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Multiplayer and cloud saves are also DLC. If you bought a PS5 digital and started a base PS+ subscription at launch you're a couple months away from spending as much on PS+ as you spent on the console itself.
@@BobBobson Imagine how much money everyone is out if they signed up for PS+ when PS4 started requiring it for online play 11 years ago ... Yes, PS4 is that old, yes I hate it too
I truly don't get the outrage over the vertical stand. It's not a functional part. No PlayStation ever included the vertical stand except for the base PS5s. And PS5s will all sit vertically just fine without it. It's purely cosmetic. The disc drive, on the other hand... If you're like me and spent the PS4's life buying games on disc, the PS5 Pro is pretty useless without a disc drive (Mark Cerny was advertising it as having some kind of "boost mode" for PS4 games, so don't tell me it's not a reasonable use case).
@@mjc0961think about it. The PS1 just lays flat. The PS2 regular and 70k & after just laid flat but had a vertical stand bought separately. The PS3 and subsequent SKUs just laid flat but had a vertical stand bought separately. The PS4 and subsequent SKUs just laid flat but had a vertical stand bought separately. The PS5 does lay horizontally, but not flat. It needs the stand bought separately to actually lay flat. As for standing them up vertically, all of them can technically do it except for the PS One (ps1 slim SKU post 2000,) but I wouldn't advise it since they're really easy to tip over.
Noctua really seems to be the good guys. I remember buying a cooler from them back in maybe 2015 for I think an LGA1156 system, and it included brackets of course for your AMD socket options as well (AM3 at the time?) Anyways fast forward to 2023 and I built a cheap AM4 system but had long lost the brackets for my beloved cooler. I reached out to Noctua about purchasing some new brackets. Not only did they send me compatible new brackets for free, but they sent me a cooling tower with it since they noticed in my photos mine had become a little rusty. My fans were still in great shape but I've moved a few times since then and the elements were rough on my old system. That kind gesture and professional customer service is some of the finest I can remember, and judging by the forecast of most of the manufacturers I used to trust; probably the best I'll ever see. I've since bought so many Noctua fans for my PCs and 3D printers. Good on them.
When people ask why is Noctua so expensive (especially the G2 recently) - well, that's why! Long term support. Even if what they send costs like $0.50, it still takes someone's time + shipping.
Their product cost a little more, but they are worth it in the long run. I personally will never use products from disgusting Deep Cool and Thermalright.
@@Winnetou17 It is commendable for sure. And I'll certainly be more willing to spend more on one of their more pricey coolers in the future. They've gained my trust.
@@Winnetou17 I have great experience with Arctic as well and they are sgingificantly cheaper. I requested the offset mounting bracket for my AM4 motherboard this year for a cooler I bought in 2019... they've sent the whole mounting kit just in case I've lost some parts AND a whole tube of MX-6 AND a handful of thermalpaste cleaning supplies free of charge IN A DAY from across 3 countries.
I'll be completely honest, I've been that consumer that has purchased an item because it had a sticker.... in my defense, the two items were identical ASUS motherboards and the sticker was signifying it had updated BIOS
Flashing the BIOS is one of the most nerve wracking parts of building a computer system. Not having to do it yourself thanks to the sticker is peace of mind and worth a few extra bucks. In fact, there could be entire tech shops that deal solely with flashing BIOSes with the latest firmware and people would pay money to have that done for them.
Yup. Nvidia and others did and will do the same. Involuntarily mass collected data pushed through consumer behavior ML models designed so we barely tolerate rising price gouging and to manipulate fanboy armies (look how Apple weirdos shame others online). Even if a product/service sells below expectations the data gathered to better refine manipulative marketing is invaluable (including fabricating scarcity). Data Science and AI built to predict what we'll buy and not buy is fueled by our personal property data stolen from us by corporations.
Genuinely confused by Intel's new naming scheme: Core Ultra 7 implies i7, okay, but 265k, 285k, 245k? How exactly do you know what is what, compared to a 14900, 14700, or 14600? Unless the goal is to confuse people entirely and completely distance from the 13th/14th gen issues and say "see! we made something entirely new and it's fine!".
I still doubt that PS5 pro has a high profit margin, but still, the point of a console is to subsidize the sale of hardware and gain the profit in software sales instead.
@@GamersNexus Feel ya. And to OP - same - I also started with 2nd Edition. Back then I thought going from "Advanced" to "Non-Advanced" was a bit backwards ;)
Thank you for recognizing when comparing the PS5 Pro to the PS5 base, that you need to be comparing it to the $399 Digital edition due to its lack of a disc drive. Some people don't get that it's really a $300 price increase, not a $200 like Sony wants you to think.
It's worth mentioning though the pro has more than double the storage space compared to the og digital ps5. The pro pricing is still brutal though, especially here in Canada where it's just not worth it at all
@@DavideDavini Not only that, but not everyone supports buying game keys from sites like G2A. Although steam/gog sales can still be pretty good on their own.
$250 soldering iron, when you can get a pinecil that works with any USB-C charger or power bank because it has all the controls on the handle, and doesn't come with expensive and hard to find proprietary tips, for less than 20% of the price.
I feel they over though everything about that iron. It might be really good, but if you are looking for high end soldering stations you are not going to go for a battery powered one. Well that is not for a primary soldering station. There are several really tiny soldering pens that have a battery and they are usually pretty good, but for a primary soldering station I would want both a soldering iron and a hot air station. And for $250 you probably can get that.
So... I don't know about you, but 100w USB batteries are already quite pricey. 20% price? No, if you are going that low, then you are rolling dice on QC and truth in advertising. 50-60%? Maybe you can get a somewhat similar package if you finagle things. The tips look like they are standardized parts too... They are not proprietary. Bro... What are you even talking about? Are you a John Deere super fan or employee?
@@Elc22 I think I need to check my house for chemicals ... that last sentence seems like it come from no where. I'm thinking farm equipment and lawn equipment ... yellow and green stuff; not soldering irons. Some stuff in the world is pricey. Some of that stuff is high quality. Some people are willing to 'overpay' for certain quality, brand loyalty, and supporting others if that product is a sponsor. I'm too broke for that crap. I have a $20 kit one from ebay or amazon. Worked for my minimal purposes just fine.
I've had my pinecil V1 since 2021, hasn't skipped a beat. Always powered it off the DC jack and a silicone tattoo gun cable. Usually paired it with a 19v toshiba charger, but got a bench PSU and 24V modded the pinecil. Great iron, I need to get the V2. I don't see iFixIts soldering iron selling well. Sure it is a 100w iron. However at its price I'd buy something more professional, and keep the pinecil for portability.
EU advertised prices are legally required to include VAT. 700 USD ~= 630 EUR Highest VAT rate of any EU member state is 27% 630 EUR * 1.27 ~= 800 EUR That's how it goes when a company wants to list a single price for a region and doesn't want to eat the cost of different tax rates.
That still doesn't work as US$800 is about 720 Euros, not 800 Euros. 800 Euros is about US$890. Add in the disc drive, which is 120 Euros and the stand, which is 30 Euros and you get 950 Euros, which is about a ridiculous US$1,057. This is a minimum of about US$155 less than the USA is being charged. Same for me in the UK, it's US$700 is about £532, times that by 1.2 (our VAT is 20%) and you get about £639, not the £700 we're being charged, £639 is about US$841 and the £700 we're being charged is about US$922. If you include the disc drive which is £100 (which is about US$132 compared to the US$80 it is in the USA) and the stand which is £25 (which is about US$33 compared to the US$30 it is in the USA) and you get a total of £825, which is a quite frankly absurd US$1,087. In the USA the highest price would be US$902, which is US$700 for the consoles, US$80 for the disc drive, US$30 for the stand and 10% sales tax which, unless I'm missing something, is the highest I could find for the USA. This is about US$185 less than the USA is being charged.
@@ironbru1986 I think the highest sales tax on general merchandise in the US is 11% in a few locations in Illinois-they have a combined state, county and municipal tax.
tbf everwhere in the world it's mandatory to put the price after taxes, I believe the US (and Canada?) are the sole exceptions in this context. however the European and UK price still seems inflated compared to the US + tax.
@@MaxIronsThird Value Added Tax in e.g. the UK is 20%. So the quoted price would be expected to be 20% higher if the underlying price were the same. $699 = £535. £535* 1.2 = £642. In Ireland, $699 = €630. €630 * 1.23 = €775.
@@MaxIronsThird The basic price of the unit itself, before taxes, isn't far off. The 799€ price vs. the converted 631€ (from 699 USD) means they're adding a 26.6% VAT, which is a bit higher than normal (usually I see more like 24-25.5%), but not outlandish. Of course the total price ends up being significantly higher because US taxes are so low by comparison, but that's not exactly Sony's fault.
The Touryst was actually the first game to run/render at native 8K on base PS5, no upscaling. And perhaps the only game to do so. Source: Digital Foundry's analysis.
Not defending Sony in any way. But prices in the EU usually include VAT which for most countries average around 20% in the EU. So that would be about 665 € ex. VAT compared to the US 699 $ + Sales Tax. Just so we are comparing apples with apples.
