Fiesta ST Stage 2 Showdown | Map Reviews
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I drove the following car with these stage 2 maps.
Pumaspeed 2r
Peron 2 Pro
Revo II
Nexus 2N
Collins Performance CP2E
Superchips Bluefin stage 2
I also added into the mix TRS stage 2 and Mountune MR230 for advertised price, power and torque figures.
It's taken some time but I have managed to drive 6 of the main players when it comes to remapping your Mk7 Fiesta ST! Hopefully it helps to finally answer one of the most asked questions online within the Fiesta community "Lookin' to go stage 2, who's the best?"
Every cars map delivers its power and torque differently and you definitely feel that on the bum dyno. I had recorded driving 5 of the 6 map, my hard drive died and I lost the footage but the experience and info gained was too good not to share.
Bare with me as there is a lot of info to get through.
None of the companies mentioned in this video knew about or contributed to the making of this video other than passing over some of the power and torque figures via social media.
I hope you found the info helpful and helps guide towards a map that may suit your driving style and what you want to use the car for. My best advice is to drive as many as you can to get a feel for what you want but if that isn't possible, I hope my descriptions can help.
Prices and info were gathered by myself online from each companies website or by asking for some of the answers on a companies Social Media page. Prices and figures were correct as of early 2021 when I completed the research.
A huge thanks to guys who let me drive their cars, most who made a specific trip just to meet up and let me drive their pride and joy. Thanks for trusting me with the cars.
As always the rad AF music is written and produced by Avrilcadabra:
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Nice video. Think you have it spot on with our software, we design it on the road and track to give that balance of performance, longevity and driveability. The quoted figures on our website do have a range, the main reason for this is that we offer 3 performances modes for 95, 97 and 99ron fuel, so along with climate conditions, dyno and hardware upgrades, you will always see varying peak dyno numbers. But glad you liked the feel and drive of our software 👍
Thank you for watching and commenting. It's been great to hear from some of the companies featured in the video and all have said my descriptions sound accurate 👍. Great job on the software. Anyone would be very happy with their choice. Is your software specifically tweaked for different ron fuel and conditions worldwide? Our "best" available fuel is BP Ultimate, Shell V-Power and Caltex Vortex at 98 Ron.
@@fordyford With Revo software it has 4 modes installed within the ECU, then with the Revo SPS you can put the car into a specific mode within seconds with the OBD port. On the Mk7 ST, you have Stock Performance, 2 Performance Modes (Specific for different fuel quality) and then Antitheft, which disables throttle response.
Could the SPS switch be purchased at a later date or does it need to matched with the car when a car is remapped?
@@fordyford Can be bought at any time. When the Revo software is installed the modes will be on the ECU and the Revo Dealer will put the car in the right mode for you. You can then get the SPS later which will allow you to switch the modes yourself.
Enjoyed that Liam. Very honest and un biased opinion. Looking forward to seeing what you choose.
Thanks Steve. It's been fun trying before buying.
@@fordyford great video breakdown on the difference you was able to feel in the maps. You kept the video interesting and informative without being boring so good job again 👏🏻 👍🏻
Do you choose what map you're going to get yet ? I get the feeling maybe Revo or Collins?
@@Termz1988 Thank you. I was worries 40+ minutes would lose a lot of people. I chose Revo 👌.
Fantastic Video, glad to see just an honest opinion of what and how you feel about tuners and the cars youve driven. Keep up the good work dude :)
Thank you. There are already enough biased videos and comments around, that's what made me want to make this one. Everyone says the one they have is the best without any real back up or comparison most of the time...... but that's only for them.
May the Ford be with You
Party on.
Awesome review Laim, very interesting that your top three doesn't have the two most comment tunes in Australia. It's such as small turbo that pretty much all Stage 2 maps run it flat out so the fine tuning gains come from other parameters. This is why I believe they all drive differently. Great Job Mate.... Look forward to seeing which one you go with.....
Thanks Patty. Having driven them, Peron and PS are really good and lots in down low. Making each map feel so different for essentially the same hardware I suppose is how you separate yourself from the competition. If they all felt the same everyone would buy the cheapest.
Great review of differant maps....very informative indeed,, keep it up dude
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Thanks for watching. It's great to have heard from some of the companies I speak about in the video who have liked and agree with what I have said and how I have described how their software felt to drive.
