@@timmychooi Lol but it is actually so hard to say what is better! I still think that my American music education was superior to the European one. Yes it was way more expensive, but I don't remember that Europe had graduate assistantships (which pretty much paid for my DMA)
This is SO great! I studied at Juilliard, RCM, and then in Paris briefly... you’re telling it like it is. I wish I had this a million years ago before I spent toooo much money
Great stuff! I support affordable education 100 %, and overall I prefer the European way of doing things, but I think that sometimes the entrepeneurship-aspect should be emphasized more here like it's done in America. You can have fun at school, but schools should also prepare students to the cold World out there.
Thank you guys so much for this video! I'm planning on studying either in the states or Europe next year, so this was really helpful. Hope to see more of this themed videos in future!
I once had an opportunity to go and study at queens college. (I am from Germany) After a year of working my butt off with teaching and saving up some cash I decided it was way too much to save up to and I didn't want to take a loan since I already had a degree in Germany. So yeah... in the American education system I would have had no chance to begin with! I also looked up funding programs, but there are just very few funding possibilities for foreigners who want to study in America and also what does it help if you in the best case get one time 1000.-$ funding and have to pay 15000.-$ per semester... plus living cost flights and so on. I am really sad I couldn't take that opportunity and I want everybody to know that it shouldn't be that way. I was basically invited by a professor, still couldn't go! European education system is great for the students. Still for teachers at the university it kind of sucks in Europe, unless to get to be a professor.
Woah it's so i interesting to hear about the differences between Europe and American music schools, funnily enough in Ireland it's actually a mixture of how American and how Swiss/ German schools work, it actually has the American semester length but the German festival length and the tuition isn't as expensive as America but not as cheap as Germany, thanks for the video it was really insightful :D
So so soooo accurate and incredibly helpful to students thinking about where they want to study! I wish you guys had done something like this about 12 years ago before I went to US for my Masters! (And I could add in an "age" aspect too) I'm British, went to Junior Royal College of Music ("pre-college"), Royal Academy of Music for undergrad, played professionally in London orchestras ... and then went back to school to Arizona State for MM. Thank you for doing this!
My strategy was to do everything you shouldn't do to get into an orchestra either playing or behind the scenes my point being to show them I know what they are looking for as far as standards. I didn't go to a music conservatory school but I did get two degrees back to back and I played saxophone in concert band and have transferable skills. So I've been learning clarinet and orchestra now. I also think that doing it this way has rounded me out more as a person. I think classical music is great but in my experience I relied on it too much socially and I've recently learned to be a more open person socially speaking. I met an adult dancer who was also a Julliard accepted musician on voice and that was very interesting combination.
Great video, thanks for this! I’m in high school thinking about going to music school for violin, but can’t decide if i want to go to a music school here in the US or music school in Europe, currently leaning towards Europe. Lots of good info in this video!
Helpful video! Please make a video on how to get into the music conservatoires or what skills are required for international students to get accepted in the music schools in Europe and USA. Thank you!
Please correct me if I am wrong. Sumina talks about the education expenses in Germany( maybe Austria as well) and not the entire Europe. For international students coming outside the EU, it is almost same as in US. For example to study in Switzerland or Netherlands. I am guessing that you haven't included United Kingdom in Europe. There it is again very expensive to study(without scholarships). Thank you!
Thanks for your insight. Yes, we were focusing on mainland Europe, but forgot to make the distinction of England. Thank you for notifying us about this!
Thank you! Sorry, my comment was a bit difficult to read. What I meant to say was, studying in countries like Switzerland and Netherlands is almost as costly as in the US. One of my friends mentioned that to study in Prague was expensive too. Countries like Finland and Sweden are again expensive! But scholarship exists everywhere. This system of education apparently exists only in Germany and Austria.
@@timaeby Thank you for the information! I didn't know about France, however I know that the French part of Belgium is relatively affordable(still more expensive than France I guess) than the other regions. It is quite difficult to compare one country against an entire continent of different countries.
