Flugelhorn, Cornet, Trumpet and Trombone: A Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2013
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Just a fun vid comparing the tone of a flugelhorn to a cornet (which can be close), a trumpet (not so close but with a Flugel/Trumpet hybrid mouthpiece it's something to think about) and to a trombone... Ah, the joys of brass playing! :) Thanks for stopping by! Jonathan
CORRECTION: I meant to say that the hybrid Flugel/Trumpet mouthpiece may take out the high FREQUENCY overtones of a trumpet - not necessarily the high range. Granted, high range is harder with a deep V mouthpiece and a large throat, but not impossible. The hybrid flugel/trumpet mouthpiece I used here is an excellent piece; made and sold by Trent Austin at Austin Custom Brass, it's called the "TA-TF". 
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That flugelhorn sounded so nice! makes me wanna switch from trombone and start playing the flugel.
Thanks dude. I was wondering about these 4 instruments and your vid had everything I needed.
I'm glad the vid helped - thanks for your comment.
Timestamps:
0:36-Flugelhorn
1:07-Cornet
1:39-Trumpet
3:40-Trombone
Thank you! :)
@@JonathanMilam1 i didnt do all of it yet 🤣
@@JonathanMilam1 I cant tell the differences between the brass instruments yet. Except it looks different. 😔 I have a test on Tues tho and I cant tell the diff!😥😥😥
Honestly, with the wide possibility in mouthpieces, its VERY hard to tell the diff. I think I could fool some very well known players in a blind test, frankly. Good luck on your test; I'll say some prayers and send some best wishes your way. :) The looks is much easier than hearing the difference, believe me. Hopefully you'll have a merciful teacher or test-grader. :) Meanwhile, Happy Holidays!
@@JonathanMilam1 Thanksss hahaha. Nah I dont get to see the instruments. Our teacher will just play an excerpt and ask us what instrument it is.
Very cool video! Great to hear a compare and contrast of timbre back to back.
Scott; Thank you for the kind comment. I've enjoyed lots of vids about trumpets, trombones, etc. I like the idea of back to back comparisons too. Take care and have a great year!
Thank you! Was listening to Chet Baker do "Angel Eyes" on his Essential Standards album and could have sworn I heard a trombone. But no, it was Chet on the flugelhorn. Amazing sound. Thanks so much for this comparison. :)
I really appreciate your videos and you help me out a lot! Thank you.
Demitri; Thank you! Very kind of you to comment!
Thank you for posting that very interesting video, Jonathan...
I'm not a brass player but a keyboards player but I've met and played with brass players.
When I was young, I did'nt discover flugelhorn through jazz music but when listening to american composer Burt Bacharach who's often been using this instrument in his orchestral arrangements..
I think that singer and trompet player Herb Alpert has been using it too...
Thanks again for what you do...!
Thank you for your comment. A thread at TrumpetHerald.com recently addressed Mr. Bacharach and his use of brass; I commented there as well. He does an outstanding job with his arranging - and particularly his use of brass. Herb Albert; probably the first commercial trumpeter I heard - great memories. Glad you enjoyed the vid - and thanks again for your comment.
Lincoln Jazzy; Thank you. The trumpet I played in this video is marketed as a "French Besson". It's made by Kanstul, some call it 'The Stamm Horn' - and it is a very nice trumpet, an excellent value. I did a review on it a couple months back if you want to check in my list of videos. It's a brass horn with gold lacquer - not a silver plated horn. If you can find one they're usually at a good price; I bought mine used for $500 - and it plays as well as many horns that'll cost $1,000 or more. And yes; I think the intonation on it is about as good as it gets. Thanks for your comment! :) Jonathan
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Great, great video. Exactly what I was hoping to see. I'm a musician completely new to horns. I love the sound of the flugelhorn and think it could contribute nicely to some smooth, mellow bossa nova arrangements. My second favorite sound was the cornet as it was warmer than the trumpet and more versatile, it seems. Though I loved the flugelhorn sound, I think I might look more into the corner because I could do more and you said it's less expensive. Thanks for the video, I'm intrigued.
Sean Tripline Sean; Thanks for the kind comments. Good luck with your search - any of these instruments can be fun to play. I've picked up a lot of tips and ideas on horns and playing at TrumpetHerald.com. Good luck!
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That’s the kind of comment I like. More!! :)
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Thank you this was very helpful!