In austria the difference after tax is less than 40 Euro for two year full warranty through the seller, so it's not too bad. We have seen more luxury tax ten years ago, when some devices where 150 Euro more expensive including tax and with only six months of full warranty coverage.
Duct tape is metal foil tape so they did go with duct tape. You've just never seen real duct tape. Real duct tape you have to peel a backing off of it. It's not that cloth crap you're familiar with. If you put duck tape on ducts it turns into something that looks like mummy wrappings pretty quickly. So HVAC pros don't use it on ducts.
Duct tape is cloth- or scrim-backed pressure-sensitive tape, often coated with polyethylene. I thought that shit was for actual ducts and used it as such... melted right off lmfao
@@kekoraaaa Duct tape is metal. There's no cloth at all. Duct tape is metal foil. Cloth tape is for wrapping mummies up with. Which is what your ducts will look like if you use cloth duck tape on them. You will piss off the HVAC tech when he sees it too. Because he's going to have to clean all of that crap off.
This is why companies like Noctua and Fractal are so valuable. They are informed of a problem with one of their products and rather than doing everything in their power to employ messaging that obfuscates their liability (Asus *cough*), they address it simply and directly with details of how they aim to rectify the situation. Why is this so hard for this industry?
Kudos to Noctua and Fractal and also GN for being such a reliable source for good and bad proucers. this all goes into my 'magic vortex' when i design a new system and picking components from dependable companies is No. 1. ( not to throw shade but am i the only one that laughs because it almost sounds like Hawk Tuah ?)
The "emotionally distraught Phil Spencer" clip was very moving. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it; that clip really is such a good example of how a _real_ and actual CEO should be.
"8K gaming" is complete BS. There aren't many 8K displays and the ones that do exist are extremely expensive, to the point where you could get a good 4K display and a high-end PC for the same price. The only real "use" for 8K at the moment is professional creative work and TVs for people with way too much money.
I agree that what Sony did was 99% BS, buuuuut, I really REALLY don't like this "there aren't many 8K displays" argument. It's meaningless. I mean, be real, if you see a commercial to an 8K display next, you'd say that that there's no 8K content, so why buy an 8K display ? Also, a console like Playstation is not like an ice cream, it has a decently long lifespan. Maybe now there's not many 8K displays, but maybe there will be in 2 years time. They wanted to tell you that PS5 Pro is already prepared for that.
@@Winnetou17 How about this one then: To be able to perceive the difference you'd need to be gaming on a screen so massive that price should not be an issue to you.
Another amusingly relevant title over the side among some video recommendations... "This Will Crash The Video Game Industry"... so many things these past 5-10 years, so, so many things
9:54 see the funny thing about "growing" a business is that you can often do so by shrinking your workforce. If only there was some kind of overpaid managerial role that could have been cut instead 🤔
@@antondovydaitis2261 that will NEVER happen. the CEO performs the very valuable role of being the fall guy when the product quality is so bad that it kills someone. ( mega bonuses when leaving - notwithstanding ) it also acts as the ultimate carrot to try and get middle management to shed any remaining human qualities to reach for the brass ring.
@@theorenhobart You make some good points, but I have a hard time believing that Tesla wouldn't be better off without $55 billion dollars worth of Elon Musk.
The soldering iron is awesome. Up until now we had to use butane mini-torches with a soldering iron attachment for a portable solution which comes with its own issues.
Noctua still trying to do things right is a breath of fresh air. Reading Sony or Microsoft’s briefings in comparison is enough to make someone sick. Did you know Noctua still offers FREE cooler adapters for old platforms? I recently received my second 1366 socket adapter, and am using it to mate their new LH12sx77 to a W3690 Xeon on a Rampage III Gene, for use with 48GB of triple channel ECC DDR3L. Yes, ECC DDR3 on a consumer board, with no mods! A useful stability improvement. Still an astonishingly viable system in 2024 barring AVX support, especially given Gulftown LOVES overclocking. Many X58 boards even have biosmods to support NVMe booting via a PCIe adapter, which even on PCIE 2.0 can reach around 3000-3600Mb/s r/w as opposed to the board’s native (effective) 250mb/s. Thanks Steve. Back to you Steve.
That's why I pay more for their products because in the long run it turns out to be better. You will never get that from a minimum wage company that sells you a cheaper product that is comparable.
Overclocking a 130 W CPU with an NH-L12sx77 (NSPR 100)? Did I miss something? And DDR3L? Probably not at 1.35 V then, I assume... (Even Sandy Bridge doesn't like DDR3L IME.) Also, I'm pretty sure the limit for PCIe 2.0 x4 is ~1800 MB/s (5 Gbit/s x4), though obviously that's still nothing to sneeze at in this context. With some overclocking the W3690 may just be sneaking past a Ryzen 3 4300G. That's obviously not much, but at least there still is _some_ overlap with modern(ish) parts. Back when it was new 14 years ago, the same exercise with a then-14-year-old dual PPro 200 would have been utterly hopeless. As in even a lowly Celeron 420 probably being a factor of 4-5 faster. In a way it's heartwarming to see that there's still some mileage left in X58... well, heartwarming and room-warming. These rigs generally draw north of 100 W at idle, so maybe not the ideal daily driver...
@@PileOfEmptyTapes I have some tricks up my sleeve to squeeze just a little more out of this old CPU on a slim thermal budget. It won’t be much extra, but it will be something! Been having fun putting the system together so far. And yes, DDR3L, it runs at 1.35 no problem. I will probably drop to 24GB so I can mess around with the clocks there too, see what I can do at the 1.5 they’re happy to run at without the stress of 6 DIMMs. You can find plenty of NVMe benchmarks on PCIe 2.0, 3000-3600 is achieved pretty regularly. You might be right, but I personally know people who’ve made it happen and I’ve seen it for myself, so I should probably ask… I do have a regular system too, but this is a passion project. My analogy would be to say compared to today’s refined commuter vehicles, the system I’m building is an old muscle car with a few modernizations. It’s still slower than a new Civic and there are features x58 is missing, but to bring it as close as possible to modernity without swapping out the whole drivetrain is the goal here, and ultimately it’s still impressively dailyable. Anything older than x58 dives hard into “antique” territory, but IMHO x58 just squeezes into modern usability and that’s what makes it fascinating to me. Building a fast x58 system in an SFF case has been a blast. It’s not done yet, but so far the thermals (with case mods) and overall performance and stability have been encouraging.
As cool as the Ifixit soldering iron is, I don't really see a benefit personally over pairing a Miniware TS80 with a good USB-C power bank. Though I myself have a TS100 (older barrel jack model) I run from a modified laptop adaptor. Such a modern compact soldering iron undeniably is useful, other volunteers at the repair café I run at were impressed by mine.
The price for the ifixit soldering iron seems a bit steep. It doesn't seem to have enough extra features to warrant getting it over a pinecil with a PD powerbank. Besides, they seem to use their own design of tips instead of designing it around readily available "standard" tips. Firmware is not open either - looks more like they're cashing in a bit on their brand.
What's wild about the PS3 vs PS5 pro is that, Sony themselves admitted that production costs of the PS3 fell by 70% only 3 years after release. You can't say that about current tech anymore. The launch PS3 was sold at a loss, but the PS3 slim was sold at a profit despite the $299 price tag.
@@CmoIsDaNam3iPS4 era was my last "modern" console I'll ever buy, I have quite a few older consoles that have games I've never played. Modern gaming will be on PC for me.
Zero regrets leaving PC for consoles.... my quality of life, and comfort in gaming has improved immensely - as has my bank balance (for the most part).
Steve is rapidly becoming known not just for his epic journalism but his standup comedic wit. Damn dude, you are hitting it out of the park on a regular basis xD
The entire idea of the "Chips Act" sounds good but is a bad approach. This allows the government to pick winners and losers and does not allow innovation by smaller companies as they cannot get these funds. Kevin O'Leary spoke to this and said a better approach would have been for the government to tell investors that any investments made into chip manufacturing in the US would be tax free for any returns for a 20 year period. This would have, in his opinion, seen a lot of money, more than the government offered, sunk into a ton of companies across the spectrum.
@Aereto So someone who told a group of Cnristians on video that he would fix it so good that they wont have to vote again, just this one time, is a better option?
Hearting to bump this up. Currently, there's no release date. They mentioned to us at Computex that the black fans are a ways out. Noctua isn't putting as much on its roadmap these days since they were delaying so often to hit the mark.
@GamersNexus Awesome 👌 thanks for reaching out and letting us know. Always appreciate the content and the videos you and the team do. Here from OZ, love the video's brother!
one of the main reason's i love noctua, they rarely have hardware issues, and when they do by the time i hear about it they already sorted it out excellently in some way or another
I recommend not buying the IFIXIT soldering iron without the station because if you want to adjust the temperature you would need to use a computer and there are other options, even "open-source" like the pinecil, that offer similar products for a fraction of a price. And even then, there is the main "problem" that a repairable solder uses should not use its own tips and let you buy from others so it seems it has some repairability in mind but not open source.
