I have a Barista Touch Impress ordered that will be here Wednesday. My biggest reasons for choosing this over a super automatic are ease of cleaning the milk system and real espresso.
Whenever I'm doing fairly in-depth research and comparing machines, it's always your videos, Tom, that are the most useful. I'd even go so far as to say that I think you're the best coffee tester on RUclips. There are some very good ones out there, but they don't do as many tests and comparisons between machines. So thank you for all your work!
@@tab.cristian bit late to the party but we have the Magnifica Evo for about 18months and had nothing but problems with the milk frother, for the last couple of months. We're here because we're looking at the Touch Impress.
I used to have a Sage Barista Pro machine but I struggled to achieve good results. I could not settle the grinder well (I even tried to change internal grinder settings). I was not able to pull out a good shot. The ratio and the timing was off the the coffee did not taste the way I wanted. I just recently bought Delinghi Magnifica (thanks to your recommendation) and I am super happy with the choice! It is a perfect machine for someone who has no skills like myself. I mostly use ‘my late’ option, as I prefer to have a bit more milk in my drink. It does a really good job and I finally can enjoy a tasty coffee! ❤ I would recommend Delonghi Magnifica over Sage (unless someone has some good barista skills).
I personally disagree. Yes you do need to learn how to make proper espresso and while it may take some time I think it’s worth it. Now I’m not so sure the sage is a good option, at least not one that has an incorporated grinder, but this one particularly that is shown in the video should be pretty good as it has a nicer grinder than the barista pro. Whenever I drink coffee from an automated machine I can’t seem to enjoy it much, even with the magnifica. It lacks the body and proper taste of the coffee that you put in it.
Great comparison! My old man recently bought the EVO, and it does a very decent job for a super automatic. He's also very fond of making a long black on it (haven't tried that particular one myself yet). I'd still prefer non-automatics, but I agree with you, I can certainly see how someone want a machine that simply delivers at the push of a button. No judgment from me there.
As always, Tom delivers. The kind of comparison I was looking for. Would be interesting too a comparison between this Touch Impress and one of Jura's models.
How will you replicate the taste of growing mold that you get with a Jura, with the Breville? Very curious how you'll make it a good apple to apple comparison 😀.
@@realitychecktime101 Simple, by brewing a cup of espresso and everything in between that both machine produces and tasting it. I bet with or without mold both can produce nice cups of coffees. Not a purist here.
@@AlbertojediI was being a bit cheeky, since Jura units are pretty known for mold growth, without sending them off for service very regularly, due to the lack of end user service of the brew group.
This was incredibly helpful and pretty much steered me away from superauto altogether. The only thing this video lacked was you singing a few lines from Take On Me.
This was a great video comparison. Another coffee content creator said they’re fav machine the the Breville Touch and I was interested in the De’Longhi Evo. The part about more intense coffee has me sold but the price I need to look for a sale.
Well, they're still much different machines, but the Dinamica Plus can do a great job for a SA in my opinion. Here's a video about it: ruclips.net/video/wL3dPH2HrUw/видео.html
@TomsCoffeeCorner I guess our dilemma is convenience vs. quality! Being parents to a toddler and baby, we appreciate the convenience of the SA but we would also love to get the most out of our beans and enjoy the process of making our own drinks on those rare slow mornings. Especially with the similar price points, we are torn!
Hmm, if you're going for the long haul, I'd take the Touch Impress. Your kiddies will grow up soon enough, and then hopefully you'll have a few more minutes to prepare your drinks. :)@@samanthakang5081
@TomsCoffeeCorner You are totally right. After discussing with my hubby, I think we will enjoy the Touch Impress more over time. Thanks for all the great information and even responding to the little guys like us!
Nice video, thanks a lot. However, for fairness, I would have preferred a Delonghi instead of the Barista touch, La specialista prestigio for instance. Thanks again for all the knowledge I gained from your videos.
Bit late to the party but we have the Magnifica Evo for about 18months and it's been a loyal servant. However, had nothing but problems with the milk frother, for the last couple of months. We're here because we're looking at the Touch Impress.
Excellent comparison. We've had the Barista Touch Impress for about a week now, replacing a Jura E8. For us the Breville is twice the machine at about half the price. Some points you didn't address: 1 - If you select Americano or a Tall Black, you can press the Brew and Hot Water icons in either order. The Breville will complete the operation for whichever button you pressed first, then immediately proceed to the other. So whether your machine says Americano (like ours) or Tall Black (like the one in the video), pressing the hot water icon first will make a Tall Black (hot water, then espress), whereas pressing the Espresso Brew icon first will produce an Americano (espresso, then hot water). 2 - One of THE best features of the Breville is cleaning the milk system. To make a milk drink on the Breville, whether auto or manually, just pour fresh milk into the pitcher, steam and froth, pour into the espresso cup, and finally dump and rinse the pitcher and you're done. You didn't address it, but I suspect DeLonghi Evo milk system has to be thoroughly and carefully cleaned after each session. 3 - Cleaning the brew group on the Breville is easy - it doesn't have one. There's just way less to go wrong.
I have the Breville Touch non Impress model. Great machine, I just haven’t been able to dial the expresso in where it’s not bitter after playing with it for about a month. Plus taming and leveling is a little work. So I just picked up an Evo to play with today. I haven’t made a cup yet since I got it home late, but I’ve watched a few videos. It has a cleaning but you hit for the milk frother, and it just dispenses hot water out of the wand since thats where it normally dispenses hot water. The milk pitcher can go back in fridge or you can wash it just like you can wash the Breville one. Really nothing to it.
I think a second video where you find the brew default brew ratio on the superauto, and tweak it to match the manual espresso machine, and then comparing the result would make an interesting video. Alternatively, you could try to dial the superauto as best as you can tweaking both ratio, dose and grind. Those settings are often hidden under unintuitive names such as strong, intense for dose, and ratio ofc is often hidden under something like "ristretto".
I would love to see you compare the gaggia Cardona Barista superautomatic system versus the same breville machine in this video. I have the gaggia and it is a 16 gram puck and does a good job with espresso..but I'm in the market for a semi and would like to see the difference between the two.
For years I had a Magnifica S, it was a lovely machine, built like a tank, it offered a good coffee. Now, with the manual espresso machine is an adventure in itself, all the variables and etc. makes the espresso way more fun and tastier.
