I recently used it intensive. I have to say, if your lens has stabilizing and you do the same effect in Resolve, it will produce the same result, then without but gyro data. The main thing here is, that you are more save with lenses that have no internal stabilizing. The camera does that all automatically, so no worry about what you use. Keep shutter low, use double frame rate and avoid motion and lens blur. For me it is better then using a gimbal.
Thanks, I was planning to try exactly the same experiments as soon as I had a spare hour or two. This saves me a job and it's a really nice video. I currently use a Canon C200 with stabilised lenses for most of my run and gun filming and the BMP6K for tripod based interviews and static shots. I think may now change...
Hey mate, I've watched a fair few of your videos as I'm looking at getting a bmpcc4k in the next few months. I really appreciate the simplistic style of your videos. On RUclips, it can become a mess of flashy and high-tempo content. But the classy simplistic approach combined is a welcome change!
sounds great. the stabilizers already in davinci do an amazing job with traditional tripod movements like pans. but following a subject or having something move in frame is absolutely a deal breaker. so from what i'm hearing the gyro works well with these types of situations which is all i wanted.
using a good vector based motion blur back into the footage looks amazing with a fast shutter. Fusion has one on board (I think only in paid though). I do a lot of FX work and always shoot high frame rates and do the MB in post. its much better than a simple 2D motion blur you find at the basic level.
Because I am interested in buying one of these cameras - I contacted Blackmail and asked about moire the camera's footage. The technician wrote back and stated that he hadn't heard of any moire issues for years (suggesting that it no longer existed), but it's clear that it still is an issue.
I'm surprised they said that. The cameras don't have optical low pass filters so there is always a chance you'll get moire. Higher resolution, like 6K, might help reduce it, but it is still there.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw I didn't like the tone of their reply, because it implied that I was possibly a fool for being concerned about moire with their cameras. I heard that the Panasonic S1H has a good anti--aliasing filter.
I already shoot very smooth handheld footage, I’ve had a lot of practice getting smooth handheld shots. This feature will help me get the rest of the way there! Even though I have a gimbal, it’s nice to know I don’t need to bring it on every single run and gun shoot!
You don't need to calibrate the Motion Sensor to get this feature to work. You can calibrate it if you want, but from my tests there were no differences between clips shot before or after a calibration. All you get is a blue Horizon crosshair after a successful calibration. Just wanted to let you know that :)
I can't remember whose video it was, but someone on youtube has a video of uncalibrated footage and it's bouncing around all over the place. Maybe it's like the tint on the 6K Pro screen, mine never had the problem but others needed the calibration option to correct the blue/green shift. Can't imagine Blackmagic would got to the effort to include the option if there was no point in having it.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Very interesting! Yeah I'm in no doubts that some cameras will be miscalibrated from the factory or maybe it happens during the update stage, who knows. That calibration must do something, absolutely. But some of the ways people have explained it as the Camera Gyro option won't appear if you don't calibrate the motion sensor first, which is wrong 😅
@@AnotherCameraChannel Ah, okay, I see what you're saying. You have me interested. I'm going to see if I can un-calibrate my camera in some way and test if it makes a difference or not. Just for the fun of it. 😃👍
That does sound like fun actually 😂 I wonder if you’d have to be violently moving the camera during an update or factory reset? 🤔 maybe that’s when it develops it’s initial bearings or if it’s another sensor that could be tampered with with proximity to magnets or electricity Don’t break your camera though 😅
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw thanks! I've been seeing some glitches with the update so I'm hesitate to update, also. putting off switching to Resolve for as long as possible lol
@@bluebell1571 Yeah, the 18 beta is a little glitchy, but that's to be expected. Resolve in general is great. I've never had any crashers in 17. I have no regrets about switching from PremPro.
I find that any gyro stabilized footage from _any camera with the feature_ has the same issue at 180° shutter angle or the equivalent shutter speed. Makes sense, it's physics, Would be nice if software could go the extra mile and smooth that out somehow given how predictable and similar the resulting behavior is on the sensor. Nice vid.
It would be amazing if they could come up with some clever software fix for the motion blur. How they would do it is beyond my understanding. But I've seen some impressive photoshop style fixes for blurred or out of focus photos, so maybe the is hope that they could work something out.
@@johndon7377 you don't. You decrease the shutter angle in an attempt to find the subtle line between too fast and too slow and maintain a decent level of true motion blur while eliminating as much hand motion added blur to every single frame. decreased shutter angle, or increase shutter speed.
honestly your best bet is to shoot at high shutter if you can afford the light loss. you can always introduce motion blue in post with a vector based process. Fusion uses one
Unfortunately, there is a bug in resolve and there is a drift at the beginning of every stabilized clip. At longer focal lengths it makes destabilized footage essentially unusable. It has been acknowledged by BM. As of the 18.5 public beta, the issue still exists.
Well, with all respect, it is unreasonable to expect tripod and gimbal replacement from stabilization, event IBIS is mostly to remove micro jitters and to create pleasant handheld look. Regarding the motion blur, it seems would work the best with slow motion footage. Thanks, it was interesting.
Gyro is better than IBIS, it just has shutter speed limitations. And IBIS on some cameras is already pretty good, so it's a matter of time we get an uncompromised stabilization of some sort.
@@berkertaskiran yes, there are pretty good, but I don't think it would be uncompromised solutions of any sort. There are always going to be ups and downs and the best tool for the job
I never said I expected it to replace a tripod or gimbal. I said, "could it". There has been a lot of excitement about the introduction of this feature I thought this would be an interesting way to test it out but also show some of its limitations. 👍
@Sergey Kryukov well, with ML technology it might be possible, but doesn't make sense:) In this case the important part is bot to get rid of motion blur, but rather not to make it worse.
