When a character has Superspeed, you need to be damn sure that they're NEVER in a scene with any sort of lengthy pause that they could have used to their advantage. If a scene is going to have one of those, that character CANNOT be there or any future reprecussions of that scene could have been prevented.
Or you could write the character in a smart way and they actually get tired if they use the super speed too much or have some limitation and aren't able to help, this can even add depth to the character as they'd probably feel guilty
@@ilvanasgobero8096 Limitations are the perfect way to balance a power; but this is DC. They can't let their superheroes have real limitations on their powers. The Flash isn't allowed to get tired. What kind of superhero ever suffers from exhaustion that's not from a near death beatdown? Their inability to give their characters actual flaws results in so much bad writing, and it hurts.
They can be present as long as there's reasonable mitigating factors, like the villain being inaccessable to the speedster for one reason or another (sealed room, remote communication, etc) or advanced technology that is capable of making even the speedster potentially too slow (like how cameras can pick up one frame of the flash being gone, something could get set off if the speedster attempts to move from where they're standing). Things like that.
@@Saurus990 Lets Murder Plot-Holes and that whole 'Consistency doesnt matter, lol'-Mentality. Know how? Lemme tell you f-ing how: Madvocates did what Jay Exci did via his Doctor Who Review, and that's not even mentioning Hbomberguys whole channel but especially his RWBY and Sherlock Coverage. Many do constructive Criticism while being entertaining-af, like them but also Krimson Rogue or Movie-Flames.
I didn't even think that hard about Barry's lightning before but yeah people couldn't even make the excuse that it's speed force stuff that doesn't do anyhting since he uses it for extremely powerful electric charges to bring back Superman and power up Cyborg. He should be annihilating everything around him every time he uses his powers.
They should've made it where when he runs normally, there's just a red streak with but when he approaches the speed of light, more and more lighting courses through his body, hence why he would need to approach the speed of light to build enough charge for the mother box.
I think there would be some bs excuse like “the speed force protects life forms from the lightning” but that wasn’t even hinted at and it’s super contrived.
You're right. I always figured that the lightning was just a cosmetic effect and wasn't actually lightning, but then he actually uses it as lightning and that theory goes straight out the window.
He's about to go on another break when he finds out that in the later seasons of CW Flash, Barry has trouble beating a villain whose power consist of mind controlling if you look into her eyes
After the first time (assuming he didn’t know before trying to talk to her and know what’s going on), it should be pretty easy. Run behind her or if you REALLY want to try talking, have some kind of reflective lenses. So if she even tries to hypnotize you she hypnotized herself.
Perfectly reasonable question: "How is Flash so invulnerable to harm/why doesn't his lightning hurt people around him?" A poor answer: *Because that's how it works in the comics, deal with it* Perfectly reasonable question: "Why can't he relocate people out of harm's way, at super speed?" A poor answer: *It only works that way in the comics, he can't do that in this movie* ????????????????????????????
The movie answers your second question in when it shows him moving iris during the car crash. We saw he was being extremely gentle with her almost as if she was fragile.
@@Deadpool784 I hate to break it to you, but moving Iris """gently""" is a load of bull. Even if he's moving that """slow""", his fingers are still punching into Iris's neck and shoulder and where ever else. If he's protected by the Speed Force enough to tear up asphalt, then he's going to rub her skin off, even just making small, calculated movements. If the excuse is that his Speed Force in turn protects people he rescues... then again, why is he not helping people on the stairs?
@@kylefrank638 Yeah I understand why that would still seem stupid to you because I'm not going to lie none of this shit makes any sense but the movie still shows that moving people at those speeds is potentially dangerous whether you like it or not.
Mate, you didnt just make a 3D simulation to prove some rando on the internet wrong; you spent time writing a resume for the 3d model character to hold in a throwaway clip. Doing that and your 'the flash is inconsistent' series has earned a sub mate, keep it up
Holy cow, I'm so glad you brought up the speed force issue. If someone says: "it was the will of the force" "x explained this in an interview" or "you'd understand this if you read the comics" its probably lazy writing.
@@mekingtiger9095 i always love that mystery responder who everyone is pissed af at who then deleted their post, and now no one can understand it. Such a quaint nuisance lol.
@@tuskinradar8688 Oooh, I get the feeling, except from the perspectice of the pissed off person who had the terrible displeasure of reading through all the bastard's comments. The idiot went on and on with stupid nonsensical crap over an entire video's comment section harassing everyone he could there for *6 MONTHS* before finally. At least Tobs Onasaya was a far more chill and passive guy in Madvocate's Flash Season 1 video. Eren Denburg Niederhoffer PTSD flashbacks from HBomb's RWBY essay video...
@@AzguardMike Presenting the information in a movie shouldn't that be difficult. I don't understand why writers can't get this fact through their thick skulls.
You forgot one critical thing you missed. When Berry saved Iris, whilst his lightning was going all around him, he speed back in, into a room full of wood, which would easily ignite and leave lightning marks all around (none of which is in the movie) it also mean that lightning had to miss all those dogs too, which were in such close proximity to one another it would be quite... well you get the point.
5:37 my grandpa got struck by lightning when he was younger, he had burns all over, and had to be resuscitated, but he survived. He was riding a horse in an open field herding cattle, he lightning got dispersed into the horses shoes or something, and the horse died, but he lived.
About your point of CW speedsters running to pull of a power...that’s how it *used* to be. As of Season 7, *_lightning_* is now the main power, and they have Jedi lightning lightsaber battles. I wish I was kidding.
Can't wait to see xenon's response. He won't make one because he thinks you're wrong, he'll make one because you have more subs than him now and he wants a piece
23:31 there's an even bigger problem with this scene - the hot dog probably wouldn't have impressed the manager, because they can actually be really bad for dogs
A thought I had for consequences would be that he saves the girl, but bombs the interview. Then after the time travel he finds out that he got the interview, but the girl died. Barry could even say that a few seconds should only have a ripple of a few days, and maybe ask Bruce if he kept a file on his recent activities so he can see what's changed, or he could keep a diary specifically for this kind of situation.
That makes no sense. Why would his time travel mean he didn't do something he did before the point he time traveled to? That'd be like time traveling to the cretaceous period and that caused something to go extinct in the jurassic period. If something changes it must be something that hasn't already occurred before the point you time travel to.
13:00, the only logical explanation, is that Barry accelerated only his arms when giving this push... Which could be communicated a lot clearer, by only showing lightning aroung his arms when he is giving the push, instead of all around him as usual.
Yeah, the only thing i don't really agree with madvocate. But Barry's arms should move faster, it's not slow-mo and i can still see his arms moving EDIT: i completely forgot about physics when i said that 👆. Like in Newton's 3rd law (if you push something, it'll push you back with the same force). So for Barry who doesn't have super strength, he can't just push that guy and still standing in place like that But he still breaks the law of physics by running at the speed of light anyway
The fact remains that in any other version of The Flash whether it be comic or television... He needs momentum in order to move anything that hard and fast... To be right behind them and push the parademon thru a wall with no initial running start would imply that Barry is just as physically strong as superman or wonderwoman as long as he moves a part of his body with speedforce... And if not Superman's strength level then Cyborg's... The laws of physics are already broken in a lot of ways in that movie but if he not as strong as the other heros than the parademon would have to weight at least about a third of Barry's weight to pull that move off without him running first... And that's not logical...
@@ArttMann09 Well yes. That's how force works. Mass * Accel. When moving at ridiculous speeds, a hardy enough feather could wipe new jersey off the map. And again, other versions of the flash in comics of television don't matter. they really don't. Hell, it's technically possible his push happens between frames, as the movie is being filmed at 24 and barry is MUCH faster than 1/24th normal speed.
@@ArttMann09 momentum yes but I think you're overestimating how much he would actually need. With the iris scene he does small gestures to move her around to keep her safe. She no doubt weighs less than the parademon but he does use more force to push the parademon. In flashtime he probably just moderately pushed it and it got launched. I have no doubt in my mind that if he had the forethought and skill he could've guided the car down to the ground intact if only with like hand imprints
The Speed Force is an allegory for the speed at which the Human Eye jumps between panels of a comic, but that's more of a drama-nerd Grant Morrison interpretation, not a dumb jock Snyder interpretation
@Hello homosapien it's a barrier that surrounds other dimensions, not a dimension itself, but essentially yes. And the meta verse is bloody insane. The actual red stuff the speed force is around is called the Bleed.
