The First Jobs on your New Allotment | Dig or No-Dig? | JB's Beginner Guide - Part 2

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  • @JBNat
    @JBNat  Год назад +10

    Thanks to everyone who comments with further advice or things I'd missed! I really appreciate it. The main thing that has been pointed out in the comments so far is that I didn't mention how your physical ability can factor into the decisions I discuss. If you're older or less physically able, it is a great choice to go for the lower maintenance options of slabs or woodchips for paths, and raised beds can make life much easier in terms of being able to both access the beds and also reducing the maintenance of weeding etc.
    Please do keep the comments coming! Lovely to hear from you all.

  • @Falney
    @Falney 10 дней назад

    Pots are your best friend. If you get the allotment while plants are dormant. Anything you want to keep you can put into pots to transplant later. Means you can go scorched earth on what is left

  • @suemowat222
    @suemowat222 Год назад +10

    I'm comfortable with no-dig and use it but don't think it's good to be rigid about it. Remember that people have been growing good crops for thousands of years by digging and ploughing, so it's OK. I think you are right JB about starting with digging then moving on to no- dig later.

    • @jonathanharvey4879
      @jonathanharvey4879 Год назад +3

      My sentiment as well. Tilling works if it didn't there would not be as many humans as there are. I am a digger and find it most cathartic. OK maybe no dig is the way to go but getting enough compost could be a issue. I would dig your beds to start and then switch to no dig later if that appeals to you. Apparently your soil structure should recover in around 3 months

    • @wales123100
      @wales123100 Год назад +3

      ​​@@jonathanharvey4879 even charles dowding is careful to say there's not that much difference in yield its time thats the plus point of no dig but I've always dug

    • @GARDENER42
      @GARDENER42 5 месяцев назад

      That's pretty much what I did - dig out most of the perennial weeds, then cover in cardboard & compost.
      Do NOT use membrane - I have wood chip paths & have hardly any weeds come through between the annual addition of a 2" layer of chips. My plants seem to love growing into them & no raised bed edges, ever.

  • @Carol-oc7mx
    @Carol-oc7mx Год назад +5

    Another view point from us oldies
    - raised beds are more useful as you aged and bending may become an issue
    - digging again may become an issue
    - mowing and edging grass paths, I do love them, can become a big chore as energy levels begin to nosedive
    love this series of videos so far 😁😁

  • @majordog2399
    @majordog2399 Год назад +3

    I love a grass path, it's better for the planet, keeps you fit mowing and looks great after a tight cut. I've tried wood chip and it brought along a lot of fungi that has affected the crops so I'm grass only now.

  • @mikkibubble4711
    @mikkibubble4711 11 месяцев назад +1

    So glad I found your channel! I’m a newbie in growing veggies, just got my beginner’s plot. My problem is, identifying what I actually have on my plot, and distinguishing weed from useful plants. Are there any identification apps you could recommend, please?

  • @lindacano437
    @lindacano437 Год назад +1

    Great video...lots of information I needed. A lot of things I knew already, but being elderly, I needed a reminder. Thanks JB!💚

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      You are so welcome!

  • @LizZorab
    @LizZorab Год назад

    Ooh nice find in the rhubarb!

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Thanks Liz! I try to forget about the rhubarb you so kindly gave to me that I almost instantly killed.....

  • @emptynestgardens9057
    @emptynestgardens9057 Год назад +1

    I love Jessie and her Mum's paths at @Plot37. I have woodchip around my garden beds and they for sure harbour slugs, earwigs and wood hornets more than the grass paths. They also do require some weeding and yearly top-up. Grass or woodchip or something else, it's all about what the individual can physically and financially live with. It all works 👍🏻 Looking forward to seeing this space transform JB.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Brilliant summary!