I wonder how the stabilized footage would look if shot in a slow motion camera setting and then sped up to normal speed in post? How would you judge the Black Magic cameras with the post stabilization and a camera with In in-body image stabilization? Thanks for an excellent review.
Interesting idea. I’m not sure. My instinct is it would have the same problems but I could easily be wrong. I think good IBIS is probably better because it is stopping the problem from happening rather than fixing it after it has happened. But depends on how good it is.
Sony is doing this too with their catalyst software. It is painfully slow. But they are capturing this data too. I wonder if Resolve will be able to use this info too? It could be the future. Go Pro and Insta360 make some incredible footage natively using this reframe technique.
I don't think it will work. I only have one stabilized lens and having stabilisation turned on and using the gryo stabilisation makes the image more jittery not less. I would guess this is because the camera doesn't know that the lens is correcting the jitters and the camera gyro is recording what is happening in the camera body. You'd probably be better using one of the other stabilization setting in resolve where it actually looks and analyses the image and then corrects it based on that.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Yeah, you're right - I don't know if it will change in the future (or if it's even possible to know what that's doing), but currently you should disable lens stabilisation if you want to use gyro stabilisation
You should disable. Gyro record camera motion, if lens stabilize in different direction camera cannot know, lens cannot communicate Stabilization data to camera, then resolve when try to stabilize footage if go in the opposite direction of lens instead to stabilize enhance the motion jitter. On 4K I read somewhere that stabilizer should be disable, on 6k is I enable lens stabilizer camera not record gyro datas or… resolve when see that not enable gyro stabilization on that footage. I use resolve 18b6
For this I just turned on the rec709 LUT that's embedded in the Braw file and then slapped on the Modobytes free LUT. You can get it from the link in his video here ruclips.net/video/Zd-MmOJ4aRE/видео.html
Does it work on all braw modes? I have braw full hd file (crop mode), 5:1 comp and there is no gyro stab function in Resolve. But when i tested with 4k file everything was ok.
Was slightly unnerved by your accent delivery and twittering bird soundtrack I thought I was watching an episode of countryfile. That said you exposed the issues that qualifies the excitement about this feature and you were surprisingly thorough. It just goes to show that regional accents can be misleading and still have a received sensibility. It was a bit like listening to test match special or the snooker. I really thought I’d know better. Apologies but thanks.
🤣 Thanks, Ken. I appreciate the feed back. I was considering using a pumping Drum & Bass soundtrack instead of the birdsong but somehow it just didn't seem to fit. Out of interest, where do you think my regional accent is from?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw for some reason I thought Yorkshire. Also it could be the close mic but you sound a lot older in vo than you appear. Prejudicially old! It’s a sign of the times that the received youtuber content creator is a twenty something Canadian on a one wheel. I know it’s nonsense but for anyone putting out content these perceptions are strangely pervasive even for those of us who completely disagree with their validity. Btw I didn’t intend my comments to be a criticism in any way. More power to your elbow.
@@KenFlanagan No criticism taken, Ken. It's fascinating to find out what people think. I'm from the Wirral. In person people outside the area think I'm from Liverpool. Even people in Chester, which is only 10mins down the road, but most Scousers can recognise I'm not truly from the city. It's interesting to see if that come across in the videos. Anyway, I'm off to order a One Wheel and capture that youth market.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Dude get yourself a flat cap whippet and a huge double barrel Purdey and threaten to come round to each and every subscriber for a cup of tea if they don't hit the like button. Great to see you have a sense of humour. Let that flow. Good luck with everything. Thanks for taking the time to reply. You tube needs more regional diversity.
I'm not sure how I can quantify in words how good it would be, but you're right that the longer the lens, the more stabilisation it will need. All depends on how stabile the footage is to begin with. If I was handheld shooting at 200mm it would be unusable even with gyro stabilisation.
I would think the longer the lens the better of with onboard optical stabilizers. you can always try it though. just input the lens info to the camera first
Does anyone know lenses that I can use with my Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k Pro that are compatible with the Blackmagic zoom and focus demand attachments? I have found no info online about it
I run the Bluetooth+ App on my iPhone. I can wireless control the Sigma Art 18-35 f1.8 as well as the Canon 50mm f1.8 and some Canon L Series lenses that I’ve laying around. In principle this must be the same metadata that the Focus Demand can handle, just with the USB protocol and not over Bluetooth.
If you’re shooting in daylight you should shoot in slomo. You need to give the software as many frames as possible so it’s guessing less with interpolation.
1. But what if you don't want your footage in slow-motion? 2. Is anything being interpolated? If the software is using the gyro data from the camera what is it guessing? Genuine question.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw if you don’t want it in slomo then speed it up after. I’ve always shot slomo on shots I felt would have to be stabilized after.
Not at the moment because it’s using metadata that’s saved within BRAW. Maybe Blackmagic will open it up in the future but it probably has more to do with If Sony will let them.
Hey Nice Video, Still my 6k or 4 K are miles away from Panasonic S5 IBIS...even with 5.9K braw VLOG with Blackmagic assist I don't need a Gimbal and thé footage look much better handheld vs BMPCC6K... S5 BRAW Vlog is top!
Thanks for sharing. I've never used the Panasonic S5 but I understand that all Panasonics have good IBIS. And it's great you can get Braw over the hdmi.
@@BlueKoastrecords V log is the log profile Braw is the recording format... Blackmagic use on 4K 6K "Gen5 Film" log profile and it is as well .braw file
@@friedpicklezzz Dude Black Magic Video Assist 12G support it I own one Vlog is the log profile encoded in Braw which is not a true raw codec but everyone knows it...raw over HDMI connection
@@filipmichalsaffray441 Yup, you're right. I personally use Vlog in Prores Raw since I already had the Ninja V from Atomos when I got the S5, but you definitely can shoot Vlog in BRAW as well if you use the 12G from Black Magic. So yeah, it does exist and has for awhile now. Lots of cameras has the option to shoot log in BRAW nowadays.