13:01 The lightning surrounding him suggests he slowed down time to give that "tiny push". Based on the movie's logic that's exactly how someone could get flung at a wall like that man was.
The issue with Barry's powers is that they're so op that most of the fights would be over in a "flash" wink wink... so they just have to make Barry the equivalent of Patrick from spongebob so that the movie can happen 😂
13:01 Considering the rate Barry can accelerate, I’d say he’s pushing him over 100 miles per hour. That’s a pretty generous estimate seeing how ridiculously fast Barry can run at his top speed and how long it takes him to reach it.
@@92brunod Really the only comment that mentions Lex. Which was a horrid portrayal. Not to mention the scene he's describing is beyond uncharacteristic for Lex Luthor. Thus "they should have casts Michael rosenbaum"
@@nukiesduke6868 So it's not a reply at all, gotcha. "the scene he's describing is beyond uncharacteristic for Lex Luthor. Thus "they should have casts Michael rosenbaum" " That's a complete non sequitur. Casting Michael Rosenbaum would not fix that scene... writing and casting are two completely different things. The scene would still be just as uncharacteristic but with Michael Rosenbaum doing it.
@@92brunod I uh, don't think he's arguing against the initial comment. He's just chiming in with his thoughts. Don't need to pull out the logical fallacy book on him lmfao
@@mrshmuga9 that’s because it doesn’t matter? I didn’t need to see his backstory when I watched JL. Somehow Paul Dini and Bruce Tim don’t get shit for not making a Hawk girl show and a Martian man Hunter show and a flash show
Dude, I gotta give you props for your background music, it's freaking awesome and for some reason just works so well. I love that song, it's been so long since I listened to it, thanks for reminding me of it.
The fact you had to point out your (100% correct) stance of "solo movies first, team up movies later" is sad because people somehow think skipping out on most of the Justice League's solo movies is ok.
why would the flash just run in circles to reach a certain speed and produce a certain amount of energy, basically doing nothing important during the last act, but then do it instantly while also rewinding time aaaaaand injured??
He didn’t produce it in an instant, he was doing it while time was rewinding, as for why he didn’t need to run in circles, it was because he was going way faster than the speed of light.
Perfect video, I believe that the problem with super speed is the fact that it's too broken, you literally have all the time in the world to do things and fix problems but because the movie have to go on they drag the power into the ground and only when the climax is near that's when the power goes overboard and starts making sense, super speed is a power that's too good to have and directors can't handle it
Yes, the only ways i can think of to make a character with super speed lose a battle is if both of them have it, the character has some limitation or just has a personality that made it that way, like Jojo, sure, Dio could stop time and kill them all, but he wanted to toy with them
This is a problem that exists whenever there's a speedster. It's not Snyder's fault really. Combined with the fact that the person who created this video likely has only superficial info on how Flash's powers work.
I'd also like to point out in order to move that fast, your mind needs to be able to process and deliver instructions to the body in order to move correctly. Anyone who's saying he cant think that fast is dumb, also for anyone to move that fast and be functional they would have to have the capacity to perceive, think,react, and strategies to be able get around with super speed without hurting themselves or others.
10:09 I disagree I am 100% convinced Snyder Flash does that because Zack thought it was romantic for Barry to gently handle her in a totally not creepy way
I mean... if we knew more about their relationship at this stage in time we'd have a better idea of if all that was creepy in the first place. Good point though.
Really good video dude! I like the lightning personality, I love the spectical, I do understand your criticism about it. For it avoiding people, we can assume (from what the film is actively showing us) that it just avoided people. It's not true lightning, it's "speed force" which isn't a scape goat, I'm just saying that it's not actual real world lightning, it's the speedforce that Barry tells us surrounds him. As for the push, though not logistical, he just used his arms in super speed to like, punch/push him. Just planted his feet and pushed with only his arms in super speed. Again, not saying that's logistical, just that that's what's happening, not super strength, just pushing him with superspeed. Honestly, amazing video, and I respect all your views, can't wait till the next one!
7:11 Saw this part after the newest suicide squad movie and I gotta say Waller had to be making some bs to sell her idea. Detachable Kid was a next level joke lmao.
What Madvocate is saying is that it's okay to adapt stuff from the source material BUT make sure the 3rd party media is explained or there'll be questions. Ex: Barry sliding across the street, Diana flight and invisibility inconsistency/inconvenience, Superman's Solar Suit, etc.
@@devdev5055 yeah but you can’t write something on the assumption that someone will “probably” know other details from other media, a movie shouldn’t be dependent on other media outside of its series in order to cover up things that wouldn’t make sense with only the information given by the movie
@@scolisopod literally the only people who asked for it are fans. Even If there arent fans watching it, I doubt people are going to nitpick to the point of the guy in the vid has done.
@@devdev5055 yeah but u can’t just say if u read the comics you would know dingus, and then suddenly it’s not an issue that they left info out, if it’s supposed to be a standalone universe there shouldn’t have to be a prerequisite of having read or watched other stuff to know how things in the movie work, it’s just not good to make the people who haven’t read the comics have to do homework to find out how it works, consider this being someone’s jumping in point to the dc stuff, they’ve followed the movies up until this and just heard the snydercut came out and decided to watch it bc why not, that’s a pretty common scenario, in fact it happened to me but with marvel stuff, u can’t just leave info out because it exists somewhere else in media, i will agree with you tho that it is a tiny bit nitpicky but something being nitpicky doesn’t mean it’s wrong, and this nitpick is very much correct, i mean ig you could make it so it’s only accessible to people who are already fans of the comics and the tv shows, but that’s just needlessly making ur watch base way smaller, so it’s just not good for any movie to do
@@devdev5055 If you’re making a 4 hour movie, there’s no reason why you can’t include a substantive explanation/origin. Zack had a ton of money and time to put it together, there’s actually no excuse for it when you get a 2nd chance. And if the deflection is “well fans understand” then that also doesn’t hold up. Because fans would want to see more details on how this iteration works. It’s a 4 hour movie for crying out loud. They really couldn’t put in a 10min scene instead of one or two throwaway lines? Look at the difference between Cyborg in Joss’ cut versus Zack’s. Giving some backstory helps the character, not hinders it.
This is how you make that steppenwolf scene better. You having it established in the fight before that while fighting Superman Barry twists his ankle and hurts himself. Then he can't run directly to the mother box without stumbling over and hurting himself. Steppenwolf gets away and it weighs on him. That also sets up his character Arc later in the movie of being even more hurt than and still managing to save everything.
Something I just thought about while rewatching this video - it's quite difficult to make a TV show let alone a single movie about a character that's been around for over half a century. That's not to say a solo origin movie couldn't fix that, but there have been too many iterations of the character at this point, that there will always be someone to nitpick on their powers or something else. The first iteration of Flash is vastly different from the one we mostly know now.
13:11 that is actually how physics work lmao, speed x mass = Force. So, yeah, Barry pushing someone really fast would essentially be pushing them with super strength cause he's just generating force, and you can see he's using his speed for the push so idk man, that one feels like bad criticism. As for the response, those other speedsters are canonically slower than Ezra's when performing those fears, but regardless, a person with superspeed could PUSH somebody at superspeed without needing a running start, superspeed applies to more than your legs, ya know? Moving your arms a couple inches at mach 20 is going to generate insane amounts of force. And just to cover my bases, in third party media, speedsters have been shown to deliver devastating punches while standing still by vibrating their fist to give it more mass before delivering the punch, more mass plus speed equal crazy amounts of force
Actually if you look at the way Barry pushes the pairademon it should’ve actually landed on its face flat on the ground. He puts his hands on its back and normal speed and then slightly pushes him in super speed.
The biggest gripe here is that Barry's whole character in Snider's movie is essentially Wally West's character from the Justice League cartoon but with less depth.
I agree with Mauler and Madvocate about Josstice League it's bad, but the Snyder Cut is worse. Josstice League tries to fix Snyder's mistakes. He had an excuse, Snyder did not. Josstice League actually tried to focus on things that don't break canon. Just look at the Wonder Woman bank scene, Joss didn't have her shown killing people and kept her consistent from BvS. Snyder makes her kill everybody in front of kids because 'rule of cool'. 14:47
How is josstice league better than the snyder cut? Steppenwolf has no motive, flash, cyborg, and aquaman had no character development, there was too much forced jokes, and it made the whole justice league look pathetic compared to superman.