Love USB powered soldering irons. Just gives so much freedom on where and how to work when you don't need a wall outlet, and you can position stuff around freely. There are obviously lots of use cases, but one I see a lot of is RC enthusiasts using them to fix stuff on the field.
Lord Jensen is taking notes from Sony. Nvidia will be offering a 30 dollar 12VHPWR adapter with all their cards this generation, because once you have bought something, you're more willing to pay for the rest of it.
Gran Turismo 7 is getting an 8K mode for PS5Pro, so probably more AAA games too, I guess? Doesn't seem like such a marketing bs tbh. The seperate bluray is a total bs, but that's another thing.
@@MrJonas7it's not real 8k is the problem, it's at most gonna be 4k upscaled. Him saying "pacman at 8k wow" is a joke at how it would take a simpler game like pacman to actually run at 8k
@@tyler6602 There's no reason for it to be upscaled, the base ps5 runs GT7 at native 4k at 60fps, and if you have vrr it can run at about 90fps at native 4k. So why exactly wouldn't be the much more powerful gpu of PS5Pro capable of running it at native 8K 60fps?
WOW! Steve, you might be the only person I have ever seen pronouncing CD Projekt Red correctly. Attention to detail at it's finest and reason why I love GN
Eerily reminscient of when movies depicting tech stuff says things like "we tripled the RAM". Like, what does that mean for the nuances and interoperability that particular application?
Rattling sound it's not only NH-D15 Gen2. I also have it on gen 1 NH-D15S after I simply cleaned the cooler. The root cause is that the Noctua made the fins out of very thin crappy aluminium sheets and it easily starts vibrating when fan is at higher RPM. Especially the top-most fins and their side connectors. Coolers that use thicker fins do not have this kind of issues (like D14 for example). The solution is to just press hard on the side connectors (where fins are attached to each other) with something made out of hard plastic or non-metalic in general so it doesn't damage the stack. Once you go over the stack couple of times the rattling/ringing will be fixed.
The Pinecil soldering iron is very similar, extremely portable and a vital part of my Electronics toolkit for a few years now. Runs nice off a USB battery pack
Your comment about their claims of "8k Gaming" applies equally for 4k too. These consoles arent rendering games at native 4k and they never will. Its all variable resolution, textures, frame rate, fake nonsense.
Technically, there should be plenty of games that should work natively at 4K, maybe even at 120Hz. Like PS 4 era games, or simply games that are 2d (Stardew valley?) or have just basic 3D (Minecraft?) It's true that for these games, playing in 4K or 8K doesn't really provide a meaningful benefit.
that’s not the same thing as the game outputting at 4k. Lots of textures in games, even last gen are capable of texture detail that will look perfectly fine, the 4k output resolution will make it look sharper and better. 😊
Yeah this whole thing is a bad joke. We finally have power for high framerates and high resolutions, but instead we wasted it on ray tracing to get slightly better reflections and shadows that are barely noticeable. But this destroys the framerate, so to fix it we lower the resolution and then upscale it with awful technologies like FSR, DLSS, or PlayStation's upcoming pisser. But this destroys the image quality with loads of nasty artifacts everywhere. So now I'm playing a game that looks drastically worse and I'm not even noticing or appreciating the ray tracing, I'm just distracted and put off by the soft image and all the artifacts. Just let me turn off ray tracing and enjoy rasterized graphics with high framerates and high resolution. I don't want ray tracing. I don't want upscaling. Let me get rid of it. (obviously I can on PC, but on console you can't always turn it off)
It's even the case for PCs at 4k. I run a heavily OC'd RTX4090+7800X3D system at 3440x1440 (2x the demand of normal 1440p, 2x less than 4k). While 95.33% (repeating of course) of games I can run at my native res/max quality with over 60FPS, there have been a handful that I cannot consistently maintain above 60FPS at without any form of DLSS (which invalidates the res as Steve said). So 4k would be even worse. Meanwhile they keep making and people keep buying 4k monitors, on significantly lowered spec'd systems than mine expecting such results. Basically native 4K gaming on current PC hardware for demanding (or at least un-optimised AAA games) is already basically untenable unless you really have a high tolerance for terrible FPS, let alone 8K. Doesn't help that people also constantly think bigger number better for refresh rates either, even though they're never going to get close to hitting the FPS needed to saturate something like 480hz+. It will only make gsync struggle harder to maintain smoothness. Unless you're a competitive gamer playing on min possible settings for highest possible FPS or something.
The PS5 Pro - $700 stand - $30 The disc drive - $80 and then you pay $80 each year to play on line you look at best part $90 you on lineis free on PC your look that the cost good midrange PC
As an early adopter of a ps5 (with disk drive), I would have to pay €950 for the pro to keep playing my games. €800 for the base model €120 for the disk drive €30 for the vertical stand For me it's simple. While every ps console and the ps4 pro upgrade was an instant buy for me, I'll skip this upgrade. The price, lack of exclusive games (games that actually use the features of the ps5 like astro bot) and the push to digital only, make this a very hard sell. Also, the disk drive has to be activated online in order to be used, which makes me wonder how many years it can be used. I'll just put the money aside for a future upgrade of my pc when needed.
Mayne not including the stand was an effort by sony to try and prevent users from keeping the playstation vertical, since that caused problems with the thermal paste, while still giving the option anyway to those that really want a stand for their console. Still bad practice of course to offer it if thats the case anyhow, but its interesting to speculate. Update: I looked up the thermal paste thing online to make sure I was saying the right things, and most people are saying that was a rumor or a partial rumor. Does anyone know more about that?
This was an issue with the very first version of the PS5, this is not really an issue anymore - the PS5 slim didn't come with a stand either. I think because most people do keep it horizontally, they just realised they can monetise it a bit. The first edition PS5 physically couldn't be on its side. The stand was an answer to a terrible oversight
I still remember a big part of why I bought a PS2 was because it came with a DVD player. At the time I think it was around the same price as a DVD player but you got to play PS2 games too! :D And the PS2 was my only DVD player for a long time. Then the same with the PS3 and Blu-ray. I think I might not buy any more Sony or MS consoles now. If Nintendo keeps bringing out consoles that use cartridges I'll keep buying those. Otherwise it's GOG/DRM free PC games for me.
to be fair ps5 is that with 4k blu ray. the only thing its missing from a 500 dollar blu ray player is dolby vision but thats because sony doesnt want to pay the licensing
Noctua : Give you 3 choice of RMA methods, answer very quickly on every social media EK : Problem with employees, Retiring from EU (French) Amazon store, Don't answer to e-mail for RMA issues, don't give you the invoice for your purchase Well, i know what i need to do, put my EK CR360 Nucleus Dark in the trash and buy a big Noctua Air Cooler.
I wish people would remember the good things, like these, that Noctua does when they question that some cooler is quite expensive. They really provide proper long term support.
@@Winnetou17 anyway arctic, nzxt and a lot of brands are still good but actually, it's kinda funny to compare EK with Noctua because i have one of their product on my pc lol
I understand the importance of having domestic chip manufacturing, but in no way should Intel be entitled to the money if Samsung and TSMC can do the job better
well Steve hinted at the rationale and it is sound. the negative impact will be a massive price increase to pay for US labour costs. which will cause a negative spiral in decreased revenue and in turn causing decreased R&D affecting future products ( delays etc. ). this may finally put the wooden stake in Moore's Law
Could we not just incentivize these companies to make chips here? Literally tell TSMC we will build factories here for them. Are they going to turn that down? Instead we give $ to Intel, who will likely just burn it, and we will end up with nothing.
@@jamesbyrd3740 Yes, and the original PS5 doesn't have to be vertical either. But you're supposed to use the stand to set it horizontally. Without it, it doesn't even sit stable, and the plastic gets scratched. Ironically, setting it _vertically_ works fine without a stand as the white plastic is a very stable base, though it can still get scratched that way
Why charging 400$ when you can charge 800$ and customer buys it anyway? Guys, vote with your wallet. If you want it, buy it. But don't get mad when they keep raising the prices for literally no difference in performance.
Not sure how confident Intel is with even outsourcing their GPU chips to TSMC. Didn't seem like the most clever move to me. They also stopped their chip facility construction in Germany.
@@antondovydaitis2261 :) yeah I don't like thaco calc...I do remember the old DnD paper back stuff :)..I guess you must be in you late 60's if I'm a kid :)
@@nowherebrain Paperbacks? Paperbacks! The CalTech-MIT D&D WE played was distributed on the ARPANET, and we had to print it out on huge sheets of green and white striped paper with guide holes on either side, in all capital letters that didn't quite line up straight. And we LIKED it that way!
@@antondovydaitis2261 :) lol..okay, you want me to say you win? Because I'm not even familiar with that..but it's clear you are trolling :) good luck. why is your channel not older?..