@@the-entertainment477 If you use a lens without electronic contacts you need to input the focal length of the lens. The video will explain some other best practices to get the most from it.
I have two BMPCC4k. One of my pocket 4K's refuses to calibrate, and both of them don't seem to record the gyro data. Very annoying. Don't know what to do. Yes, I've updated my camera and my davinci
Sounds very frustrating. The only thing I can think is to do a factory reset and then reinstall the latest firmware. I know this is a silly question but you're shooting in Braw?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw yes Braw, definitely. I have tried resetting the camera under settings-setup, but it only seems to do a very superficial camera reboot. The same new firmware is still there.
@@Nicdehouwer Very strange. The only thing I can think is to install one of the older firmwares like 7.1 (the should still be available on the BM website if you scroll back far enough. Then re-install the latest one. See if that kickstarts something. If not, I'd contact Blackmagic support about it. They are normally pretty good. Maybe they can shed some light. Did you buy your cameras at the same time, are they part of the same batch?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw no, the one that refuses to calibrate is by far the newer one.. :( I live in Belgium so I don't know if there's anything like a proper Blackmagic Support.
@@Nicdehouwer The is a new camera 7.9.1 update out today. If that doesn't help I'd try the Blackmagic support on their website - try the US or UK one if there isn't a EU one.
it works quite well. software stabilization has to overwork on handheld jitters. youre trying to do multiple things in one pass. The gyro stab is more of a steadicam, or IBIS approach, then software stab will run the smoothing algorithms. just do a gyro, pre render or bake.. then run the software. it looks quite nice
@@gssg2010 good deal. And I dont know your level of need, but you should really start looking into fusion. I understand it seems alien to people who are used to layered editing, but if you start small with tiny bites you'll find it to be so powerful you'll get addicted. node based work is where its at. have fun and make great work out there!
interesting video and practical application showing the horrible motion blur effects. The BMPCC is really not suited for handheld operation, and not practical with a gimbal. And this gyro stabilisation can be interesting to explore, but all the actual footage from other gyroscopic systems like Sony or with electronic stabilisation is actually hard to use due to the motion blur artefacts that look so weird on the stabilised footage. So, maybe having a very quick shutter speed can be a way to go.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw no, as I am a Sony user, I can’t try out it myself, but looks promising as that software has some damn good results with gopros and many other cameras. If the BMPCC are exporting gyro metadata in the archives with this update is a nice thing to try!
@@bvisuals6295 Yeah, unfortunately I don't think we can get at the gyro data in the BRAW yet (I could be wrong) but if they open that up, who knows what is possible.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw rereading that, It maybe came out wrong! Wasn’t trying to bash you! But if I could give you a suggestion, add some weight to your camera or use 3 points of contact and move your body, not hands!
@@stevendukedesigns Fair enough. I deliberately tried not to reduce shake in the test shots to see just how good the gyro stabilisation is or isn't. Most people watch on their phone, so I wanted to try and produce the biggest contrast to make it visible how much work the stabilisation is doing. I used the camera bare bones and picked a focal length that would start to show the hand shakes without being too long to get establishing style shots. I agree with your advice on handheld shooting and I would try my best to get the steadiest footage normally. 👍
oddly I know quite a few people who wont touch it. even optical in lens. I personally think its an amazing piece of tech for run n gun and general shooting. anything that gets us closer to a good result im down with.. including the gyro stabilization here.
these cameras just seem like you need to do wayyy too much work to just make them on point. I've never liked the BMPCC line. Great concept, too much tinkering to get the camera to just produce
Just use a gimbal its not worth the effort to do all that in post. If you can afford a BMPCC and all the gear you need to buy along with it to shoot video then you can afford a gimbal. I can't afford a BMPCC but i have a gimbal. I'm using a 750$ Sony ZV-1 and a Zhiyun Crane that i bought off of FB marketplace for 75$. For the price its literally the cheapest accessory you can buy for that camera. You can pick up a gimbal for less then the cost of a replacement battery lol.
I agree, it’s not very practical and for most things far to much fuss. A lot of gimbals don’t work with the pocket cameras become they’re a strange shape/size. You need to buy counter weights to balance them so I can understand why people wanted the feature.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw A BMPCC is not really a pocket camera. That thing is not fitting in anyones pocket lol. And it would easily balance on probably every full size camera gimbal. in body stabilization is not a common feature and is really a unrealistic expectation unless you shoot on action cameras. Especially in cinema style cameras. I can't buy the fact that people think a gimbal is too much effort or a pain. A BMPCC is not exactly a point and shoot. Odds are rigging up a few components so how much extra work is needed to balance it on a gimbal.
What an incredible useless video. Sorry to say. We know what stabilization is and isn't. Stabilization has never worked and isn't intended to replace a tripod! Not in-camera stabilization (of the sensor) not digital stabilization, not LENS stabilization, and also not gyrodata stabilization. Why compare this gyrodata stab. in particular to gimbals, tripods and so forth? Maybe compare it to other kinds of stabilization. That would be interesting. Else you could just name the video what you can and cannot expect of stabilization in general. Nothing new.
Sorry, Tom! Didn't realise the world revolved around you. Must be great to be able to speak for everyone with statements like "We know what stabilization is and isn't." - not at all pompous.
