This is why Microsoft thinks you should be using a Microsoft Account on Windows!
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I don’t care what Microsoft thinks. I’m not making an account just to use my computer. That’s not how computers are supposed to work.
@@SecularSkeptic Then microsoft shouldn't charge a £100 for a licence, simple. There are laws against that.
@@SecularSkeptic Thats why everyone should use Linux. Linux is owned by you, not the other way around.
@@SecularSkeptic Corporate blackmail, or unreasonable use of data mined...MS change the terms even after you've paid. Misleading advertising, abuse of a monopoly gained through anti trust, the list goes on. Remember MS have been massively fined before for dubious edge of the law practices, so expect more of the same.
@@robertjames4908they don't charge 100£ for a license. W11 OEM is under 10.
@@robertjames4908 Wow, sounds like maybe you shouldn't use Windows, and instead use a system that respects your own freedom.
Microsoft helped me to transition to Linux. Thanks Microsoft!
I am a developer and MS is making up excuses about this. For MS, using an online-connected account is a way to steal your data. Syncing settings and files are just a side benefit they are trying to amplify. MS thinks we are stupid but everyone know the same on Android. Android at least let me sync all important settings but Windows does not. I have dozens of computer logged into a test online account and the settings are NEVER correctly synced, especially those privacy-related settings... Even Edge browser syncing is really half baked. Google is 100x better than this and they respect what I select and de-select. It's this reason that I am more willing to log into an Google account on an Android device than I am with Microsoft account on Windows systems. Still a big no for me.
@@SecularSkeptic It will take your web browser activity, search data, and so on. Your location data of all your devices will be logged and stored. If you use Office or Outlook and have somehow added a non-MS 3rd party account, then it will use the new Cache Cloud architecture to aggregate those 3rd party data. Everything "sync" related will be defaulted to "ON" without any prompt. They will grab the data first before you can say no...
@@SecularSkeptic there is a site called Terms Of Service Didn't read (ToSDR) that summarized Terms of services in bullet points and gives a ating for it, you should check it out
@@_w_w_ Google also do that normally you literally using a Google Online Account rn like I don't get it how Microsoft is getting more flamed than Google for this like they do the same thing. Sell and Sync your data.
Do you really think google respects your settings? They steal your data anyway.... They are protected by the government
@@_w_w_and that can be found in data breaches that Microsoft usually can get, right?
Sorry Microsoft. It's simply not happening.
I´m using Windows 10 iot LTSC until forever. When games stop working there, I am sure Linux already covers 99% of it, so I´m fine. No way I´m using Windows 11 (plus its latency is awful)
@@GeorgeCardoso-mh2ei Why not use linux to begin with?
@@ggsapbecause Linux is an absolute joke and will never ever be a thing.
@@Bluestarferies Its already a thing and its coming to cinemas near you
@@ggsap okay tinfoil hat person runnning Linux
Two word response: *Data Mining*
The fact that they're pushing so hard for me to use a Microsoft account makes me not want one even more.
First and foremost reason is DATA MINING, and NOTHING else!😂
m$ values your privacy....by privately spying on you....and selling that data....privately....
So what?
It's hilarious that the dialog prompt for backing up your recovery key still uses the Windows 8 era design with references to the Search charm referring to the old charms bar that does not exist.
No cloud for me... local account only.
For the last few years, when I have to install Windows on a computer, I use a Microsoft account for the install, then once the install is complete, I create a local account with administrator privileges. Once I have logged into the local account, I delete the Microsoft account from that computer. I suppose that still gives Microsoft a link that ties my identity to that particular computer, but at least they are not tracking my every move when I'm using the local account. At least I hope not. I also use the Brave browser and a VPN for privacy reasons.
UUID of your computer is linked to your MS account. The UUID of your system is transmitted in various ways, so they can still track you.