I agree I’ve had the magnifica s for 11 years, at least 4 shots a day, zero problems but now I’m ready to upgrade my game and make the plunge in a real manual machine with separate grinder.
@@cyrano661 If you want a little advice, expend more money with the grinder rather than the machine it self. Almost every espresso machine will do a good job extracting the coffee, even the cheapest ones because it's a matter of temperature control using temperature surfing. I did the other way around and now I have lost money buying a cheap grinder that is not suitable for espresso, and seeing myself in the need to buy a decent grinder to do the job.
Hello, when you say you have now a manual expresso machine + a decent grinder and it's much better, do you talk about the Sage barista touch impress, or an other machine? Thank you
@@Ariel.Estole Hello, when you say you have now a manual expresso machine + a decent grinder and it's much better, do you talk about the Sage barista touch impress, or an other machine? Thank you
@@ced86210 no, it's an older model (BAR 32) but it is equivalent to a Stilosa or an EC260 (there is a review in the channel about it). For grinding I've been using a kingrinder K0.
Your videos are always interesting, the idea of this comparison is excellent. However (forgive the note) for the comparison to be at 'a par' you would have had to make coffee with a single basket with the Barista. Giorgio
I suppose you're right (I never even think about using single baskets, lol). But then I wouldn't show that the BTI has more potential due to the higher load capacity. Thanks for your feedback! Tom
Oh yes, unfortunately DeLonghi uses the same amount of coffee for the single cup as for the double cup. To make a double coffee you have to shoot two single shots!
I do have a question. Breville says to use a single basket for a single cup. I assume it believes that most people will appreciate that taste the most. if you use a single basket on this Breville, and then compare it to a single shot on a super automatic (such as the Magnifico or Gaggia or Phillips), why would coffee taste better different? Both are 15 bar machines, same amount of grounds, same amount of water? I assume because the super automatics might pour faster than the 25-30 seconds with the breville, using more pressure? Is that the difference? I know some super automatics like the Gaggia academia will even allow you to vary the water flow rate as well now. this would be an interesting video!
@@David-dt6qq Well, it's a common misconception that superautomatics extract at 15 bar. It's more like 3-4 bar. They have a different over pressure valve that routes the water off at an earlier pressure. Therefore, a Breville will extract at let's say 9 bar, and a superautomatic at 3x less pressure. I find there is a difference in those extractions. That being said, I haven't tried an Academia. That might be designed differently.
Absolutely agree with the conclusion. I'm personally just using manual espresso machine for real espresso experience especially morning time. But also have small Delonghi Nespresso which gives me quick and tasty milk drinks only. Previously I had superautomatic Delonghi as well but decided to go in current setup coz cheap Nespresso practically gives me same quality milk drinks. But no any superautomatic machine can make real espresso. Then it is up to your choice :) Thank you, Tom!
I've never been to their Cafe, but I have tried their Autostrada and M-Espresso, and the Glory Hallelujah. I will have to try the Cioccolato next. Cheers!
I run both a Barista Express and a 2017 Magnifica. And right enough the 2017 brew unit looks exactly like that in the Evo. I hope the Evo's electronics are better: I just tried to programme my old Maggie to produce a true ristretto, but telling it to stop the pour at ~8g still produced 20g of peely-wally fluid in the cup, and a repeat shot produced 25. If trains ran like this they'd be going through the buffers and across the street twice a week. Still, it's good enough for visitors and breakfast cappuccini. I wouldn't mind an Impressa, but with one exception the extra functionality isn't worth the price difference. I'll take the Impressa's steam wand over the BE's any day - as soon as you start heating the milk it gets caked and it's a bugger to clean.
I like your content. It seems the Delonghi Dinamica would have been a more fair comparison as it is similar in cost and as you have mentioned in a review of that machine it will do a 15 gram puck and operates at a higher pressure. How would you compare the Touch Impress with the Dinamica?
I've compared the Dinamica to the Breville Dual Boiler. Anyway, these Delonghi superautomatics are closing the gap to portafilter machines, if you use them right. That being said, the Touch Impress still does edge the Dinamica out in espresso and milk (but only with manual milk steaming). Cheers!
I think that crema in a pressurised basket comes from the coffee passing through that little hole under high pressure. I doubt that there is a special frothing mechanism inside because the crema (the foam) looks the same from every pressurised system. pale ant with big bubbles
That's right, it's somehow pressurized, but I wasn't sure of how exactly it works in a fully automatic machine like the Magnifica, because all you see is the shower screen. It can't be a basket per se, because then the puck wouldn't eject. At least that's what I'm thinking. Either way, it's pressurized somehow. Cheers!
Nice video! I've been trying to make latte art, but the milk never sticks on top of the coffee. What were the settings of the auto-steam on your Touch Impress?
Well, you can select cappuccino, and then abort it after it's made the milk. Or you can choose MyLatte and ground coffee without adding coffee, like mentioned on another video by a commenter, and then you'll also get steamed milk. 👍🏻
I've just checked prices of both. Can have almost 3 Evos to one touch. I think I'd extract 2 shots a bit shorter on the evo and spend the extra coin on coffee.
Loved this comparison. A quick feedback: you use "this" a lot instead of mentioning the names, which makes it tough for someone who is just listening to audio version to follow what "this" refers to.
What size espresso cup do you recommend for a double shot ? Any recommendations. I like the clear double walled glasses but do you prefer with or with out handle. Looking for a gift for my husband. We love your videos.
That doesn't sound right. Are you using room temperature mugs? Big thick mugs can suck the heat out of drinks. Otherwise, maybe your machine is defective.
Tom, I’ve watched a bunch of your videos in the last day and I can’t help but wonder if Breville simply pays the better affiliate rate or if they truly do beat every single other brand 🤔
They do pay a better affiliate rate, but honestly the conversion rate is almost 0%, lol. People seem to only want to buy from Amazon, and not from Breville directly.
Q/ If the Delonghi puck is ~10 grams, and the Breville’s ~16-18 grams as you said, then why make the shot volume lengths equal for the espresso shot (first experiment)? Wouldn’t the Delonghi’s taste obviously be less complex - as its 10 gram puck would be relatively diluted - compared to Breville’s 16-18 gram puck, if you use the same volume extraction?
