Here's a video of the steps I take to build up a piston and liner kit for a trunk piston. Here's a link to a crosshead piston.: • Detroit 4-53T Cross He...
Long-time subscriber here. I automatically hit the LIKE even before watching one of your videos. I really appreciate your laid-back and thorough manner when presenting instructions. I'm into building no less than four 4-53's at the moment. Now you've got me worried. Is it crucial that the oil expander rings be installed with the hook ends facing downward? I know to make damn sure they're not overlapped, but wasn't aware there was an up or down. If so, I'm going to be pulling out the pistons I installed last night. Happy holidays and greetings from Alaska.
Well thank you very much. I can't see how that oil expander could be critical, just what the manual and instruction say. I won't worry about it to be honest.:)
Sorry to be a pain,but you seem to have the most knowledge of these engines and want to thank you for responding to my questions,so today just concerned was going to test the engine out by going out with it but first i ran a few tests,and run at the dock for 30 minbuilt some catch cans to catch the oil,the oil does seem to be less after the engine is hot,i then took the covers off the valve head,and i pushed down on the injectors to see if i notice a change in the idle,the right bank was ok,every time i pushed down on the injector the engine bogged down a little,on the left bank,(the middle injector no change in engine rpm no bogging,so clearly injector not firing) and the first injector on that side seemed to bog down but not as big of a difference as the right bank,but anyway the one in the middle clearly no change) now that is a bad injector?and also if it is will that do anything to your oil consumption or just make the engine smoke more? thanks
Most likely a bad injector. To confirm this you can swap it out with another working injector. It won’t cause more oil consumption, but will cost you in power and an increase in fuel consumption. To compensate the other 5 injectors add more fuel.:)
2 rings + 4 rings = 6 channels. I believe that all of this leads to friction and wear on the shirt. This technology is used in ship engines to this day. But the 4-stroke engine has the advantage of having only 3 rings and less heavy pistons.
True, these are steel pistons compared to the aluminum pistons used on most 4-strokes. Detroit later replaced this piston design with a crosshead design which uses one less compression ring. Piston is a two piece design with different ring materials for better life and less oil consumption.:)
I use a small punch and drive it through one retainer, then remove that retainer. The other retainer can then be removed from the back side without damage. I've replaced a few that I wasn't happy with when I first started installing these. I do keep spares incase I ever make a mistake.:) Thanks for watching.:)
hi,now im watching real close your overhaul videos,because im positive my engine is in desperate need of it,but im trying to get my summer fishing quota in and hopefully the enginge makes it,lol.the reason i rebuilt the blower,turbo and cleaned aftercooler as the airbox was a complete mess with carbon and soot,and i was burning quart and sometimes 2 quarts of oil in a 24 hr run,so i was hoping that it would of fixed some of the oil,so my question is its still going thro oil,so i tried figuring where it was coming out so i took the airhorn out looked at the blower and no sign,but then i tried taking off the airbox covers,i tried one first and started the engine and clearly oil coming out from the pistons,2 were very bad and only one was good,my concern now is it seems alot of oil for just a few minutes,couple tablespoons,does the engine tighten up when hot and then pistons dont throw out as munch oil,at that rate that i see im looking at a gallon or more,lol,the engine does have alot of hours 12,000,but kind of confused and hopefully all that cleaning didnt do something to the pistons,wondered if you ever tried also running the engine and looking at the airbox covers off,or if you know the pistons tighten up after hot,thanks
When they get tired they will use more oil as well as slobber more out the airbox. I monitor my airbox and drain the collector can once a month. I only get a couple ounces, so it's healthy. The engine should use less oil at running temp than when cold. I check the field hand book and your engine should use 1.5 quarts every ten hours of use. Are you running straight weight oil? If you run multi-grade oil it will use more than the straight weight SAE 40. If you want to monitor the airbox drains I suggest making a collection tank that you can drain once in a while.:) This will give you a good idea of the amount it slobbers out.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 thanks for looking that up,strange it was burning less than that ,i am going to make a catch can and monitor,im going to take a test run tomorrow as im very curious on the oil consumption,just seems like alot of oil at idle when i was only putting in a quart in 24 hour run,i actually took off one airbox cover at a time and started the engine and you can clearly see oil coming out of the liner ports, one piston didnt have hardly any oil running if not any oil,then the rest all had oil running out of them ,2 were the worst,im hoping something didnt happen in the cleaning,and made it the engine worst but i dont see how,or even in one of your videos you mentioned rust,i did have a little rust building in the airbox,hopefullly they didnt score the pistons,i just find it to be alot of oil for the time running,but the engine was cold and just idling,thanks
@@TheMatrixgod They like oil, so as long as they start well and don't smoke a lot then run it. I keep my 4-53T working as much as I can in a pick up. I sent an oil sample to BlackStone Labs to see how it's doing and the sample came back good. I just wanted to see how it was breaking in and check for fuel, coolant etc in the oil. No fuel or coolant and good wear numbers so a happy Detroit.