Maxime Laneville Maxime; Thank you! I have fun making these vids and I'm glad you found this helpful. Continued best wishes, Jonathan
As a Trombone player ( Trombonist? ) , I love hearing the sound of a Flugelhorn at our concerts , Sadly we no longer have a flugelhorn player in our concert band. Quick question!! Don't know if you mentioned this at all , but do you play any musical instruments? Great sound and tone!
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What happened to the fugelhornist
@@lolfactor6857 probably graduated
I really love playing slide trombone but for those of you who want the sound but aren't used to slide, you can try valve trombone.
Kris Gil; Greetings. The problem with switching mouthpieces from one brass instrument to another is that they rarely fit well. If they're too small you can sometimes wrap tape around the stem of the mouthpiece as a temporary fix, but if the mouthpiece isn't a snug metal-to-metal fit, sometimes you're tone won't come out solid. A flugel mouthpiece, or on trumpet the newer 'flugle-trumpet' is very similar to a French Horn mouthpiece; a very deep V cup. Hope this helps!
You must have a good video camera because even with my tin ear I could clearly distinguish between the flugelhorn, cornet, and trumpet. Nice video.
Thanks for the comment! It's a Zoom Q3hd and a nice little unit. The view seems a bit unclear to me - but that's probably a good thing. Keeps from scaring people when they see me. :) The difference between a trumpet, cornet and flugel is indeed interesting; glad you enjoyed the vid.
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Huh... I had no idea Zoom made video cameras. I have one of their audio recorders (the H2n) and it's amazing. Probably even better if I really learned how to use it. I use it to record our blues trio's gigs - usually in bars - and if I copy the MP3s to a CD and play them over my home sound system (which is nothing special), it sometimes sounds like there's a pool table in the next room!
Very informative video! Thank you. I've played trumpet and trombone but now I want to but a flugelhorn. It sounds a little sultry and warm to me.
pawbiter Greetings and thanks for your kind comment. The flugel is very nice when it's played well. I've got a newer (although) used flugel I need to do a review on but it does take work to play one well. I'm not happy enough with my playing to put another vid out. To me, the flugel sounds best when played softly but if one plays it too softly the start of the note is weak, so... Well, brass playing isn't as easy as we'd like, I suppose. Keep in touch and good luck with the flugel!
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Ron Hedrick Ron; thanks for the +; I'll take it! :)
Thank´s. Sometimes it´s good ear how it´s the sound of diferent instruments.
+BenjaSK Sanchez My pleasure! Thanks for your kind comment!
Hi Jonathan, loved the demonstration. It's been years since I touched a horn, and now that I've saved up a bit I'm considering getting one. I played a trumpet from Grade 6 through 12 so that's 7 years of modest practice that I'd like to utilize once again. I remember trying both a trumpet and cornet, but haven't tried the flugel--is it much different playing it? I also really wanted to pick up trombone towards the end of high school and practiced a bit on my own time, but it seems less of a toy to pick up and fiddle with. Do you have a favorite among the 4? Or just a personal one you prefer to pick up and play over the others? I'm looking on craigslist now for something, but it's difficult to distinguish what a good deal is with such a price range. I do enjoy the mellower sounds, and the compactness of the cornet, so I'm heavily considering that. Some muted jazzy licks I hear from time to time just inspire me to get into the groove of it all.
Either trumpet or cornet are a good choice. A flugel is a good 'doubler' to have for either the trumpet or cornet few people use flugel as their main instrument (very few but there are a talented and famous few who have and do). Trombone is a fantastic instrument. I find the trombone VERY challenging for two reasons; my embouchure (chop set up) just doesn't work with it well and the slide gives me fits. :) I find the trumpet easier than the cornet; it's really a mouthpiece thing. A trumpet mouthpiece is probable an inch longer than a cornet mouthpiece; this is a huge inch - it's an inch of easier control at the front of the instrument, to my way of thinking. I believe that's why trumpet is so much more popular today, too. Of course because the trumpet is much more popular - the cornet is a less expensive instrument. Craigslist is a good place to look locally. If you want to, strictly your choice, contact me through my website and we can email more about good horns to start with. I'll be glad to give any input I can - and I do know some good horns that can be obtained at good prices. www.JonathanMilam.com is a good way to reach me if you care to; the contact page will get an email to me. Good luck - I came back to trumpet in '07 after being away almost 20 years and its been a blast. Also, www.TrumpetHerald.com has been great for me; lots of good stuff there - along with a few knuckleheads (every forum has a few, 'ya know?). Take care, Yotipo; and best wishes!
And here's some great trombone playing too; hope you enjoy it!