You're right that the Magnifica will be watered down in comparison. I try to get the ratio lower on the superautomatics, but they often have a minimum amount that they pump, which pushes them over the 2:1 ratio. I think the minimum on this one is 40ml, if I remember right.
I found that these are all based on Keurig machines and modified to have basically a permanent "basket". So they are quick and make a reasonable version of that style of drink, same as a Keurig machine, (maybe slightly better) but they are not actual espresso machines. I think he is dead-on in his 2-3 bar estimation. To make good espresso, you need to punch them hard enough to make them give up their magic essence, but not actually crush them and send them to hospital :) But being tough and stubborn, 2-3 bar is just them ignoring you.
I have used both these types of machines extensively and agree with the review assessments. The periodic cleanup of the fully automatic is a pain, removing and cleaning the engine and cleaning out the spilled grounds inside it. Also the automatic needs more flushing of old coffee residuals if you do not use it daily. I also needed to set it on a double shot to get enough extraction. For showing off the milk drinks, you can get dual-walled borosilicate coffee cups that also do a good job of keeping the drink warm.
Thx! Even with the review I was a little off, but seeing you’ve tried it for a long run and having a long experience helps, if there’s any other advice I’d appreciate it
@@shaimaalamoudi4694 It is not that hard to make a coffee as good or better than you get in a typical coffee shop. If nothing else, you can use a higher quality, more expensive bean, roasted to your taste. Tom on this channel does a good no nonsense job of talking about coffee related subjects. There are websites out there that will encourage the viewers to perform increasingly complex tasks with expensive gadgets and machines to get an extra x% better coffee. Like gadgets to better your golf drive, or to improve the mileage of your car. My advice is to stick to the basics and use a decent consistent grinder.
I've had the Breville for about three months, and I love it. I still do a manual pour-over for my first cup of the day, but the little Breville is so fun to use and so fast in turning out a great americano, I got hooked on it right away. I never thought I could live with one of these machines, and didn't actually expect to keep the Touch Impress, but now I rely on it. I'll try your long black, but except for a very occasional oat milk latte, I only use the machine to pull espresso shots for americanos. I find that if I use my separate kettle for the hot water, I get precise control over temperature and I don't have to fill the reservoir very often. Also, I track the weight of extractions, so I can add the amount of hot water necessary to get the result I want in the cup, and the Breville is amazingly consistent, never varying by more than 2-3 grams. Very neat little machine. Thanks for the pro tips!
Awesome Lars, thanks for sharing your feedback! Yes, I'm a big fan of the long blacks to start the morning. But I love the milk steaming on it, especially in manual mode it gives excellent milk froth texture.
thanks for your video gave me a lot of idea but you forget to mention on prices. In my country the barista touch impress is triple more expensive compare to the delonghi magnifica evo
Vielen Dank. Interessant wäre ein Vergleich mit einer Jura Maschine aus dem selben Preissegment z.b. Jura E8. Generell wäre ein Test einer Jura Maschine sowieso interessant. Man behauptet Jura wäre der Maßstab unter den Vollautomaten. Kommt eine Jura näher an das Ergebnis einer Siebträger Maschine?
I’ve been watching your videos over the past two days and this is the one I’ve been waiting for someone to do. Still not sure if I want to replace my well used Dedica with a Delonghi like this, or go with the Touch Impress. Decisions…..decisions The intensity levels swayed me to the Impress. Thank you
I have bought Barista Touch Impress (BTI) few days ago, to replace my Delonghi Dedica. So far, I am kind of puzzled with dialing it in. BTI is repeatedly complaining with the too-short / too-fast extraction message. Once you change the grind size, BTI is asking you to "grind more" message repeatedly. I really miss the simplicity of Dedica, where I can program the duration of the extraction and just be done with it. Btw - have you used single or dual walled dual basket, in your video? Wondering, if I am ever becoming a barista, should return the machine, or practice some more 🙂
I currently have a Dedica and want the Touch Impress. The Delonghi would be more convenient for my wife though because she can’t work the Dedica. The issue you’re describing would keep things complicated for her. I’m not sure which one I want. But the intensity is probably going to sway me in the Impress’ direction.
It might just take some time to get it dialed in with your first beans. I never got the message, but I didn't use their dialing in wizard. I like to dial in myself. But anyway, I used the single walled non-pressurized baskets. It's a nice machine, but does take some getting used to, what with all its features. Cheers!
@@harold7239 It is not easy to replace Dedica, as I was used to the cca 250 ml coffee. But - I did it simple (and most probably the wrong) way - held the button and programmed in the time of extraction. My Lavaza coffee was nice bitter for me. Now trying the same coffee with BTI, it has more acidity. There definitely is a difference of over-axtraction against adding more hot water (Americano). I have few more days to decide, if I keep BTI. Still some experiments to do.
If you guys only drink milk drinks, buy an automatic coffee machine. I don't drink espresso myself but I also like filter coffee, for filter coffee you can buy anything with the ECBC certificate.
Honestly, I like to start and stop manually, which you can do by holding down for 3 seconds. I know it kind of defeats the purpose of the superautomaticness of the machine, but the water counter wheels are just not that accurate, regardless of machine cost, in my experience.
The issue is that the grinder is.. kind of meh, IMO. A few people I know who have these have a dedicated grinder and just use the tamping feature. And report much more consistent results. I really kind of wish they make an impress model without the grinder. My choice in the end was the dual boiler because quality is key to me and grinding out a specific grind is almost a ritual at this point. Check out his video on the dual boiler and see that with a good grinder with a scale in it, he's getting fantastically repeatable results.