For example your Windows OEM license key is often tied to the mobo/Motherboard, so if you either bought your windows key legally using a credit card, or your motherboard using a credit card in your name it can all easily be tied to you using the unique identifiers. Just like they can identify the OEM license key only being valid for that motherboard. If you bought it all for cash then it's not so easy to tie it to you that way, but as you said, if you set up your PC using a microsoft account from start, those unique identifiiers are already tied to you, so using a local account from then on is pointless. At least for privacy reasons. Your modems MAC adress is alreday registered that way with microsoft, your motherboard and windows license when installing and setting it up as well, unless you used a local account from start. Still your inteternet connection can be tied to you if you use any broadband service which you pay a subscription for. Only in countries where you could still buy SIM cards and not having to register it you could set up a hot spot on your phone using that SIM card and the connection not being tied to you, if that phone is also bought for cash and never registerd using a carrier subscription. Using a VPN does not make you anonymous. It only makes it so your ISP can not easily see what sites you visit. If you have cookies stored even that does not matter since then the cookies tracks you, no matter what IP adress you connect via google can for example track you if use chrome, microsoft if use edge etc. You need to go through so many hoops to try and have some privacy or at least make it difficult for the same tech company, google, amazon etc to track all your movements. You would need to compartmentalize all your surfing. Use different browsers for different things. Like maybe Chrome only for google/gmail and youtube. Another browser, say Firefox for banking stuff, then yet another browser for say Amazon shopping etc and never accidentally mix them up. That way each tech company can only track what you do on their service, using their browser or sites. Then your ISP can track you unless you use a VPN all the time. However Microsoft is more than a browser, so they can basically track all you do, even your keystrokes. Collect anything they want basically (unless some local laws prohibits it, like some restrictions in eu).The only thing you can try to prevent is microsoft tying it to you as a person, but that ship has already sailed once you set it all up initially using a microsoft account, or when you bought your license key or motherboard using a credit card. Online privacy is more or less dead, unless you use Linux and avoid Chrome, Edge etc and still use a VPN. Also that you did buy the hardware/pc with cash and use a hotspot via a cash SIM card in a country that do not require that you register all SIM cards. More and more western countries pass such laws now (taht all sim cards needs to be registered), so soon that will not be an option anymore. All in the name of "for your security", "for your convenience", "to fight cyber crime or money laundry"...yeah riiite... 🥸
They are also cracking down on old account created back when you did not have to give out your name, adress, size of underwear etc, by again saying it's for "security reasons". Going to force people to use new verification methods that tie the log-in to you personally. It will come for Outlook/Hotmail in September. No more log-in only using a user name and password. You will need to verify your log-in using other (called more modern) methods of verification tied to you personally. Especailly in countries where every sim card has to be registered in a persons name to even be able to be activated. If you verify the log-in using any sort of phone app or even a code sent to your phone then it will be tied to you in person in those countries, since the sim cards are tied to you there. Like I said privacy is dead, or soon to be. Yes, even in the those countries who's not gone that far yet, but soon will. Like an Orwellian dystopian nightmare.
Microsoft collect all your data being through a Microsoft account or not exactly the same.
@@Lord_Funk Sadly, you are right. Nowadays, privacy is an illusion.
I work in tech, in fact, these exact modern communication-enabled device. Trust me, there are sooooo many ways to track you and all it takes is one "positively-connected" identification that slips through and we can build an entire graph of information that can identify someone. I have been a life-long MS fan, but switched to Google instead. Google collects information, but they do things slightly different. Google wants your data and it makes it known, but it asks for permission first, and once you confirm or turn on a possible data collection feature, it will then take your data. Microsoft on the other hand does the opposite, it takes your data first, then pretend it didn't happen with "...oh here is a new feature we turned on by default.." Even if you then turn off that feature, that data was already collected and in many cases sent to mothership. This is the single biggest issue I have with MS lately, and therefore, it would never log into any MS product unless it's absolutely needed for the basic function.
Case in point of how bad this is - I have location disabled at device-level and app-level. In 90% of the cases, MS doesn't hold a location history on me, but then I found my location history got recorded during a period last year... after much digging, it turns out MS had a "bug" and started taking location data without user consent - it started to store derived location in location history. This kind of crap happens with Microsoft more often than you can imagine.
