell Nvidia card :))
@@super_hero2 but it did?
HOW ARE YOU RECOMMENDING A 7% GPU INCREASE FOR A 70% PRICE INCREASE?
Don't get me wrong, the GPU was SUPPOSED to be a good deal. Then shortages happened :/
Linus is a bit braindead at this point
@@hueyrosayaga no it wasn’t
The 2080ti was 1200$ too
Nvidia had no plans to make this cheaper
This is a cash grab plain and simple
And it’s just now cause people don’t have the money to spend that people realize what scam the past 2 generations of nvidia gpus have been
Even $900 would be fine
But 1200 without any extra Vram is stupid
And don’t say “you get 2 more gb”
No you don’t
You get 12 less then you should have
This is the 3rd generation with the same Vram count
What happened to doubling the Vram every generation?
People need to wake up and realize that Nvidia isn’t worth buying
@@bornonthebattlefront4883 Then who do you buy? Can you, BornOnTheBattleFront, dissolve the monopoly? Because Nvidia is mandatory for some lines of work
@@bornonthebattlefront4883 It that was really true then the 3080 would have been priced much higher. As usual Nvidia is just ripping off their customers, simply because they can.
This a take one might have, when money is no longer an object.
[12 GB of VRAM] "should help keep the pricing down". Yeah, that went well.
Linus, this video wasn't worth watching at all. MSRP and retail pricing is THE metric to pay attention to, not tech specs. You shot yourself in the foot with this one. GamersNexus started with the price question and then told us not to waste our time!
Then again, it’s not like your average consumer is going to spend money on a 3080 ti regardless.
“Should bring prices in line with 6900XT”
Yeah, about that.....
so about 2/2.5k ish XD
And no availability due to chip shortage and scalpers, auto manufacturers, and half the world in demand.
What's the MSRP?
@@Qubk0 1200 USD
AMD cards are widely less available than Nvidia ones anyway
3080ti at MSRP is a "no brainer"? Bruh...
i never spent more than $250 on a gpu and i've been buying cards since 2004.
The video misses a tag “Included paid Promotion" 3080TI is being sold for 4k$ USD and you can buy 6900XT for 2k$ USD with that information do the comparison again.
Tell me where u find any card going for 4K usd I’m in the US and the highest cards Go for is a 3090 for 2000$
@@supersop1367 Do you realize that my comment is 1 month old? And at that time price for 3080TI was 4k$ USD in my country and 3090 went for 5k$ (tax inc.) 6900XT went for 2k$. Atm 6900XT still goes for 2k$, 3080TI 2.2k$ and 3090 goes for 3.5k$
Halving the memory of the 3090 allowing them to make twice the cards actually makes sense. Thanks for that perspective sir. I was actually all aboard the rage train about this card before hearing this. When will scalpocalypse finally be over? 2nd quarter 2022 at the least I would guess.
did he actually said at msrp it's a no brainer ? now $1200 for a computer part is no brainer
Yeah, and there was also a note at the bottom that said the video was shot before they knew the MSRP, which sounds a little like a lie to me but what do I know.
@@Greshgore probably a lie, he sold out to nvidia
@@DINO_X65 "he sold out to Nvidia" how has he sold out to Nvidia when he isn't even on good terms with Nvidia?
I fail to see how this is Nvidia being more receptive? They literally ignored what everyone wanted, which is more mid-range GPU stock, and went ahead and released a niche high-end card which most consumers wouldnt buy in the first place...
If memory availability was limiting their ability to make rtx 3090 this should in theory make it possible for nvidia to make more money. If everything they produce sells anyways they are always going to make more of the product that makes them the most money.
@@R3BootYourMind I dont see how thats relevant to my comment? Linus implied they were being more receptive to the community, they just arent.
These are still going to sell out fast. From a business stand point it makes sense.
@@R3BootYourMind "in theory" This is not a standard supply and demand model. The reason graphics cards are low on stock is the relative unavailability of GDDR6X and GPUs on new process nodes. Fabs take years to make, it's not like they can just pay for increased production. There's only so much supply, and Nvidia is putting it towards outrageously expensive cards they know consumers will be forced to buy if they want horsepower. Nvidia is making money off of the backs of scammed consumers, and the fact Linus is praising them for it is disgusting.
@@TheZenytram Who was expecting mid ranged cards with 3090 performance?
Got one the other day at MSRP and I love it. Have a EK water block coming for it next week. Cant wait.
Blows my 6-7 year old ASUS ROG Strix 1080 8gb OC edition out of the water in performance.