@@1shawnv1 The issue is the feed mechanism and how the beans enter it, which results in the output being in clumps/bursts. While the automatic grinder and auto-dosing works well enough, it's also a very pricey machine to get all of that and still have a poor adjustment wheel and fiddly to clean design. Versus a good grinder that will last half a dozen machines. I went with what I did because I need to do two drinks for myself and my son every morning. But for one person? Even a little Gaggia Classic or Bambino Plus and a good grinder saves you a lot of money and gets better results. Note that the Baratza ESP is not my recommendation for a - step up to the 270 as timed dosing is important if you don't want to be weighing every shot like some chemist. :)
I have the Magnifica Plus and am not impressed with the machine. (I used to have the Breville, and it’s a better choice) . You may think a semi-automatic machine has more steps when operating than a fully automatic one. The Magnifica Plus milk container is like a Lego puzzle of five pieces that you need to disassemble when cleaning. For instance, if you make an XL large latte, it will consume the entire container of milk; if you make a medium latte, it will consume almost half, and you can store the milk in the fridge for 48 hours as I notice the milk starts getting a funny taste (2% milk filter) after that time. You will not turn on the dishwasher to wash one item, meaning you will spend time frequently cleaning this item manually. With the Breville, you wash the cup and wipe the wand. The Magnifica Plus dispenses water when turned on or off and cleans after milk, filling the bottom tray faster. If you don’t clean the bottom tray frequently, it will start to smell. (I keep a mug handy for this operation to avoid the extra cleaning step of the bottom tray) The Magnifica Plus has a coffee option that tries to emulate a drip coffee option, but no matter what setting you adjust, the coffee always comes out too watery or with an intense, burnt flavor. I have tried all the settings for this coffee option and have had no luck getting a good cup. Do not expect the espresso extraction to be as dense and flavorful as the higher-end machines; it is just decent. I don’t call it "Crema" because "coffee cream" typically doesn't contain actual cream; it’s just scummy foam (Coffee Crema is just a marketing word made up by Giovanni Gaggia). That said, it does produce good foam when using quality beans. The coffee temperature is suitable (it comes out hot), and the milk frother works well. I like the drink sizes, and if you want a bigger size, there is a prompt at the end of the pouring that allows you to add more. I am still deciding whether to keep this machine. It’s overkill for a single person to use and a hassle to maintain and operate just for a cup of coffee.
For those who likes to MAKE coffee, breville would fit best. For those who like just drink, it would be easy the Delonghi. Maybe an superautomatic machine fits well in some kind of medium office with different people. Thanks Tom! see you around!
unfair comparison . you should have got primadonna soul as it is the best in delonghi line and defiantly can create real crema with 19 bar and top grinder built in to give you fine ground coffe perfect for espresso and as good as espresso machine with bean adapt technology and Thermoblock technology which keeps the water at the exact temperature required to brew a perfect Espresso. It is very expensive though
I don't know. AFAIK, all Delonghi superautomatics use the same brew group, and ceramic grinder, leading to a similar result. I think the price difference is for the different design aesthetic and drink automations. Cheers!
The magnifica s is 15 bars, probably the same through out their models and yes the crema is fake just like when using a pressurized basket with a manual.
It's not really 15 bars. It would blast right through the coffee puck, lol. It's limited by a different kind of OPV than an espresso machine, which aims for 3-4 bars.
Delonghi at 3 bar?! WTF are you talking about? If you want to do a comparison, at least read the tec specs and put same amount of coffee in both machines?!
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Just discovered this channel. What great, unpretentious and down to earth coffee videos you make. Really informative and enjoyable. 👍
Thanks so much for your kind feedback!
I don’t know if I’ve seen a super auto put head to head with a semi auto. Great comparison video!
Some people choose convenience and size over taste but that's respectable. It was another great comparison video.
I have a Barista Touch Impress ordered that will be here Wednesday. My biggest reasons for choosing this over a super automatic are ease of cleaning the milk system and real espresso.
Whenever I'm doing fairly in-depth research and comparing machines, it's always your videos, Tom, that are the most useful. I'd even go so far as to say that I think you're the best coffee tester on RUclips. There are some very good ones out there, but they don't do as many tests and comparisons between machines. So thank you for all your work!
Oh yes, there's some really excellent channels out there. I just try to do the best I can with my resources. Thanks for watching!
I've had the Magnifica Evo for a couple of months now and absolutely love it. To have decent espresso at the touch of a button is a Godsend.
Did you had any problems with the machine ? I see reviews that has some problem with the milk throttle, even after few days
@tabcristian None whatsoever. I make on average 2-3 coffees per day with it and it hasn't missed a beat.
@@AP-gn9fd Delonghi here as well... had the Breville... it is now sitting the corner... the Delonghi is amazing!
@@tab.cristian bit late to the party but we have the Magnifica Evo for about 18months and had nothing but problems with the milk frother, for the last couple of months. We're here because we're looking at the Touch Impress.
Absolutely love the delonghi. So easy to use and perfect coffee
I used to have a Sage Barista Pro machine but I struggled to achieve good results. I could not settle the grinder well (I even tried to change internal grinder settings). I was not able to pull out a good shot. The ratio and the timing was off the the coffee did not taste the way I wanted.
I just recently bought Delinghi Magnifica (thanks to your recommendation) and I am super happy with the choice! It is a perfect machine for someone who has no skills like myself. I mostly use ‘my late’ option, as I prefer to have a bit more milk in my drink. It does a really good job and I finally can enjoy a tasty coffee! ❤
I would recommend Delonghi Magnifica over Sage (unless someone has some good barista skills).
I personally disagree. Yes you do need to learn how to make proper espresso and while it may take some time I think it’s worth it. Now I’m not so sure the sage is a good option, at least not one that has an incorporated grinder, but this one particularly that is shown in the video should be pretty good as it has a nicer grinder than the barista pro.
Whenever I drink coffee from an automated machine I can’t seem to enjoy it much, even with the magnifica. It lacks the body and proper taste of the coffee that you put in it.
Great comparison! My old man recently bought the EVO, and it does a very decent job for a super automatic. He's also very fond of making a long black on it (haven't tried that particular one myself yet).
I'd still prefer non-automatics, but I agree with you, I can certainly see how someone want a machine that simply delivers at the push of a button. No judgment from me there.
As always, Tom delivers. The kind of comparison I was looking for. Would be interesting too a comparison between this Touch Impress and one of Jura's models.
You're right! I will get a Jura one of these days. Cheers!
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How will you replicate the taste of growing mold that you get with a Jura, with the Breville? Very curious how you'll make it a good apple to apple comparison 😀.
@@realitychecktime101 Simple, by brewing a cup of espresso and everything in between that both machine produces and tasting it. I bet with or without mold both can produce nice cups of coffees. Not a purist here.
@@AlbertojediI was being a bit cheeky, since Jura units are pretty known for mold growth, without sending them off for service very regularly, due to the lack of end user service of the brew group.
Nice review. Like the manual options of the Barista Touch.