Its an entry level camera (into the 6k world) with post production updates. Anyone that can afford this camera SHOULD have upgraded to lenses with IS and purchased a gimbal prior. The reality is that for an entry level camera from any corporation, you will NOT get the top tier hardware or software options. I shoot mostly B roll, interviews, documentation work. If I want Netflix quality production, I have no business looking at anything with words like "pocket" or "pro" in the name.
davinci resolve is not a top tier software option? or do you mean in camera? what in camera options are not "top tier." Also, you do realize most "Netflix production" cameras dont use IBIS or stabilized lenses right?
@@flipnap2112 Yes I realize that Netflix (or any large scale production studio or accredited DP) cameras are usually Prime lenses that cost over 10k and sit on bodies and rigs over 40-200k mSRP. Yes, I realize this. Davinci Resolve IS an industry leader in editing ( I never said it wasn't), but what they've done is relatively new to the industry- to provide a camera AND software to edit and (last time I checked) a dedicated video editor hardware bundle.Avid didn't even provide this much in its prime. Im talking about the camera itself and what it represents. Its entry level into the 6k world. It's designed to usher in new investment buyers (indie production people that will one day grow into established producers). IThe camera is a godsend for the smaller budget, but what Ive found is that most people looking at this camera (and all other before it) want it ALL. And we have seen Canon, Sony, etc give budget DPs a few things in one camera, but never everything. This method cuts back on product cannibalization- something that Canon learned the hard way with the first XL1 back in the early 2000s. Same with the DAT recorders and what Avid did to itself with the lower-end Avid software (costs 2,500) versus the Avid system (which costs 50K).
This is one of the best BMPCCC video's I've seen.
Thanks mate. Happy you think so.
I recently used it intensive. I have to say, if your lens has stabilizing and you do the same effect in Resolve, it will produce the same result, then without but gyro data. The main thing here is, that you are more save with lenses that have no internal stabilizing. The camera does that all automatically, so no worry about what you use. Keep shutter low, use double frame rate and avoid motion and lens blur. For me it is better then using a gimbal.
Thanks, I was planning to try exactly the same experiments as soon as I had a spare hour or two. This saves me a job and it's a really nice video.
I currently use a Canon C200 with stabilised lenses for most of my run and gun filming and the BMP6K for tripod based interviews and static shots. I think may now change...
Thanks, mate. I'm glad it helped.
Hey mate, I've watched a fair few of your videos as I'm looking at getting a bmpcc4k in the next few months. I really appreciate the simplistic style of your videos. On RUclips, it can become a mess of flashy and high-tempo content. But the classy simplistic approach combined is a welcome change!
Thank you mate - enjoy your camera when you get it
sounds great. the stabilizers already in davinci do an amazing job with traditional tripod movements like pans. but following a subject or having something move in frame is absolutely a deal breaker. so from what i'm hearing the gyro works well with these types of situations which is all i wanted.
So far so good. I guess more discoveries about how good it is and best working practices will be made as more people start using it.
lowering my frame angle to around 75, and increasing my shutter speed helped get rid of the issues you mentioned
Yes, I mentioned this towards the end of the video. Shooting between 75 and 90 seems to be a sweet spot for removing micro jitter blur. 👍
using a good vector based motion blur back into the footage looks amazing with a fast shutter. Fusion has one on board (I think only in paid though). I do a lot of FX work and always shoot high frame rates and do the MB in post. its much better than a simple 2D motion blur you find at the basic level.
Because I am interested in buying one of these cameras - I contacted Blackmail and asked about moire the camera's footage. The technician wrote back and stated that he hadn't heard of any moire issues for years (suggesting that it no longer existed), but it's clear that it still is an issue.
I'm surprised they said that. The cameras don't have optical low pass filters so there is always a chance you'll get moire. Higher resolution, like 6K, might help reduce it, but it is still there.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw I didn't like the tone of their reply, because it implied that I was possibly a fool for being concerned about moire with their cameras. I heard that the Panasonic S1H has a good anti--aliasing filter.
Seems like cranking the shutter is a must with this technique because it of the motion blur issue.
Yes, it would appear that way.
I already shoot very smooth handheld footage, I’ve had a lot of practice getting smooth handheld shots. This feature will help me get the rest of the way there! Even though I have a gimbal, it’s nice to know I don’t need to bring it on every single run and gun shoot!
Shame it's only built into the braw codec, but still awesome to see some internalized stabilizing capabilities. BlackMagic is killing it
I'm guessing it's only in BRAW because it's Blackmagic's codec and adding it to ProRes might need some agreement with Apple.
Good breakdown! I hope they have something similar hidden in the 12K camera as well!
I’ve heard a few people say that it does. Hopefully they implement it.
You don't need to calibrate the Motion Sensor to get this feature to work.
You can calibrate it if you want, but from my tests there were no differences between clips shot before or after a calibration. All you get is a blue Horizon crosshair after a successful calibration.
Just wanted to let you know that :)
I can't remember whose video it was, but someone on youtube has a video of uncalibrated footage and it's bouncing around all over the place. Maybe it's like the tint on the 6K Pro screen, mine never had the problem but others needed the calibration option to correct the blue/green shift. Can't imagine Blackmagic would got to the effort to include the option if there was no point in having it.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Very interesting! Yeah I'm in no doubts that some cameras will be miscalibrated from the factory or maybe it happens during the update stage, who knows. That calibration must do something, absolutely. But some of the ways people have explained it as the Camera Gyro option won't appear if you don't calibrate the motion sensor first, which is wrong 😅
@@AnotherCameraChannel Ah, okay, I see what you're saying. You have me interested. I'm going to see if I can un-calibrate my camera in some way and test if it makes a difference or not. Just for the fun of it. 😃👍
That does sound like fun actually 😂 I wonder if you’d have to be violently moving the camera during an update or factory reset? 🤔 maybe that’s when it develops it’s initial bearings or if it’s another sensor that could be tampered with with proximity to magnets or electricity
Don’t break your camera though 😅
The 4k has a shorter sensor readout which may introduce less jelly effect and, with a fast shutter, provide better results than the 6k
I find the 4k is better handheld, probably for this very reason, so it would make sense.