One small note. I think they've done it to you quite a few times. In the US, prices are announced before taxes, and in the EU after! In the EU, where I'm from, the price of electronics is taxed at 15% to 22%, depending on which country you're in. It should be noted that if I buy a product from a neighboring country with a lower tax rate, I will not be charged additional fees in mine. ;) Ultimately, however, prices in Europe are lower than in the US. 700 * 1.15.... 805 (in our neighboring country) in our country it is 20%
Intel just canceled the German FAB in Magdeburg. Govermnent funding is already secured and will probably be spent on another project if INTEL cant get cash.
I'm just happy to hear we are getting more competition into the GPU side, keeping fingers crossed that they will get somewhere and lead to better pricing/power efficiency/performance in the long haul
There are already portable soldering irons that use USBC, like the TS100\101, which I've had for years; and iFixit stopped selling. And there are additional tips available, including a hot knife tip that is useful for cutting cordage. I've used mine with a USB PD power bank (rated for the wattage of the iron) with no issues.
A battery powered soldering iron is very useful when replacing calibration backup batteries in test equipment. It needs to be powered so it doesn't lose the (very expensive) Calibration data and the tip of a soldering iron is earthed, so you will ground fault if you attempt to solder it.
I filled up the onboard storage and 1tb add-in ssd of my ps5 instantly, and had to get an external hdd for all my ps4 games. 2tb is not a lot these days due to games being absolutely massive.
Here's another hit to your head; You heard how printer companies makes money selling inks and not the printers? Look at Sony's DualSense Edge with their "stick modules".
$200+ price hike for a slightly better gpu, while taking away over $100 in previously included components is completely f’d. Sony is out of their mind.
so many people complaining about the price of the console, yet so many people were out there paying 800+ scalped prices for the original playstation. Consumers cannot have it both ways. Sony saw how desperate people can get and they would be crazy not to capitalise on it. Keep buying consoles from scalpers, and none of us can ever have any nice things
These are completely different market conditions. People aren't locked indoors looking for things to pass the time. It's not a brand new console generation where people were hoping for new games and experiences which eventually failed to come about. No one is that hyped for this bullshit model refresh.
The only problem I have with the Fixhub is that it's significantly more expensive than the ubiquitous Pinecil. And if you use it standalone, it's not quite as convenient to change the temperature (which I sometimes find myself having to do when soldering thick gauge wires/posts vs. thinner gauge wires).
6:38 "...this is how we end up in BS arms races where one vendor puts a stupid sticker on the box and the other does it too, because if they don't the uninformed consumer looks at it and goes 'but this one has the sticker and that one doesn't therefore I buy this one now'..." - a succinct summary of how we got here with ray tracing nonsense.
2010 - I bought the NH-D14 2019 - free Noctua AM4 adapter kit to use NH-D14 still 2024 - Noctua NH-D15 G2 costs how much? 2024 - bought the "Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE" for $35USD (idling 350RPM, quiet under heavy load. Yay!) (*Just FYI, but there was maybe a 2 or 3 degree difference in normalized tests between the NH-D14 (added proper PWM fans not 3-pin) and the Thermalright cooler. That doesn't seem like much, but my Noctua NH-D14 seemed to be hitting its max cooling potential so the fans would ramp up to try to keep it under the max 83degC I'd set. I speculated the Thermalright would make an actual big difference under heavy load. And it did. So all my noisy spikes disappeared and sustained, heavy CPU load on R9-3900x (130Watts?) is maybe 700RPM at room ambient 20degC. And case fans at 500RPM (case fans idle at 300RPM))
4:39 The PS5 HDMI connector supports 8K bandwidth but the console itself has never been capable of outputting anything beyond 4K, so the 8K branding on the box has always been 100% false marketing. And before anyone rushes in with the bs Touryst comment, Touryst only renders internally at 8K but can only output at 4K because that's a hardware limitation.
And for that positive coverage mentioned in the conclusion, you can find the new case reviews below! And as for critical content, we have a pre-built review coming up... of a very expensive machine. And it isn't one of the good ones.
Watch our Antec Flux Pro review here: ruclips.net/video/IqLyqUdQNcg/видео.html
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The 1650 super had like 45% more cores than the 1650, but was no where near 45% faster. Bigger number better. =P
Hi, could you find/review a Modern case with a 5.25 optical drive slot? The last one was the fractal pop air in 2022😢. Pls and thanks
PS5 Pro. I want a head to Head with an Alienware prebuilt. My money on the Alienware!
Sony wants to be Apple so badly it's ruining them
Noctua is afraid to say "you manhandled it, you goons"
"Plastic stand is dlc now"
Broooo...
3D Printing where tf are you
Multiplayer and cloud saves are also DLC.
If you bought a PS5 digital and started a base PS+ subscription at launch you're a couple months away from spending as much on PS+ as you spent on the console itself.
@@BobBobson Imagine how much money everyone is out if they signed up for PS+ when PS4 started requiring it for online play 11 years ago
... Yes, PS4 is that old, yes I hate it too
I truly don't get the outrage over the vertical stand. It's not a functional part. No PlayStation ever included the vertical stand except for the base PS5s. And PS5s will all sit vertically just fine without it. It's purely cosmetic.
The disc drive, on the other hand... If you're like me and spent the PS4's life buying games on disc, the PS5 Pro is pretty useless without a disc drive (Mark Cerny was advertising it as having some kind of "boost mode" for PS4 games, so don't tell me it's not a reasonable use case).
@@mjc0961think about it.
The PS1 just lays flat.
The PS2 regular and 70k & after just laid flat but had a vertical stand bought separately.
The PS3 and subsequent SKUs just laid flat but had a vertical stand bought separately.
The PS4 and subsequent SKUs just laid flat but had a vertical stand bought separately.
The PS5 does lay horizontally, but not flat. It needs the stand bought separately to actually lay flat.
As for standing them up vertically, all of them can technically do it except for the PS One (ps1 slim SKU post 2000,) but I wouldn't advise it since they're really easy to tip over.
Noctua really seems to be the good guys. I remember buying a cooler from them back in maybe 2015 for I think an LGA1156 system, and it included brackets of course for your AMD socket options as well (AM3 at the time?) Anyways fast forward to 2023 and I built a cheap AM4 system but had long lost the brackets for my beloved cooler.
I reached out to Noctua about purchasing some new brackets. Not only did they send me compatible new brackets for free, but they sent me a cooling tower with it since they noticed in my photos mine had become a little rusty. My fans were still in great shape but I've moved a few times since then and the elements were rough on my old system.
That kind gesture and professional customer service is some of the finest I can remember, and judging by the forecast of most of the manufacturers I used to trust; probably the best I'll ever see. I've since bought so many Noctua fans for my PCs and 3D printers. Good on them.
When people ask why is Noctua so expensive (especially the G2 recently) - well, that's why! Long term support. Even if what they send costs like $0.50, it still takes someone's time + shipping.
Their product cost a little more, but they are worth it in the long run. I personally will never use products from disgusting Deep Cool and Thermalright.
@@Winnetou17 It is commendable for sure. And I'll certainly be more willing to spend more on one of their more pricey coolers in the future. They've gained my trust.
@@Winnetou17 I have great experience with Arctic as well and they are sgingificantly cheaper. I requested the offset mounting bracket for my AM4 motherboard this year for a cooler I bought in 2019... they've sent the whole mounting kit just in case I've lost some parts AND a whole tube of MX-6 AND a handful of thermalpaste cleaning supplies free of charge IN A DAY from across 3 countries.
Noctua are the GOAT. Yes they are pricey, but the immediate customer support and quality makes me stand by them. Heck, I'm running 8 NF-A12x25's.
I'll be completely honest, I've been that consumer that has purchased an item because it had a sticker.... in my defense, the two items were identical ASUS motherboards and the sticker was signifying it had updated BIOS
At least that one is something that they should be keeping up with.
Flashing the BIOS is one of the most nerve wracking parts of building a computer system. Not having to do it yourself thanks to the sticker is peace of mind and worth a few extra bucks. In fact, there could be entire tech shops that deal solely with flashing BIOSes with the latest firmware and people would pay money to have that done for them.
Sony saw the $1000 Apple monitor stand and said "Yeah, we want that, but for gamers"
Wait new Apple monitor arent for gamer?
@@theesitchaowalittawil1935 I doubt many people play on 6k 32" displays meant as a reference monitor.
Yup. Nvidia and others did and will do the same. Involuntarily mass collected data pushed through consumer behavior ML models designed so we barely tolerate rising price gouging and to manipulate fanboy armies (look how Apple weirdos shame others online). Even if a product/service sells below expectations the data gathered to better refine manipulative marketing is invaluable (including fabricating scarcity). Data Science and AI built to predict what we'll buy and not buy is fueled by our personal property data stolen from us by corporations.
GPU buyers in 2024 😂
@@kirby21-xz4rx Console gamers in 2024.. its like watching movies on VHS lol
8K gaming... For the two people in the US who have 8K televisions?
There only 1600 bucks
That's not that much. Will last you a few years and can enjoy amazing visuals
When consoles proclaim 8k its more like upscales 720p probably.