22:59 , to further your point. In the CW Most of the time the lightning is behind them at speed, but when in "flash time" the lightning kinda just sticks to them and spazzes out in. Though at 24:10 it could be argued that super speed was used, due to the lightning and the fact that cyborg gets absolutely slung instantaneously. Your counter argument even uses a third party to try and confirm that he would probably need to build speed, but Snyder's flash could beyond easily destroy sneakers by shifting himself with his feet. The need for building speed doesn't seem like an issue for this flash. Ultimately your argument about the writing though is completely true, and it wouldn't make sense to write differently from what the flash's perceived powers are.
That scene where he pushes the guy “without super speed” I’m pretty sure he is using super speed, cause the sparks are still going around him, and it’s just his arms moving fast.
movie doesn't show us that since he actually goes full stop, if snyder wants to use "real life" logic for barry's superspeed then he'd just melt the demon's skin with friction, not push him around
Is it just me or in that scene where he seems to push the enemy at "normal speed" he is actually using super speed. In that scene at the jail where Barry draws a face on the guy behind him super fast without him noticing, he doesn't have to build up speed to do that. I know, it's not like he's using force to do that, the point I'm making is that he can reach that imperceptible speed in less than a second. If that's so, then when he was pushing that parademon, he might've started pushing it with normal speed, but he could've gone into super speed before he finished, which would've absolutely sent the parademon flying. If a tiny push traveling hundreds if not thousands of miles per hour (or miles per second, doesn't really matter a whole lot) makes contact with someone, they are going flying, similar to how a punch from a speedster traveling near or past the speed of light (or even significantly slower than that) would decimate anyone instantly.
Perhaps the real reason why this Flash just stands around and does nothing or just talks/screams from time to time is because he has nobody who would tell him "Run, Barry, RUN!!!" and he hasn't figured that one out by himself yet
The part where Barry's shoes rip but not his clothes is probably just so the movie wouldn't be R rated, similar to how Wolverine's shirt ripped near the end of X-men: The Last Stand but his pants were fine. As for the lightning, while it does have the risk of frying every living organism within a 10 meter radius, it also looks much cooler than CW's Flash, and it's apparent that how cool a scene looks matters more to the creators than the cracks it puts in established Canon, like how Wonder Woman blew up that building when she could've just tackled the shooter when he was reloading
the movie was r rated. but most of these scenes were just to look cool. i dont think ppl should overthink the effects of the lightning because if it did have any sorts of effects then this would be a whole other kind of r rated boys level shit
I'm fairly lenient with source material stuff, especially if the movie at least provides some potential context clues, but I don't think it works with the DCEU because it is pretty different from the source material. Which is fine. I think the strength of an adaptation is you can do things differently, at least to a limit. Change too much and I think you're stretching what an adaptation actually is, and at that point why not create an original character/universe? I have so many complaints about Superman in the DCEU, but I was actually okay with him killing Zod. Using the source material, yes, Superman doesn't kill. But this is clearly not that version of Superman, and he never expresses actually having those values. Same with Batman killing/using guns. Or to switch franchises, Cap killing people when the source material (usually) went out of their way to say that, even in WW2, Cap avoided killing people. Given how different this adaptation is with all the other characters, I don't think it's a stretch to say DCEU Flash is very different from the source material. The first thought I had when Madvocate was mentioning the origins is how the source material origin specifically doesn't work for this version of Barry because he's not working with the police. It could be a similar thing where he's hit by lightning and knocked into chemicals, or it could be radically different, just like how Cyborg's source material (up until new 52) had nothing to do with motherboxes. And, again, I'm not saying deviations are bad, but I think especially if you want to deviate, you really need to explain said deviation. This is why solo movies are recommended before team up movies, it lets you get to know the character/what they are capable of, so in the team up movie you have less questions and can better understand the stakes, plus you don't have to worry about loading it down with exposition to try and explain what would be covered in a solo movie. With Flash specifically, I think if he had a solo movie where he had to resort to time travel and it had some severe consequences would really make his time travel scene in JL hit home harder, because we've seen him deal with consequences. As it stands, he just vaguely implies bad stuff might happen, but he seemingly does it without consequence twice. So for all we know, he just meant it's bad because it takes such a toll on him or could even kill him or something. But if we saw in a solo movie the universe drastically changing because of his time travel, we'd understand and appreciate way more why he's so reserved about using it in JL and how big of a deal it is. And, hey, if we're talking source material, IIRC in all the stuff Synder mentioned about what his future JL movies would look like, I don't think he ever mentioned there being any consequences whatsoever for Flash time traveling. If anything, he seems to further imply there's no consequences because his apocalypse is supposed to be averted by Flash using time travel to warn Bruce, so the apparent "consequence" is the world doesn't become the knightmare universe which...isn't a compelling reason for the Flash to not time travel.
Yes that makes a lot of sense, in some other places he is scared of time travelling because even if the world is an apocalipse, it may turn out worst if he goes back, it's a shame Snyder didn't think this through
Superman's CORE character is he doesn't kill people. Captain America is literally a soldier in WWII, if the original didn't kill people it was likely due to some weird "Comics are for kids, none of them can kill people no matter what" bullshit that's pretty outdated. It'd just be stupid to slap an absolute no kill law on a SOLDIER fighting in WWII. So they just didn't, they made it realistic, without making it TOO realistic, cause it IS still a comic book movie, and the main villain of said movie is a dude with a red skull face. They found the balance and they stuck with it. Tony isn't the type of person to hesitate to kill people, especially in the situation he was in. There's no rational reason Tony should give a fuck. So he doesn't. He arms himself with fucking flamethrowers. Batman has ONE big rule, do not kill. He breaks that rule constantly. Why are you using Batman? Superman has ONE rule, do not kill. He breaks that rule in his debut movie and feels NOTHING regarding the decision and he also kills THOUSANDS of innocent people at least and doesn't give a single shit about it either. He's barely even human. WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY CALLING HIM SUPERMAN? It's like introducing a character named the Flash, and then he's not a speedster WHY IS HE CALLED THE FLASH THEN!? Or putting in the Green Lantern. And he's fucking blue. Changes have to be considered on a CHARACTER by CHARACTER basis. Changing CAPTAIN AMERICA'S hesitation to kill people (which isn't really a thing anymore as far as I can tell in any media I'm personally aware of) is incredibly different to changing BATMAN'S hesitation to kill people. A Batman that's more than willing to kill people at the drop of a hat, is literally not Batman. There's actually another character entirely for that. The result of Batman losing himself and awakening a sort of emergency personality. Batman Zur-En-Arrh. Apparently that's the default for the DCEU. Not that we ever got a fucking Batman movie for the DCEU. So as far as I'm concerned, we have yet to SEE Batman in the DCEU.
The technical consequence is that Barry and the universe he traveled from literally vanish from existence. In a sense they would sacrifice their universe to prevent another from ending up the same way. How that would have been clarified for portrayed we'll never know, but at least there's that.
2:33 Ok, in the flash movie we see "Terry" shooting lightning out of his hands because he built up too much of it, clearly showing that it isn't just the speedforce, it can be harmful, and it builds up the faster they go, like just general energy would. Perhaps the lightning is drawn from the energy pulled out of the speedforce, but it is still uncontrolable energy, and extremely dangerous.
I think the crazy things happen to time refers to just traveling back in time in general. Obviously he would restrict himself from running at light speed at any regular occasion because it would be annoying to constantly send yourself back in time when you do not need to and you did not intend to.
It's like the cw flash is the evil villain who could just kill the hero but still decides to monologue and then is surprised that he lost, its hilarious
13:19 I don’t think he pushed him at normal speed. The flash is able too concentrate his speed to various parts of his body, so I assume he stopped & concentrated his speed into his hands giving him some type of power push in his hands.
@@ItzBigby First off, that's a bullshit argument, if you can't explain anything and has to rely on comics to make sense out of things then maybe you have to recognize that is bullshit, second, I'm like into comics, like too much into comics, and what Flash seems to be doing in this scene is ACCELERATING not accumulating speed, use the correct terms dimwit.
@@Mortimer_RS OP is correct but I wanna expand a bit. Instead of running before hand he just pushed the it at super speed. Its as simple as that. If u feel so inclined i go into more detail in my another comment which u can find by clicking on my profile picture.