I wonder how it works with gimbal movements. Can it remove Z axis bounce? Theoretically it should?
Interested also
There's no reason why it shouldn't work. I'm curious to try it out for myself.
In theory it should but I’m learning that in camera gyro stabilisation is sometimes counterintuitive. You’d need to test it.
Would love to see a comparison to Warp Stabilization in PP
I'll see if I can get one. But I don't use Prem Pro
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw thanks! I've been seeing some glitches with the update so I'm hesitate to update, also. putting off switching to Resolve for as long as possible lol
@@bluebell1571 Yeah, the 18 beta is a little glitchy, but that's to be expected. Resolve in general is great. I've never had any crashers in 17. I have no regrets about switching from PremPro.
I find that any gyro stabilized footage from _any camera with the feature_ has the same issue at 180° shutter angle or the equivalent shutter speed. Makes sense, it's physics, Would be nice if software could go the extra mile and smooth that out somehow given how predictable and similar the resulting behavior is on the sensor. Nice vid.
It would be amazing if they could come up with some clever software fix for the motion blur. How they would do it is beyond my understanding. But I've seen some impressive photoshop style fixes for blurred or out of focus photos, so maybe the is hope that they could work something out.
How do remove the motion blur at 180?
@@johndon7377 you don't. You decrease the shutter angle in an attempt to find the subtle line between too fast and too slow and maintain a decent level of true motion blur while eliminating as much hand motion added blur to every single frame. decreased shutter angle, or increase shutter speed.
honestly your best bet is to shoot at high shutter if you can afford the light loss. you can always introduce motion blue in post with a vector based process. Fusion uses one
Unfortunately, there is a bug in resolve and there is a drift at the beginning of every stabilized clip. At longer focal lengths it makes destabilized footage essentially unusable. It has been acknowledged by BM. As of the 18.5 public beta, the issue still exists.
This is basically the approach of the SteadXP, the hardware/software add-on system. But for basic hand-held stabilization, I still prefer Mercalli.
I've never heard of Mercalli. I'll have to look into that.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw It's the best stabilization software on the market for me. Works perfectly!
@@joaocorreiamedia looks like its windows only tho
Thank you so much for the info, I use a speedbooster and an anamorphic lens. What should I type in the focal lens data field?
Depends. I'd need to know the focal length of the lens and the magnification of the speedbooster.
Well, with all respect, it is unreasonable to expect tripod and gimbal replacement from stabilization, event IBIS is mostly to remove micro jitters and to create pleasant handheld look.
Regarding the motion blur, it seems would work the best with slow motion footage. Thanks, it was interesting.
Gyro is better than IBIS, it just has shutter speed limitations. And IBIS on some cameras is already pretty good, so it's a matter of time we get an uncompromised stabilization of some sort.
@@berkertaskiran yes, there are pretty good, but I don't think it would be uncompromised solutions of any sort. There are always going to be ups and downs and the best tool for the job
I never said I expected it to replace a tripod or gimbal. I said, "could it". There has been a lot of excitement about the introduction of this feature I thought this would be an interesting way to test it out but also show some of its limitations. 👍
@Sergey Kryukov well, with ML technology it might be possible, but doesn't make sense:) In this case the important part is bot to get rid of motion blur, but rather not to make it worse.
@@vladimirkirillovskiy8056 Sure.
I wonder how the stabilized footage would look if shot in a slow motion camera setting and then sped up to normal speed in post?
How would you judge the Black Magic cameras with the post stabilization and a camera with In in-body image stabilization?
Thanks for an excellent review.
Interesting idea. I’m not sure. My instinct is it would have the same problems but I could easily be wrong. I think good IBIS is probably better because it is stopping the problem from happening rather than fixing it after it has happened. But depends on how good it is.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Thanks for the reply. I like your channel.
@@RobertShaverOfAustin No problem, thanks mate.
That was some bloody good info....i lile the shutter speed solution and the calibration info cheers
Thanks, mate. I'm glad you got something from it.
Sony is doing this too with their catalyst software. It is painfully slow. But they are capturing this data too. I wonder if Resolve will be able to use this info too? It could be the future. Go Pro and Insta360 make some incredible footage natively using this reframe technique.
I think it probably is the future - look at mobile phones as well. Gyro stabilisation in resolve is pretty fast
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw i will keep fingers crossed it will be offered for sony too. Or just some of this tech trickles into stabilize.
Do you think it works if I use a lens with image stabilization like the sigma 17-50 OS with speedbooster?
I don't think it will work. I only have one stabilized lens and having stabilisation turned on and using the gryo stabilisation makes the image more jittery not less. I would guess this is because the camera doesn't know that the lens is correcting the jitters and the camera gyro is recording what is happening in the camera body. You'd probably be better using one of the other stabilization setting in resolve where it actually looks and analyses the image and then corrects it based on that.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Yeah, you're right - I don't know if it will change in the future (or if it's even possible to know what that's doing), but currently you should disable lens stabilisation if you want to use gyro stabilisation
You should disable. Gyro record camera motion, if lens stabilize in different direction camera cannot know, lens cannot communicate Stabilization data to camera, then resolve when try to stabilize footage if go in the opposite direction of lens instead to stabilize enhance the motion jitter. On 4K I read somewhere that stabilizer should be disable, on 6k is I enable lens stabilizer camera not record gyro datas or… resolve when see that not enable gyro stabilization on that footage. I use resolve 18b6
the gyro wont work with speed boosters at all. and using a lens optical stabilizer defeats the gyro and it wont work either
@@flipnap2112 oh so sad, i not use often speedbooster, but...