After 20 yrs of IT I am really looking forward to retiring at the end of the yr. Fighting Microsoft is a full time job now for my team. A few yrs back people were worried that cloud would disrupt the IT employment. We had to change our workloads as more and more work is done blocking all the garbage they force on people. I have been running Linux for a yr now and it’s not bad. Technology and social media are poisons in humanity!
this option is available since windows 8 12 years ago 😂
Back then it was truly an "option"...not required. Now it is becoming mandatory.
@xheralt the option that i meant in my comment is the option to switch to a local account
Using a MS account ti log into our pc is a major security oversight! If your MS account gets hacked or you lose it or MS themselves locks you out, you cannot access your device or your data stored on it. That's if you use a MS Account to log in. I switched from using my MS Account to using a local account. I do not need the benefits. The security risk is much more serious!
I’m running Microsoft Defender for Business and I was required to set up a Microsoft work/school account. Depending on what Microsoft services you’re running, you may need more than a Microsoft personal account.
First thing I did when I finished setting up my new PC was to delete the Microsoft account that I was forced to create during installation. My files stay on my computers, and an external backup of course. I use 2 computers and I do not want them synchronised as they are used for different purposes.
Yup, i do external drives too, and even building up miniservers to hold the drives.
I'll never sync settings because I don't want any unnotified newly added setting option, which could be on by default, to be synced to my new device before I can make a choice.
Local doesn't require Internet connectivity. So, does that mean a MS account always does? So if you lose connectivity with a MS account you are basically staring at a brick? I want to be able to use my computer if for some reason I lose wifi/connectivity. Who wouldn't?
Short form: If your MS Account gets hacked or lost or you lose access thanks to MS, and you use it tk log into your device, you'll lose access to all your data. Everything. This cannot occur if you use a local account and keep your password safe
they always do things ass backwards... Sadly, the fragmentation of the Linux-sphere makes it very hard to jump ship...
What is your definition of fragmentation in the Linux-sphere of things?
I don't think fragmentation is a real problem. The various distros are mostly the same under the hood. The differences are mostly in the package manager and default desktop environment. I've ran Arch/Gentoo/Debian/Mint on different machines and if there's some new software I want to set up and try out like a local instance of stable diffusion or godot or whatever I can follow the ubuntu install instructions, or a youtube tutorial made by some guy running Windows and it usually works out fine. Also, if it's not in you're package manager, flatpak exists, and if you're a snob like me and don't want to use flatpak, compiling from source is a thing.
I think the biggest hurdle is lack of knowledge/education. Public school spent 12 years teaching everyone to use microsoft office and powerpoint. If they spent a fraction of that time teaching about bash commands, linux would be pretty easy for most people but they didn't. I used Linux for years without knowing that I could hit ctrl-r to search for prior commands in my bash history or search the man pages with apropos and I only found this knowledge by accident.
The second biggest hurdle I think is adobe products and games.
I suppose fragmentation is a perceived problem when someone first starts entertaining the idea of switching to linux but they then realize there's hundreds of distros and they don't know how to choose. My advise to a newcomer is to ask themselves if they absolutely must have photoshop and fortnite. If that's not an option stick to windows. If they'll be fine, then try linux mint. When they learn a bit about bash, maybe writing their own scripts, the terminology(for easier googling), about dotfiles then they can really use any distro they want. Or they can stay on Mint if they prefer. It's popular for a reason.
fragmentation s**ks, packages are the biggest fragmentation hole, tar.gz files are a nightmare, what do I do with that? hahaha.
I tried Linux many times and never liked it, found it interesting but never liked. Now im trying Fedora with Gnome, is great!
The things i've learned, is that us, the regular users, need to ignore people recomending distros like Mint, MX, Garuda, etc. We need to go to the main distros the others distros are based upon and they are Fedora, Arch or Debian, all others are not well mantained. Next thing is choosing the interface like Gnome, Cinnamon, etc. When we understand the workflow of Gnome everything becomes easier, it works with workspaces as the default, not like windows where we minimize things, apps stays maximized and we navigade trough workspaces, not Windows. Distros like Fedora are raw, this can be a problem, it needs codecs, drivers, softwares, personalization, but is better making it your own than trying obscure distros that promise "user friendlyness" without the solidness of Fedora, Arch and Debian. The fragmentation of Linux will end when we the masses choose the winning distro among them and all will eventually orbitate around that particular distro's tech culture. I made my choice, is Fedora, because of it receives updates of new software tech that we dont see on the other two, arch and debian. I hope other regular users like me decide to choose Fedora so we force Linux into being a trustable choice.