The review I've been waiting for! Thanks!
Great video and comparison. I'm trying to make the decision right now on which direction to go. Thanks!
Thanks!
Thanks for your support!
Wow.. I'm looking for a good machine for my new apartment, and this video was a huge help. Great job, thanks for making this!
This was incredibly helpful and pretty much steered me away from superauto altogether. The only thing this video lacked was you singing a few lines from Take On Me.
This was a great video comparison. Another coffee content creator said they’re fav machine the the Breville Touch and I was interested in the De’Longhi Evo. The part about more intense coffee has me sold but the price I need to look for a sale.
Hi Tom! What's your quick thought on the Barista Touch Impress vs Delonghi Dinamica Plus?
Well, they're still much different machines, but the Dinamica Plus can do a great job for a SA in my opinion. Here's a video about it: ruclips.net/video/wL3dPH2HrUw/видео.html
@TomsCoffeeCorner I guess our dilemma is convenience vs. quality! Being parents to a toddler and baby, we appreciate the convenience of the SA but we would also love to get the most out of our beans and enjoy the process of making our own drinks on those rare slow mornings. Especially with the similar price points, we are torn!
Hmm, if you're going for the long haul, I'd take the Touch Impress. Your kiddies will grow up soon enough, and then hopefully you'll have a few more minutes to prepare your drinks. :)@@samanthakang5081
@TomsCoffeeCorner You are totally right. After discussing with my hubby, I think we will enjoy the Touch Impress more over time. Thanks for all the great information and even responding to the little guys like us!
Great stuff my friend, keep it going!
Thanks a lot! Cheers!
Nice video, thanks a lot. However, for fairness, I would have preferred a Delonghi instead of the Barista touch, La specialista prestigio for instance. Thanks again for all the knowledge I gained from your videos.
Great comparison video! Love it!! Looking forward to see the next one!
Bit late to the party but we have the Magnifica Evo for about 18months and it's been a loyal servant. However, had nothing but problems with the milk frother, for the last couple of months. We're here because we're looking at the Touch Impress.
Tom thanks for bringing us new informative .👏👏👏👏
Delonghi lists 15 bar on the Magnifica Evo on the website specs?
Awesome review . Thank you
Excellent comparison. We've had the Barista Touch Impress for about a week now, replacing a Jura E8. For us the Breville is twice the machine at about half the price. Some points you didn't address:
1 - If you select Americano or a Tall Black, you can press the Brew and Hot Water icons in either order. The Breville will complete the operation for whichever button you pressed first, then immediately proceed to the other. So whether your machine says Americano (like ours) or Tall Black (like the one in the video), pressing the hot water icon first will make a Tall Black (hot water, then espress), whereas pressing the Espresso Brew icon first will produce an Americano (espresso, then hot water).
2 - One of THE best features of the Breville is cleaning the milk system. To make a milk drink on the Breville, whether auto or manually, just pour fresh milk into the pitcher, steam and froth, pour into the espresso cup, and finally dump and rinse the pitcher and you're done. You didn't address it, but I suspect DeLonghi Evo milk system has to be thoroughly and carefully cleaned after each session.
3 - Cleaning the brew group on the Breville is easy - it doesn't have one. There's just way less to go wrong.
I never know you could switch the pour order to make Americano or Long Black! Cheers mate!
They have so many nice features. :)
I have the Breville Touch non Impress model. Great machine, I just haven’t been able to dial the expresso in where it’s not bitter after playing with it for about a month.
Plus taming and leveling is a little work.
So I just picked up an Evo to play with today. I haven’t made a cup yet since I got it home late, but I’ve watched a few videos. It has a cleaning but you hit for the milk frother, and it just dispenses hot water out of the wand since thats where it normally dispenses hot water.
The milk pitcher can go back in fridge or you can wash it just like you can wash the Breville one. Really nothing to it.
No you don't need to clean it after each time. It cleans it for you
Hi, I am considering the Jura E8 vs the Barista touch. Do you still recommend the latter? Thanks
Hello Tom, great review I hope that De'longhi wont send the hit man after you! 😀 Greetings from California. Servus.
What about maintenance?
It would be nice to know what the grinder is set to on the Breville?
3 on the inside, 10-12 on the outside. Cheers!
Thanks
I think a second video where you find the brew default brew ratio on the superauto, and tweak it to match the manual espresso machine, and then comparing the result would make an interesting video. Alternatively, you could try to dial the superauto as best as you can tweaking both ratio, dose and grind. Those settings are often hidden under unintuitive names such as strong, intense for dose, and ratio ofc is often hidden under something like "ristretto".
I would love to see you compare the gaggia Cardona Barista superautomatic system versus the same breville machine in this video. I have the gaggia and it is a 16 gram puck and does a good job with espresso..but I'm in the market for a semi and would like to see the difference between the two.
For years I had a Magnifica S, it was a lovely machine, built like a tank, it offered a good coffee. Now, with the manual espresso machine is an adventure in itself, all the variables and etc. makes the espresso way more fun and tastier.
I agree I’ve had the magnifica s for 11 years, at least 4 shots a day, zero problems but now I’m ready to upgrade my game and make the plunge in a real manual machine with separate grinder.
@@cyrano661 If you want a little advice, expend more money with the grinder rather than the machine it self. Almost every espresso machine will do a good job extracting the coffee, even the cheapest ones because it's a matter of temperature control using temperature surfing.
I did the other way around and now I have lost money buying a cheap grinder that is not suitable for espresso, and seeing myself in the need to buy a decent grinder to do the job.
Hello, when you say you have now a manual expresso machine + a decent grinder and it's much better, do you talk about the Sage barista touch impress, or an other machine? Thank you
@@Ariel.Estole Hello, when you say you have now a manual expresso machine + a decent grinder and it's much better, do you talk about the Sage barista touch impress, or an other machine? Thank you
@@ced86210 no, it's an older model (BAR 32) but it is equivalent to a Stilosa or an EC260 (there is a review in the channel about it). For grinding I've been using a kingrinder K0.
Your videos are always interesting, the idea of this comparison is excellent. However (forgive the note) for the comparison to be at 'a par' you would have had to make coffee with a single basket with the Barista.