Does the stabilisation work on premier or after effects?
No. It only works in Davinci Resolve
Hey :)
So the solution was to put the shutter speed up ?
Yes
The color is great what is your workflow
For this I just turned on the rec709 LUT that's embedded in the Braw file and then slapped on the Modobytes free LUT. You can get it from the link in his video here ruclips.net/video/Zd-MmOJ4aRE/видео.html
Does it work on all braw modes? I have braw full hd file (crop mode), 5:1 comp and there is no gyro stab function in Resolve. But when i tested with 4k file everything was ok.
Interesting. I don’t know. Ill have to test it.
Was slightly unnerved by your accent delivery and twittering bird soundtrack I thought I was watching an episode of countryfile. That said you exposed the issues that qualifies the excitement about this feature and you were surprisingly thorough. It just goes to show that regional accents can be misleading and still have a received sensibility. It was a bit like listening to test match special or the snooker. I really thought I’d know better. Apologies but thanks.
🤣 Thanks, Ken. I appreciate the feed back. I was considering using a pumping Drum & Bass soundtrack instead of the birdsong but somehow it just didn't seem to fit. Out of interest, where do you think my regional accent is from?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw for some reason I thought Yorkshire. Also it could be the close mic but you sound a lot older in vo than you appear. Prejudicially old! It’s a sign of the times that the received youtuber content creator is a twenty something Canadian on a one wheel. I know it’s nonsense but for anyone putting out content these perceptions are strangely pervasive even for those of us who completely disagree with their validity. Btw I didn’t intend my comments to be a criticism in any way. More power to your elbow.
@@ChristopherMichaelLawlol
@@KenFlanagan No criticism taken, Ken. It's fascinating to find out what people think. I'm from the Wirral. In person people outside the area think I'm from Liverpool. Even people in Chester, which is only 10mins down the road, but most Scousers can recognise I'm not truly from the city. It's interesting to see if that come across in the videos. Anyway, I'm off to order a One Wheel and capture that youth market.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Dude get yourself a flat cap whippet and a huge double barrel Purdey and threaten to come round to each and every subscriber for a cup of tea if they don't hit the like button. Great to see you have a sense of humour. Let that flow. Good luck with everything. Thanks for taking the time to reply. You tube needs more regional diversity.
How good would the stabilisation be on a Canon EF 70-200? I'm assuming lenses with longer focal lengths would need more stabilization?
I'm not sure how I can quantify in words how good it would be, but you're right that the longer the lens, the more stabilisation it will need. All depends on how stabile the footage is to begin with. If I was handheld shooting at 200mm it would be unusable even with gyro stabilisation.
I would think the longer the lens the better of with onboard optical stabilizers. you can always try it though. just input the lens info to the camera first
Does anyone know lenses that I can use with my Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k Pro that are compatible with the Blackmagic zoom and focus demand attachments? I have found no info online about it
Unfortunately, I don't. Hopefully someone else here will know.
I run the Bluetooth+ App on my iPhone. I can wireless control the Sigma Art 18-35 f1.8 as well as the Canon 50mm f1.8 and some Canon L Series lenses that I’ve laying around. In principle this must be the same metadata that the Focus Demand can handle, just with the USB protocol and not over Bluetooth.
Try a Canon 24 - 70 mm L series. Works for me.
@@torgejoris9713 you are the best thank you so much
@@einarbakkerud3742 thank you so much youre the best
Great video, very thorough!
Much appreciated, mate.
So, in Prores file format camera will not record gyro data only BRAW ?
Yes, it only works in BRAW
Thank you, this is great info!
Glad you found it useful mate.
If you’re shooting in daylight you should shoot in slomo. You need to give the software as many frames as possible so it’s guessing less with interpolation.
1. But what if you don't want your footage in slow-motion?
2. Is anything being interpolated? If the software is using the gyro data from the camera what is it guessing? Genuine question.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw if you don’t want it in slomo then speed it up after. I’ve always shot slomo on shots I felt would have to be stabilized after.
I rarely get excited about software tricks supposed to solve problems that should have been preemptively solved while shooting.
Ah, but life can get in the way. I'm up for all the tricks I can find.
@@northillvideo Agreed
Yeah, never a good idea to wait and "fix it in post"
I wonder if this will work with Sony's gyro data as well. this is huge!
Not at the moment because it’s using metadata that’s saved within BRAW. Maybe Blackmagic will open it up in the future but it probably has more to do with If Sony will let them.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw a pitty
The result of the stabilisation effort looks much like those of FCP's own offer, (if they yield the same result), it would just be an extra hassle.
If you're editing in FCP and not Davinci then that's probably right.
Hey Nice Video,
Still my 6k or 4 K are miles away from Panasonic S5 IBIS...even with 5.9K braw VLOG with Blackmagic assist I don't need a Gimbal and thé footage look much better handheld vs BMPCC6K...
S5 BRAW Vlog is top!
Thanks for sharing. I've never used the Panasonic S5 but I understand that all Panasonics have good IBIS. And it's great you can get Braw over the hdmi.
@@BlueKoastrecords V log is the log profile Braw is the recording format...
Blackmagic use on 4K 6K "Gen5 Film" log profile and it is as well .braw file
@@filipmichalsaffray441 “S5 BRAW Vlog” -> that doesn’t exist. The S5 does not support BRAW, only Blackmagic cameras.
@@friedpicklezzz Dude Black Magic Video Assist 12G support it I own one Vlog is the log profile encoded in Braw which is not a true raw codec but everyone knows it...raw over HDMI connection
@@filipmichalsaffray441 Yup, you're right. I personally use Vlog in Prores Raw since I already had the Ninja V from Atomos when I got the S5, but you definitely can shoot Vlog in BRAW as well if you use the 12G from Black Magic. So yeah, it does exist and has for awhile now. Lots of cameras has the option to shoot log in BRAW nowadays.