Flash could've pushed the parademon that hard, if he was still moving at superspeeds, and transfered the speed to his arms as stored kinetic energy. Changing his movement from running, to twisting and compressing, for the push. He did have the lighting that you said was a sign that he activated his powers, after all. It would be the same as running up to something and stopping to transfer your momentum into a punch, but maybe it looked silly, because he looked so fast (To us) and has no technique. Try surprise pushing a person that way, and they'll move a good distance, because they weren't ready and would stumble to catch themselves. Add superspeed. The person would essential slam themselves for you.
this point is cool and all but i think, to switch from "running around" to "twisting and compressing" he'd have to either have rolling balls for joints like a robot or literally shatter his own bones to make his arms spin around and preserve momentum, the problem with the scene is not simply him pushing but the fact that he *actually* goes full stop before the push for a few seconds, instead of like making a very tight curve and then pushing the demon
@@SpiderRodrigo Go watch karate punching drills. The twist comes Frome the rear leg and the force transfers through the hip into the lowered arm for the extending punch. Essentially, it's stepping. Try it yourself. Step around something and generate force from the rear leg and "Twist" the hip. Same thing. The difference is reading and defining words in your mind vs experiencing it through feeling and proper execution. Compression adds power to everything sports related. A throw, a kick or a punch. It's like jumping while practically still. You don't need to be a machine. Even fencers use this. Hahaha shatter his own bones... What was that equation about speed=_______
i mean, im very late to this. but at 13:20, the push argument. the lightning is shooting out when he pushes him. meaning the last inch barry probably activated it to deal that kinda damage
21:48 Also don't forget the manager did look outside which means she raised her head and she was facing the direction of the dogs and there was no one in there. Even though he eyes weren't focused on that, she still would've seen that because it's still in her field of view
13:10 Newton's second law: F = ma. This Flash may not have much mass but he can accelerate to near lightspeed over a very small distance, creating a tremendous amount of force, even if it's just a tiny push. He's not strong in the same way as Superman but he's definitely powerful. It's the third law that always gets ignored here. Speedforce something something I guess.
I love that Zack Snyder barely had presented all the DC heroes and he basically brings Doomsday, kills Superman, bring back superman and then planned a catastrophich sequel like Flashpoint saga with a dystopic world and Darkseid as his next enemy. DC universe is worse than Invencible messy universe
3:24 Wasn't Iris in a car going over 30mph? Wouldn't putting her on the ground still leave her at the mercy of momentum causing her to continue moving, scraping along the road?
Why don't they get electrocuted by Barry's lighting when they were on a "metal staircase" and he was running up and down it generating a storm's worth of lightning?
27:50 they could’ve easily said Barry closed his eyes before impact and didn’t see Superman moving out the way, but Superman saw him close his eyes and moved
No not really for cw Barry and Iris. If anyone says Barry fell in love with his sister . They knew each other way before they started live each other , he liked her way before his mom died. They were best friends so…….. Barry did not fall in love with her after he lived with Joe . He loved her before
10:43 Not to mention, the dogs around him would be startled at the fact a guy just teleports to where they are and should be tearing him to shreds. 19:37 I think he's broke BECAUSE he bought that equipment. Not to defend him though.
Now if only my Dad could follow your example.
hes still tryna find it he got lost infinitely in the isles.
He bought that milk for someone else kid😔
@@princemetenou3368 no it can’t be true
The milk is just really heavy
Jesus
"This isn't the hero you think he is. Lock him the f*ck up"
This aged like fine wine
Boy😂
Yep, Carton Network’s MAD also predicted it
Ok
@@carlosmattessich3883. Where, I need a link.
"There's no where to run!"
**walks away**
,,Now jump, Barry, jump,,
“There’s somewhere to run!”
Always gets me
😂😂😂
When a character has Superspeed, you need to be damn sure that they're NEVER in a scene with any sort of lengthy pause that they could have used to their advantage. If a scene is going to have one of those, that character CANNOT be there or any future reprecussions of that scene could have been prevented.
Or you could write the character in a smart way and they actually get tired if they use the super speed too much or have some limitation and aren't able to help, this can even add depth to the character as they'd probably feel guilty
@@ilvanasgobero8096 Limitations are the perfect way to balance a power; but this is DC. They can't let their superheroes have real limitations on their powers. The Flash isn't allowed to get tired. What kind of superhero ever suffers from exhaustion that's not from a near death beatdown?
Their inability to give their characters actual flaws results in so much bad writing, and it hurts.
They can be present as long as there's reasonable mitigating factors, like the villain being inaccessable to the speedster for one reason or another (sealed room, remote communication, etc) or advanced technology that is capable of making even the speedster potentially too slow (like how cameras can pick up one frame of the flash being gone, something could get set off if the speedster attempts to move from where they're standing). Things like that.
Didn't Barry say he burns extreme amount of calories when describing the speedforce to Bruce? Hmm, I wonder how that impacts his speed...
Especially when Barry thinks as fast as he runs
"I guess she got bored falling to her death." That is hilarious
Yeah 😎
Lol
@@Z3t487 l
IT WENT DOWN TO 999
*pulls out Iphone to watch Family guy* "falling boring af"
HE HAS RETURNED
As the Prophecy foretold.
Somehow, Madvocate has returned.
WiTh SeCrEtS oNlY tHe SiThS kNeW
I feel that use of capslock and you beat me to it lol
I love Popcorn
@@Saurus990 Lets Murder Plot-Holes and that
whole 'Consistency doesnt matter, lol'-Mentality.
Know how? Lemme tell you f-ing how:
Madvocates did what Jay Exci did via his Doctor Who Review, and that's not even
mentioning Hbomberguys whole channel but especially his RWBY and Sherlock Coverage.
Many do constructive Criticism while being entertaining-af, like them but also Krimson Rogue
or Movie-Flames.
I didn't even think that hard about Barry's lightning before but yeah people couldn't even make the excuse that it's speed force stuff that doesn't do anyhting since he uses it for extremely powerful electric charges to bring back Superman and power up Cyborg. He should be annihilating everything around him every time he uses his powers.
Excellent point.
They should've made it where when he runs normally, there's just a red streak with but when he approaches the speed of light, more and more lighting courses through his body, hence why he would need to approach the speed of light to build enough charge for the mother box.
I think there would be some bs excuse like “the speed force protects life forms from the lightning” but that wasn’t even hinted at and it’s super contrived.
You're right. I always figured that the lightning was just a cosmetic effect and wasn't actually lightning, but then he actually uses it as lightning and that theory goes straight out the window.
imma be honest....who tf cares
He's about to go on another break when he finds out that in the later seasons of CW Flash, Barry has trouble beating a villain whose power consist of mind controlling if you look into her eyes
The pep talks going into overdrive will probably send him over the edge.
After the first time (assuming he didn’t know before trying to talk to her and know what’s going on), it should be pretty easy. Run behind her or if you REALLY want to try talking, have some kind of reflective lenses. So if she even tries to hypnotize you she hypnotized herself.
Don't forget in season 4 were the Flash slips on marbles and doesn't pursue the villain who is getting away in a limo despite not being injured.
@@mrshmuga9 or be on the spectrum thus really good at not making eye contact but still good at being a human
Wait, seriously? I don't watch this show after season 4 (because the show is trash) so I'm really lost
Perfectly reasonable question: "How is Flash so invulnerable to harm/why doesn't his lightning hurt people around him?"
A poor answer: *Because that's how it works in the comics, deal with it*
Perfectly reasonable question: "Why can't he relocate people out of harm's way, at super speed?"
A poor answer: *It only works that way in the comics, he can't do that in this movie*
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The movie answers your second question in when it shows him moving iris during the car crash. We saw he was being extremely gentle with her almost as if she was fragile.
@@Deadpool784 He was also being a creep, but... Okay, then why is he later *not* moving people up the stairs, away from Steven/all the parademons?
@@kylefrank638 because moving people that fast would most likely be deadly to an average human. Did you not read my comment?
@@Deadpool784 I hate to break it to you, but moving Iris """gently""" is a load of bull. Even if he's moving that """slow""", his fingers are still punching into Iris's neck and shoulder and where ever else. If he's protected by the Speed Force enough to tear up asphalt, then he's going to rub her skin off, even just making small, calculated movements. If the excuse is that his Speed Force in turn protects people he rescues... then again, why is he not helping people on the stairs?