This channel is such a commercial crapfest. Remember Linus saying WAIT DONT BUY YET........ now he's saying GO AHEAD AND BUY AT $600 MORE .....
He dis this with so many HDR monitors when they first came out, now his parent company nvidia squeezed down
"The scalpocalypse isn't going to last forever..."
NARRATOR: "It did last forever."
I hope the narrator is Ron Howard
This implies that the narrator is beyond our perception of time, and they are an external observer to the universe we live in.
@@kanishkachakraborty ty Einstein
Correct: The pandemic shortages will be over soon.
... and the war between China and the US will begin.
2 more months
“When the scalper dust finally settles,” the top of the line cards will be the rtx4080ti and the amd 10,000 GPU
Probably, scapling won't end until at least end of this year. And until the prices come anywhere near MSPR, the 4000 series is just around the corner
@@DrakkarCalethiel 4000 series will come around 2022 ~ 2023
@@ballsofplastic Yeah, my guess is q4 22 to end Q1 23.
@@DrakkarCalethiel I'm assuming it'll come out 3/2022 ~ 11/2022 tbh
@@ballsofplastic Highly doubt that NV pushes the 4000 series cards out before Q4 22. But hey, who knows, maybe we get the new series pretty early.
At below MSRP , this card is a really good choice now . Pick up one of those ASUS Tuf OC or Strix OC , both perform extremely well and matches the 3090 in almost every aspect beside vram.
If you got the good Variant it is @ 12-15% ahead of the RTX 3080 .
still going scalper appocalypse. 2022 and still strong
Every other reviewer: "way overpriced for what it is."
Linus: "it's amazing!"
They live in a different world than the rest of us. :D
Shill.
@@jmashcomptech If you think he wants some great NVIDIA monopoly instead of a healthy competition from AMD you haven't watched enough of the videos he has made. that said however, i still think this review in particular is not well done, should have had proper $% stats against 3080 because this card is certainly controversial. tired of the same shill shit that these techtubers get, not all of them but lots do
@@njoshua3265 it is blatantly obvious linus was paid (coaxed?) to write an opinion piece.
@@jmashcomptech It's not, though. It seems that way but you can't say that with confidence because you really don't know. And like njoshua326 was saying if you consider all of his previous videos, this is out of character for Linus.
Saving this video to watch two or three years into the future when cards will be in stock
lmaooooo same bruh
*if
Let's hope it will
They won't because this gen will automagically disappear from the retailers once the 40 series drops, probably in 2022. History repeats itself...
ltt is more an entertainment channel not for serious buying advise, just watch gn for serious coverage
seconded
Who's here after he doubled down and made a fool of himself on the WAN show
Was hilarious to see his mental gymnastics
im interested - what is this abt?
He's doubling down is what pisses me off even more than this video. His argument defending himself was entirely nonsensical. He conflicted himself every sentence and made some of the most spurious arguments I've ever heard.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 y’all don’t even know what you’re mad about
@@peen2804 the poors are all big mad because they think $1200 is too expensive. Even though 3080s are going for $2K on ebay
It's so funny to see how different Linus and Steven from GN are aproaching the review. Linus is happy to get a basicly 3090 for less and Steven bashes the card for being only 10%ish better than the 3080 but costs ~$400 more. I love it.
Yeah it doesn't make any sense. Steve is obviously the gold standard when it comes to honest reviews and advice. Linus dropped the ball here. Bad.
Except that it doesn't cost $400 more. It costs more or less about the same... $3000
@@How23497 at MSRP the 3080Ti is 500$ more than the 3080 and 300$ less than the 3090, while compared to the 3090 its loosing half its RAM when only gaining 20% on the 3080.
Yeah its a money grab.
It isn't necessarly bad in the current climate. That depends, among others, on how NVIDIA handles it, whether it diverts more 3090s to it or more 3080s. And to be honest I don't at all trust Nvidias claims here, the fact that they're asking 1200$ for this card and have the balls to claim it's primarily to help gamers and not to increase their cut of the current market all but proves their motivation and likely strategy.
It is, however, any way you put it, desastrous for the market after the current situation.
Because the 3090 already saw Nvidia massively increase their profit span, without the 3090 having many of the traditional advantages of the Titans.
The 3080Ti costs Nvidia almost the same to make as the 3080, but the consumer costs are far closer to the 3090. And that's not just Scalper prices, but Nvidia MSRP. Which means it'll continue to be a thing after the current situation, they obviously don't aim to reduce pricing after the current situation stops.