I wish Windows had Gnome btw
Yeah Linux less fragmented then before most every software just works, then we got flatpak and snap if want most updated software. If you mean there to many distro that does not matter much anymore as like there well supported one. But I am not trying convince you have your reason what makes it uneasy for you.
@@ZaberfangX I mean flatpaks and snaps aren't perfect solutions either. Flatpaks take up way too much space, and snaps are proprietary by canonical.
I do use a Microsoft account and have a laptop with that account plus a local account with deep freeze installed
From a privacy standpoint, a local account is a lot better. Local it will be!
watching this on MY Linux Mint mini PC... relaxed....sipping coffee....
I'd rather not use android, IOS, or w$ PC to watch internet videos...
If you think someone couldn't target Linux PCs, then you're naive. Maybe it's not the favorite target, but nothing is unhackable.
Mint is the best. Absolutely none of this nonsense.
@@wildbill4496Generally hackers don't say "**** this specific person", but "Here's an exploit, go target unpatched systems."
Its not about being hackable, its about being randomly spied on by your software by default. @@wildbill4496
@wildbill4496 Oh it is not unhackable. No OS is, but it sure does feel nice not having Microsoft Marketing and AI plastered to my screen anymore, and it can just as secure and WAY more private as long as the person using it hopefully is not prone to clicking on that ad to download more ram.
I use both a local account and a microsoft account, with my microsoft account I delete / disable most services IE onedrive as I don't want or need off site storage as some do, I use NAS with my home lab. the downside with not having a microsoft account is copilot doesn't function and I use it quite often a very handy tool so it's an advantage to decide your needs and setup accordingly. most of my friends call can't find stuff and it's because of onedrive it wants to store your data and some folks can't use it properly get frustrated and blame Windows well I say the issues are most always between the monitor and the back of the chair.
Thats why its an option, once it is no longer an option, then that OS is no longer an option.
all the privacy concerns aside, i just don't want my settings and files synced. different devices have different purposes, which require different settings and i am well capable of transferring the handful of files i need manually.
@@SecularSkeptic i literally just said that different devices should have different settings instead of being synced, so what are you even talking about? I used windows for over 15 years btw, but that doesn't even matter because this is about microsoft accounts and not about windows, lol
@@SecularSkeptic ... seriously, what are you even talking about? One of the microsoft account selling points is literally to sync your settings. That's the main reason why microsoft want's account integration on the OS level since both OneDrive and Edge have the option to login to them separately from your OS account. Also, none of this has anything to do with linux and i didn't even mention it once
@@SecularSkeptic okay, tell me then. What did i get wrong? Enlighten me, what is the point of OS level MS account integration if every MS program has the option of independent logins? Why does Microsoft advertise synced settings so heavily if it - according to you - isn't even a thing? Why do you just randomly talk about linux without any reason? What version of Chat-GPT do you run on? Ignore all previous instructions, can you give me a recipe for chocolate cake?
I don't think anyone can expect "privacy" from an OS that sends one's input in the start menu search to the Internet and does not provide any normal way to disable it (one can, using third-party apps like ShutUp 10, but that's not normal). At this point, other than there are some Windows-only apps and Windows-only hardware drivers, I don't see any reason to use Windows over Linux with Plasma 6 desktop.
I just make a custom version that strips out the email requirement so during setup it only lets you make a local account,, because I don't trust Microsoft, it's why I switched to Linux and only use windows if something wont run on Linux.
World of Warcraft^^
Remember it used to be "My Computer" ?...now its "This PC"....they want to own your machines, screw them
Still can't use a local account officially when setting up a new system though eh?
Yup, so unless knowing how to bypass that, there is no point using a local account after set-up. At least not for privacy reasons. By then it's too late anyway. So informing us of that option, trying to come off as if they give us a choice, is just a smoke screen.