My main concern with top loading is forcing the oil rings past the liner ports. They never cross the ports in operation, so why should they when I install the piston. It's just asking for trouble when you can bottom load them so easily.
Because of Covid I can’t drive to Danville to pick up the parts, so I bought these through a Canadian shop in Vancouver. It makes it 2 times the price to buy in the US and ship through the border. I learned the Hard way with my Silver, the border just closed while I was buying my parts and shipped those. These are 18.7:1 T pistons.:).
@@detroitgarage9430 Great video,i have a 692 ta on a boat,and currently had my airbox drain blocked,i then opened the airbox port hole covers off to inspect,and the holes were loaded with oil sludge,you mentioned piston retainers if they leak makes a mess in the airbox,so this engine since the rebuit 10 years ago always lost some oil,hope its not that,and also i opened the top of the blower to inspect and the lobes were also a bit oiled up,so not sure if maybe blower is leaking,but then i thout if one of the airbox breather is blocked it could of created the film on the blower. After some research these engines require a checkvalve on those airbox,i guess they never got replaced,so now its just a medal tube breathing opened and i see some oil underneath always has been there since beginning. I was hoping if you were familiar with this,thanks and great videos
Ah sorry for the late reply, I never saw this question.:) The air box drains should be open and or have the check valves. With the check valves open at idle, any oil, fuel, water can exit the airbox. Plugged drains is a big problem and it's a good think you found it. This can cause the airbox to be very contaminated like you described.
Hey hey hey broo i come from facebook i like your work and u got subscribe and like before watching your videoo. Can you provide me the measurement of piston, sleeve,crank shaft and block ... Wanna calculate how to build opposed piston from this engine by making the same measurementd
@@detroitgarage9430 will the Allis 2-53 get 21:1 pistons? The non turbo engines have a totally different sound to them compared to the turbo engines. Not sure if it's only the compression, but they certainly sound different. Cheers!
Long-time subscriber here. I automatically hit the LIKE even before watching one of your videos. I really appreciate your laid-back and thorough manner when presenting instructions. I'm into building no less than four 4-53's at the moment. Now you've got me worried. Is it crucial that the oil expander rings be installed with the hook ends facing downward? I know to make damn sure they're not overlapped, but wasn't aware there was an up or down. If so, I'm going to be pulling out the pistons I installed last night. Happy holidays and greetings from Alaska.
Well thank you very much. I can't see how that oil expander could be critical, just what the manual and instruction say. I won't worry about it to be honest.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 Kind thanks. Now I can breathe again. Had me worried there!
Sorry to be a pain,but you seem to have the most knowledge of these engines and want to thank you for responding to my questions,so today just concerned was going to test the engine out by going out with it but first i ran a few tests,and run at the dock for 30 minbuilt some catch cans to catch the oil,the oil does seem to be less after the engine is hot,i then took the covers off the valve head,and i pushed down on the injectors to see if i notice a change in the idle,the right bank was ok,every time i pushed down on the injector the engine bogged down a little,on the left bank,(the middle injector no change in engine rpm no bogging,so clearly injector not firing) and the first injector on that side seemed to bog down but not as big of a difference as the right bank,but anyway the one in the middle clearly no change) now that is a bad injector?and also if it is will that do anything to your oil consumption or just make the engine smoke more? thanks
Most likely a bad injector. To confirm this you can swap it out with another working injector. It won’t cause more oil consumption, but will cost you in power and an increase in fuel consumption. To compensate the other 5 injectors add more fuel.:)
2 rings + 4 rings = 6 channels.
I believe that all of this leads to friction and wear on the shirt. This technology is used in ship engines to this day. But the 4-stroke engine has the advantage of having only 3 rings and less heavy pistons.
True, these are steel pistons compared to the aluminum pistons used on most 4-strokes. Detroit later replaced this piston design with a crosshead design which uses one less compression ring. Piston is a two piece design with different ring materials for better life and less oil consumption.:)
If you were to want to take those retainers back out how would you get them out if the wrist pins are in there ?