If Nvidia were only trying to increase their cut in the current climate (which I'm actually somewhat okay with), they'd not increase their MSRP but they'd just hike the price they're selling the cards to their partners for.
@@9SMTM6 12 - 7 = 5
I honestly don’t know why Steve is bitching about it, theres literally no chance were going to buy any of those cards for Msrp. I got my hands on 2 3070’s and I had to buy them at 3x MSRP after spending 6 months trying to buy them because I had no choice. It’s stupid
Prediction: In the next few days, Linus releases a video acknowledging other channels' viewpoints, but stating he isn't sucking up to Nvidia either.
He will say "because we need to act quick, we have a big team, we didn't know msrp, things i said in video still true" etc. Reviewing any product without knowing price is bad journalism. I like ltt a lot but they become more Verge-like as they get bigger.
This is a drinking game I can get with.
They should delete this one and do one more as acknowledgement of their fck up
@@leolego2 that's not how it works. Both Nvidia and Ltt get their money by that nerds and we are just giving constructive feedback. We are ltt fans too, this is just a mistake.
@@leolego2 lol imagine defending a company like this. They’re not your friend. Put your parasocial relationship down and back away
4:35 WHY DID THAT PAUSE SYNC SO WELL WITH LINUS' VOICE
Finally got one of these (EVGA) from the Newegg shuffle. Got to say, in the current day *any* card is worth it at MSRP.
OK, except that the 3090 was terrible value in the first place and this having an MSRP that is >70% more than that of the 3080 for a
@@AndersHass Before the video was uploaded, he was very well aware what the price was, yet did not change his conclusion. Even for $1000 (which was what the expected price was), it's bad value.
@@leolego2 Remember the 1080 Ti ?
@@leolego2 it atleast gave you a decent performance uplift, this doesn't
how in the world can you recommend a card 10% better then the old one WITHOUT knowing the price !! in your mind price have that much importance to you ? , just wow.
“one of the 8 people playing on 8k”
~Linus 😂
I think he made a fair point, people are being too critical about him. Here' my hottake:
1. Just because something is named "Ti", it doesnt mean that it has to reflect the pricing that it should be in. Products naming scheme changes and so will the prices, and we know Nvidia nor AMD NOR Intel is the best at naming schemes.
2. This is essentially a 3090-lite, give or take like within a 3% margin in terms of specs sheet on paper. You're telling me that you can get a 3090 that is priced cheaper than a 3090? That is a heck of a deal, granted, if we are talking about MSRP, WHICH NOTHING is being sold at RIGHT NOW!
So if you can snatch this baby up AT MSRP, and you have the means to do so, then this is a great deal, but does that mean everyone needs to have one? HECK NO! This is not made for the "average" consumer, especially if you're a gamer!
Trust me, GPUs can do A LOT of things on top of just video editing/streaming or gaming, gaming is just the tip of the iceberg of what GPUs can do, not to even mention mining crypto.
If you're running low on VRAM on the lower end products, and you HAVE to get this so you can bump those texture settings up, then I have bad news for you mate, get angry at Nvidia, not the reviewers, it is Nvidia's fault for still sticking by such low amount of RAM capacity.
"The MSRP is going to be higher than they would have liked."
oh yeah, I'm sure Nvidia is really shedding tears at the decision they had to make. What a brave company charging 70% more for ~8% more performance!
more expensive means less sales.
@Jacob not "dumb" enough. People have been holding out for upgrades since the 10 series. People are trying to build new rigs.
@Jacob based on steam, usually less then 1% of gamers will ever be able to buy their high end cards! so stop crying.
@@Ufphen If you sell everything the second it hits a shelf/store front than no.
$12,000 KIA's are basically the cheapest vehicles you can buy new in the US, yet a $45,000 F150 outsells them.
Same logic
@@Ufphen You realize the demand for these is insane right? nvidia could sell them at double msrp and they would still sell out instantly. you sound silly
Should've waited until the MSRP was revealed for a more comprehensive and fair analysis IMO.
or at least made a "last minute edit" part adressing the glaring issue of the official asking price.
Like at the end something along the lines of 'well at 1200$ its just too expensive so dont buy it'
But on the other hand i dont know how complicated their production pipeline is so i give them a little slacc for this one
ruclips.net/video/GaY7UlP4NzE/видео.html.