I mean, neither the PS, nor the xbox are 4k! They are usind FSR to upscale
@@xpodxthey're* and 1600 bucks is allot for a TV
@@tyler6602 No, it's really not.
the cold delivery of the brutal sarcasm is just chef's kiss
...back to you, Steve ! ( i think he's channeling Louis Anderson at this point )
Genuinely confused by Intel's new naming scheme: Core Ultra 7 implies i7, okay, but 265k, 285k, 245k? How exactly do you know what is what, compared to a 14900, 14700, or 14600? Unless the goal is to confuse people entirely and completely distance from the 13th/14th gen issues and say "see! we made something entirely new and it's fine!".
Absolutely no idea. It is somehow fewer numbers and yet more confusing!
Keeping benchmarkers employed
Distancing new models from the train wreck of the two past generations seems like the thing for a demonstrably dishonest organization to embrace.
But higher numbers equals better number therefore better number equals higher number
It's the speed to which they degrade
The ps5 pedestal went from:
"a piece of plastic" to:
"the highest profit margin product we ever sold"
I still doubt that PS5 pro has a high profit margin, but still, the point of a console is to subsidize the sale of hardware and gain the profit in software sales instead.
@@isssma0 Yea its just inflation.
@@isssma0 OP meant just the stand being high profit. 30$ for a piece of plastic? Ridiculous...
ifixit iron is expensive - why don't talk about it?
@@nnnnnn3647 80 bucks for a good 100W iron isn't bad. Also, the Verge already did an article on it being more expensive than Pinecil.
Decade old DnD editions...smh...its weird getting older, while i started with the great 2nd ed. 3.5 always has my heart ❤
Same bud.
When I double-checked the date on 3.5, I definitely had one of those moments. "Surely this was not more than 10 years ago."
@@GamersNexus Feel ya. And to OP - same - I also started with 2nd Edition. Back then I thought going from "Advanced" to "Non-Advanced" was a bit backwards ;)
@jannegrey593 bruh! Just brought back those nostalgic tingles cause we didn't say 2nd edition we said AD&D and the 2nd edition was implied.
I started with 3.5e, but was watching my brother play AD&D growing up. How time flies, huh.
1:07 Steve gave us L.A. Noire style subtle facial cues
23:55 PSA: Steve from Gamers Nexus is NOT suicidal.
Somehow RUclips allows you to say the S word at the end.
Thank you for recognizing when comparing the PS5 Pro to the PS5 base, that you need to be comparing it to the $399 Digital edition due to its lack of a disc drive.
Some people don't get that it's really a $300 price increase, not a $200 like Sony wants you to think.
And when comparing it to PC you should factor in the cost of online gaming and more expensive games vs cheaper keys.
It's worth mentioning though the pro has more than double the storage space compared to the og digital ps5. The pro pricing is still brutal though, especially here in Canada where it's just not worth it at all
@@leviathan5207 but why? I don't give a crap about online gaming, why should I factor that in? I refuse to do it.
Agree to disagree.
Cheers mate.
Digital Edition is $449 since Slim model came out.
@@DavideDavini Not only that, but not everyone supports buying game keys from sites like G2A. Although steam/gog sales can still be pretty good on their own.
$250 soldering iron, when you can get a pinecil that works with any USB-C charger or power bank because it has all the controls on the handle, and doesn't come with expensive and hard to find proprietary tips, for less than 20% of the price.
The problem I got with finding AliExpress alternatives is the quality control
I feel they over though everything about that iron. It might be really good, but if you are looking for high end soldering stations you are not going to go for a battery powered one. Well that is not for a primary soldering station. There are several really tiny soldering pens that have a battery and they are usually pretty good, but for a primary soldering station I would want both a soldering iron and a hot air station. And for $250 you probably can get that.
So... I don't know about you, but 100w USB batteries are already quite pricey. 20% price? No, if you are going that low, then you are rolling dice on QC and truth in advertising. 50-60%? Maybe you can get a somewhat similar package if you finagle things. The tips look like they are standardized parts too... They are not proprietary.
Bro... What are you even talking about? Are you a John Deere super fan or employee?
@@Elc22 I think I need to check my house for chemicals ... that last sentence seems like it come from no where. I'm thinking farm equipment and lawn equipment ... yellow and green stuff; not soldering irons.
Some stuff in the world is pricey. Some of that stuff is high quality. Some people are willing to 'overpay' for certain quality, brand loyalty, and supporting others if that product is a sponsor.
I'm too broke for that crap. I have a $20 kit one from ebay or amazon. Worked for my minimal purposes just fine.
I've had my pinecil V1 since 2021, hasn't skipped a beat. Always powered it off the DC jack and a silicone tattoo gun cable. Usually paired it with a 19v toshiba charger, but got a bench PSU and 24V modded the pinecil. Great iron, I need to get the V2.
I don't see iFixIts soldering iron selling well. Sure it is a 100w iron. However at its price I'd buy something more professional, and keep the pinecil for portability.
You are getting too good at this, I applaud your almost British levels of sarcasm 👏
That's quite the compliment!
@@GamersNexus We need to get Steve a top hat, monocle and a cup of tea.
@@TC2290-wh5cb don't forget the crooked teeth
@@reeeee3398 and the GIANT ears
EU advertised prices are legally required to include VAT.
700 USD ~= 630 EUR
Highest VAT rate of any EU member state is 27%
630 EUR * 1.27 ~= 800 EUR
That's how it goes when a company wants to list a single price for a region and doesn't want to eat the cost of different tax rates.
I wish Canada could join the EU 😆
A VAT of 27% is in Hungary, for under ten million people, and nowhere else. The average VAT weighted by population is near 20%.
Interesting math from € to $, or just a typo?
That still doesn't work as US$800 is about 720 Euros, not 800 Euros. 800 Euros is about US$890. Add in the disc drive, which is 120 Euros and the stand, which is 30 Euros and you get 950 Euros, which is about a ridiculous US$1,057. This is a minimum of about US$155 less than the USA is being charged.
Same for me in the UK, it's US$700 is about £532, times that by 1.2 (our VAT is 20%) and you get about £639, not the £700 we're being charged, £639 is about US$841 and the £700 we're being charged is about US$922. If you include the disc drive which is £100 (which is about US$132 compared to the US$80 it is in the USA) and the stand which is £25 (which is about US$33 compared to the US$30 it is in the USA) and you get a total of £825, which is a quite frankly absurd US$1,087.
In the USA the highest price would be US$902, which is US$700 for the consoles, US$80 for the disc drive, US$30 for the stand and 10% sales tax which, unless I'm missing something, is the highest I could find for the USA. This is about US$185 less than the USA is being charged.
@@ironbru1986 I think the highest sales tax on general merchandise in the US is 11% in a few locations in Illinois-they have a combined state, county and municipal tax.
8:40ish - Additionally, the PS3 launch console also came with a SACD player. You could literally play any media on it except HD DVDs.
and the backward compatibility hardware
A note about the ps5 pricing, in europe is mandatory to put the price after taxes, is still expensive but make the prices more in line.
taxes in the US are around just 5% depending on the state, it makes not even a little more "in line" with the US price.
tbf everwhere in the world it's mandatory to put the price after taxes, I believe the US (and Canada?) are the sole exceptions in this context. however the European and UK price still seems inflated compared to the US + tax.
@@MaxIronsThird i heard from other comments it was more like 20%? thonk
@@MaxIronsThird Value Added Tax in e.g. the UK is 20%. So the quoted price would be expected to be 20% higher if the underlying price were the same. $699 = £535. £535* 1.2 = £642. In Ireland, $699 = €630. €630 * 1.23 = €775.
@@MaxIronsThird The basic price of the unit itself, before taxes, isn't far off. The 799€ price vs. the converted 631€ (from 699 USD) means they're adding a 26.6% VAT, which is a bit higher than normal (usually I see more like 24-25.5%), but not outlandish.
Of course the total price ends up being significantly higher because US taxes are so low by comparison, but that's not exactly Sony's fault.
The Touryst was actually the first game to run/render at native 8K on base PS5, no upscaling. And perhaps the only game to do so.
Source: Digital Foundry's analysis.
Good, good!
👹
Not defending Sony in any way. But prices in the EU usually include VAT which for most countries average around 20% in the EU. So that would be about 665 € ex. VAT compared to the US 699 $ + Sales Tax.
Just so we are comparing apples with apples.
But if you look up the price in yen it's even a crazier increase
@@meneldal I can't speak intelligently about JPN / Yen market sorry.
In Germany it's about 50€ more expensive than the no vat $ version
In austria the difference after tax is less than 40 Euro for two year full warranty through the seller, so it's not too bad. We have seen more luxury tax ten years ago, when some devices where 150 Euro more expensive including tax and with only six months of full warranty coverage.
@@jojobetzler3732I am also in Austria. Et price is 665 €. And 699$ id about 630€. So yeah about 35€ more. Absolutely fine as regional differences.
Support: How do we solve the rattling issue?
Engineers: Duct tape?
Marketing: No, that's ugly
Engineers: We'll make it look nice
Marketing: Done
That's why they're rich and your minimum wage.