@@kylefrank638 Yeah I understand why that would still seem stupid to you because I'm not going to lie none of this shit makes any sense but the movie still shows that moving people at those speeds is potentially dangerous whether you like it or not.
Mate, you didnt just make a 3D simulation to prove some rando on the internet wrong; you spent time writing a resume for the 3d model character to hold in a throwaway clip.
Doing that and your 'the flash is inconsistent' series has earned a sub mate, keep it up
Fr, i really wish that this channel has much more videos
okay now we need to see the flash season 3’s inconsistencies
He said he's only doing season 7 to make it a trilogy and because it's the newest
Edit: Fuck but also AWW YEAHHH
@@toymaster4041 THERE IS NOWHERE TO RUN!
@@lop1652 AHAHAHAHA MARIO MUSIC PLAYS"
@@lop1652 *_AUDI FAMAM_*
@@johnnymanning2952 ohh fucc
Holy cow, I'm so glad you brought up the speed force issue. If someone says: "it was the will of the force" "x explained this in an interview" or "you'd understand this if you read the comics" its probably lazy writing.
@@bigwinz What did this "Just Friends" say?
@@mekingtiger9095 i always love that mystery responder who everyone is pissed af at who then deleted their post, and now no one can understand it. Such a quaint nuisance lol.
@@tuskinradar8688 Oooh, I get the feeling, except from the perspectice of the pissed off person who had the terrible displeasure of reading through all the bastard's comments. The idiot went on and on with stupid nonsensical crap over an entire video's comment section harassing everyone he could there for *6 MONTHS* before finally. At least Tobs Onasaya was a far more chill and passive guy in Madvocate's Flash Season 1 video.
Eren Denburg Niederhoffer PTSD flashbacks from HBomb's RWBY essay video...
thats what The Birdman does "this is why the comics matter, you NEED to read them!" no, if a film cant explain it on its own, the film fails.
@@AzguardMike Presenting the information in a movie shouldn't that be difficult. I don't understand why writers can't get this fact through their thick skulls.
Someone criticizes Snyder
Snyder Cult: "You're just not smart enough to get it."
Criticize in slow mo, that works
Rick and Morty fans, but actually serious.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Snyder movies
I actually saw some of it.
@@coolman229 and u have to have below 80 IQ to think snyder movies are deep and good
Your Flash videos have encouraged me to write my characters with super speed better. Keep making good content and we will coom
You can't write super speed characters good. It's impossible. At least if you care about avoiding plot holes.
@@SteamGrace What? No. Of course it's possible. You need to see some Red Rush.
@@SteamGrace The Flash was handled well in Kingdom Come
@@XenteBR do you remember how Red rush died?
@@diegoclark7697 By being outsmarted by the main antagonist.
You forgot one critical thing you missed. When Berry saved Iris, whilst his lightning was going all around him, he speed back in, into a room full of wood, which would easily ignite and leave lightning marks all around (none of which is in the movie) it also mean that lightning had to miss all those dogs too, which were in such close proximity to one another it would be quite... well you get the point.
Hot dogs.
21:50
*Why yes, I did just create a 3D simulation to prove a rando on the internet wrong.*
*This is what my degree is being used for.*
Good one XD
Too bad, it doesn't prove his point.
@@julianseguin2748 wdym?
@@breawen Considering he hasn't replied to your question after 2 weeks means he's just spitting bull.
@@julianseguin2748 fanboi.
@@julianseguin2748 Said the guy not proving his point
16:29 KAL EL N- **snap**
Would've been a massive improvement ngl
When the world needed him, he returned
5:37 my grandpa got struck by lightning when he was younger, he had burns all over, and had to be resuscitated, but he survived. He was riding a horse in an open field herding cattle, he lightning got dispersed into the horses shoes or something, and the horse died, but he lived.
I hate lightning.
About your point of CW speedsters running to pull of a power...that’s how it *used* to be. As of Season 7, *_lightning_* is now the main power, and they have Jedi lightning lightsaber battles. I wish I was kidding.
We are living in the darkest timeline.
And that's how you delete the already non-existent stakes.
Can't wait to see xenon's response. He won't make one because he thinks you're wrong, he'll make one because you have more subs than him now and he wants a piece
That's harsh... but it's also true.
What's his channel???
Yeah what's his channel?
@@carlweeper7436 Xenon
@@kingtero3826 Xenon.....
Let’s go he’s back
Les goooo
Not gonna lie the editing at 9:00 fooled me for a second. Pretty good stuff.
23:31 there's an even bigger problem with this scene - the hot dog probably wouldn't have impressed the manager, because they can actually be really bad for dogs
I absolutely agree that there should have been an independent film for the flash prior to justice league.
Yes because he more than anyone needs their powers broken down specifically.
And yet…
A thought I had for consequences would be that he saves the girl, but bombs the interview. Then after the time travel he finds out that he got the interview, but the girl died. Barry could even say that a few seconds should only have a ripple of a few days, and maybe ask Bruce if he kept a file on his recent activities so he can see what's changed, or he could keep a diary specifically for this kind of situation.
This would be cool!
Ayy this is nice, plays into that "Time Boom" thing RF mentioned in Flashpoint paradox
A diary would make more sense. The world changes, but not things that go through time travel (like a notepad he keeps on him).
dope but thats iris and there not just gonna kill of iris cause he is barrys only love interest
That makes no sense. Why would his time travel mean he didn't do something he did before the point he time traveled to? That'd be like time traveling to the cretaceous period and that caused something to go extinct in the jurassic period. If something changes it must be something that hasn't already occurred before the point you time travel to.
13:00, the only logical explanation, is that Barry accelerated only his arms when giving this push... Which could be communicated a lot clearer, by only showing lightning aroung his arms when he is giving the push, instead of all around him as usual.
Yeah, the only thing i don't really agree with madvocate.
But Barry's arms should move faster, it's not slow-mo and i can still see his arms moving
EDIT: i completely forgot about physics when i said that 👆. Like in Newton's 3rd law (if you push something, it'll push you back with the same force).
So for Barry who doesn't have super strength, he can't just push that guy and still standing in place like that
But he still breaks the law of physics by running at the speed of light anyway
The fact remains that in any other version of The Flash whether it be comic or television... He needs momentum in order to move anything that hard and fast... To be right behind them and push the parademon thru a wall with no initial running start would imply that Barry is just as physically strong as superman or wonderwoman as long as he moves a part of his body with speedforce... And if not Superman's strength level then Cyborg's... The laws of physics are already broken in a lot of ways in that movie but if he not as strong as the other heros than the parademon would have to weight at least about a third of Barry's weight to pull that move off without him running first... And that's not logical...
@@ArttMann09 Well yes. That's how force works. Mass * Accel. When moving at ridiculous speeds, a hardy enough feather could wipe new jersey off the map.
And again, other versions of the flash in comics of television don't matter. they really don't. Hell, it's technically possible his push happens between frames, as the movie is being filmed at 24 and barry is MUCH faster than 1/24th normal speed.
@@ArttMann09 momentum yes but I think you're overestimating how much he would actually need. With the iris scene he does small gestures to move her around to keep her safe. She no doubt weighs less than the parademon but he does use more force to push the parademon. In flashtime he probably just moderately pushed it and it got launched. I have no doubt in my mind that if he had the forethought and skill he could've guided the car down to the ground intact if only with like hand imprints
@@justsomeguywhoneverdies9210 Yeah even so Barry's hands should've almost seemingly teleported when he pushed him to show that.
The Speed Force is an allegory for the speed at which the Human Eye jumps between panels of a comic, but that's more of a drama-nerd Grant Morrison interpretation, not a dumb jock Snyder interpretation
Could you please elaborate on that take on the Speed Force? It sounds super interesting and I’d like to hear a bit more about it.
@Hello homosapien it's a barrier that surrounds other dimensions, not a dimension itself, but essentially yes. And the meta verse is bloody insane. The actual red stuff the speed force is around is called the Bleed.
@Hello homosapien I gotchu mate
@@theunholysmirk The speed force is bleeding on the multiverse… gross.
@@mrshmuga9 well the multiverse is bleeding, the speed force is more like a very large plaster... which is also gross, so sure!