MSRP is wholly irrelevant currently though. Any product launched in the next 18 months is most likely not going to carry MSRP price and by the time the prices level out it will have received RRP price drops or new options on the market. So the best thing you can do is compare based on other options available on today so the consumer can look at actual retail prices and see if the performance and feature set is worth that much coin compared to other options.
@@DJRaffa1000 It doesn’t cost that much. They just want the scalper money.
@Dr. Hibbs So you'd rather encourage scalping and have extra money go to people making bots than to the company actually making the product?
Man, we’re all scrambling for gpus but time flies so damn quickly we’ll be looking back this time next year and thinking back to “ahh I should’ve waited and got the 4000 series instead” haha
a very solid sales pitch. great job
Every other tech reviewer: This is dog water
Linus: I'm not a shill
Also Linus: This is a winner
Exactly! Why did I even watch this half way of this 💩💩
You sound like a 15 Y/O
If you think he wants some great NVIDIA monopoly instead of a healthy competition from AMD you haven't watched enough of the videos he has made. that said however, i still think this review in particular is not well done, should have had proper $% stats against 3080 because this card is certainly controversial. tired of the same shill shit that these techtubers get, not all of them but lots do
Yeah, paying 70% more for 10% better performance over the standard 3080 isn't right. They're straight up comparing the wrong GPUs. The "Ti" versions have always been viewed as upgraded versions, not something that's supposed to be compared to the next level up.
Aaaaaaand we've reached the point where LTT becoming so big has come to fruition. Calling a $1200 card a "good prospect" when it's only 7-13% better than the 3080... which is 70% cheaper.... I kinda hope that they go back to shilling vacuums.
at 0:24 they put "this video was shot before NVIDIA revealed the MSRP"
They probably ASSUMED it was going to be a good value, but then NVIDIA did the price reveal and dated the video before it ever came out
Didn't you see his reaction to the price? He expected it to release at $999, he clearly said that in the video. Also, why are you comparing it to 3080 and not 3090, which starts at $1500.
@@yogi30303 3090 is already dog water in terms of value. Framing this card as faster than the 3090 in games while being cheaper ignores that it's only 10% faster than a 3080 at 70% price increase.
Here's a tip, don't review a product if you don't know its price
@@yogi30303 Why make a video about it if he didn't know the price? It's a pretty important bullet point to fuck up. And why would it be compared to another waste of money for gamers instead of something with actual good value?
Congratulations, marketing speak has bamboozled you.
While your point is correct, 3080 is 40% cheaper than 3080 Ti while 3080 Ti is 70% more expensive than 3080.
It seems you've been setting high on your golden throne so long you forgot the job of the reviewer should be to look out for the average customer, Jay and Steve still seem to remember this.
A winner? :) The 3090 wasn't worth the money, except for those very specific cases where it was the only alternative, this card is the same except even less value for money and even less specific cases. This is one of those few Linus reviews that, does, not, make, sense..
Linus simply accepted the prices for what they are this generation and essentially said that compared to the 3090, the performance is the same but the card is cheaper. Also, it's not mentioned in the vid, but the 2080 Ti was also $1200.
Linus: "this card is Nvidia's apology"
Everyone else: "Linus needs to apologize for this crap"
Yea idk what tf this video is. Go watch gamers Nexus at least he doesn't lie to our faces for $
@@frozenskeptic345 yeah like wtf lmg
100%
@@frozenskeptic345 lol what extra money would he get for lying?
Kind of crappy to give a positive review before the price is even announced. Price vs product should be the focus of a review, not an insert linus emoji here after the price has been announced like it's a minor point.
True, this is a product for people who don't care about price, but we knew what to expect from the hardware. So if price doesn't matter, why does this review matter? The subtext seems to be "nvidia has you over a barrel, so you might as well try to enjoy it".
GN Steve had a radically different approach than Linus. I agree with Steve, this is a waste of money. I think it's crazy that LTT called it a "no-brainer", even at MSRP. It's marginally better than a 3080 and has half of the 3090's memory.
Is Ting the sponsor for this video or Nvidia? Cause it sounds like Nvidia...
Linus is a damn sell out quit watching him. He is a weak man who cares about nothing but keeping the people who make him money happy.
just remember that the 3080 FE MSRP is totally irrelevant now. retailers are selling higher end 3080s for over $1000 (including at the VAG program). wipe that $700 price tag from your mind.
@@joshjohnson8584 Nvidia didn’t tell him the MSRPs for the cards when this was shot.
Does it even matter to YOU? Are you the member of 2% club? Then why the fuck do you care if it costs $800 or $1200 or $2000?