It seems as though it would be more effective
to stabilise the footage with video editing software if you don't use a gimbal.
The way to think of it is as one more option for post stabilisation. It wont always be the right one.
I need 8k or 12k mirrorless camera with builtin nd filters with new sensor of ursa12k... i'm waiting for it to buy ... please make it
Get me one, too 😂
I dont think our bank account is ready ha ha..
Does bmpcc4k produce a stabilized video immediately on camera or you need to apply something in editing software?
You need to apply the gyro stabilisation in Davinci Resolve
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw And did you need apply something else in camera settings before davinci resolve?
@@the-entertainment477 If you use a lens without electronic contacts you need to input the focal length of the lens. The video will explain some other best practices to get the most from it.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Thank you. Most time I shoot 60 fps. And I use 1/120 . So what the best shutter angle for 60fps?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Did you mean "a lens without electronic contacts" is a manual lens without autofocus?
thanks! for coming up with solution as well
No problem!
But how do we actually use it mate
Thanks for the video. You can improve stabilization but not replace a gimbal.
Very well done!
Thank you mate
You spelled stabilized wrong but other than that, great video! Definetly will use gyro
My bad
I have two BMPCC4k. One of my pocket 4K's refuses to calibrate, and both of them don't seem to record the gyro data. Very annoying. Don't know what to do.
Yes, I've updated my camera and my davinci
Sounds very frustrating. The only thing I can think is to do a factory reset and then reinstall the latest firmware. I know this is a silly question but you're shooting in Braw?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw yes Braw, definitely. I have tried resetting the camera under settings-setup, but it only seems to do a very superficial camera reboot. The same new firmware is still there.
@@Nicdehouwer Very strange. The only thing I can think is to install one of the older firmwares like 7.1 (the should still be available on the BM website if you scroll back far enough. Then re-install the latest one. See if that kickstarts something. If not, I'd contact Blackmagic support about it. They are normally pretty good. Maybe they can shed some light. Did you buy your cameras at the same time, are they part of the same batch?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw no, the one that refuses to calibrate is by far the newer one.. :( I live in Belgium so I don't know if there's anything like a proper Blackmagic Support.
@@Nicdehouwer The is a new camera 7.9.1 update out today. If that doesn't help I'd try the Blackmagic support on their website - try the US or UK one if there isn't a EU one.
The "camera lock" box goes gray with this option?
Yes. You can't use the camera lock option.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw oh.... Everybody talking about the TRIPOD like "problem" got me thinking its unavailable...Thanks!
You are awesome man
You are!
You’re on the Wirral! Thurstaston.
Correct.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Im from the North West - I new it was a Merseyside accent (i know the Wirral isnt Merseyside but you know what I mean) 😆
@@markshirley01 Some people have said I sound like I'm from Yorkshire. 🤷
Does it work only when recording in BRAW?
Yes. Only in BRAW.
So this only works if you shoot RAW not with 422 footage?
Correct. Only in BRAW
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw thanks
check gyroflow, they should add BMPCC very soon.
Yeah, a few people have mentioned it. Looks interesting for sure.
it's not better than gimbal, because it needs cropping of the picture, i.e. losing quality and messing the shot composition
Yep
I plan on testing it with some "unholy trinity" stabilizer footage. Stabilize the stabilized data, if you will.
Will be interesting to see the outcome of that.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Indeed! Even with all that mechanical stabilization, there are, still, some minor bumps and grinds!!
Cheers!
it works quite well. software stabilization has to overwork on handheld jitters. youre trying to do multiple things in one pass. The gyro stab is more of a steadicam, or IBIS approach, then software stab will run the smoothing algorithms. just do a gyro, pre render or bake.. then run the software. it looks quite nice
@@flipnap2112 Thanks, I just upgraded to Resolve 18!
Let the smooth begin!!
@@gssg2010 good deal. And I dont know your level of need, but you should really start looking into fusion. I understand it seems alien to people who are used to layered editing, but if you start small with tiny bites you'll find it to be so powerful you'll get addicted. node based work is where its at. have fun and make great work out there!
Does it work with BMPCC4k?
Yes
but not with speed boosters
there is only one word why it wont work rolling shutter mate
That's two words 😂
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw still wont work even with two words.
@@RomanRuetten show you didn’t watch the whole video, without saying you didn’t watch the whole video.
Sounds/looks identical to what Sony has been trying to implement on their newer cameras.
Yes, very much like what Sony is doing. From what I hear it works faster than Sony’s way of doing it, though.
ive U need some Tipps about invisible Audio-Capturing...pls mail me..;-)
interesting video and practical application showing the horrible motion blur effects. The BMPCC is really not suited for handheld operation, and not practical with a gimbal. And this gyro stabilisation can be interesting to explore, but all the actual footage from other gyroscopic systems like Sony or with electronic stabilisation is actually hard to use due to the motion blur artefacts that look so weird on the stabilised footage. So, maybe having a very quick shutter speed can be a way to go.
A faster shutter helps but you can always get motion blur if you move faster that the shutter.
Has somebody tried Gyroflow? 🤔
No, I haven't. Have you?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw no, as I am a Sony user, I can’t try out it myself, but looks promising as that software has some damn good results with gopros and many other cameras. If the BMPCC are exporting gyro metadata in the archives with this update is a nice thing to try!
@@bvisuals6295 Yeah, unfortunately I don't think we can get at the gyro data in the BRAW yet (I could be wrong) but if they open that up, who knows what is possible.
👍
The answer is NEVER to shoot at a faster "Shuttah" speed.