13:01 The lightning surrounding him suggests he slowed down time to give that "tiny push". Based on the movie's logic that's exactly how someone could get flung at a wall like that man was.
The issue with Barry's powers is that they're so op that most of the fights would be over in a "flash" wink wink... so they just have to make Barry the equivalent of Patrick from spongebob so that the movie can happen 😂
13:01 Considering the rate Barry can accelerate, I’d say he’s pushing him over 100 miles per hour. That’s a pretty generous estimate seeing how ridiculously fast Barry can run at his top speed and how long it takes him to reach it.
Trying to get Snyder fanboys to understand logic is like trying to get Michael Bay to stop using explosions in his movies
It ain't gonna happen
what could u explain to 13 yr old simps who has never touched a comic book ?
honestly my brother is a snyder fan but at least he is not a asshole about it
Well if Bay stops, no one will watch his movies.
At least Bay's self aware that he makes OTT action films. Snyder's deluded himself that he makes brilliant epics.
"I'm like that'd cool
but you live in a fucking dream world"
"I'm like wake the fuck up!!"
My favorite part was when Lex pulled the jolly rancher out of that man's mouth. Pretty epic
They should have just casted Michael Rosenbaum (smallville lex) in the movie. He's probably the best portrayal of Lex and is criminally underrated.
@@nukiesduke6868 Cool. How is that a reply to his comment though?
@@92brunod Really the only comment that mentions Lex. Which was a horrid portrayal. Not to mention the scene he's describing is beyond uncharacteristic for Lex Luthor. Thus "they should have casts Michael rosenbaum"
@@nukiesduke6868 So it's not a reply at all, gotcha.
"the scene he's describing is beyond uncharacteristic for Lex Luthor. Thus "they should have casts Michael rosenbaum"
"
That's a complete non sequitur. Casting Michael Rosenbaum would not fix that scene... writing and casting are two completely different things. The scene would still be just as uncharacteristic but with Michael Rosenbaum doing it.
@@92brunod I uh, don't think he's arguing against the initial comment. He's just chiming in with his thoughts. Don't need to pull out the logical fallacy book on him lmfao
As bad as The Flash show is, I much prefer how he gets his powers in it.
True
That’s a pretty easy bar when the movie doesn’t even bother to explain it, lol.
@@mrshmuga9 indeed
@@mrshmuga9 that’s because it doesn’t matter? I didn’t need to see his backstory when I watched JL. Somehow Paul Dini and Bruce Tim don’t get shit for not making a Hawk girl show and a Martian man Hunter show and a flash show
@@creed8712 Comic books are pretty niche dude
This just made me realize how massive my suspension of disbelief is
"There is nowhere to run"
*smash theme plays*
Dude, I gotta give you props for your background music, it's freaking awesome and for some reason just works so well. I love that song, it's been so long since I listened to it, thanks for reminding me of it.
what’s the title again?
camera footage: shoes stay on.
save iris: destroy everything, and no shoes.
Me: HUH???????????
The fact you had to point out your (100% correct) stance of "solo movies first, team up movies later" is sad because people somehow think skipping out on most of the Justice League's solo movies is ok.
why would the flash just run in circles to reach a certain speed and produce a certain amount of energy, basically doing nothing important during the last act, but then do it instantly while also rewinding time aaaaaand injured??
adrenaline is a helluva drug
well he wasnt injured, he healed himself but yes
Because when the world was bring reversed flash was running faster than light so he already had the charge built up
@@elijahlee3610 exactly, these people are too stupid to understand simple things 😂
He didn’t produce it in an instant, he was doing it while time was rewinding, as for why he didn’t need to run in circles, it was because he was going way faster than the speed of light.
If he doesn’t use the line from homecoming that when peters teacher says
See flash being fast is not always better if ur wrong
I will be disappointed
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This makes NO sense 😂
Finally, we've waited soooo long
Tbh the quality of your videos is something you expect to see in a channel with more than 9 videos. Kudos, you never fail to crack me up
Kudos?
Perfect video, I believe that the problem with super speed is the fact that it's too broken, you literally have all the time in the world to do things and fix problems but because the movie have to go on they drag the power into the ground and only when the climax is near that's when the power goes overboard and starts making sense, super speed is a power that's too good to have and directors can't handle it
Yes, the only ways i can think of to make a character with super speed lose a battle is if both of them have it, the character has some limitation or just has a personality that made it that way, like Jojo, sure, Dio could stop time and kill them all, but he wanted to toy with them
This is a problem that exists whenever there's a speedster. It's not Snyder's fault really. Combined with the fact that the person who created this video likely has only superficial info on how Flash's powers work.
@@thesilver7238 It's fair to judge by the information that the movie provides. We can watch a movie with an encyclopedia at hand.
I'd also like to point out in order to move that fast, your mind needs to be able to process and deliver instructions to the body in order to move correctly. Anyone who's saying he cant think that fast is dumb, also for anyone to move that fast and be functional they would have to have the capacity to perceive, think,react, and strategies to be able get around with super speed without hurting themselves or others.
Last time I was this early to something, Barry was the only CW Flash
10:09
I disagree
I am 100% convinced Snyder Flash does that because Zack thought it was romantic for Barry to gently handle her in a totally not creepy way
Yeah but imagine if he looked like movie bob
@@miracles4219 ...do I have to...?
I mean... if we knew more about their relationship at this stage in time we'd have a better idea of if all that was creepy in the first place. Good point though.
A "romantic" way to touch someone is creepy if that someone is a complete stranger. Do I need to say this? Really?
@@92brunod as that stranger is also dying lmaooo
Loved him destroying Xenon. Last time I saw a man wreck a kid that hard, subway dropped him as their spokesman
DAMN
OH SHIT
Xenon isn't a kid
@@johnsexton4352 wow I’m sure you’re fun at parties😂
Speechless
The ending with #restoresnyderverse really made me laugh
Really good video dude! I like the lightning personality, I love the spectical, I do understand your criticism about it. For it avoiding people, we can assume (from what the film is actively showing us) that it just avoided people. It's not true lightning, it's "speed force" which isn't a scape goat, I'm just saying that it's not actual real world lightning, it's the speedforce that Barry tells us surrounds him. As for the push, though not logistical, he just used his arms in super speed to like, punch/push him. Just planted his feet and pushed with only his arms in super speed. Again, not saying that's logistical, just that that's what's happening, not super strength, just pushing him with superspeed. Honestly, amazing video, and I respect all your views, can't wait till the next one!
7:11
Saw this part after the newest suicide squad movie and I gotta say Waller had to be making some bs to sell her idea. Detachable Kid was a next level joke lmao.
What Madvocate is saying is that it's okay to adapt stuff from the source material BUT make sure the 3rd party media is explained or there'll be questions. Ex: Barry sliding across the street, Diana flight and invisibility inconsistency/inconvenience, Superman's Solar Suit, etc.
if you're watching a four hour movie that is a reshoot of an existing movie, you probably already know what a lot of the shit is
@@devdev5055 yeah but you can’t write something on the assumption that someone will “probably” know other details from other media, a movie shouldn’t be dependent on other media outside of its series in order to cover up things that wouldn’t make sense with only the information given by the movie
@@scolisopod literally the only people who asked for it are fans. Even If there arent fans watching it, I doubt people are going to nitpick to the point of the guy in the vid has done.
@@devdev5055 yeah but u can’t just say if u read the comics you would know dingus, and then suddenly it’s not an issue that they left info out, if it’s supposed to be a standalone universe there shouldn’t have to be a prerequisite of having read or watched other stuff to know how things in the movie work, it’s just not good to make the people who haven’t read the comics have to do homework to find out how it works, consider this being someone’s jumping in point to the dc stuff, they’ve followed the movies up until this and just heard the snydercut came out and decided to watch it bc why not, that’s a pretty common scenario, in fact it happened to me but with marvel stuff, u can’t just leave info out because it exists somewhere else in media, i will agree with you tho that it is a tiny bit nitpicky but something being nitpicky doesn’t mean it’s wrong, and this nitpick is very much correct, i mean ig you could make it so it’s only accessible to people who are already fans of the comics and the tv shows, but that’s just needlessly making ur watch base way smaller, so it’s just not good for any movie to do
@@devdev5055 If you’re making a 4 hour movie, there’s no reason why you can’t include a substantive explanation/origin. Zack had a ton of money and time to put it together, there’s actually no excuse for it when you get a 2nd chance. And if the deflection is “well fans understand” then that also doesn’t hold up. Because fans would want to see more details on how this iteration works. It’s a 4 hour movie for crying out loud. They really couldn’t put in a 10min scene instead of one or two throwaway lines? Look at the difference between Cyborg in Joss’ cut versus Zack’s. Giving some backstory helps the character, not hinders it.