As an engineer, we can never let the world know just how much shit is jury-rigged 😆
Duct tape is metal foil tape so they did go with duct tape. You've just never seen real duct tape. Real duct tape you have to peel a backing off of it. It's not that cloth crap you're familiar with. If you put duck tape on ducts it turns into something that looks like mummy wrappings pretty quickly. So HVAC pros don't use it on ducts.
Duct tape is cloth- or scrim-backed pressure-sensitive tape, often coated with polyethylene.
I thought that shit was for actual ducts and used it as such... melted right off lmfao
@@kekoraaaa Duct tape is metal. There's no cloth at all. Duct tape is metal foil. Cloth tape is for wrapping mummies up with. Which is what your ducts will look like if you use cloth duck tape on them. You will piss off the HVAC tech when he sees it too. Because he's going to have to clean all of that crap off.
24:00 Even Boeing catching strays 😂😂
Also, Steve is perfectly sane and not looking to game end yet. 😅💀
This is why companies like Noctua and Fractal are so valuable. They are informed of a problem with one of their products and rather than doing everything in their power to employ messaging that obfuscates their liability (Asus *cough*), they address it simply and directly with details of how they aim to rectify the situation. Why is this so hard for this industry?
Kudos to Noctua and Fractal and also GN for being such a reliable source for good and bad proucers. this all goes into my 'magic vortex' when i design a new system and picking components from dependable companies is No. 1. ( not to throw shade but am i the only one that laughs because it almost sounds like Hawk Tuah ?)
Noc-tua, put some fans on that thang
I've built 5 PCs and only used Fractal cases because of this. Their quality/price are on point and they continue to improve.
The "emotionally distraught Phil Spencer" clip was very moving. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it; that clip really is such a good example of how a _real_ and actual CEO should be.
@9:36 I Love the humour that you put into your Factual reporting :)
I watch GN and Paul's Tech News. Mostly the same news, different jokes. lol
"8K gaming" is complete BS. There aren't many 8K displays and the ones that do exist are extremely expensive, to the point where you could get a good 4K display and a high-end PC for the same price. The only real "use" for 8K at the moment is professional creative work and TVs for people with way too much money.
And PS5 can't even run most games at stable 1440p at stable 30fps. It will be game running at 720p with 30 fps upscale to 8k
I don't use anything less than 32 in when it comes to a monitor but I do render everything in 6K on a 4K monitor since it makes it look sharper.
I agree that what Sony did was 99% BS, buuuuut, I really REALLY don't like this "there aren't many 8K displays" argument. It's meaningless.
I mean, be real, if you see a commercial to an 8K display next, you'd say that that there's no 8K content, so why buy an 8K display ?
Also, a console like Playstation is not like an ice cream, it has a decently long lifespan. Maybe now there's not many 8K displays, but maybe there will be in 2 years time. They wanted to tell you that PS5 Pro is already prepared for that.
Yeah, but didn't you hear? According to Sony, you don't need an actual 8K display, you just need a 8K HDMI cable. That's it, now you're 8K gaming.
@@Winnetou17 How about this one then: To be able to perceive the difference you'd need to be gaming on a screen so massive that price should not be an issue to you.
Good morning Steve
yo!
Another amusingly relevant title over the side among some video recommendations... "This Will Crash The Video Game Industry"... so many things these past 5-10 years, so, so many things
Back to you Steve
Super smooth 60 fps? You mean like we had on the NES? Nice
9:54 see the funny thing about "growing" a business is that you can often do so by shrinking your workforce. If only there was some kind of overpaid managerial role that could have been cut instead 🤔
It won't be long before the Board of Directors will have a Fiduciary Duty to replace their CEO with an "Artificial Person."
@@antondovydaitis2261 that will NEVER happen. the CEO performs the very valuable role of being the fall guy when the product quality is so bad that it kills someone. ( mega bonuses when leaving - notwithstanding ) it also acts as the ultimate carrot to try and get middle management to shed any remaining human qualities to reach for the brass ring.
@@theorenhobart You make some good points, but I have a hard time believing that Tesla wouldn't be better off without $55 billion dollars worth of Elon Musk.
Lol Sony supports 8K the same way chinese projectors "support" 1080p/4k (only as input signals)
Thanks Steve.
The soldering iron is awesome. Up until now we had to use butane mini-torches with a soldering iron attachment for a portable solution which comes with its own issues.
Noctua still trying to do things right is a breath of fresh air. Reading Sony or Microsoft’s briefings in comparison is enough to make someone sick.
Did you know Noctua still offers FREE cooler adapters for old platforms? I recently received my second 1366 socket adapter, and am using it to mate their new LH12sx77 to a W3690 Xeon on a Rampage III Gene, for use with 48GB of triple channel ECC DDR3L. Yes, ECC DDR3 on a consumer board, with no mods! A useful stability improvement. Still an astonishingly viable system in 2024 barring AVX support, especially given Gulftown LOVES overclocking. Many X58 boards even have biosmods to support NVMe booting via a PCIe adapter, which even on PCIE 2.0 can reach around 3000-3600Mb/s r/w as opposed to the board’s native (effective) 250mb/s.
Thanks Steve. Back to you Steve.
That's why I pay more for their products because in the long run it turns out to be better. You will never get that from a minimum wage company that sells you a cheaper product that is comparable.
Overclocking a 130 W CPU with an NH-L12sx77 (NSPR 100)? Did I miss something?
And DDR3L? Probably not at 1.35 V then, I assume... (Even Sandy Bridge doesn't like DDR3L IME.)
Also, I'm pretty sure the limit for PCIe 2.0 x4 is ~1800 MB/s (5 Gbit/s x4), though obviously that's still nothing to sneeze at in this context.
With some overclocking the W3690 may just be sneaking past a Ryzen 3 4300G. That's obviously not much, but at least there still is _some_ overlap with modern(ish) parts. Back when it was new 14 years ago, the same exercise with a then-14-year-old dual PPro 200 would have been utterly hopeless. As in even a lowly Celeron 420 probably being a factor of 4-5 faster.
In a way it's heartwarming to see that there's still some mileage left in X58... well, heartwarming and room-warming. These rigs generally draw north of 100 W at idle, so maybe not the ideal daily driver...
@@PileOfEmptyTapes I have some tricks up my sleeve to squeeze just a little more out of this old CPU on a slim thermal budget. It won’t be much extra, but it will be something! Been having fun putting the system together so far.
And yes, DDR3L, it runs at 1.35 no problem. I will probably drop to 24GB so I can mess around with the clocks there too, see what I can do at the 1.5 they’re happy to run at without the stress of 6 DIMMs.
You can find plenty of NVMe benchmarks on PCIe 2.0, 3000-3600 is achieved pretty regularly. You might be right, but I personally know people who’ve made it happen and I’ve seen it for myself, so I should probably ask…
I do have a regular system too, but this is a passion project. My analogy would be to say compared to today’s refined commuter vehicles, the system I’m building is an old muscle car with a few modernizations. It’s still slower than a new Civic and there are features x58 is missing, but to bring it as close as possible to modernity without swapping out the whole drivetrain is the goal here, and ultimately it’s still impressively dailyable. Anything older than x58 dives hard into “antique” territory, but IMHO x58 just squeezes into modern usability and that’s what makes it fascinating to me. Building a fast x58 system in an SFF case has been a blast. It’s not done yet, but so far the thermals (with case mods) and overall performance and stability have been encouraging.
@@zf9903 Thermalright sells the same cooler for 1/4 the price. A 1/3 if we are being very generous. You are paying out the wazoo for that "niceness".
As cool as the Ifixit soldering iron is, I don't really see a benefit personally over pairing a Miniware TS80 with a good USB-C power bank.
Though I myself have a TS100 (older barrel jack model) I run from a modified laptop adaptor.
Such a modern compact soldering iron undeniably is useful, other volunteers at the repair café I run at were impressed by mine.
Missed your news man!
Thank you! We're catching up on everything the last couple weeks! Tons to cover.
The price for the ifixit soldering iron seems a bit steep. It doesn't seem to have enough extra features to warrant getting it over a pinecil with a PD powerbank.
Besides, they seem to use their own design of tips instead of designing it around readily available "standard" tips. Firmware is not open either - looks more like they're cashing in a bit on their brand.
What's wild about the PS3 vs PS5 pro is that, Sony themselves admitted that production costs of the PS3 fell by 70% only 3 years after release.
You can't say that about current tech anymore.
The launch PS3 was sold at a loss, but the PS3 slim was sold at a profit despite the $299 price tag.
0 regrets leaving consoles for PC.
I'll never go back.
Pretty much.
@@CmoIsDaNam3iPS4 era was my last "modern" console I'll ever buy, I have quite a few older consoles that have games I've never played. Modern gaming will be on PC for me.
PC, Steam Deck and switch is all you need
Besides Nintendo Switch 2, console has no chance against PC to stay relevant.
Zero regrets leaving PC for consoles.... my quality of life, and comfort in gaming has improved immensely - as has my bank balance (for the most part).