I would say that the UK is like a cross between the two, though probably more like the US: 1. Cost: Tuition fees are £9250 a year for Home students (10250 USD), £19000-£27300 (21000-30280 USD) a year for international students, depending on the institution. Masters is slightly more expensive. Scholarships and bursaries are available. Cost of living depends on which conservatoire you go to. High cost of living for RAM, RCM, Guildhall and Trinity Laban as these are in London. Others have lower costs. 2. Length of time in school to graduate: Typically 4 years for BMus. This is interesting because in English and Welsh universities, it normally takes 3 years to get a Bachelors (it’s 4 years in Scotland though). Masters takes 1 or 2 years depending on intensity. Generally, people don’t want to be in education for too long, as it is expensive. 3. Student life and lifestyle: Typically, you live in halls of residence (owned by the school) in first year. This helps you meet new people and it is also easier as offers from universities and conservatoires are conditional, meaning that technically, your place is only confirmed in mid-late August (when you receive your exam results) before you start in September. This does not give you much time to find other accommodation. You have to find accommodation for second year onwards. Most people rent a place with friends. Institutions normally have a Students' Union, who organise events and societies. They also represent the student voice and can bring any school concerns to relevant people’s attention. 4. Expectations: Can’t say too much here as I’m writing this as a Junior student (or pre-college student in the US). I do know that courses have a large focus on your principal study but you have to complete modules in Musicianship (including Ear training, performing knowledge) and you have electives, which might be in Music History, Analysis, Electronic Music, Composition, Conducting, Keyboard Musicianship etc. Essay-writing depends on the institution: you normally have to do written work everywhere as far as I know but the quality required varies by institution. Professional studies is often a compulsory module. 5. The goals of coming out of school, starting your career: Fairly open-ended. Hopefully you’ve figured out what you would like to do by the end of your course. Typical jobs: freelance, teach, orchestra or go into an entirely different field. 6. School rankings and what it means: These change year on year in the UK. There are very few conservatoires offering music in the UK (only 8 that I can think of). It is a fairly level playing field once you have come out of a conservatoire. People generally choose which conservatoires to apply to based on which teachers they want to study with.
There's no such thing as a free lunch---or a free education. Someone has to pay for it. If the government pays for something, that means the taxpayers---your neighbors---are paying for your education.
I’d rather pay for the education of my country’s youth than pay for tax breaks of the top 1% and pay for egregious military spending so my country can enter wars with no purpose or goal…
@@metroidfoosion73 I'm in complete agreement with you! If we all felt and behaved that way, just imagine what a wonderfully different world this would be...
Wealthy Belgian here, I don't see how that's a bad thing, lol. I'm wealthy because my education was literally free and I was paid unemployment for 3 years. Making sure that the younger generation can enjoy the same benefits is the least I can do.
Let's film soon again, Timmy! Thanks for being such a good friend, always learn something new from you 🧠🤗
Can’t wait for our next topic. Guys, comment here for what you want to know about our lives as violinists!
I studied in Serbia, then Switzerland, then America. This is 100% accurate. Excellent video.
Good to know that we aren’t alone in this 😂
@@timmychooi Lol but it is actually so hard to say what is better! I still think that my American music education was superior to the European one. Yes it was way more expensive, but I don't remember that Europe had graduate assistantships (which pretty much paid for my DMA)
This is SO great! I studied at Juilliard, RCM, and then in Paris briefly... you’re telling it like it is. I wish I had this a million years ago before I spent toooo much money
Well, today we have the internet, it's a different world.
How would you describe the difference between Juilliard and RCM?
Great stuff! I support affordable education 100 %, and overall I prefer the European way of doing things, but I think that sometimes the entrepeneurship-aspect should be emphasized more here like it's done in America. You can have fun at school, but schools should also prepare students to the cold World out there.
Thank you guys so much for this video! I'm planning on studying either in the states or Europe next year, so this was really helpful. Hope to see more of this themed videos in future!