It was also interesting to learn of other companies who offer their own remaps. There are so many options out there for these cars.
I do encourage that you still do your own research and choose what maps best suits your needs.
Great video - I eventually went for the Collins CP2e remap (with the ITG induction kit and turbo actuator) with the extra pops and bangs....... and loving it. The rev limit has been increased to 7200rpm but at 7000rpm your pretty much puffed out. The power delivery is noticeable, especially in 2nd gear and when shifting the power comes in straight away (no shift lag). The pops and bangs come it at 4000rpm+ which again is nice as its not an alarm clock at 6 in the morning but gives a great sound coming down from above 4000rpm (it would have been better if it came in at 3500rpm but this is not under their control). Martin@Collins is very knowledgably and some tips he gave were; 1. run 5w30 oil (some sites still show 5w20 as needed) and 2nd (my favourite) being don't be scared to take it to the rev limiter - the engine is a beast so you can rag it all day long without worry (assuming you have coolant, oil n stuff lol)
Thanks for watching. The CP2E is definitely developed for drivers and not boy racers. 5W30 is specified in our handbooks here in Australia so I'm not sure where the 5W20 comes into it really.
The pops and bangs were a bit much for me. I have a seperate video where my mate took me out in his car and he drove with the CP2, then changed to CP2E and then added the pops and bangs. His exhaust was a bitnloud and the bangs were really loud.
@Fordy Ford Thanks mate. In the UK my handbook say 5w20 preferred, but 5w30 can be used. I believe this was revised afterwards to 5w30 as standard. I do like the pops n bangs, but rarely get to show it off as getting above 4000rpm in built up areas with people is hard as you will be doing around 40mph in second, which isnt safe or sensible. Stay safe buddy
I have CP2E as well with all the required hardware on the Colin's website. It definitely keeps pulling all the way but sometimes I think your better changing gear much earlier rather than revving it out. Thought about pops and bangs as it's only 50 pounds, but I'm in my 40s and think it would be too much.
Kenny 1979 Good suggestion actually mate.... and dw about age... when I took my car to Collins, the other 3 chaps with full blown mods were late 30's also 🤣 enjoy what makes you happy my friend
@@meddylad How do you find the pops and bangs? I have the iflash so can flash myself if I get it. Are you running it with a Mongoose exhaust?
I went from MP215 to CP2, huge difference, should have gone CP2E but didn't have the upgraded actuator, interesting video.
Speak with Collins. I don't think the actuator is absolutely necessary. Thanks for watching. Glad you found it interesting.
I'm on 4 years with a CP2 map on a stock car + ST200 airbox. The plan was to put the hardware but never did (time and money).
Daily driven + 3 to 4 trackdays by year, did some chassis mods (springs, rear antiroll, gearbox mount).
I'll follow and check your channel. 😎
Thanks for watching and following.
Having been a passenger in the same car with CP2, then we uploaded the CP2E (later drove the car with CP2E), I can confirm there is a notable difference in how the car pulls and the extra response you get.
I drive a laird performance nexus stage 1N - on dyno it put out 241bhp beating some stage 2 competitor maps at the dyno day i went too, about to go stage 2N absolutely cannot wait. great review just needed some car footage.
I had in car footage but my hard drive died and it was all lost 😔.
I don't know how much of a jump stage 2 will be from a strong stage 1 map but either way 2N is a good drive.
@Wenda B_ST did you have any mods with that Nexus Stage 1N? or was it just the tune?
@@cheny8923 yea milltek non res cat back and SD v2 induction kit
@@wendab_st9471 awesome ill also have the Milltek Catback Non Res Race but my intake is the Mountune one
This was on of the best review on company of power and price but like u said in the video it all depends what hard wear u have on the car and what fuel u using and for me I had cp Collins and didn’t like it I had x47 on the car and all the mods and only made 296hp on a stage 4 map and when I got my new car I took the x47 off and put it on new car and brough same hard wear on my car I went to pumaspeed and made 336hp I went in my friend car revo and I didn’t like it myself it was far to toquey for me never been in peron or nexus car so can’t say anything about that but I like pumaspeed the way it pulls and not as so toquey as revo but thank u very much for doing this video it gives people idears what people looking for
Awesome. Really glad you liked the video. It's all relative to personal preference and what is important to the individual. The idea was to drive as many as I could, best describe what I felt and hope that helped people. Helpful comments like yours that express opinion with backed up experience will add value to peoples knowledge looking for info 👍.