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I suppose you're right (I never even think about using single baskets, lol). But then I wouldn't show that the BTI has more potential due to the higher load capacity. Thanks for your feedback! Tom
Oh yes, unfortunately DeLonghi uses the same amount of coffee for the single cup as for the double cup. To make a double coffee you have to shoot two single shots!
I do have a question. Breville says to use a single basket for a single cup. I assume it believes that most people will appreciate that taste the most. if you use a single basket on this Breville, and then compare it to a single shot on a super automatic (such as the Magnifico or Gaggia or Phillips), why would coffee taste better different? Both are 15 bar machines, same amount of grounds, same amount of water? I assume because the super automatics might pour faster than the 25-30 seconds with the breville, using more pressure? Is that the difference? I know some super automatics like the Gaggia academia will even allow you to vary the water flow rate as well now. this would be an interesting video!
@@David-dt6qq Well, it's a common misconception that superautomatics extract at 15 bar. It's more like 3-4 bar. They have a different over pressure valve that routes the water off at an earlier pressure. Therefore, a Breville will extract at let's say 9 bar, and a superautomatic at 3x less pressure. I find there is a difference in those extractions. That being said, I haven't tried an Academia. That might be designed differently.
Thanks! Do you know why super automatics extract at less pressure? It seems like they could be designed to use the same pressure as the Breville.
Absolutely agree with the conclusion. I'm personally just using manual espresso machine for real espresso experience especially morning time. But also have small Delonghi Nespresso which gives me quick and tasty milk drinks only. Previously I had superautomatic Delonghi as well but decided to go in current setup coz cheap Nespresso practically gives me same quality milk drinks. But no any superautomatic machine can make real espresso. Then it is up to your choice :) Thank you, Tom!
eversys can produce real espresso as commercial espresso machine. We need it for home
Great comparison!
Nice video Tom, I like Martermühle espresso much. Did you try Espresso Cioccolato already, it’s my favorite.
Like to go to their cafe in Aßling too.
I've never been to their Cafe, but I have tried their Autostrada and M-Espresso, and the Glory Hallelujah. I will have to try the Cioccolato next. Cheers!
I run both a Barista Express and a 2017 Magnifica. And right enough the 2017 brew unit looks exactly like that in the Evo. I hope the Evo's electronics are better: I just tried to programme my old Maggie to produce a true ristretto, but telling it to stop the pour at ~8g still produced 20g of peely-wally fluid in the cup, and a repeat shot produced 25. If trains ran like this they'd be going through the buffers and across the street twice a week. Still, it's good enough for visitors and breakfast cappuccini.
I wouldn't mind an Impressa, but with one exception the extra functionality isn't worth the price difference. I'll take the Impressa's steam wand over the BE's any day - as soon as you start heating the milk it gets caked and it's a bugger to clean.
You're right, especially about the steam wand. It's super easy to wipe off the BTI's, as it's non burn. Cheers!
I juat bought the delonghi magnifica evo since it was on sale. Havent set it up yet, will definitely be better than keurig 😂
Heck yeah! Waaaay better than a Keurig, and much better for the environment, too!
Good morning Tom 😊
I am so happy with my Barista Touch Impress.
I like your content. It seems the Delonghi Dinamica would have been a more fair comparison as it is similar in cost and as you have mentioned in a review of that machine it will do a 15 gram puck and operates at a higher pressure. How would you compare the Touch Impress with the Dinamica?
I've compared the Dinamica to the Breville Dual Boiler. Anyway, these Delonghi superautomatics are closing the gap to portafilter machines, if you use them right. That being said, the Touch Impress still does edge the Dinamica out in espresso and milk (but only with manual milk steaming). Cheers!
On what grind setting was the Delonghi? I have the Delonghi Dinamica plus and at grind setting 3 it's definitely fine like espresso
Mine is set at 2. Cheers!
The Barartza encore grinders really does elevate the extraction
Nice comparison, but your comparing a, $1,500 machine with an $800 machine so I would hope the Breville would produce a better product.
Yest it will be better to compare it with delonghi eletta explore automatic. Same price point - more or less.
Don't forget, that you can adjust grinder on the Delonghi! I was always adjusting to get the best possible espresso out of Delonghi machine!
I just wonder how you can feel cherry taste, or other fruits or chocolate, in an expresso.
I think that crema in a pressurised basket comes from the coffee passing through that little hole under high pressure. I doubt that there is a special frothing mechanism inside because the crema (the foam) looks the same from every pressurised system. pale ant with big bubbles
That's right, it's somehow pressurized, but I wasn't sure of how exactly it works in a fully automatic machine like the Magnifica, because all you see is the shower screen. It can't be a basket per se, because then the puck wouldn't eject. At least that's what I'm thinking. Either way, it's pressurized somehow. Cheers!
Nice video! I've been trying to make latte art, but the milk never sticks on top of the coffee. What were the settings of the auto-steam on your Touch Impress?
Is there a way to make frothed milk only on the De’Longhi Evo?
Well, you can select cappuccino, and then abort it after it's made the milk. Or you can choose MyLatte and ground coffee without adding coffee, like mentioned on another video by a commenter, and then you'll also get steamed milk. 👍🏻
I've just checked prices of both. Can have almost 3 Evos to one touch. I think I'd extract 2 shots a bit shorter on the evo and spend the extra coin on coffee.
Hi Tom,
I am actually looking to get a new coffee machine.
Could you please help me out on which machine i should be getting?
Loved this comparison. A quick feedback: you use "this" a lot instead of mentioning the names, which makes it tough for someone who is just listening to audio version to follow what "this" refers to.
@@warr.iyer8944 thanks for the tip!
What size espresso cup do you recommend for a double shot ? Any recommendations. I like the clear double walled glasses but do you prefer with or with out handle. Looking for a gift for my husband. We love your videos.
Hi there! I like these by Delonghi: amzn.to/49Yqo5I
Otherwise, Kruve makes really nice ones.
thanks this is exactly the video i needed, think the breville seems like the better option for me
I agree! It makes a better coffee ☕️
Hi Tom. I have the DeLongi Dinamica plus. I have to nuke the coffee as it is not hot. I have it on the highest. Is the Breville you showed hotter?
That doesn't sound right. Are you using room temperature mugs? Big thick mugs can suck the heat out of drinks. Otherwise, maybe your machine is defective.