This is how you make that steppenwolf scene better. You having it established in the fight before that while fighting Superman Barry twists his ankle and hurts himself. Then he can't run directly to the mother box without stumbling over and hurting himself. Steppenwolf gets away and it weighs on him. That also sets up his character Arc later in the movie of being even more hurt than and still managing to save everything.
Something I just thought about while rewatching this video - it's quite difficult to make a TV show let alone a single movie about a character that's been around for over half a century.
That's not to say a solo origin movie couldn't fix that, but there have been too many iterations of the character at this point, that there will always be someone to nitpick on their powers or something else. The first iteration of Flash is vastly different from the one we mostly know now.
13:11 that is actually how physics work lmao, speed x mass = Force. So, yeah, Barry pushing someone really fast would essentially be pushing them with super strength cause he's just generating force, and you can see he's using his speed for the push so idk man, that one feels like bad criticism. As for the response, those other speedsters are canonically slower than Ezra's when performing those fears, but regardless, a person with superspeed could PUSH somebody at superspeed without needing a running start, superspeed applies to more than your legs, ya know? Moving your arms a couple inches at mach 20 is going to generate insane amounts of force. And just to cover my bases, in third party media, speedsters have been shown to deliver devastating punches while standing still by vibrating their fist to give it more mass before delivering the punch, more mass plus speed equal crazy amounts of force
This is the most I’ve ever heard anyone talk about the manager of the pet store in the Snyder cut
"Oh gosh... I hope everyone's okay!"
Bilbo Skyrunner
Actually if you look at the way Barry pushes the pairademon it should’ve actually landed on its face flat on the ground. He puts his hands on its back and normal speed and then slightly pushes him in super speed.
The biggest gripe here is that Barry's whole character in Snider's movie is essentially Wally West's character from the Justice League cartoon but with less depth.
And infinitely more annoying.
Does anyone know the video where the guy says "so zack snyder actually answered this" then it cuts to a skeleton falling off a chair?
I agree with Mauler and Madvocate about Josstice League it's bad, but the Snyder Cut is worse. Josstice League tries to fix Snyder's mistakes. He had an excuse, Snyder did not. Josstice League actually tried to focus on things that don't break canon. Just look at the Wonder Woman bank scene, Joss didn't have her shown killing people and kept her consistent from BvS. Snyder makes her kill everybody in front of kids because 'rule of cool'.
14:47
How is josstice league better than the snyder cut? Steppenwolf has no motive, flash, cyborg, and aquaman had no character development, there was too much forced jokes, and it made the whole justice league look pathetic compared to superman.
@@pizzatime4204 Just watch Mauler's Justice League video
@@kidkatanatv Mauler is right about what Joss tried to fix, but overall it’s a worse movie, i mean it’s probably the worst superhero movie ever made
@@defenderofminorities3056 The only things I like from josstice league, was the post credit scene, and the scene with flash and cyborg
@@defenderofminorities3056 I mean yeah he had to work with chopped editing in a short amount of time. What's Snyder's excuse?
The "Superman push" excuse would work if they had shown Barry flying when going into Aquaman.
they think a villain superman would love tap someone charging at him. if he did push him, they would be both flying far away from the fight.
22:59 , to further your point. In the CW Most of the time the lightning is behind them at speed, but when in "flash time" the lightning kinda just sticks to them and spazzes out in. Though at 24:10 it could be argued that super speed was used, due to the lightning and the fact that cyborg gets absolutely slung instantaneously. Your counter argument even uses a third party to try and confirm that he would probably need to build speed, but Snyder's flash could beyond easily destroy sneakers by shifting himself with his feet. The need for building speed doesn't seem like an issue for this flash. Ultimately your argument about the writing though is completely true, and it wouldn't make sense to write differently from what the flash's perceived powers are.
Man, it's funny cause even if the flash stole everything in his lab from different places, he still wouldn't be HALF the criminal his actor is
found this channel out of nowhere. Im here for the long run.
“There’s nowhere to run”
You can even find dog shit here as well
That scene where he pushes the guy “without super speed” I’m pretty sure he is using super speed, cause the sparks are still going around him, and it’s just his arms moving fast.
movie doesn't show us that since he actually goes full stop, if snyder wants to use "real life" logic for barry's superspeed then he'd just melt the demon's skin with friction, not push him around
@@SpiderRodrigo yeah, if anything his hands would just rip right through the parademon’s torso.
I believe for the push one, his hand was moving at super speed, so it propelled the parademon far
Is it just me or in that scene where he seems to push the enemy at "normal speed" he is actually using super speed. In that scene at the jail where Barry draws a face on the guy behind him super fast without him noticing, he doesn't have to build up speed to do that. I know, it's not like he's using force to do that, the point I'm making is that he can reach that imperceptible speed in less than a second. If that's so, then when he was pushing that parademon, he might've started pushing it with normal speed, but he could've gone into super speed before he finished, which would've absolutely sent the parademon flying. If a tiny push traveling hundreds if not thousands of miles per hour (or miles per second, doesn't really matter a whole lot) makes contact with someone, they are going flying, similar to how a punch from a speedster traveling near or past the speed of light (or even significantly slower than that) would decimate anyone instantly.
Perhaps the real reason why this Flash just stands around and does nothing or just talks/screams from time to time is because he has nobody who would tell him "Run, Barry, RUN!!!" and he hasn't figured that one out by himself yet
The part where Barry's shoes rip but not his clothes is probably just so the movie wouldn't be R rated, similar to how Wolverine's shirt ripped near the end of X-men: The Last Stand but his pants were fine. As for the lightning, while it does have the risk of frying every living organism within a 10 meter radius, it also looks much cooler than CW's Flash, and it's apparent that how cool a scene looks matters more to the creators than the cracks it puts in established Canon, like how Wonder Woman blew up that building when she could've just tackled the shooter when he was reloading
the movie was r rated. but most of these scenes were just to look cool. i dont think ppl should overthink the effects of the lightning because if it did have any sorts of effects then this would be a whole other kind of r rated boys level shit
I'm fairly lenient with source material stuff, especially if the movie at least provides some potential context clues, but I don't think it works with the DCEU because it is pretty different from the source material.
Which is fine. I think the strength of an adaptation is you can do things differently, at least to a limit. Change too much and I think you're stretching what an adaptation actually is, and at that point why not create an original character/universe?
I have so many complaints about Superman in the DCEU, but I was actually okay with him killing Zod. Using the source material, yes, Superman doesn't kill. But this is clearly not that version of Superman, and he never expresses actually having those values. Same with Batman killing/using guns. Or to switch franchises, Cap killing people when the source material (usually) went out of their way to say that, even in WW2, Cap avoided killing people.
Given how different this adaptation is with all the other characters, I don't think it's a stretch to say DCEU Flash is very different from the source material. The first thought I had when Madvocate was mentioning the origins is how the source material origin specifically doesn't work for this version of Barry because he's not working with the police. It could be a similar thing where he's hit by lightning and knocked into chemicals, or it could be radically different, just like how Cyborg's source material (up until new 52) had nothing to do with motherboxes.
And, again, I'm not saying deviations are bad, but I think especially if you want to deviate, you really need to explain said deviation. This is why solo movies are recommended before team up movies, it lets you get to know the character/what they are capable of, so in the team up movie you have less questions and can better understand the stakes, plus you don't have to worry about loading it down with exposition to try and explain what would be covered in a solo movie.
With Flash specifically, I think if he had a solo movie where he had to resort to time travel and it had some severe consequences would really make his time travel scene in JL hit home harder, because we've seen him deal with consequences. As it stands, he just vaguely implies bad stuff might happen, but he seemingly does it without consequence twice. So for all we know, he just meant it's bad because it takes such a toll on him or could even kill him or something. But if we saw in a solo movie the universe drastically changing because of his time travel, we'd understand and appreciate way more why he's so reserved about using it in JL and how big of a deal it is.