@@fordyford yes on my old st b4 I stalled cp Collins I had mountune 215 packed on my car and when I put it on dyno it only made 199hp I know every dyno is different but the one I went on it showed 199hp and the company I went to said they never ever seen a mountune made the credit figure on there dyno
Excellent video
Thanks Callum.
Thank you very much. Very usefull information.
No worries. I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Great video Liam, such a shame you didn't get an opportunity to drive a TRS Stage 2 car, I'd have liked to hear your opinion on how it compares to the others.
Really looking forward to see which one you choose, I can't call it at the moment...👍
Cheers Pete. Yeah ideally I would have liked to share experience driving more but i think 6 of the main brands was a great effort from the "Sydney" guys. I was very lucky to get that many.
@@fordyford I agree, it was a really good spread of maps from the the main tuners, certainly UK/Aus wise (I don't know much about the US Fiesta ST tuning scene).
Once again, a great informative video, thanks for going to the effort of putting it together....👍
would of been great to have some in car footage and reactions tbh. would of looked incredible having all the cars rolling in one shot also. good review but i think you should have filmed this completely differently, there's no excitement and interest that you provide with the video content. having the owners give their thoughts would have been great also, you could have done a big comparo review with each owner trying the other cars.
I did. Hard drive crashed. Lost footage.
Every owner thinks theirs is the best, that's why they picked it. I decided to refilm it this way because the info is still relevant.
@@fordyford oww god what a nightmare! i can imagine the effort you went into for it also ahhh!
@@fordyford having the owners chat and debate would of been good content though! good banter
Could be a different video. The effort from the owners to meet up was very much appreciated.
Hey Liam,
I'm interested in Laird performace stage 2 map (Nexus), because they offer a handset which offers you to change fuel map instantly, same as Revo SPS switch, but in my case is Laird performance more than 100€ cheaper..
Can you explain me again how the map feels, you said that it's enormous amount of torque hit all at once, but isn't like that with Peron and Pumaspeed map? i dont understand what you meant by that, you said it feels most different of all of them, and that there is instant punch of torque. But as i understand is that the same as Pumaspeed and Peron maps. How does it differ from them? Does the torque at nexus hit sooner or later than in Peron/Pumaspeed map (rpm's wise). And how is the top end power? how does the nexus compare with others on the higher rpm's?
For me, i'm not chasing the most horse powers, but i would like to have them. Durability is most important for me, as the car is my daily driver. I would go for CP2E, if they had options to change fuels, because this is very important for me..
Thank you for your time, you've made very good and informative video.
Hi Dominik, since making this video Laird have started making their own remaps. I think at the time they were basically made by TRS and tweaked for/by Laird.... I think.
Although the info is out of date I'll try to explain.
If you have been in a bunch of different turbo cars you will understand.
Peron and Pumaspeed you felt the power down low and felt lit it was to do eith early boost. The feeling you get when it comes on boost, you got that feeling down low. Probably too low to be safe regarding lspi issues. Having said that they still pulled until high rpm.
The Laird performance map at the time felt more torquey, almost like a V8 would. It didn't have that effect of boost hitting strong early but it still felt like it was pulling as a much larger capacity engine would.
Obviously peak hp and torque were probably very close on all 3 as its essentially the same hardware with the same limits.
I feel like the only real way tuners can sell something "different" for a stage 2 map eith the same hardware is to makd it feel different from the rest. Some do it more safely than others. I'd say Revo and Collins were the "most safe" of the lot without really losing out to the others peak power wise.
Stratified tuning had a great article about downpipes on these cars. These stock turbos, being so small, are incredibly restrictive, and the stock cat is not a major concern like it is with bigger turbo cars like the gti. Still torn on the decision, as a nice catted DP are super pricey on these cars for some reason
Yes the turbine housings are tiny on these cars and limit power before fuelling etc.
The stock cat must become restrictive at some point as it is quite big but has a very sharp and narrow bend right off the turbo and then an even smaller restriction after the cat. I assume to help the cat warm up quickly for emmissions.