10:20 the scalpocalypse 😂😂...😭😭😭
Nvidia : Hey Linus will send you a 3080ti if you tell everyone how great of an idea this is......
Linus : so we’re back with another review.
They cut him a check and TBH his fans should be furious over this video.Its pure shilling.
@@gonzo9769 Lol if he got paid by nvidia by law he would have to disclose this is an ad, he reviews all the top end pc stuff when it comes out this isn't unusual
I get that there's pressure to release reviews as soon as the embargo lifts, but it's flat out impossible to properly evaluate a product without considering the price. Editing in a frowny face at the last second does not count.
It's even worse lol, it indicates he doesn't care about the announced price enough to alter the video any more that.
@@omarcomming722 he's a sell out as well as an out of touch with reality millionaire, i don't think he cares about these things at all, just wants to make money
@@DINO_X65 Crazy how many people get labeled a sell out because they're successful. Nope can't be anything else at all, not scheduling, or having to run a multimillion dollar operation everyday. Nah just Definitely gotta be a sell out.
@@iTrinityPlays really, then why do all the other reviewers recommend that people steer clear of the card, and only this channel says to buy it if you can for msrp, after a certain point, he no longer cared about educating the viewer
@@iTrinityPlays lol yeah Linus isn't involved in the day-to-day operations of LMG and he isn't even their involved in filming other presenter's segments. If he's using his time for business it's some other business.
"no brainer at msrp" this card costs literally 1200$. Nearly twice as much as an rtx 3080 and 200$ more than the 6900xt. This is beyond scamming. I can find a 6900xt on the used market for 1300. I honestly expected a price of 950, just to flex on AMDs offering. Guess I'm delusional. Well fewer standard 3080s for us
In a market where supply even remotely met demand, it would. This is just a way to make $300 of extra profit.
Would I do the same in Nvidia's shoes? I like to think I wouldn't, but it makes a lot of business sense. It's going to get bought anyway, why not sell it with half the vram at a slight discount?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 No it doesn´t. Not from a market reputation point of view, especially if your big "leads" DLSS and RTX are allready copied (albeit less efficient) by the competition.
But hey, Nvidia gives a crap about reputation, just like they give a crap about their non-business customers.
It does in the short run, but not in the long run. Customer loyalty might suffer in the future. More so if AMD closes the tech gap in regards to DLSS and raytracing. They dont even have to fully catch up to be more attractive.
@@TheHalfBorg Nah, Jensen uses 50% of the money to expand his leather jacket collection.
you can almost afford a gaming laptop with a 3060 with that money lol
Had to come back to see how the 3080 Ti compares, managed to pick up a EVGA one for 1178 somehow from their store. So far it handles anything I throw at it.
This actually like watching a video of Linus licking the bare feet of Nvidia executives... :)
I was starting to think Linus was getting out of touch with most normal gamers and PC users, this video confirms my suspicion.
Yep. And it starts to feel irrelevant with all those review of all the cards you can't buy. I gave up waiting for my ASUS 3080 with EK water block, I ordered in November, there will probably be a 4080 by the time they could deliver.
@@leolego2 Linus is the CEO, and reviews everything his writers do. How do you not know this?
@@leolego2 The exact words are written by other writers but reviewed by Linus. However, the narrative and general consensus is directed by Linus himself
I'm with Gamers Nexus on this one.
Same
Same
I stand with Steve.
yup .. we are
I'm with Tech Jesus for this one
I just bought a pc via a "config your own pc" thing on a site and I don't know if they messed up the pricing but I got a tuf 3080 ti for about $1300. Considering how hard it is to get a 3080, I'm fairly happy about that. Most sites where I live has the regular 3080 listed at $1300...
Much shill, so value.
So it's 10% faster with 20% more VRAM for mere 71% price increase. I'm disappointed in you Linus.
Do you need him to hold your hand and tell you what to do with your life? He didn’t even know what the cards cost was when the video was filmed
@@dudeanderson2401 Other tech reviewers with 1-5 people working on their videos all posted their reviews in time with more benchmarks and details and they considered the price too how is Linus Media Group with 50 people can't do the same Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed and Bitwit (who made the video on his own btw) did it in time they all have more detail and they all incorparated the price in their reviews this is a big fuck up stop making excuses for LMG.
🤫 Everything just works, just buy it
@@dudeanderson2401 so what? Gamers nexus put out a 20 min video with more details AFTER knowing the price. Linus has a 100 times bigger team than GN
I agree, Gamer Nexis said it all... Don't bother.!