I once had an opportunity to go and study at queens college. (I am from Germany) After a year of working my butt off with teaching and saving up some cash I decided it was way too much to save up to and I didn't want to take a loan since I already had a degree in Germany. So yeah... in the American education system I would have had no chance to begin with! I also looked up funding programs, but there are just very few funding possibilities for foreigners who want to study in America and also what does it help if you in the best case get one time 1000.-$ funding and have to pay 15000.-$ per semester... plus living cost flights and so on. I am really sad I couldn't take that opportunity and I want everybody to know that it shouldn't be that way. I was basically invited by a professor, still couldn't go! European education system is great for the students. Still for teachers at the university it kind of sucks in Europe, unless to get to be a professor.
It's super competitive to try to get a job teaching at a music school in USA!
Woah it's so i interesting to hear about the differences between Europe and American music schools, funnily enough in Ireland it's actually a mixture of how American and how Swiss/ German schools work, it actually has the American semester length but the German festival length and the tuition isn't as expensive as America but not as cheap as Germany, thanks for the video it was really insightful :D
So so soooo accurate and incredibly helpful to students thinking about where they want to study! I wish you guys had done something like this about 12 years ago before I went to US for my Masters! (And I could add in an "age" aspect too) I'm British, went to Junior Royal College of Music ("pre-college"), Royal Academy of Music for undergrad, played professionally in London orchestras ... and then went back to school to Arizona State for MM. Thank you for doing this!
Wow, those are great credentials! Why Arizona State? A teacher there you liked? I got my MM in piano performance at ASU.
That kind of video are amazing!
It helps a lot who wish to study someday in some of those countries! Keep making these videos, please. Thanks a lot!!!
Hey, great to hear that these vidoes are helpful! More to come :)
Loved this video Timmy! So timely for me and helpful! Plus you guys have a cute dynamic together on screen😅....
:) recording videos with her is so fun!
My strategy was to do everything you shouldn't do to get into an orchestra either playing or behind the scenes my point being to show them I know what they are looking for as far as standards. I didn't go to a music conservatory school but I did get two degrees back to back and I played saxophone in concert band and have transferable skills. So I've been learning clarinet and orchestra now. I also think that doing it this way has rounded me out more as a person. I think classical music is great but in my experience I relied on it too much socially and I've recently learned to be a more open person socially speaking. I met an adult dancer who was also a Julliard accepted musician on voice and that was very interesting combination.
Thanks this is very helpful in deciding about my future study plans. I am auditioning at Yale but was also admitted at RCM.
Super helpful!! I'd love to know more about how you can go about choosing a good teacher for you in Europe? I'm so lost on this aspect
I wish I knew to study abroad for my college education. It's nice to see you guys collab.
Yea! We all need to RUclips our college experiences before going out!
Tim..what would you say is the main difference between Julliard in NYC and Curtis in Philadelphia?
Definitely more similarities than differences. I'll try to make a video highlighting those differences.
Thank you so much. I am adult who wish I attended music school... 👏 👏
great information! thank you. hope you two can records violin duets repertoire 🌈
So do I!!! 😍🎻
We will!
Great video, thanks for this! I’m in high school thinking about going to music school for violin, but can’t decide if i want to go to a music school here in the US or music school in Europe, currently leaning towards Europe. Lots of good info in this video!
I had the same expensive as Sumina with solfege, just that I was 17!
Helpful video! Please make a video on how to get into the music conservatoires or what skills are required for international students to get accepted in the music schools in Europe and USA. Thank you!
Love these videos!!! I learned some new things! 🧠
lol, I think I’m going to Europe 😂
Where?
Please correct me if I am wrong. Sumina talks about the education expenses in Germany( maybe Austria as well) and not the entire Europe. For international students coming outside the EU, it is almost same as in US. For example to study in Switzerland or Netherlands. I am guessing that you haven't included United Kingdom in Europe. There it is again very expensive to study(without scholarships).
Thank you!
Thanks for your insight. Yes, we were focusing on mainland Europe, but forgot to make the distinction of England. Thank you for notifying us about this!