Tom, I’ve watched a bunch of your videos in the last day and I can’t help but wonder if Breville simply pays the better affiliate rate or if they truly do beat every single other brand 🤔
They do pay a better affiliate rate, but honestly the conversion rate is almost 0%, lol. People seem to only want to buy from Amazon, and not from Breville directly.
Q/ If the Delonghi puck is ~10 grams, and the Breville’s ~16-18 grams as you said, then why make the shot volume lengths equal for the espresso shot (first experiment)?
Wouldn’t the Delonghi’s taste obviously be less complex - as its 10 gram puck would be relatively diluted - compared to Breville’s 16-18 gram puck, if you use the same volume extraction?
You're right that the Magnifica will be watered down in comparison. I try to get the ratio lower on the superautomatics, but they often have a minimum amount that they pump, which pushes them over the 2:1 ratio. I think the minimum on this one is 40ml, if I remember right.
I found that these are all based on Keurig machines and modified to have basically a permanent "basket". So they are quick and make a reasonable version of that style of drink, same as a Keurig machine, (maybe slightly better) but they are not actual espresso machines. I think he is dead-on in his 2-3 bar estimation. To make good espresso, you need to punch them hard enough to make them give up their magic essence, but not actually crush them and send them to hospital :) But being tough and stubborn, 2-3 bar is just them ignoring you.
I have used both these types of machines extensively and agree with the review assessments.
The periodic cleanup of the fully automatic is a pain, removing and cleaning the engine and cleaning out the spilled grounds inside it. Also the automatic needs more flushing of old coffee residuals if you do not use it daily. I also needed to set it on a double shot to get enough extraction.
For showing off the milk drinks, you can get dual-walled borosilicate coffee cups that also do a good job of keeping the drink warm.
Thx! Even with the review I was a little off, but seeing you’ve tried it for a long run and having a long experience helps, if there’s any other advice I’d appreciate it
@@shaimaalamoudi4694 It is not that hard to make a coffee as good or better than you get in a typical coffee shop. If nothing else, you can use a higher quality, more expensive bean, roasted to your taste. Tom on this channel does a good no nonsense job of talking about coffee related subjects. There are websites out there that will encourage the viewers to perform increasingly complex tasks with expensive gadgets and machines to get an extra x% better coffee. Like gadgets to better your golf drive, or to improve the mileage of your car. My advice is to stick to the basics and use a decent consistent grinder.
I've had the Breville for about three months, and I love it. I still do a manual pour-over for my first cup of the day, but the little Breville is so fun to use and so fast in turning out a great americano, I got hooked on it right away. I never thought I could live with one of these machines, and didn't actually expect to keep the Touch Impress, but now I rely on it.
I'll try your long black, but except for a very occasional oat milk latte, I only use the machine to pull espresso shots for americanos. I find that if I use my separate kettle for the hot water, I get precise control over temperature and I don't have to fill the reservoir very often. Also, I track the weight of extractions, so I can add the amount of hot water necessary to get the result I want in the cup, and the Breville is amazingly consistent, never varying by more than 2-3 grams. Very neat little machine. Thanks for the pro tips!
Awesome Lars, thanks for sharing your feedback! Yes, I'm a big fan of the long blacks to start the morning. But I love the milk steaming on it, especially in manual mode it gives excellent milk froth texture.
The De’Longhi Magnifica Evo Automatic Espresso & Coffee Machine the peace from which the coffee comes out is plastic?
It comes out through silicon tubes. Cheers!
thanks for your video gave me a lot of idea but you forget to mention on prices. In my country the barista touch impress is triple more expensive compare to the delonghi magnifica evo
Good call!
Vielen Dank.
Interessant wäre ein Vergleich mit einer Jura Maschine aus dem selben Preissegment z.b. Jura E8.
Generell wäre ein Test einer Jura Maschine sowieso interessant. Man behauptet Jura wäre der Maßstab unter den Vollautomaten. Kommt eine Jura näher an das Ergebnis einer Siebträger Maschine?
Mir schmeckt der Kaffee aus der Jura deutlich weniger als von der italienischen Konkurrenz. In meinem Kreis bin ich nicht die einzige, der es so geht.
Hi. Is it any chance you could review DELONGHI Eletta Explore ECAM450.86.T ?
Maybe someday…it’s pretty expensive for what it is..
@@TomsCoffeeCorner oh. I was just planning to buy it. Do you reckon its not worth it???
I’ve been watching your videos over the past two days and this is the one I’ve been waiting for someone to do.
Still not sure if I want to replace my well used Dedica with a Delonghi like this, or go with the Touch Impress.
Decisions…..decisions
The intensity levels swayed me to the Impress.
Thank you
delonghi magnifica evo or autentica?
Thank you
You should compare it to Delonghi Elitta explore Not the Mavnifica Evo
You took half price delonghi to sage. Should have something like delonghi primadonna soul. Still nice review
I contend that the Primadonna will give the same results. It's essentially the same machine, with different looks.
Watching all those German videos, now realizing you have a coffee channel 😅
Lol, welcome aboard!
I have bought Barista Touch Impress (BTI) few days ago, to replace my Delonghi Dedica. So far, I am kind of puzzled with dialing it in. BTI is repeatedly complaining with the too-short / too-fast extraction message. Once you change the grind size, BTI is asking you to "grind more" message repeatedly. I really miss the simplicity of Dedica, where I can program the duration of the extraction and just be done with it. Btw - have you used single or dual walled dual basket, in your video? Wondering, if I am ever becoming a barista, should return the machine, or practice some more 🙂
I currently have a Dedica and want the Touch Impress. The Delonghi would be more convenient for my wife though because she can’t work the Dedica. The issue you’re describing would keep things complicated for her.
I’m not sure which one I want. But the intensity is probably going to sway me in the Impress’ direction.
It might just take some time to get it dialed in with your first beans. I never got the message, but I didn't use their dialing in wizard. I like to dial in myself. But anyway, I used the single walled non-pressurized baskets. It's a nice machine, but does take some getting used to, what with all its features. Cheers!
@@harold7239 It is not easy to replace Dedica, as I was used to the cca 250 ml coffee. But - I did it simple (and most probably the wrong) way - held the button and programmed in the time of extraction. My Lavaza coffee was nice bitter for me. Now trying the same coffee with BTI, it has more acidity. There definitely is a difference of over-axtraction against adding more hot water (Americano). I have few more days to decide, if I keep BTI. Still some experiments to do.