  • @sharon1615
    @sharon1615 Год назад

    This is a great series JB I'm going to recommend your vlogs to everyone 🥰

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      Thank you so much Sharon! You're the best 😀

  • @Bhoywonder67
    @Bhoywonder67 11 месяцев назад +1

    On the waiting list and expecting my first allotment within the next month or so. Very helpful videos

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you! Good luck with the waiting list 😁

  • @jennisutherland577
    @jennisutherland577 Год назад

    JB I found you today! 😊 I am in Australia and live in a Lifestyle Village where I have been blessed to takeover a plot gardened by a wonderful gardener ( you guys will be jealous over there because it’s $50 a year and there’s probably 10 plots not being farmed🙆🏼‍♀️ ( sinful really) the information and advice you are giving is spot on in 🤩 thank you 🙏🏼 I am looking forward to more binge watching 👩🏼‍🌾

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Ahh wonderful Jenni! Thank you so much, really nice to know. I imagine the climate is quite different over there!

    • @jennisutherland577
      @jennisutherland577 Год назад

      @@JBNat yes it sure is! I watch A lot of Charles Dowding and then apply what I learn to our climate I’m Aussie zone 5 and gonna be mor patient with this plot ( or not and I’ll learn a lot on the way😂)

  • @thedorkasaur
    @thedorkasaur Год назад +1

    Paths,
    I'm actually trying to use my paths to be an area for flowers.
    I'm growing things like sedum and creeping thyme that can be walked on.
    I'm hoping it means that pathways will have a purpose, good for the bugs, look pretty.
    🤞🏻

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Beautiful idea! Clover is a great one too!

  • @mandytaylor1008
    @mandytaylor1008 Год назад

    Hi jb great video we use cardboard and woodchip paths after 3 years of topping up every year we scoop up some of the path and use it as mulch and then we replace with more woodchip. We have it delivered free to plots so this is easy for us. If you have more time you get on top of the weeds coming through. Nest woodchip paths keep grass from growing into beds. We don’t have any sides to our beds so everything is flat so to speak. We started off with boards around our beds but slugs were rife. But before our no digging we gardened traditionally with long rows no beds and we dug. I bought plants a lot of the time and Had a nursery bed for sowing seeds. I had never sown indoors or in a greenhouse. Now I sow everything I don’t like to buy hardly at all anything we recycle as much as we can. We do have to buy in compost organic compost as although we make a lot of our own we need more. It’s £58/ ton delivered from a nearby supplier of all kinds of soil compost sand you name it. It’s what we call black gold. It’s amazing and does the trick. That’s me and my hubby. We by no means perfect and have lots of failures and we always learning from you and everyone else like you. But we love it even tho our polytunnel blew away a few days ago that’s the 3rd time now and is very bodged so will need to invest in another after the summer. I lost a lot of my plants and seedlings and have had to sow all over again. Never mind that’s how it is isn’t it. Thing is to get over it quickly and start again.👍Thame care see you soon🙋🏻

  • @paulineellison9047
    @paulineellison9047 Год назад +2

    if u want low maintenance then go raised beds no dig and wood chip paths... thats what iv got but then again i am 72 and cant be doing all the digging now

  • @FrederickBowdler
    @FrederickBowdler 3 месяца назад

    Great advice 😊

  • @louise2209
    @louise2209 Год назад

    I’ve got a mix of formal and informal raised beds, in ground beds and pots in my garden. Compost though is just expensive and pot luck now. So I am playing around with teas, green manure and mulching with leaves, my own wood chip and just working with nature to create ground cover, grow nitrogen fixers, while my own compost develops better. Good luck with the new plot!

  • @nineteenninetyfive
    @nineteenninetyfive Год назад +4

    One the things I don't like about no dig in raised beds is that it has a bit of a "Ground Force" instant make over effect. I think allotments should be gradually improved and formed over time so it kind of goes against the grain in that way.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      I really know what you mean! I kind of love that it took me the best part of 3 years to actually get plot #1 converted into a growing space, whereas I'm hoping to makeover plot#2 in the best part of a few weeks!

  • @lookinglassminiature
    @lookinglassminiature Год назад

    I got rid of the grass paths around my raised beds. I think we call the invasive grass you have crabgrass in Canada. I put mulch down and it is so much easier. Great videos for beginners J.B.