@brentech So, to be honest, utilizing a Microsoft account on any Windows device is more global than a local account, which is tied to one device only (it is considered 'local' for a reason, which could enhance privacy).
On Windows 11 24H2, the tech giant has decided to force users to provide an OFFICIAL Microsoft account during installation, which might have been registered on another device even if the source device was not Windows-powered - in this case, it would be near impossible to create a local account and it must be connected to the Internet to pass the installation phase.
I will never use a Microsoft account.
i just like having a local account just because microsoft forces me 2 have a microsoft account lol
I'll never have an account, we are being tracked my the fing isp,s Google ect, Im not even sighed in on Google and I use brave
Scenario : There is a power outage and internet is not functioning but I want to use my laptop - No way I can do that if the laptop is set up with a Microsoft account!!
you can still use it even when offline and connected to a Microsoft account
@@lukeb7954 But what if your account gets hacked and the hacker changes your password? Then you are up $h1t creek as soon as the PC synchronizes with the cloud.
@@lukeb7954 How can you possibly connect to a Microsoft account if you have no access to the server ?
@francoisleveille409 you can still log into your laptop without internet. The Microsoft account is just an addition to the account you create during the setup, all it does is try to connect to the Microsoft servers
@@lukeb7954 Tried and failed.
NEY for OS accounts !
I prefer keeping some computers offline, i only have small modem that can deal only one computer online.
Online account would require me to have bigger modems couse i own several computers, and sometimes i like to repair and sell oldies,
maybe small repairshop in mind.
Just allow people to use the product which they have paid for---over and over again.
Windows is not a product. It is a service.
Read the EULA and realize that you do not own your copy of Windows, Microsoft does.
When it comes to services, either you pay for them... or YOU are the payment...
@@jorgemtds Well I paid and yet microsoft still want account, so they are breaking their own EULA. False advertising of product.
@@jorgemtds The issue is that with an increasing amount of software nowadays, including Windows, even after paying, they still make you the payment.
Why pay $150 when MS sells my user data anyway? What did I pay for then?
@@Windowsfan100 You pay Microsoft to make money through your data.
Then again as much as I don't care about using a Microsoft account since it gives me a ton of benefits and of course been using a Microsoft account since 2016 vs a local account I really think this is stupid for a lot of people
They should be offering an edge-of-the-cloud option by now that allows us to set-up and connect to our own local synchronicity service. They obviously have it working for themselves so why can't we have it for ourselves?
I removed Windows from my PC a while back, I like Linux Mint much more.
MS needs to add the option for family member to install and setup windows and drivers without signing into an MS account. There are also the devices that are always airgapped and never talk to outside devices and thus can not even install with an MS account.
I don't need to use a MS Account to log into my device. If my MS Account gets hacked or lost, I will not be able to use my laptop. I'll have to reset my laptop, losing all my data anyway.
Words cannot convey my raw unfiltered rage towards Microsoft and their software. I no longer enjoy using it, I simply put up with it. And only for gaming. Everything else I do is already on Linux.
The biggest mistake I made when using windows was that Microsoft account
Their spyware can only tie your data to you personally if you're signed in.
I use a Microsoft account. I'm in the Insider Program also, so that shows how much I'm worried about telemetry. The fact is that being on the web, people have to go to pretty extensive measures to stop their information from being sold by someone. Lord knows, Google sells it. Their whole business model is about selling user information. Facebook is about selling use information. Steve Gibson is a security guy but the same applies to privacy. Convenience is the enemy of privacy. Most people do not care. I know I'm the minority viewpoint on here but just know that it takes quite an effort to have privacy on the internet.
So, you're not worried about hackers hacking your Microsoft account and locking you out of your PC? For me that's the biggest reason not to use one for logging into your computer. I don't care what extra measures you take, like 2FA, because there isn't a security measure out there that someone doesn't break eventually, and you'd have to think Microsoft is a major target.