I went with a Whoosh Motorsports catted downpipe as it was about 2/3 the price of the next cheapest here in Australia.
All of the UK companies that offer tunes (U.S tunes and OTS maps don't work on the Euro/Australian cars) specify you need an upgraded downpipe with sports cat/decat to run their maps.
Thanks for watching and I will have a search for the article.
Great video! There have been huge debates about the actual effects of these downpipes on stock turbos, and the dyno results don't seem to show much gains. Just wanted to mention that, it's not the end of the world if you can't afford a high flow dp or feel like you need to live with a burbly stinker, stg2 is still worth it and it's safe unless you run crackles 😃
Nice video mate, how was the TRS map? Sorry if you mentioned it but I don't remember you doing so.
I did mention and I didn't drive it. No one in Australia, at least not near me has it or put their hand up for me to drive it.
@@fordyford did you mention it near the end when comparing your thoughts or just the advertised figures? I didn't click that you was in Australia mate 😂
Lol all good mate. I mentioned it at the beginning when I spoke about which maps I got to drive and the 2 I didnt.
@@fordyford ohhh ok mate, here in the UK a lot of people are recommending TRS or Nexus as they seem to beat other stage 2 cars and actually make the power they claim, I'm going to TRS eventually.
Yes both got a good reputation very quickly. As I said in the video, if you have the chance, drive as many as you can.
Running CP1 software only and find that running momentum 99 fuel makes a real difference. New spark plugs and a clean air filter all help also.
Fuel grade and how wellyour car is maintained and running can certainly inpact on how it feels to drive.
Whats the best for Stage 1 on a Serial Car? 😎
What do you mean by serial car?
As I always say, the best stage 1, 2 or 3 map has too many variables for personal preference.
I have only ever driven the Collins CP2 (stage 1) so can't compare or make any recommendation.
@@fordyford with no Hardware modifikatons on the car. ☺️
I'm fairly sure almost all the Euro stage 1 maps are designed for standard hardware.
Thry should state on their website when you look at their map what it needs.
@@fordyford I speculate with maxd-out(pumaspeed) or mountune
My advice is to do a lot of research yourself. Visit each website, see what you get for money. Read reviews of companies on Facebook and anything on Google etc. That's what I did for this stage 2 comparrison video.
2 minutes in and hit with ads again
Sorry, I don't specify when the ads are 🤷♂️. RUclips does it automatically. Thanks for watching though, those ads are putting money back into the channel 💯.
@@fordyford do you mind saying how much it makes you? I'm curious, I always have my own ideas of different kinds of videos I could post.
Thanks for making the video, so shattering the HDD broke unreal.
So would you say the Collins tune is the most peaky for power? Because that's what I want, the most NA like tune there is. Like a GT-R where the RB26 would produce peak power up the top end
@@TheDoctor46vr I wouldn't say it makes the most peak power but it definitely feels like the one (back when I made this video) that would be most like an NA engine.
My Revo car, has made different power on different dyno's. What I will say is on the same dyno, the before and after remap gained over 30 whp and over 100nm of torque.
I don't really read much into dyno numbers much as too many variables to worry.
@@fordyford which tuner from your experience has the most top end power now? So Collins was the one back then but now what would you say? Basically i don't want to have to shift too far before the rev limiter to stay in the power.
So are you saying that multiple runs on the same dyno with the same tune, yielded greatly different results? Or that was stage 1 to stage 2? You had the MP215 didn't you? Or was that Tas Fiesta
To be honest, things have changed since I made this vid a couple of years ago.
I know Pumaspeed have made a few revisions of their maps since, Laird Performance have moved to their own mapping (I think TRS was doing it when I drove the car). I haven't been fortunate enough to drive any more cars with revised map updates.
The 30whp and 100nm gain was on remap day mp215 to revo stage 2, these were the gains had on the day on that dyno.
Sorry it's not a great answer, I don't want to give any misleading info though. I am fairly sure though that Collins hasn't changed too much as their sales advisor still agrees with and shares my comments and experiences.
My best advice is to try and drive cars with the maps you are interested in and make your choice that will be best for you.
Generally speaking, companies will have good discounts if you upgrade from their stage 1 map to their stage 2.