If you guys only drink milk drinks, buy an automatic coffee machine. I don't drink espresso myself but I also like filter coffee, for filter coffee you can buy anything with the ECBC certificate.
How much $$ for this?
Check the links in the video description. The Magnifica is currently on sale for a good price.
what’s a bar?
A unit of pressure. For reference, a bike tire has 3.5 bar. Espresso should be extracted at 8-9 bar.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks
Nice video; I've seen complaints online about inconsistent shot times with the Breville despite the dial in procedure. That would be annoying.
Honestly, I like to start and stop manually, which you can do by holding down for 3 seconds. I know it kind of defeats the purpose of the superautomaticness of the machine, but the water counter wheels are just not that accurate, regardless of machine cost, in my experience.
Interesting. Are you pleased with the grinder / tamping performance?
The issue is that the grinder is.. kind of meh, IMO. A few people I know who have these have a dedicated grinder and just use the tamping feature. And report much more consistent results. I really kind of wish they make an impress model without the grinder. My choice in the end was the dual boiler because quality is key to me and grinding out a specific grind is almost a ritual at this point. Check out his video on the dual boiler and see that with a good grinder with a scale in it, he's getting fantastically repeatable results.
@@plektosgamingthe new Baratza grinders in these machines is supposed to be really good, are you saying they’re not?
@@1shawnv1 The issue is the feed mechanism and how the beans enter it, which results in the output being in clumps/bursts. While the automatic grinder and auto-dosing works well enough, it's also a very pricey machine to get all of that and still have a poor adjustment wheel and fiddly to clean design. Versus a good grinder that will last half a dozen machines. I went with what I did because I need to do two drinks for myself and my son every morning. But for one person? Even a little Gaggia Classic or Bambino Plus and a good grinder saves you a lot of money and gets better results. Note that the Baratza ESP is not my recommendation for a - step up to the 270 as timed dosing is important if you don't want to be weighing every shot like some chemist. :)
Great content
Hi Tom. I have the D'longi dinamica plus. I find I have to nu,e the coffee as it is not very hot. Is the Breville hot?
The substitle is blocking view at the bottom ....i dont think it's usefull...
You can turn subtitles off. ;)
I have the Magnifica Plus and am not impressed with the machine. (I used to have the Breville, and it’s a better choice)
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You may think a semi-automatic machine has more steps when operating than a fully automatic one. The Magnifica Plus milk container is like a Lego puzzle of five pieces that you need to disassemble when cleaning. For instance, if you make an XL large latte, it will consume the entire container of milk; if you make a medium latte, it will consume almost half, and you can store the milk in the fridge for 48 hours as I notice the milk starts getting a funny taste (2% milk filter) after that time. You will not turn on the dishwasher to wash one item, meaning you will spend time frequently cleaning this item manually. With the Breville, you wash the cup and wipe the wand.
The Magnifica Plus dispenses water when turned on or off and cleans after milk, filling the bottom tray faster. If you don’t clean the bottom tray frequently, it will start to smell. (I keep a mug handy for this operation to avoid the extra cleaning step of the bottom tray)
The Magnifica Plus has a coffee option that tries to emulate a drip coffee option, but no matter what setting you adjust, the coffee always comes out too watery or with an intense, burnt flavor. I have tried all the settings for this coffee option and have had no luck getting a good cup.
Do not expect the espresso extraction to be as dense and flavorful as the higher-end machines; it is just decent. I don’t call it "Crema" because "coffee cream" typically doesn't contain actual cream; it’s just scummy foam (Coffee Crema is just a marketing word made up by Giovanni Gaggia). That said, it does produce good foam when using quality beans.
The coffee temperature is suitable (it comes out hot), and the milk frother works well. I like the drink sizes, and if you want a bigger size, there is a prompt at the end of the pouring that allows you to add more.
I am still deciding whether to keep this machine. It’s overkill for a single person to use and a hassle to maintain and operate just for a cup of coffee.
The most important question of all…does a tumblr fit? Lol next up: does a banana fit
It would be fun if the taste was blindfolded.
For those who likes to MAKE coffee, breville would fit best. For those who like just drink, it would be easy the Delonghi. Maybe an superautomatic machine fits well in some kind of medium office with different people.
Thanks Tom! see you around!
If one machine has 1/2 the size pucks, why would you make the same size drinks? Of course it’s gunna be weaker. Wev.
To show the difference between a PF machine and a SA.
The biggest difference is the Price!
The super automatic machines just don’t do it like the real espresso machines. Great video, thank you!
Roasted “this month”. “Nice and fresh”. Hmm…
Yes. You gotta wait 1-2 weeks off roast anyway for the beans to degas. Cheers!
Those are some looooong blacks haha!
The Breville is TWICE as expensive as the Delonghi.
unfair comparison . you should have got primadonna soul as it is the best in delonghi line and defiantly can create real crema with 19 bar and top grinder built in to give you fine ground coffe perfect for espresso and as good as espresso machine with bean adapt technology and Thermoblock technology which keeps the water at the exact temperature required to brew a perfect Espresso. It is very expensive though
I don't know. AFAIK, all Delonghi superautomatics use the same brew group, and ceramic grinder, leading to a similar result. I think the price difference is for the different design aesthetic and drink automations. Cheers!
That's $1200 vs $600
please add Turkish subtitles
I did. Cheers!
Bad comparison of course the intensity is stronger and more flavour because of the grams per coffee ☕️
Glad it didnt buy a super auto
The magnifica s is 15 bars, probably the same through out their models and yes the crema is fake just like when using a pressurized basket with a manual.
It's not really 15 bars. It would blast right through the coffee puck, lol. It's limited by a different kind of OPV than an espresso machine, which aims for 3-4 bars.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I’m just stating what they say on their official website. Maybe your right though
Breville all day. Delonghi is terrible
Delonghi at 3 bar?! WTF are you talking about? If you want to do a comparison, at least read the tec specs and put same amount of coffee in both machines?!
Haha, don't be silly. The Evo doesn't grind fine enough, or allow a large enough puck to provide resistance up to the claimed 15 bar. Cheers!
So many things wrong with this video lets start bu not measuring you water for thr long black and much more, good effort keep trying.
Thanks for your feedback.
breville is crap