Thank you! Sorry, my comment was a bit difficult to read. What I meant to say was, studying in countries like Switzerland and Netherlands is almost as costly as in the US. One of my friends mentioned that to study in Prague was expensive too. Countries like Finland and Sweden are again expensive! But scholarship exists everywhere. This system of education apparently exists only in Germany and Austria.
@@EarlJoseph-violinist It's also very inexpensive in France, around 400 to 600$ a year
@@timaeby Thank you for the information! I didn't know about France, however I know that the French part of Belgium is relatively affordable(still more expensive than France I guess) than the other regions. It is quite difficult to compare one country against an entire continent of different countries.
@@EarlJoseph-violinist I studied in Switzerland. It wasn't expensive at all (compared to Peabody later)
I watched this and I felt like practicing. I'm 65. I'm not going to a conservatory. Nevertheless I'm inspired by watching.
Wondering about dealing with cultural things especially Asian/ Muslim students to study/ live in western countries....🤓
I'll look into that and try to share that experience.
Excellent -- so useful, and fascinating.
Glad you think so!
I would say that the UK is like a cross between the two, though probably more like the US:
1. Cost: Tuition fees are £9250 a year for Home students (10250 USD), £19000-£27300 (21000-30280 USD) a year for international students, depending on the institution. Masters is slightly more expensive. Scholarships and bursaries are available. Cost of living depends on which conservatoire you go to. High cost of living for RAM, RCM, Guildhall and Trinity Laban as these are in London. Others have lower costs.
2. Length of time in school to graduate: Typically 4 years for BMus. This is interesting because in English and Welsh universities, it normally takes 3 years to get a Bachelors (it’s 4 years in Scotland though). Masters takes 1 or 2 years depending on intensity. Generally, people don’t want to be in education for too long, as it is expensive.
3. Student life and lifestyle: Typically, you live in halls of residence (owned by the school) in first year. This helps you meet new people and it is also easier as offers from universities and conservatoires are conditional, meaning that technically, your place is only confirmed in mid-late August (when you receive your exam results) before you start in September. This does not give you much time to find other accommodation. You have to find accommodation for second year onwards. Most people rent a place with friends. Institutions normally have a Students' Union, who organise events and societies. They also represent the student voice and can bring any school concerns to relevant people’s attention.
4. Expectations: Can’t say too much here as I’m writing this as a Junior student (or pre-college student in the US). I do know that courses have a large focus on your principal study but you have to complete modules in Musicianship (including Ear training, performing knowledge) and you have electives, which might be in Music History, Analysis, Electronic Music, Composition, Conducting, Keyboard Musicianship etc. Essay-writing depends on the institution: you normally have to do written work everywhere as far as I know but the quality required varies by institution. Professional studies is often a compulsory module.
5. The goals of coming out of school, starting your career: Fairly open-ended. Hopefully you’ve figured out what you would like to do by the end of your course. Typical jobs: freelance, teach, orchestra or go into an entirely different field.
6. School rankings and what it means: These change year on year in the UK. There are very few conservatoires offering music in the UK (only 8 that I can think of). It is a fairly level playing field once you have come out of a conservatoire. People generally choose which conservatoires to apply to based on which teachers they want to study with.
Alguien podría subtitularlo al español por favor? 😅
😂. “You can’t hang out with the great Timothy Chooi”. 😂
She's too humble
The funny part is music is spiritual and technical musicians never understand how espres ther feeling
There's no such thing as a free lunch---or a free education. Someone has to pay for it. If the government pays for something, that means the taxpayers---your neighbors---are paying for your education.
True
I’d rather pay for the education of my country’s youth than pay for tax breaks of the top 1% and pay for egregious military spending so my country can enter wars with no purpose or goal…
@@metroidfoosion73 I'm in complete agreement with you! If we all felt and behaved that way, just imagine what a wonderfully different world this would be...
@@metroidfoosion73 amen!
Wealthy Belgian here, I don't see how that's a bad thing, lol.
I'm wealthy because my education was literally free and I was paid unemployment for 3 years.
Making sure that the younger generation can enjoy the same benefits is the least I can do.
You didn’t talk about general ed classes🥲