  • @MrBlacksunster
    @MrBlacksunster Год назад +1

    I have paths with woodchips. Started with cardboard underneath. First year I had to remove some weeds. After 3 years only a few seeds come up. Need to add new woodchips every year but for the rest it is very low maintenance. Everyone has their preferred path, mine definately is woodchips!

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      Cardboard under the woodchip is a really good point - I've started doing this for the paths in my beds now, thank you!

    • @MrBlacksunster
      @MrBlacksunster Год назад

      @@JBNat I think I saw this in your last video, worked great for me. Hope it wil work good for you too. Best thing is to keep adding more woodchips every year, or even twice in the year.

  • @bhalliwell2191
    @bhalliwell2191 Год назад

    About paths. I, too, like the look of grass paths, and the fact that they provide clippings either for mulching with, or to go into the compost bin.
    In general, however, my rule of thumb has been: Can I afford the initial investment; can I afford to maintain whatever this is (I agree, for instance, with *Empty Nest Gardens*'s observations); what secondary or tertiary effects will this have for good or ill; and perhaps the most important consideration for me: How much will it take in money and/or sweat equity to *un*do this if undoing becomes needful?
    Looking forward to watching this allotment garden as it develops!😊

  • @grahamwalker139
    @grahamwalker139 Год назад +1

    Personally for me and my allotment its no dig and wood chip paths. I went down the the raised bed route to begin with but after a few years the wood started rotting, too many places for slugs etc to hide and the it was a pain getting rid of all the rotten wood from the raised beds. The only problem for a while was finding enough materials to make compost but I found a stables so now I mix raw stable manure with thin layers of wood chips and that make a passable compost.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Manure and woodchip is meant to be a brilliant compost and mulch! Sounds like you've got it sussed!

  • @NickSBailey
    @NickSBailey Год назад

    good advice lookng forward to see how it goes. a vote for grass paths here as well, I like them short enough and edged well to look neat but long enough that a few daisies, trefoil and clover creeps in and flowers.

  • @JanesGrowingGarden
    @JanesGrowingGarden Год назад

    I still can't decide what to do with my paths - some are membrane with woodchip over but now full of grass coming through, some are just grass, some are - well I'm not quite sure but good to get it sorted at the beginning stages before the beds take priority. Another great video JB - keep 'em coming!

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      Hahaha that's another one of the reasons I sort of like grass... not really anything that can go wrong with it!

  • @stephenblaze4571
    @stephenblaze4571 Год назад +1

    Yes another great video may I suggest that you mention age and ability I'm near 69 years old and have just changed allotments with an 87 year old who could not cope with his plot, I've built raised beds because I do not want to dig my plot over every year,
    But I must say that you are putting a lot of thought in about what to do when to do it, a lot of new allotment holders go mad and burn themselves out they come the first couple of weeks and then have a month off and think the plot will be the same when they come back as when they left it

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      Great point Stephen - I added some notes about this in the comments/description as admittedly it's a bit of a blind spot for me! I mentioned it a little bit during the video but definitely could have expanded on it!

  • @dutchbeef8920
    @dutchbeef8920 Год назад

    My tip, look around the site and see if there is a pile of wood chips. If so, dig down into the pile and find the old decomposing stuff. I used this on my first allotment to bulk out an anaemic compost heap. You need mass for making compost. I took loads of wheelbarrows of the decomposing wood chips and added them to the pile. This really kick started the pile and it turned into decent compost.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      This is a great tip! I can't do it on mine because the stuff at the bottom is infested with bindweed roots 🤣 we just skim from off the top ha!

    • @dutchbeef8920
      @dutchbeef8920 Год назад

      @@JBNat ah thats a shame, evil bindweed.