And just listen to this...
ruclips.net/video/SWxz1Wey3Rc/видео.html
Your trumpet has intonation that's excellent.what make is your trumpet.
Merci beaucoup..
Thank you Nirmala; I appreciate your comment. Thanks for watching! :)
Hi Jonathan!
Thanks for the demo video! Is it possible to actually play the Flugelhorn WITH a Trombone mouthpiece? I used too play a Baritone Horn many years ago, and once a friend lent me his Flugelhorn with such a mouthpiece. I got myself a Trombone, but as you pointed out, getting down the slide is a killer! Thanks!
Saruk Eshel Saruk; Greetings. There are some mouthpieces that have a trombone or baritone rim and cup but have the backbore (which enters the trumpet) to fit a trumpet. They are sometimes very pricy (expensive) but I have seen them. The mouthpiece backbore, or stem, of a flugel is even smaller than a trumpet so you'd be putting a lot of weight (larger rim and cup) on a small stem. To be more direct - I've never seen a trombone mouthpiece that was made to fit into a flugel. And yes, the slide is a killer, isn't it? :) Take care, Saruk; keep in touch.
Thanks for the answer! Is there some instrument that looks like a flugelhorn but sounds like the Trombone/ Euphonium? I did play it and it looked a lot like a flugelhorn, this was 20 something years ago, but had a bigger mouthpiece.
Saruk Eshel There are a surprising number of specialty instruments available today. There is a very compact trombone with valves, usually for marching band but some use it for gigs if the playing area is very small. Maybe this?
Right, many years ago, I saw a Trombone made with valves instead of a slide. Thought of that, and so will look it up! Thanks once again, you have been a big help! Be well!
Hey Jonathan, are ever gonna do any vertical belled instruments such as the Euph or Tenor horn? If not it is OK.
Great question - and probably not. :) I have tried to get a Tenor horn once or twice but it didn't work out. I've also looked a few French Horns. Frankly, if you've listened to the vids of me playing trombone you probably don't want to hear any more of that...lol. I have serious problems going with a much larger mouthpiece than a trumpet. :) Take care - great question!
Jonathan Milam thank you for replying! I feel ya, i tried the euph and it felt kinda odd with the larger mouthpiece and it felt kinda weird, ill manage though!
Well, if you can do well on both mouthpieces - that's fantastic. I really like James Morrison (the brass player) that doubles so well on trumpet and trombone... But that's beyond me, I'm afraid. Thanks for the comments - I appreciate them.
Jonathan Milam no problem!
Hi, Very interesting! i play trombone and im interested in the flugelhorn.is there a big difference between those 2 mouthpieces?
Hi, Max. Most flugel mouthpiece would just about fit inside a trombone mouthpiece; they are quite a bit smaller. The rim of a flugel is about the same as a trumpet but they are deeper than most trumpets - almost as deep as some trombones - which is why they sound much more mellow. Thanks for watching the vid and contributing, Max.
I could hear the "fluffy" I tried playing this & French Horn in Jr. High. I couldn't have picked a harder instrument than the French horn as a "starter" The Flugelhorn was a lot easier. I only took one school year. I ended up in shop/ industrial arts, drafting & architecture. I still sometimes "yearn" to play an instrument.
Hey, Michael! I also started on French Horn; it is indeed a very challenging instrumnent. One thing I'd say; it's never too late to start or to start up again. TrumpetHerald.com can offer a lot of good ideas and inspiration. You can search 'trumpetherald + comeback player' and get some great ideas. Good luck - and thanks for posting! :)
Jonathan Milam, i play the Tuba and im really good at it. and i watched this beacuse i did not know what i fluglehorn is. is it the same way of playing like a buzzing of all brass?
Hello, Ikenna. Yes; the flugelhorn mouthpiece is much like a trumpet or cornet mouthpiece (usually a similar width) but with a much deeper 'V' shaped cup. For some reason they usually have greater problems with intonation but it's tolerable. The sound, because of the larger bell, is usually 'fluffy' and really spreads throughout the room - as opposed to a trumpet sound that usually shoots pretty much straight forward.
Jonathan Milam THANK YOU!
Have you tried out a valve trombone? I think it'd be a good consideration, taking out the complications of a slide but still having the trombone sound.
Euphonium............ Hehe best instrument ever
Nah Euphonium is way mellower cuz it's conical
Austin Mann true
Baritone then
+Kuiper TM still conical lol
Jonathan, do you have any video with the gamut to compare flugel with trumpet?