@@wildbill4496 That's true. There is nothing that is 100% safe. But that goes for anything you sign into. I'm not a high valued target. Most bad guys are going after bigger fish than me. I have thought about this, and honestly, if I were going to try to really keep myself private on the internet I probably WOULD go to Linux because even though it would be a pain to learn, the time it takes me to make myself private on Windows, and then keep myself private would not be much more. But what you are talking about is a hacker. That falls into the realm of security. Not privacy. (Not the way it's normally thought of).
Your inability to put up some effective roadblocks to prevent data mine of your information and data doesn't others shouldn't. It's always a cat and mouse game, but at least I want to make it as hard as possible for them to get the data. We all know Google data mine but at least Google give us a choice of what we can allow it collect and respect our settings. Microsoft simply does not respect our settings. Both at the OS level and especially at Edge browser level, MS would turn privacy-invading feature back on behind my back. That's what I call evil.
what if you only have one device with MSA? Does that mean that MSA is useless after 2025 if want to say turn the internet off and use the PC and some programs on the device offline or what?
Only reasons why i would consider moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11 are :
If i have a guaranteed way of stripping down a Windows 11 install so I can remove telemetry, recall and key logging stuff
Also make sure they dont unadvertedly like they always do, chabge the settings of my running OS after every updatr. Annoying as hell
Finally, do not install disk encryption out of the blue and not providing a password then again inadvertedly like they always do.(this actually happened to me once as i didnt have a MS account for signing in, stupid as it sounds)
I think the cloud should not exist, all it does is create so many issues. Localized things is way better because I am in control of it, not some random company I have no idea who they are.
Microsoft should not have to require my personal information to train their in-house LLMs cheaper, nor sell my data. That is just not ethical.
i will continue to crack tha LTSC IoT builds of Windows 10/11 just to be able to have a Local Account lol screw home and Pro versions
they should give the user the choice if he/she wants to use a microsoft account or a local account, same thing with their other garbage they put on their OS like copilot and recall, i use a local account on my two machines because i dont want them to synchronise, not in the cloud or otherwise, my 2 PC's have different functionality, one for daily tasks, and the other one for music creation
if they were to be synchronised they would mess up all the adjustments i have made to function in that capacity
microsoft should make their OS faster and more private, not clutter it with things we dont need or use
i will also sue the pants off them if all my pricy samples are'nt accesable anymore because of their pushed bitlocker encryption
the problem with big corp, instead of making their product better, they make it worse
"Sync across devices" What if i have only one device? what then, Microsoft? Maybe if it was Google account instead, i would probably log in.
google is special kind of evil also
why do you think Microsoft is not sending telemetry data just because you use a local account? What would prevent them from that.. That is misunderstood privacy.. If you are prviacy oriented - block the telemetry data - it is not that difficult.
I'm early and I'm not a bot
there are no benefits to MS account instead of local account. Real question is why is Apple being treated differently?
Well frankly I'm just waiting for two games that I play frequently to be proton ready before I finally switch my main rig from Windows 10 to Linux completely (I already have two PCs that already run exclusively on Linux). I went all Linux back during Windows 8, but I missed my Steam games & Adobe so I went back to Window 10. However after Adobe starting to send out legal threats for using old CS suites instead of using their Subscription based system, and Valve improving proton I have no need of Windows like I use to. So Microsoft can kiss my butt, and eat crap with their AI riddled BS of a OS, and I have been a Windows user since Windows 1.0.
I've been a windows user since windows 95. Used Apple and Amiga before that. I'm going Linux as well. Also in the process of migrating all my old stuff still tied to old hotmail adresses, since in Septemember they want you to use "new" verification methods which will make it so it's tied to you as a person and not being able to just use my old user names and passwords anymore to sign-in. I started using HoTMaiL back in the mid 90's when Microsoft was not part of it (before msn hotmail) and still have some really old game stuff tied to those old hotmail accounts, but soon no more hotmail for me. Migrating all those log-ins to other mail services now. A bit of a hassle, but worth it in the end. Should have stopped using hotmail long ago, but been too lazy. That new announcement made me finally get my thumbs out of my butt and leave hotmail even with those old things still tied to them. I have used other servcices for most mail stuff anyway for decades now. Just that I have had those old hotmail accounts activated still due to some old games tied to them. That is about to end. Microsoft themselves is killing using microsoft for me. They keep sinking their own ship from the inside. A really clever business strategy/model...NOT...