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This comment should be no1. 🤣😂
I've witnessed some bruh moments in my time, but none quite like this.
I will still play at 2k even if i own a 3080 ti D;, i still can not tell whats the deal with 4k because 2k is just amazing.
So … the mess that my 3090 has caused me (black screen crashes that I've tried every fix under the sun to get rid of) will be fixed by this? … will NVidia exchange my 3090 for the 3080ti - probably not. I'm just down almost £1.9k because NVidia cut corners designing a card. Smh.
first response on a verified comment? yes please!
also, that is NVIDIA for ya.
Wo
I read this comment in your voice. I love it.
It is funny that you mention that your 3090 has poor performance. My buddies 3090 also seems to have poor performance and is a complete dogshit overclocker.
"Hi, I'm Linus. Let me release a video saying this is better, faster, cheaper, without actually knowing that, because my work pipeline is so long I'd be last to the pack if I didn't." Quit being a clown. Take the extra hours to know data, then make the video, then release it. Goodness.
nah, he probably knew the price, he sold out to nvidia, guess this is what money does to a person, and his videos have been getting more clickbaity, too bad, his videos used to be good
Linus is too busy flushing what remains of his journalistic ethics down the toilet at nVIDIA HQ.
Steve at Gamers Nexus does way more in depth testing and they waited until they knew the price (as any reviewer with integrity would do) before reviewing it and STILL released it on time. Since they were still able to sneak in that clip about him reacting to the price, I don't see why he couldn't have waited like an hour or two to make the video.
But he makes more money doing it this way and the army of children that sub here are the real audience. LTT doesn't care about facts, they are here to sell you. Stop watching LTT, ffs.
I just managed to pick up a rog 3080ti.
Compared to my 3090 ftw ultra,running games games a 5900x,the 3080ti is only 1-4 fps lower than games I personally tested.
Pretty nice card for gaming
Ah i see Linus slowly becoming the H3H3 of the tech scene - "You don't even have to think about it, dude"
LTT: I love it!
GamersNexus: Don't buy it!
@@Ren33469 why isnt it a good buy anyways, I'm curious
@@hamzaghazi it's not worth it paying 500usd for 8% performance boost
@@hamzaghazi you pay almost double of the rtx 3080 for the ti which is not worth the small performance gap
What's the issue? It's a premium card like all other 80ti's and is priced accordingly. And the shortage bumps the prices even more. I think people just don't like nvidia cause they think amd runs a charity for gamers (they're a business with share holders, they want money)
@@disliker7182 They have already had their biggest revenue year ever in the history of the company. Shareholders are fine as they are. And is it not "priced accordingly with other TI's." The 2080Ti was a 30% performance increase over the 2080 for 70%. This MSRP is a 72% increase for an 8% gain (Only makes a difference at 4k anyways.)
10 Sereis > 30% = 40% Price increase
20 series > 15% = 70% Price increase.
30 series > 8% = 72% Price increase.
They simply want more money and it's a shameless move for them to make. It is bad value and not a good product, and should never be bought.
The 2080Ti was already known as being bad value, so a card that's even worse would, understandably, be even worse value.
EDIT: I'd just like to clarify that the shortage doesn't really affect NVIDIA negatively, only from a PR standpoint. From a business standpoint, it gives them more money than they actually should receive because of demand not being able to be met. So that point is kinda invalid also.
I love how they didnt even know the price when they were recording this, thats how much nvidia knew they were being scummy
RTY
@@hollyc5417 indeed, gamers nexus have called it a waste of money for how much it costs as well, but how do they know what the price is but linus doesnt, sus
@@hollyc5417 In what way does that show that he's a shill...? Everything he stated about the card's performance before the price is still true, and they used the "sad" reaction after they could insert the actual price. I don't get the point you're making.
@@friedengilbert8067 it's only about 10% more performance than a regular 3080 for 500 dollars more. If anyone's looking for value for money they'd buy the $699 3080. And if anyone is looking for the absolute best they should buy the 3090. Anyone who can buy a $1200 dollar card would just pay $1500 for the double VRAM of the 3090.
@@friedengilbert8067 the fps may improve but the fp$ do not.
Finally got one. Popped into Microcenter on a whim and it was just sitting there
Testing in a case it does get hot and sometimes over 80 partially due to room temps in my home as well though. The strix 1080 ti i had hit 84 all the time in demanding games in my old pc but this averages around mid 70's celsius wich aint too bad considering just how powerful it is.