  • @ErraticPerfectionist
    @ErraticPerfectionist 9 месяцев назад

    I have woodchip paths, with no plastic. I weeded to the best of my ability, then just used a goodly amount of cardboard before putting down the woodchip.
    I top up the paths by mulching my own prunings (there's a reasonable amount every autumn and spring).
    I am not a fan of grass because almost the only kind around is couch (or other invasive runner grasses) and it's the absolute worst for taking over garden beds.
    If native grasses were easier to grow then maybe I wouldn't mind, but my friend who lives nearby tried to sow native grass, and unfortunately other people's invasive runner grasses blew into her yard and she's now wrestling to get her garden beds free of it.

  • @ThatBritishHomestead
    @ThatBritishHomestead Год назад

    lovely new allotment there! Looks like its got a lot of pertential. If i started over i would so rows, like market gardenting!

  • @anthonyp.2492
    @anthonyp.2492 Год назад

    Another great video JB...Much love from Indian River County Florida

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Thanks so much 👍

  • @railfanner8460
    @railfanner8460 Год назад

    @Naturally JB, excellent video! I always like to hear about different methods of gardening and this video covered A LOT!
    This year, I am going to refurbish my existing raised bed vegetable garden and with the cost of lumber (as well as everything else) right now, I will be going with the no dig method. Looking forward to seeing your progress for ideas and inspiration.
    Thank you for sharing!

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      Thanks so much! I'm really glad you enjoyed it

  • @happydigging
    @happydigging Год назад

    Great video, really well thought out advice 😃
    Happy digging 🌱

  • @cathtf7957
    @cathtf7957 Год назад

    Nice overview 👍👍

  • @1974isl
    @1974isl Год назад

    I cant produce enough compost for the no dig method but I can see the appeal.

  • @johnowen8984
    @johnowen8984 Год назад +2

    I've just taken on my first allotment a few weeks ago. It's covered in a thick layer of woodchips, and ive got a lot of work to do digging up broad leaf dock. Never knew until recently they have roots as thick as a parsnip! Luckily, the guys on the allotment organised a 20 ton load of mushroom compost, and i managed to get a ton for 25 quid so i can start some no dig beds after i finish fixing the leaking shed roof.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +2

      Bargain!! Starting off with a wood chip layer is no bad thing - it's quite an effective mulch. My Family Garden is a real advocate of mulching with wood chip and gets great results. One thing is that it can remove nitrogen from the soil during the composting process, so it might not be ideal for your greens - brassicas, lettuce etc. But you can remedy that with a seaweed feed or something similar!

  • @mariewright9352
    @mariewright9352 Год назад

    I was very luck with my plot last June due to the previous holder friends and plot neighbours keeping the plot mostly clear and they had rotovated it so it was 90% clear when I took it over but very interesting video if, like you I go for another plot at some time in the future but trying to not get ahead of myself 😂 I need to see how I get on this year first !! Due to cost I have put chicken manure pellets into my beds over the last few months, will this put enough goodness back in my soil.I’m also planning on putting blood,fish and bone in before I plant. Will this be enough?

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Chicken Pellets are fantastic! I have some too and I will mostly be using them at the bottom of transplants, a small scattering at the bottom of the hole just to give them a little boost at the start. Unless your soil is seriously depleted, BFB and pellets should be really good.

  • @stephenturner3942
    @stephenturner3942 Год назад

    J.B, I have small chillies, my issue is they are all flowing, I have been told to cut off, but there appears to be more and more.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      Are you feeding them with anything? You probably just need to get them potted on!

    • @stephenturner3942
      @stephenturner3942 Год назад

      @@JBNat just half recommended tomato feed.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      @@stephenturner3942 ah well that is your issue! Tomato feed is for the flowering stage of growth. At the seedling stage you don't want to be feeding it anything other than a very diluted nitrogen feed to encourage leafy growth.
      You want to get your plant as big and as strong as possible before making it start producing fruit when it's in its final pot size :)

  • @JasmineTribeX
    @JasmineTribeX 10 месяцев назад

    Is there a part 3 ? :)

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  10 месяцев назад +2

      I'm sorry I actually never got round to filming part 3! I have been thinking about restarting this. What sort of things would you like to see in a third episode? 🙏