Steve is rapidly becoming known not just for his epic journalism but his standup comedic wit. Damn dude, you are hitting it out of the park on a regular basis xD
The entire idea of the "Chips Act" sounds good but is a bad approach. This allows the government to pick winners and losers and does not allow innovation by smaller companies as they cannot get these funds. Kevin O'Leary spoke to this and said a better approach would have been for the government to tell investors that any investments made into chip manufacturing in the US would be tax free for any returns for a 20 year period. This would have, in his opinion, seen a lot of money, more than the government offered, sunk into a ton of companies across the spectrum.
As big a fan as I am of the Biden-Harris Administration, you are correct.
it is plainly buying votes
Yeah I am not voting Democrats among other factors
@Aereto So someone who told a group of Cnristians on video that he would fix it so good that they wont have to vote again, just this one time, is a better option?
Go home Ivan. @@Aereto
Man, it's SO nice to be getting more GN videos again. Breath of fresh air.
I appreciated the Magic Missile joke. Needed that laugh to start the day.
I appreciate the cynicism towards Sony and Microsoft here. Sony are out of their minds, and Microsoft has just unfortunately never changed.
Do you know when they produce the Black G2 fans?
Hearting to bump this up. Currently, there's no release date. They mentioned to us at Computex that the black fans are a ways out. Noctua isn't putting as much on its roadmap these days since they were delaying so often to hit the mark.
@GamersNexus Awesome 👌 thanks for reaching out and letting us know. Always appreciate the content and the videos you and the team do. Here from OZ, love the video's brother!
suggesting that the G2 org mass produces their african american fanbase is outlandish and quite frankly disturbing.
@@jabronilifestyle Only in America.
@@jabronilifestyle lol
one of the main reason's i love noctua, they rarely have hardware issues, and when they do by the time i hear about it they already sorted it out excellently in some way or another
I recommend not buying the IFIXIT soldering iron without the station because if you want to adjust the temperature you would need to use a computer and there are other options, even "open-source" like the pinecil, that offer similar products for a fraction of a price. And even then, there is the main "problem" that a repairable solder uses should not use its own tips and let you buy from others so it seems it has some repairability in mind but not open source.
Love USB powered soldering irons. Just gives so much freedom on where and how to work when you don't need a wall outlet, and you can position stuff around freely. There are obviously lots of use cases, but one I see a lot of is RC enthusiasts using them to fix stuff on the field.
Lord Jensen is taking notes from Sony. Nvidia will be offering a 30 dollar 12VHPWR adapter with all their cards this generation, because once you have bought something, you're more willing to pay for the rest of it.
Love the editor work and the added humor to your videos. I like the old way also, but now I get chuckles also hehe heh. 👍
Pac-Man at 8K
Wow
Gran Turismo 7 is getting an 8K mode for PS5Pro, so probably more AAA games too, I guess? Doesn't seem like such a marketing bs tbh. The seperate bluray is a total bs, but that's another thing.
@@MrJonas7it's not real 8k is the problem, it's at most gonna be 4k upscaled. Him saying "pacman at 8k wow" is a joke at how it would take a simpler game like pacman to actually run at 8k
@@tyler6602 There's no reason for it to be upscaled, the base ps5 runs GT7 at native 4k at 60fps, and if you have vrr it can run at about 90fps at native 4k. So why exactly wouldn't be the much more powerful gpu of PS5Pro capable of running it at native 8K 60fps?
@@MrJonas7 More power to the GPU = Bottlenecking the CPU. You need the CPU to be able to process that. But it's not there...
@@GrindingMadness Increasing the resolution has nothing to do with the cpu...
WOW! Steve, you might be the only person I have ever seen pronouncing CD Projekt Red correctly. Attention to detail at it's finest and reason why I love GN
Eerily reminscient of when movies depicting tech stuff says things like "we tripled the RAM". Like, what does that mean for the nuances and interoperability that particular application?
Rattling sound it's not only NH-D15 Gen2. I also have it on gen 1 NH-D15S after I simply cleaned the cooler. The root cause is that the Noctua made the fins out of very thin crappy aluminium sheets and it easily starts vibrating when fan is at higher RPM. Especially the top-most fins and their side connectors. Coolers that use thicker fins do not have this kind of issues (like D14 for example). The solution is to just press hard on the side connectors (where fins are attached to each other) with something made out of hard plastic or non-metalic in general so it doesn't damage the stack. Once you go over the stack couple of times the rattling/ringing will be fixed.
What Microsoft lied about their plans to layoff workers? Oh no if only someone could have predicted that 2 megacorps merging was a bad thing 😂
A much higher marginal tax rate would discourage these kind of mergers.
The Pinecil soldering iron is very similar, extremely portable and a vital part of my Electronics toolkit for a few years now. Runs nice off a USB battery pack
Your comment about their claims of "8k Gaming" applies equally for 4k too. These consoles arent rendering games at native 4k and they never will. Its all variable resolution, textures, frame rate, fake nonsense.
Technically, there should be plenty of games that should work natively at 4K, maybe even at 120Hz. Like PS 4 era games, or simply games that are 2d (Stardew valley?) or have just basic 3D (Minecraft?)
It's true that for these games, playing in 4K or 8K doesn't really provide a meaningful benefit.
@@Winnetou17 those games don't have 4k textures, therefore not playing natively in 4k. upscaled textures = non-native.
that’s not the same thing as the game outputting at 4k. Lots of textures in games, even last gen are capable of texture detail that will look perfectly fine, the 4k output resolution will make it look sharper and better. 😊
Yeah this whole thing is a bad joke. We finally have power for high framerates and high resolutions, but instead we wasted it on ray tracing to get slightly better reflections and shadows that are barely noticeable. But this destroys the framerate, so to fix it we lower the resolution and then upscale it with awful technologies like FSR, DLSS, or PlayStation's upcoming pisser. But this destroys the image quality with loads of nasty artifacts everywhere. So now I'm playing a game that looks drastically worse and I'm not even noticing or appreciating the ray tracing, I'm just distracted and put off by the soft image and all the artifacts.
Just let me turn off ray tracing and enjoy rasterized graphics with high framerates and high resolution. I don't want ray tracing. I don't want upscaling. Let me get rid of it.
(obviously I can on PC, but on console you can't always turn it off)
It's even the case for PCs at 4k. I run a heavily OC'd RTX4090+7800X3D system at 3440x1440 (2x the demand of normal 1440p, 2x less than 4k). While 95.33% (repeating of course) of games I can run at my native res/max quality with over 60FPS, there have been a handful that I cannot consistently maintain above 60FPS at without any form of DLSS (which invalidates the res as Steve said). So 4k would be even worse.
Meanwhile they keep making and people keep buying 4k monitors, on significantly lowered spec'd systems than mine expecting such results.
Basically native 4K gaming on current PC hardware for demanding (or at least un-optimised AAA games) is already basically untenable unless you really have a high tolerance for terrible FPS, let alone 8K.
Doesn't help that people also constantly think bigger number better for refresh rates either, even though they're never going to get close to hitting the FPS needed to saturate something like 480hz+. It will only make gsync struggle harder to maintain smoothness. Unless you're a competitive gamer playing on min possible settings for highest possible FPS or something.
9:41 caught me off guard while sipping a hot tea. Nice one Steve and GN team 😂😂😂
Sony is doing great work for the PC Master Race. More people will buy PCs now rather than pay $700 for negligible upgrades.
No they won't - they're like iphone people and will continue to purchase no matter the price.
The PS5 Pro - $700 stand - $30 The disc drive - $80 and then you pay $80 each year to play on line you look at best part $90 you on lineis free on PC your look that the cost good midrange PC
If people wouldn't buy high price we wouldn't have scalpers. Think about that.
@LakerTriangle We'll see in 6 months. I'll be back.
LOL you have never met people before. You were born yesterday. Good luck with that BS
As an early adopter of a ps5 (with disk drive), I would have to pay €950 for the pro to keep playing my games.
€800 for the base model
€120 for the disk drive
€30 for the vertical stand
For me it's simple. While every ps console and the ps4 pro upgrade was an instant buy for me, I'll skip this upgrade.
The price, lack of exclusive games (games that actually use the features of the ps5 like astro bot) and the push to digital only, make this a very hard sell.
Also, the disk drive has to be activated online in order to be used, which makes me wonder how many years it can be used.
I'll just put the money aside for a future upgrade of my pc when needed.
Mayne not including the stand was an effort by sony to try and prevent users from keeping the playstation vertical, since that caused problems with the thermal paste, while still giving the option anyway to those that really want a stand for their console.
Still bad practice of course to offer it if thats the case anyhow, but its interesting to speculate.
Update: I looked up the thermal paste thing online to make sure I was saying the right things, and most people are saying that was a rumor or a partial rumor. Does anyone know more about that?
This was an issue with the very first version of the PS5, this is not really an issue anymore - the PS5 slim didn't come with a stand either. I think because most people do keep it horizontally, they just realised they can monetise it a bit.
The first edition PS5 physically couldn't be on its side. The stand was an answer to a terrible oversight
Speaking of Noctua, my $35 Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE is keeping my 7800X3D from going over 68 C.
Lol great work noctua. Just great.