Gustavo; Greetings. I also compare the flugel, cornet and trumpet (no trombone this time) at Comparison: Carol Brass Flugel 620R, Buescher Cornet, Kanstul Stamm Trumpet
I haven't done one vid on just trumpet and flugel compared but I think it's a great idea. I'll try to get it done in the next couple weeks. Thanks for the idea!
Jonathan Milam Thank you for your availability! I'm from Brazil and this instrument is not common here. I played trumpet and I'm struggling to understand the major differences sound when I play. The comparison of the musical scale can be the beginning of this new video! Thank you so much!
Wow, the Flugelhorn produces the most mellow and beautiful sound... Only the very high notes that it went off a bit.
I rarely have a flugel on hand; their intonation quirks drive me crazy. But they ARE such a different sound...
Walid; Thank you. Really, there's just not much better than a good trombone sound - but my trombone sound isn't that good. :) The fluglehorn is a fun instrument to play though and the Blessing is a nice horn; very easy to play. I've heard that the large bore flugels (like the Blessing) do sound more like a trombone.
Here's one of my favorite trombone soloists: ruclips.net/video/KZd9ghZV1LU/видео.html
What is the name of the song you played on the trumpet
Josh; Greetings. That's an old church chorus I've never seen any music to. Kind of like an old negro spiritual - it was just sung in church when I was a kid. The words are, "Leave them there; leave them there. Take your burdens to the Lord and leave them there..." I've been tempted lately to make a few vids of me playing keyboard and singing some of the little snippets that I'm playing brass to. I'm sure it would be really interesting to...No one but me. :) Take care - thanks for listening, Josh.
Thanks. its a neat song. I think that would be pretty interesting to hear you on the keyboard!
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What notes where you playing with the trumpet?
The trumpet I'm starting on this... C, Bb, A, Bb, A, Bb, C, D Ab, G, F, G, F is the first phrase I play. I think I hit an F above high C with a lip trill up to G later on.
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The flugelhorn has a more mellow sound than with the flugelhorn mouthpiece on the trumpet
Yes; I think the larger bell gives it a softer tone with more spread as well. But - the mouthpiece is a huge part of brass sound; hard to overemphasize the importance of the mouthpiece. Thanks for posting, Aimen.
what was that really high not you hit with the trumpet???
Emi; Greetings. I think the highest I hit was an F above high C with a G as the trill note. That's about the extent of my playable range. On a really good day I may whisper a double high C but it's not got much volume. I began brass playing the French Horn - my mouthpiece setup really isn't the best for trumpet. But I do enjoy the challenge! Thanks for watching! :)
What trombone model is that?
Marc; Greetings. The trombone I'm playing in this video is an older King; it's a Tempo 1306. Considered an intermediate horn but quite a nice little player. I don't do much trombone playing at all (as you can no doubt tell by my lack of ability in this video). My Dad, who passed on a couple years ago, was a very good violinist and also doubled on the trombone. As he grew older (in his 80's) he left his Olds and Bach Strad horns and moderated to this King, which is a pretty small bore horn. I think it's about a .510 bore size. Thanks for watching, Marc.
how do you play so high
+Rick Knowles Rick; Greetings and thanks for your comment. Actually, I'm dissatisfied with my range (as are most trumpet players that I know). I'm always working to increase range, tonguing quality and ease with large interval jumps. These items are where most of my (limited) practice time comes in. To build range the advice that works best for me is to work on lip trills (C in the staff and above) and pedal tones. Interesting is what I thought when I first read it - but it's working for me. Here's some guys that are really great on RUclips; Steve, the Horntrader; ruclips.net/user/HornTrader and Trent Austin, ruclips.net/user/jazzmanta and Jon, ruclips.net/user/Rufftips The last guy, Jon, has a lot of video's out answering questions about trumpet playing. Now those guys have great range... :)
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is that a 2b, or 3b? if it's a 2b, sounds like your using a m/p inappropriate for that horn. a 2b should much brighter 12c, or 11c, NO bigger! 12c is prettier. 3b in my opinion is too big. have u tried the 2b pl, (.500)
Very nice King Tempo, actually. My Dad's old horn - a very nice intermediate, I think they call it. I use a 17C for the mouthpiece. I like Getzen's 6.5 AL but it's just way too big for my lips/mouth. I've had a King Jiggs Whigham, 2B kind of? Very, very nice horn.
He’s playing on the trampoline wrong
I cant blow anything ! So i end up wt pecursion 😆
Well, as you get older you can double. Be the drummer, OR the lead trumpeter. :)
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He’s playing the trombone Wrong