My gosh my man! My handheld stuff looks like your stabilized footage. You need to learn some better handheld techniques!!
We can't all be as amazing as you, Steven. 🤣
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw rereading that, It maybe came out wrong! Wasn’t trying to bash you! But if I could give you a suggestion, add some weight to your camera or use 3 points of contact and move your body, not hands!
@@stevendukedesigns Fair enough. I deliberately tried not to reduce shake in the test shots to see just how good the gyro stabilisation is or isn't. Most people watch on their phone, so I wanted to try and produce the biggest contrast to make it visible how much work the stabilisation is doing. I used the camera bare bones and picked a focal length that would start to show the hand shakes without being too long to get establishing style shots. I agree with your advice on handheld shooting and I would try my best to get the steadiest footage normally. 👍
IBIS IS the best
Maybe. Canon have had some trouble with it in their latest cameras. Panasonic seem to do a good job.
oddly I know quite a few people who wont touch it. even optical in lens. I personally think its an amazing piece of tech for run n gun and general shooting. anything that gets us closer to a good result im down with.. including the gyro stabilization here.
@@flipnap2112 Aye, it's all about the right tool for the job. It's knowing when to use what that's the hard part.
these cameras just seem like you need to do wayyy too much work to just make them on point. I've never liked the BMPCC line. Great concept, too much tinkering to get the camera to just produce
You’re right about tinkering. For some people it’s worth the effort, for others it’s the wrong camera. Depends what you’re filming.
just doesn't not cut it
sony stabilization is the real deal
IBIS is IBIS for the most part.
um those stabilised shots would be unusable in a film with inside a moving car for example. damn. no thanks
Yes, it’s far from perfect. Need to plan and test in advance before using it for anything important.
gamechanging
"Handheld shootink"
No thanks to the BMPCC gyro. Anything that interferes with image quality is summarily OUT.
Just use a gimbal its not worth the effort to do all that in post. If you can afford a BMPCC and all the gear you need to buy along with it to shoot video then you can afford a gimbal. I can't afford a BMPCC but i have a gimbal. I'm using a 750$ Sony ZV-1 and a Zhiyun Crane that i bought off of FB marketplace for 75$. For the price its literally the cheapest accessory you can buy for that camera. You can pick up a gimbal for less then the cost of a replacement battery lol.
I agree, it’s not very practical and for most things far to much fuss. A lot of gimbals don’t work with the pocket cameras become they’re a strange shape/size. You need to buy counter weights to balance them so I can understand why people wanted the feature.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw A BMPCC is not really a pocket camera. That thing is not fitting in anyones pocket lol. And it would easily balance on probably every full size camera gimbal. in body stabilization is not a common feature and is really a unrealistic expectation unless you shoot on action cameras. Especially in cinema style cameras. I can't buy the fact that people think a gimbal is too much effort or a pain. A BMPCC is not exactly a point and shoot. Odds are rigging up a few components so how much extra work is needed to balance it on a gimbal.
Sorry man, but this is not better than a gimble, this is not work !!!!
No need to be sorry, because I never said it is better than a gimbal.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw sorry again, I was just answering the question in the thumbnail of your video!
unusable. use the gilmbal
What an incredible useless video. Sorry to say. We know what stabilization is and isn't. Stabilization has never worked and isn't intended to replace a tripod! Not in-camera stabilization (of the sensor) not digital stabilization, not LENS stabilization, and also not gyrodata stabilization. Why compare this gyrodata stab. in particular to gimbals, tripods and so forth? Maybe compare it to other kinds of stabilization. That would be interesting. Else you could just name the video what you can and cannot expect of stabilization in general. Nothing new.
Sorry, Tom! Didn't realise the world revolved around you. Must be great to be able to speak for everyone with statements like "We know what stabilization is and isn't." - not at all pompous.
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw theres always one Chris 😆👍
Its an entry level camera (into the 6k world) with post production updates. Anyone that can afford this camera SHOULD have upgraded to lenses with IS and purchased a gimbal prior. The reality is that for an entry level camera from any corporation, you will NOT get the top tier hardware or software options. I shoot mostly B roll, interviews, documentation work. If I want Netflix quality production, I have no business looking at anything with words like "pocket" or "pro" in the name.
I don’t understand what relevance your statement has to the video.
davinci resolve is not a top tier software option? or do you mean in camera? what in camera options are not "top tier." Also, you do realize most "Netflix production" cameras dont use IBIS or stabilized lenses right?
@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Don't worry about it. I'm a nobody. Carry on.
@@flipnap2112 Yes I realize that Netflix (or any large scale production studio or accredited DP) cameras are usually Prime lenses that cost over 10k and sit on bodies and rigs over 40-200k mSRP. Yes, I realize this. Davinci Resolve IS an industry leader in editing ( I never said it wasn't), but what they've done is relatively new to the industry- to provide a camera AND software to edit and (last time I checked) a dedicated video editor hardware bundle.Avid didn't even provide this much in its prime. Im talking about the camera itself and what it represents. Its entry level into the 6k world. It's designed to usher in new investment buyers (indie production people that will one day grow into established producers). IThe camera is a godsend for the smaller budget, but what Ive found is that most people looking at this camera (and all other before it) want it ALL. And we have seen Canon, Sony, etc give budget DPs a few things in one camera, but never everything. This method cuts back on product cannibalization- something that Canon learned the hard way with the first XL1 back in the early 2000s. Same with the DAT recorders and what Avid did to itself with the lower-end Avid software (costs 2,500) versus the Avid system (which costs 50K).
@@matthewthomasart I wasn't trying to dismiss you, mate. I'm just not understanding.
Not useful for 24p narrative work. The shutter angle change needs just won't fly.
Yup, agreed.