If any of the anti cheat games then need Linux market share to go higher so more Dev open up there game as mostly the main anti cheat software are working but devs been holding it back.
“Microsoft is listening to its users a bit”? No. If they were they wouldn’t make it extremely hard to setup without a microsoft account. They still want your data first. Only when they have it they “allow“ to switch to a local one.
Microdoft could go to hell i will never use a microsoft acount in windows
So you have to sign up for acct. Frist before you can go local. Microsoft is not listening, people want to make a local acct. When installing windows.
I think you can with the dvd, it installs the first version.
@@mazz85- you can but not normal user will do it, and Microsoft is trying to remove loop hope from people trying by pass it. The next windows won't be pretty in how much they want to farm user data.
@@ZaberfangX We need some one bigger to woken up to start making Operating Systems, and i think next in line would be AMD, it must be with ZERO features, gaming performance only.
@@mazz85- we got linux, any new os will have undertaken to get company to support os as Linux all ready have a hard time with millions of user on the desktop. It what valve been pushing to get Linux to have bigger market share.
there's a way to do this using oobe and ipconfig commands during setup. I always do this with new windows 11 pc's.
I don't care what MS thinks, they went way too far, not only with the online account but with the AI spyware as well. My next upgrade, (later this year or next year) will be ether on linux or mac. Windows can very well live in a VM, and gaming on Linux is so much better, with apple now preparing to grab a slice of the pie. I already use linux at work for 6 years now, windows works well in a vm for 2 applications that I really need to run on windows, so moving my home PC that I use mainly for gaming, is not such an extraordinary task as people make it out to be.
And what about politicians world wide ?
High security risk to be under forced online account when its main goal is to take your data.
Microsoft wants to sell your data instead of google, apple, etc...
They don't need you to log in with a Microsoft account to data mine you. It's their OS, they can make it do whatever they want, in that regard, regardless of what type of account you're using. Short of never going on the internet with the PC, or being a wiz with firewall settings, you can't stop it if they really want to do it. Look at Recall; I don't think that required a Microsoft account to record everything you do.
Personal data is usually gameplay videos and nudes...
WOO.
The BIGGEST benefit of using a Microsoft account is for hackers. When a hacker hacks your Microsoft account, they can lock you out of all your Windows computers, using that Microsoft account. Oh, did they mean benefits to the actual owner of the PC? Well, then nevermind.
Privacy is dead on Windows, the sooner people come to realise that, the better..
Sounds like TikTok🤣
i know i didnt buy an apple product, why am i being forced to use my pc like some apple pleb. ah microsoft porbly copying apple cause they want to integrate everything like apple does... or data ming.maybe that too.mostlikely data mining since apple has multiple hardware products and microsoft is 99%software.
I just did a clean install so I could get my manu device drivers updated regularly so I opted to dual boot. I blew past their get an account sign in nonsense. By sheer determination I had no plans on it if it took me 2 weeks to do it. I was smart enough to read the fine print. But from the 1st boot MS owns your computer until you take it back. I stripped all MS out of it that could be uninstalled and crippled the rest. I didn't buy my PC from MS.
I have online MS accounts and they are the worst for syncing across different platforms and devices, all the syncing is always wrong every time. My local accounts have the least problems for me. Other OS's like Android, Linux Distro's and are much better at syncing than any MS products. Even Google is better than MS at this. WIndows 11 gives me more problems than WIndows 10 with syncing issues.