And, hey, if we're talking source material, IIRC in all the stuff Synder mentioned about what his future JL movies would look like, I don't think he ever mentioned there being any consequences whatsoever for Flash time traveling. If anything, he seems to further imply there's no consequences because his apocalypse is supposed to be averted by Flash using time travel to warn Bruce, so the apparent "consequence" is the world doesn't become the knightmare universe which...isn't a compelling reason for the Flash to not time travel.
Yes that makes a lot of sense, in some other places he is scared of time travelling because even if the world is an apocalipse, it may turn out worst if he goes back, it's a shame Snyder didn't think this through
Superman's CORE character is he doesn't kill people.
Captain America is literally a soldier in WWII, if the original didn't kill people it was likely due to some weird "Comics are for kids, none of them can kill people no matter what" bullshit that's pretty outdated. It'd just be stupid to slap an absolute no kill law on a SOLDIER fighting in WWII. So they just didn't, they made it realistic, without making it TOO realistic, cause it IS still a comic book movie, and the main villain of said movie is a dude with a red skull face. They found the balance and they stuck with it. Tony isn't the type of person to hesitate to kill people, especially in the situation he was in. There's no rational reason Tony should give a fuck. So he doesn't. He arms himself with fucking flamethrowers.
Batman has ONE big rule, do not kill. He breaks that rule constantly. Why are you using Batman?
Superman has ONE rule, do not kill. He breaks that rule in his debut movie and feels NOTHING regarding the decision and he also kills THOUSANDS of innocent people at least and doesn't give a single shit about it either. He's barely even human.
WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY CALLING HIM SUPERMAN?
It's like introducing a character named the Flash, and then he's not a speedster WHY IS HE CALLED THE FLASH THEN!? Or putting in the Green Lantern.
And he's fucking blue. Changes have to be considered on a CHARACTER by CHARACTER basis. Changing CAPTAIN AMERICA'S hesitation to kill people (which isn't really a thing anymore as far as I can tell in any media I'm personally aware of) is incredibly different to changing BATMAN'S hesitation to kill people. A Batman that's more than willing to kill people at the drop of a hat, is literally not Batman. There's actually another character entirely for that. The result of Batman losing himself and awakening a sort of emergency personality.
Batman Zur-En-Arrh.
Apparently that's the default for the DCEU.
Not that we ever got a fucking Batman movie for the DCEU. So as far as I'm concerned, we have yet to SEE Batman in the DCEU.
The technical consequence is that Barry and the universe he traveled from literally vanish from existence. In a sense they would sacrifice their universe to prevent another from ending up the same way. How that would have been clarified for portrayed we'll never know, but at least there's that.
Petition to make Madvocate the director of the upcoming flash movie? Not the man we deserve but the man we need
9:53 oh, it's like static electricity caused by moving superfast through the air molecules? That's cool af.
2:33 Ok, in the flash movie we see "Terry" shooting lightning out of his hands because he built up too much of it, clearly showing that it isn't just the speedforce, it can be harmful, and it builds up the faster they go, like just general energy would. Perhaps the lightning is drawn from the energy pulled out of the speedforce, but it is still uncontrolable energy, and extremely dangerous.
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This part in particular caught me off guard
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I think the crazy things happen to time refers to just traveling back in time in general. Obviously he would restrict himself from running at light speed at any regular occasion because it would be annoying to constantly send yourself back in time when you do not need to and you did not intend to.
the illuminati doesnt want you to know madvocate has 20 clones
It's like the cw flash is the evil villain who could just kill the hero but still decides to monologue and then is surprised that he lost, its hilarious
13:19 I don’t think he pushed him at normal speed. The flash is able too concentrate his speed to various parts of his body, so I assume he stopped & concentrated his speed into his hands giving him some type of power push in his hands.
That makes even less sense
@@Mortimer_RS You gotta be into the comics/character and understand how his powers work. If you did some research It'll make sense
@@ItzBigby First off, that's a bullshit argument, if you can't explain anything and has to rely on comics to make sense out of things then maybe you have to recognize that is bullshit, second, I'm like into comics, like too much into comics, and what Flash seems to be doing in this scene is ACCELERATING not accumulating speed, use the correct terms dimwit.
@@Mortimer_RS OP is correct but I wanna expand a bit. Instead of running before hand he just pushed the it at super speed. Its as simple as that. If u feel so inclined i go into more detail in my another comment which u can find by clicking on my profile picture.
@@Mortimer_RS It wasn’t meant to bee a argument 💀 I jus don’t feel like explaining it 🤣 Read a comic for yourself instead of a outside source 💯
The zack snyder flash is giving me a lot of epilepsy.
Flash could've pushed the parademon that hard, if he was still moving at superspeeds, and transfered the speed to his arms as stored kinetic energy.
Changing his movement from running, to twisting and compressing, for the push.
He did have the lighting that you said was a sign that he activated his powers, after all.
It would be the same as running up to something and stopping to transfer your momentum into a punch, but maybe it looked silly, because he looked so fast (To us) and has no technique.
Try surprise pushing a person that way, and they'll move a good distance, because they weren't ready and would stumble to catch themselves. Add superspeed. The person would essential slam themselves for you.
this point is cool and all but i think, to switch from "running around" to "twisting and compressing" he'd have to either have rolling balls for joints like a robot or literally shatter his own bones to make his arms spin around and preserve momentum, the problem with the scene is not simply him pushing but the fact that he *actually* goes full stop before the push for a few seconds, instead of like making a very tight curve and then pushing the demon
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Go watch karate punching drills. The twist comes Frome the rear leg and the force transfers through the hip into the lowered arm for the extending punch. Essentially, it's stepping. Try it yourself. Step around something and generate force from the rear leg and "Twist" the hip. Same thing. The difference is reading and defining words in your mind vs experiencing it through feeling and proper execution.
Compression adds power to everything sports related. A throw, a kick or a punch. It's like jumping while practically still. You don't need to be a machine. Even fencers use this. Hahaha shatter his own bones... What was that equation about speed=_______
i mean, im very late to this. but at 13:20, the push argument. the lightning is shooting out when he pushes him. meaning the last inch barry probably activated it to deal that kinda damage
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Also don't forget the manager did look outside which means she raised her head and she was facing the direction of the dogs and there was no one in there. Even though he eyes weren't focused on that, she still would've seen that because it's still in her field of view
13:10 Newton's second law: F = ma. This Flash may not have much mass but he can accelerate to near lightspeed over a very small distance, creating a tremendous amount of force, even if it's just a tiny push. He's not strong in the same way as Superman but he's definitely powerful.
It's the third law that always gets ignored here. Speedforce something something I guess.
I love that Zack Snyder barely had presented all the DC heroes and he basically brings Doomsday, kills Superman, bring back superman and then planned a catastrophich sequel like Flashpoint saga with a dystopic world and Darkseid as his next enemy. DC universe is worse than Invencible messy universe
Agreed. Most of this shit would be done after they’ve made like at least 3 JL films, Not at the first one.
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These aged well.
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22:12 kinda aged like milk, or wine cuase like it works even better now
13:02 there's something like KERS, kinetic energy recovery system, in formula 1 racing. So kinetic energy build up seems plausible for the Flash.
I had no idea there was flash beef !
It's actually pretty fun.
3:24 Wasn't Iris in a car going over 30mph? Wouldn't putting her on the ground still leave her at the mercy of momentum causing her to continue moving, scraping along the road?
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Why don't they get electrocuted by Barry's lighting when they were on a "metal staircase" and he was running up and down it generating a storm's worth of lightning?
27:50 they could’ve easily said Barry closed his eyes before impact and didn’t see Superman moving out the way, but Superman saw him close his eyes and moved
I like to see you cover all the CW superhero shows and their inconsistency.
22:10 Both the CW and the DCEU have made Barry and Iris's relationship creepy apparently.
No not really for cw Barry and Iris.
If anyone says Barry fell in love with his sister . They knew each other way before they started live each other , he liked her way before his mom died. They were best friends so…….. Barry did not fall in love with her after he lived with Joe . He loved her before
Its great because i can watch a movie and enjoy it and not care about any of this or even notice but its so fucking funny when you point it out.
10:43 Not to mention, the dogs around him would be startled at the fact a guy just teleports to where they are and should be tearing him to shreds.
19:37 I think he's broke BECAUSE he bought that equipment. Not to defend him though.
The interview scene was only entertaining to me because it was the only spark of life in an hour and I needed something to wake my brain up