I still remember a big part of why I bought a PS2 was because it came with a DVD player. At the time I think it was around the same price as a DVD player but you got to play PS2 games too! :D And the PS2 was my only DVD player for a long time. Then the same with the PS3 and Blu-ray. I think I might not buy any more Sony or MS consoles now. If Nintendo keeps bringing out consoles that use cartridges I'll keep buying those. Otherwise it's GOG/DRM free PC games for me.
to be fair ps5 is that with 4k blu ray. the only thing its missing from a 500 dollar blu ray player is dolby vision but thats because sony doesnt want to pay the licensing
Thanks for the video, it's been a long day and the topics here were interesting to hear about.
Noctua : Give you 3 choice of RMA methods, answer very quickly on every social media
EK : Problem with employees, Retiring from EU (French) Amazon store, Don't answer to e-mail for RMA issues, don't give you the invoice for your purchase
Well, i know what i need to do, put my EK CR360 Nucleus Dark in the trash and buy a big Noctua Air Cooler.
I wish people would remember the good things, like these, that Noctua does when they question that some cooler is quite expensive. They really provide proper long term support.
@@Winnetou17 anyway arctic, nzxt and a lot of brands are still good but actually, it's kinda funny to compare EK with Noctua because i have one of their product on my pc lol
Steve , small slip up: at 1:45 you quoted specs and said "28% more memory", while the text said 28% faster memory. Love your stuff bro
I understand the importance of having domestic chip manufacturing, but in no way should Intel be entitled to the money if Samsung and TSMC can do the job better
well Steve hinted at the rationale and it is sound. the negative impact will be a massive price increase to pay for US labour costs. which will cause a negative spiral in decreased revenue and in turn causing decreased R&D affecting future products ( delays etc. ). this may finally put the wooden stake in Moore's Law
Could we not just incentivize these companies to make chips here? Literally tell TSMC we will build factories here for them. Are they going to turn that down?
Instead we give $ to Intel, who will likely just burn it, and we will end up with nothing.
@@theorenhobart You really think Labor is the reason? That's got to be such a small % of the overall cost.
Still rocking that anniversary T-shirt, took a bit to get in but man, is it nice :).
Back at you, Steve!
How does it work without a stand? The original PS5 requires the stand for the horizontal position too
it doesn't have to be vertical
@@jamesbyrd3740 Yes, and the original PS5 doesn't have to be vertical either. But you're supposed to use the stand to set it horizontally. Without it, it doesn't even sit stable, and the plastic gets scratched. Ironically, setting it _vertically_ works fine without a stand as the white plastic is a very stable base, though it can still get scratched that way
Just got notified that this was uploaded "4 minutes ago" but it's been live for 6 days, thanks youtube!
Massive respect to the - for the lack of more victorian style writing and prose - tasteful shitposting to spice up the news.
Really love your content guys. Keep doin great work!
Why charging 400$ when you can charge 800$ and customer buys it anyway? Guys, vote with your wallet. If you want it, buy it. But don't get mad when they keep raising the prices for literally no difference in performance.
Not sure how confident Intel is with even outsourcing their GPU chips to TSMC. Didn't seem like the most clever move to me. They also stopped their chip facility construction in Germany.
I think what they mean by “8K Gaming” is the total cost you can expect to spend to buy the system, accessories, and a game.
“Apple levels of walled dystopian reality distortion field” marketing. 😂😂😂
2ndEd DnD is the king....never moving on from that.
Garbage!
Please tell me how THAC0 is a good idea.
CalTech-MIT D&D (AKA Warlock) was better before there even was an AD&D.
Kids these days....
@@antondovydaitis2261 :) yeah I don't like thaco calc...I do remember the old DnD paper back stuff :)..I guess you must be in you late 60's if I'm a kid :)
@@nowherebrain Paperbacks? Paperbacks!
The CalTech-MIT D&D WE played was distributed on the ARPANET, and we had to print it out on huge sheets of green and white striped paper with guide holes on either side, in all capital letters that didn't quite line up straight.
And we LIKED it that way!
@@antondovydaitis2261 :) lol..okay, you want me to say you win? Because I'm not even familiar with that..but it's clear you are trolling :) good luck. why is your channel not older?..
@@nowherebrain Hey! I'm just being a cranky old man!
One small note. I think they've done it to you quite a few times.
In the US, prices are announced before taxes, and in the EU after!
In the EU, where I'm from, the price of electronics is taxed at 15% to 22%, depending on which country you're in. It should be noted that if I buy a product from a neighboring country with a lower tax rate, I will not be charged additional fees in mine. ;)
Ultimately, however, prices in Europe are lower than in the US.
700 * 1.15.... 805 (in our neighboring country) in our country it is 20%
Intel just canceled the German FAB in Magdeburg. Govermnent funding is already secured and will probably be spent on another project if INTEL cant get cash.
Now THAT'S how u run a business ! /s
Dood Magic Missile is one of the most underrated 1st level spells from 3.5 once maxed, etc!!
I'm just happy to hear we are getting more competition into the GPU side, keeping fingers crossed that they will get somewhere and lead to better pricing/power efficiency/performance in the long haul
At 1:46, the Text says 28% *faster* memory, but Steve says: 28% *more* memory………
Arch user bdw
There are already portable soldering irons that use USBC, like the TS100\101, which I've had for years; and iFixit stopped selling. And there are additional tips available, including a hot knife tip that is useful for cutting cordage. I've used mine with a USB PD power bank (rated for the wattage of the iron) with no issues.
I wish all the PS5 Pro scalpers would have so much pro product that nobody one buys it this holiday season :)
A battery powered soldering iron is very useful when replacing calibration backup batteries in test equipment. It needs to be powered so it doesn't lose the (very expensive) Calibration data and the tip of a soldering iron is earthed, so you will ground fault if you attempt to solder it.
I filled up the onboard storage and 1tb add-in ssd of my ps5 instantly, and had to get an external hdd for all my ps4 games. 2tb is not a lot these days due to games being absolutely massive.
Finally someone who gives real information. Thank.
That price for the ps5 pro lacking disc drive and stand is a scam outright
Here's another hit to your head; You heard how printer companies makes money selling inks and not the printers? Look at Sony's DualSense Edge with their "stick modules".
$200+ price hike for a slightly better gpu, while taking away over $100 in previously included components is completely f’d. Sony is out of their mind.
still better than the ROG ally
@@kemkoeut5924 ASUS down bad
@@godnamedtaycrazy part, people will still buy it
The first NH D15 rattled too. I had to put thin rubber grommets onto the motherboard holes before I installed the cooler to stop it rattling away lol.
so many people complaining about the price of the console, yet so many people were out there paying 800+ scalped prices for the original playstation. Consumers cannot have it both ways. Sony saw how desperate people can get and they would be crazy not to capitalise on it. Keep buying consoles from scalpers, and none of us can ever have any nice things
stupid "people were out there paying 800+ scalped prices for the original playstation" 5
These are completely different market conditions. People aren't locked indoors looking for things to pass the time. It's not a brand new console generation where people were hoping for new games and experiences which eventually failed to come about. No one is that hyped for this bullshit model refresh.
@@xmlthegreatI am.
You'd want to be stunned by the vistas as they render at 1.24 frames a minute.
23:56
Remember guys: Steve is NOT suicidal
The only problem I have with the Fixhub is that it's significantly more expensive than the ubiquitous Pinecil. And if you use it standalone, it's not quite as convenient to change the temperature (which I sometimes find myself having to do when soldering thick gauge wires/posts vs. thinner gauge wires).
6:38 "...this is how we end up in BS arms races where one vendor puts a stupid sticker on the box and the other does it too, because if they don't the uninformed consumer looks at it and goes 'but this one has the sticker and that one doesn't therefore I buy this one now'..." - a succinct summary of how we got here with ray tracing nonsense.
2010 - I bought the NH-D14
2019 - free Noctua AM4 adapter kit to use NH-D14 still
2024 - Noctua NH-D15 G2 costs how much?
2024 - bought the "Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE" for $35USD (idling 350RPM, quiet under heavy load. Yay!)
(*Just FYI, but there was maybe a 2 or 3 degree difference in normalized tests between the NH-D14 (added proper PWM fans not 3-pin) and the Thermalright cooler. That doesn't seem like much, but my Noctua NH-D14 seemed to be hitting its max cooling potential so the fans would ramp up to try to keep it under the max 83degC I'd set. I speculated the Thermalright would make an actual big difference under heavy load. And it did. So all my noisy spikes disappeared and sustained, heavy CPU load on R9-3900x (130Watts?) is maybe 700RPM at room ambient 20degC. And case fans at 500RPM (case fans idle at 300RPM))
$1200ish to play games still optimized for the PS4 is insane.
the shrek thing really caught me off guard well done.
4:39 The PS5 HDMI connector supports 8K bandwidth but the console itself has never been capable of outputting anything beyond 4K, so the 8K branding on the box has always been 100% false marketing. And before anyone rushes in with the bs Touryst comment, Touryst only renders internally at 8K but can only output at 4K because that's a hardware limitation.
Touryst! Yeah. That was the only one I remember making any kind of deal about '8K gaming.'
Great video as usual!