  • @FrederickBowdler
    @FrederickBowdler 3 месяца назад

    I tried woodchip without any membrane in grass and it seemed to disappear in less than a. Month. Wood chips make a poor compost and it takes along time and can controversially be toxic to vegetables.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  3 месяца назад

      @@FrederickBowdler I've had mixed experience using cardboard. In between my scaffolding board raised beds I was able to get a muuuuch thicker layer of woodchip, which is why I think it's done a really good job of keeping everything down. On some of the lower beds I created I couldn't put down as much chip, so it's not lasted very long.
      I wouldn't say it's toxic either, it can just deplete the available nitrogen to plants as part of its composting process. Shouldn't be an issue on paths. Also seen mixed results of people using it as a mulch! If the roots are low enough I suppose it makes sense they won't be impacted.

    • @FrederickBowdler
      @FrederickBowdler 3 месяца назад

      I don't know for certain but like mushrooms (often toxic) woodchip fungi can be toxic in the short term this is one of the problems of carbon chemistry.

  • @MD66-66
    @MD66-66 11 дней назад

    Would you rotorvate a plot? I'm in 2 minds, whether to or not.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  10 дней назад +1

      I think it depends on what you want at the end of it. Some people love to keep a plot which is 90% cultivated earth. If you're okay with the upkeep of one like that and digging it and hoeing it often, rotovating is probably a good way to kick start things.
      I always wanted a more 'structured' garden with defined beds and paths. I also have lots of couch grass, brambles and bind weed which would have only been spread by a rotovator.

    • @MD66-66
      @MD66-66 10 дней назад

      @JBNat thank you. Most people are telling me no, so I think I'll avoid it. I'm brand new to this, so greatful for the info.

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  10 дней назад +1

      @@MD66-66 good luck with it!

  • @locke6531
    @locke6531 Год назад

    👍

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Thank you pal!

  • @bago696
    @bago696 Год назад +1

    Get the strimmer out JB, its driving my OCD nuts

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Hahahaha all in good time Colm!

  • @belindax4897
    @belindax4897 Год назад

    I didn’t have to look too hard for weeds in my plot lol.

  • @catemc2323
    @catemc2323 Год назад

    🌈💚🍀

  • @wales123100
    @wales123100 Год назад +1

    I'm a digger!

  • @AndyMarchant
    @AndyMarchant Год назад

    Is this just putting a raised bed over concrete? ruclips.net/video/9xBL6vwoTEo/видео.html

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Yes it's half concrete and half a small existing garden border 😊

    • @AndyMarchant
      @AndyMarchant Год назад

      @@JBNat I found your video where you built it out of pallets! I have a full concrete path up my garden, with no border, do you reckon I could replicate? Either way, your videos have got me to enquire about my local allotment. Just awaiting the form!

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад +1

      @@AndyMarchant ah lovely to hear! Good luck with the waiting list! You can definitely make raised beds on concrete, but you might want to go a little deeper with the bed than I have, unless you are content just growing shallower rooted plants. One thing you might miss from going straight on concrete is the soil microbiome. But if you start with a bit of soil from elsewhere in the garden at the bottom, and then add plenty of organic matter it should provide plenty of food for the worms etc

    • @AndyMarchant
      @AndyMarchant Год назад

      @@JBNat Thanks, sir!

  • @shirinnosrati6766
    @shirinnosrati6766 5 месяцев назад

    Get rid of everything and start fresh. Don't waste time and effort on saving some plants that are already there. Hear me out, it's not worth it! I tried doing that and ended up ripping out all of them after 2 years of constant weeding and maintaining.

  • @tangerinebabe1
    @tangerinebabe1 Год назад +1

    This is my 1st year going no dig. I get mixed results with digging, so I've been studying this method and I'm intrigued. So I'm going to do my whole allotment this way and see how it goes this year. All my rised beds are prepped and ready to go.... Fingers crossed 🤞

    • @JBNat
      @JBNat  Год назад

      Good luck! Let me know how you get on later in the growing season!