I use a small punch and drive it through one retainer, then remove that retainer. The other retainer can then be removed from the back side without damage. I've replaced a few that I wasn't happy with when I first started installing these. I do keep spares incase I ever make a mistake.:) Thanks for watching.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 thx im enjoying your channel
hi,now im watching real close your overhaul videos,because im positive my engine is in desperate need of it,but im trying to get my summer fishing quota in and hopefully the enginge makes it,lol.the reason i rebuilt the blower,turbo and cleaned aftercooler as the airbox was a complete mess with carbon and soot,and i was burning quart and sometimes 2 quarts of oil in a 24 hr run,so i was hoping that it would of fixed some of the oil,so my question is its still going thro oil,so i tried figuring where it was coming out so i took the airhorn out looked at the blower and no sign,but then i tried taking off the airbox covers,i tried one first and started the engine and clearly oil coming out from the pistons,2 were very bad and only one was good,my concern now is it seems alot of oil for just a few minutes,couple tablespoons,does the engine tighten up when hot and then pistons dont throw out as munch oil,at that rate that i see im looking at a gallon or more,lol,the engine does have alot of hours 12,000,but kind of confused and hopefully all that cleaning didnt do something to the pistons,wondered if you ever tried also running the engine and looking at the airbox covers off,or if you know the pistons tighten up after hot,thanks
When they get tired they will use more oil as well as slobber more out the airbox. I monitor my airbox and drain the collector can once a month. I only get a couple ounces, so it's healthy. The engine should use less oil at running temp than when cold. I check the field hand book and your engine should use 1.5 quarts every ten hours of use. Are you running straight weight oil? If you run multi-grade oil it will use more than the straight weight SAE 40. If you want to monitor the airbox drains I suggest making a collection tank that you can drain once in a while.:) This will give you a good idea of the amount it slobbers out.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 thanks for looking that up,strange it was burning less than that ,i am going to make a catch can and monitor,im going to take a test run tomorrow as im very curious on the oil consumption,just seems like alot of oil at idle when i was only putting in a quart in 24 hour run,i actually took off one airbox cover at a time and started the engine and you can clearly see oil coming out of the liner ports, one piston didnt have hardly any oil running if not any oil,then the rest all had oil running out of them ,2 were the worst,im hoping something didnt happen in the cleaning,and made it the engine worst but i dont see how,or even in one of your videos you mentioned rust,i did have a little rust building in the airbox,hopefullly they didnt score the pistons,i just find it to be alot of oil for the time running,but the engine was cold and just idling,thanks
@@TheMatrixgod They like oil, so as long as they start well and don't smoke a lot then run it. I keep my 4-53T working as much as I can in a pick up. I sent an oil sample to BlackStone Labs to see how it's doing and the sample came back good. I just wanted to see how it was breaking in and check for fuel, coolant etc in the oil. No fuel or coolant and good wear numbers so a happy Detroit.
My main concern with top loading is forcing the oil rings past the liner ports. They never cross the ports in operation, so why should they when I install the piston. It's just asking for trouble when you can bottom load them so easily.
Because of Covid I can’t drive to Danville to pick up the parts, so I bought these through a Canadian shop in Vancouver. It makes it 2 times the price to buy in the US and ship through the border. I learned the Hard way with my Silver, the border just closed while I was buying my parts and shipped those. These are 18.7:1 T pistons.:).
True, the manual suggests using your hands for the oil control rings so you don’t damage them. So the must chip easily.
what state are you located in,i have a 692 ta
I'm just above Washington in BC, Canada.:) Thanks for watching.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 Great video,i have a 692 ta on a boat,and currently had my airbox drain blocked,i then opened the airbox port hole covers off to inspect,and the holes were loaded with oil sludge,you mentioned piston retainers if they leak makes a mess in the airbox,so this engine since the rebuit 10 years ago always lost some oil,hope its not that,and also i opened the top of the blower to inspect and the lobes were also a bit oiled up,so not sure if maybe blower is leaking,but then i thout if one of the airbox breather is blocked it could of created the film on the blower.
After some research these engines require a checkvalve on those airbox,i guess they never got replaced,so now its just a medal tube breathing opened and i see some oil underneath always has been there since beginning.
I was hoping if you were familiar with this,thanks and great videos
Ah sorry for the late reply, I never saw this question.:) The air box drains should be open and or have the check valves. With the check valves open at idle, any oil, fuel, water can exit the airbox. Plugged drains is a big problem and it's a good think you found it. This can cause the airbox to be very contaminated like you described.
Hey hey hey broo i come from facebook i like your work and u got subscribe and like before watching your videoo.
Can you provide me the measurement of piston, sleeve,crank shaft and block ... Wanna calculate how to build opposed piston from this engine by making the same measurementd
Thanks I'll have look and see what I can find.:)
Why Interstate McBee this time over FP Diesel? Are these Turbo Trunk (18.7:1) or 21:1 N pistons?
I answered this one below.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 will the Allis 2-53 get 21:1 pistons? The non turbo engines have a totally different sound to them compared to the turbo engines. Not sure if it's only the compression, but they certainly sound different. Cheers!