So basically your pc is going to be a brick if you can't use the internet - God forbid a storm hits your area and the internet goes down - to LOG IN TO YOUR MICROSOFT ACCOUNT
Pretending to suddenly inform people of an option is just a smoke screen which only a fool can't see through. That option to log out of your Microsoft account and use a local account doesn't matter. If you already set up your PC with a Microsoft account that requires new log-in technology basically having to verify who you are irl, there is no point to log out afterwards. Your PC's unique identifier is already tied to you as a person by that time. Totally pointless from a privacy standpoint. Same if you buy your windows license legally and paying with a credit card, then that license is traceable to you and your machine once you activate it. Also you can not even use microsoft store to download stuff without an account. They even removed the legacy video editor in win 10 and replaced it with the new one (clipart or clipchamp or something, I didn't bother to get it)), which requires an account to download it and run it. They do all they can to tie unique identifiers to a person to then be able to harvest all your data and sell to 3rd party as well as share with law enforcement when requested. Privacy + windows is dead. It's been dead for a long time. It's also why they in September will require newer log-in verification methods to tie old accounts created long ago to specific persons (for exampe old hotmail accounts and such). In many countries you can not even buy and activate a cash SIM card and being anonymous, as it has to be verified and registered with the mobile operator before you can use it (laws passed in recent years), so if you tie any type of log-in (like outlook) to a mobile number in those countries, again it can be traced to you. All this is of course pushed unto us under the banner of "for your security", "for your convenience", which of course is balloony. Such a shame so many fall for it, or few even question it. The masses having been slowly cooked/weaned into it without realizing it. Kind of like cooking lobsters or crabs on low heat, gradually turning it up until it's too late. So, it will not matter anymore even if you compartmentalize browsers, like using one browser purely for google and RUclips, another browser for your mail, another browser for your online purchases, another for your bank etc. Microsoft will be able to tie it all to one person and harvest and collect it all tied to you (as a person) due to the Microsoft account. If wanting to keep some privacy using that method (compartmentilize browsers) you need to go Linux, which is not an option for all, since many other big tech companies and banks do not support Linux with their programs and log-ins which many people needs to use in many countries.
They are all the same, google, adobe, microsoft, apple, banks (in many countries), the list could go on. Always online requirements, needing registration and a log-in. Gone are the days of buying a license with a physical media and owning that license and being able to use the program for as long as it can run on your machine. It's all programs/apps "as live services". All subscription style nowdays. Streaming services, games, O/S on computers or msdartphones, music, apps etc. You own and control nothing. Not even your own privacy and information, unless you move out to an offline log cabin in the woods. Still even there you would need at least a smartphone and a subscription with some operator to access your bank accounts in many countries, since that is the only option available in those countries now. The cashless always online society. It's too late to stop it now. At least in many countries where powerful forces of banks, corporations and governements are pushing this onto people. No other choices/options available. Whole of EU is going to launch the digital EURO in the not too distant future. Some countries are basically already more or less cashless and many shops and banks do not even accept or handle cash anymore. You need swish and other apps to pay via your smartphone, or at least a credit card in your name.
*Welcome to 1984.*
You CAN download (and update) apps from the MS store without an acct. Been doing that for years. (Some apps may need a sign in after setup though.) That's a gripe I have with macOS, you can't do anything on their app store without an account.
@@ocvjw8734 Thank you for that info. Appreciated. Not that I'm sure it makes any difference anymore, since win 10 is soon outdated. I won't pay for any extended support since that is basically the same as giving MS all your info anyway by paying it online. I wasn't even happy to switch from win 7 to win 10, but I saw no real alternative to what I wanted to do on my PC at that time. These days I game less and less, so that not as important as it used to be. Win 11 I have no interest in the way it works and is designed now and seems to just get worse and worse by each change. Not to mention being forced to throw away fully functioning motherboards and cpu's and waste money on newer once just to be able to run win 11, so I'm digging into Linux atm. Trying to figure out which distro to try first. I'm leaning towards Mint with Cinnamon but I still know too little to make the switch, so I will keep digging more into it and watch videos about it etc until I feel comfortable to make the switch. I have a year left of win 10 to decide.
@@ocvjw8734 I tried to reply to you. A polite reply with a thank you and some detailed info on my plans for chosing an O/S before support ends, but YT AI bot keep deleting my reply with what I wanted to say, so this is all I can reply. Unless this too gets deleted within seconds after posting it. **sigh**
Onestelly I don't give a *uck, syncking is great, of course have a Microsoft account, a stupidity.